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Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by dalaman: 2:26pm On Dec 17, 2016
damogul:



When did man begin learning how to communicate with whales or dolphins. Do you even know science?

Quorum sensing: cell-to-cell communication in bacteria. Bacteria communicate with one another using chemical signal molecules. As in higher organisms, the information supplied by these molecules is critical for synchronizing the activities of large groups of cells.

Yet you say bacteria cannot communicate because it has no brain right?

Will you stop shootin blanks and telling lies? Where did I say a bacteria can not communicate? Pls show me. I said a bacteria doesn't have a brain as such it can't communicate with a human being. You clined some.people said we can not communicate with Dolphins. Who are the people that made that claim.or were you lying as usual? Bacateria do communicate with each other. But they can't comuinicate with humans because of so many limitations. If you know how they can communicate with humans just tell us.
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by damogul: 2:26pm On Dec 17, 2016
Dalaman can bacteria still not communicate and is it still primitive?
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by Nobody: 2:27pm On Dec 17, 2016
Deicide:
Oh boy Now am You and also NinjaX cool

lol no mind them
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by damogul: 2:30pm On Dec 17, 2016
dalaman:


Will you stop shootin blanks and telling lies? Where did I say a bacteria can not communicate? Pls show me. I said a bacteria doesn't have a brain as such it can't communicate with a human being. You clined some.people said we can not communicate with Dolphins. Who are the people that made that claim.or were you lying is usual?

Goalpost shifting

Research about whale and dolphin communication began as late as in the 2000s but concrete understanding was established in 2006 or so. Before then as far back as the 1900s till when research began nobody could communicate or even thought it was possible to achieve. Google is your friend.

Bacteria can communicate and they communicate same way ants communicate by excreting chemicals so ye such chemicals can be extracted and used to trigger communication when applied from man to bacteria. Do i need to school you?

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Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by Nobody: 2:30pm On Dec 17, 2016
damogul:


Oga you need a crash course in English about what a CLAIM is. ANYONE WHO SAYS GOD DOES NOT EXIST has made a claim. The next logical question would be...HOW DID YOU FIND THIS OUT? OR HOW DID YOU ARRIVE AT THIS CONCLUSION.

If an atheist lacks belief due to lack of sufficient proof this means they still need proof so why jump to the conclusion that there is no God or God does not exist when there are still myriads of proof yet to be seen? Are you confused?

Good one
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by felixomor: 2:31pm On Dec 17, 2016
damogul:


Goalpost shifting

Research about whale and dolphin communication began as late as in the 2000s but concrete understanding was established in 2006 or so. Before then as far back as the 1900s till when research began nobody could communicate or even thought it was possible to achieve. Google is your friend.

Bacteria can communicate and they communicate same way ants communicate by excreting chemicals so ye such chemicals can be extracted and used to trigger communication when applied from man to bacteria. Do i need to school you?

Please do.
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by dalaman: 2:32pm On Dec 17, 2016
damogul:
Dalaman can bacteria still not communicate and is it still primitive?

Where did I claim that bacteria can not communicate? I said it can not communicate with man. It is a primitive organism. Do you communicate with God as you have claimed many times?

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Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by Deicide: 2:32pm On Dec 17, 2016
damogul:


Small boy who thinks himself smart. NinjaX and Blackbolt well done. Keep logging out and back in with different monikers
I love Tomhagan he Is more Good at this Detective job It seams like the Holy spirit guildes him more than he does you or who knows it might just be common sense..... And just because you do it loging with all your 10+ accounts in one thread and answering yourself, doesnt mean others do it to!

Remember not Everyone is like You!
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by damogul: 2:32pm On Dec 17, 2016
Blackbolt:

lol no mind them

kids
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by LiberaDeus: 2:33pm On Dec 17, 2016
PDBonline:
LiberaDeus, jonbellion if you are agnostic and you are here, you created the confusion because the title is clear.

Nevertheless if you have a claim that it is not possible to know whether or not God exist, you may want to provide the same Scientific proof of how you arrived at that believe. It's the same as you've asked theists.

I have previously stated that lack of capacity to know on your part doesn't equal impossibility. And you cannot call other people's personal experiences as false because you don't believe it. You don't believe it is different from it is not true or it is not reliable.


I never your called your personal experience false.
Your personal experience is real very very real. But if it can't affect me then it is just subjective to you.

There is a difference between saying you have a burning feeling in your stomach and claiming that fire is burning on your stomach.
If you have a burning feeling then it is your feeling and I understand that and you understand that I do, we know it can be caused by so many things and i can also experience that burning feeling too.

But when you claim that real fire is burning your stomach now. Not a feeling but real flames then there must be an effect on the surrounding environments especially if I am around you. If you claim something is real and it can't affect reality in any way then it is only real to you and you alone.

I don't just choose to disbelieve or believe your personal experiences. I reject them as my truth because they do not alter reality only when I believe them. Your experiences are based on faith and faith alone.

I don't choose to believe. That's what I used to do when I was a Christian. Choosing to believe in something.
The reasonable thing is to accept something as fact because of incontrovertible evidence that can't be denied.

Stop claiming that we lack capacity to know. Any one can claim that for any false and fraudulent claim. Its also not my fault that you lack capacity to know that there is a pink unicorn flying over Lagos now. Inability to know does not equal impossibility as you claim so don't disbelieve the fact that there is a pink unicorn over Lagos now.

Don't you think it is outright arrogance for you to claim that a finite human being like you claims to know and have a relationship with the creator of a universe that spans over a trillion trillion miles in diameter.
It is very arrogant for you to claim to know what mankind has sought over thousands of years and still not provide an iota of objective proof that would not depend on blind faith.

Can't you see that faith is mental weakness. With faith, all things can be true and proven and all things can be false and disproved too.
In your world anything is possible, any and everything that happens to be mentioned in your holy book is elevated as fact no matter how absurd it sounds.
In my world, fact and truth must be strong enough to be undeniable . I don't believe in cheap facts or truth that are elevated in your mind because you helped it to become true by denying every contradiction and using blind faith.

Am still waiting for when you will dedicate a thread to show how your god is the one true god out of all the god concepts

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Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by Deicide: 2:34pm On Dec 17, 2016
felixomor:


Please do.
He has already done that... To bad your brain is located at You Ass grin
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by damogul: 2:36pm On Dec 17, 2016
dalaman:


Where did I claim that bacteria can not communicate? I said it can not communicate with man. It is a primitive organism. Do you communicate with God as you have claimed many times?

I have already shown you how you idea of bacteria being primitive is wrong. Are ants primitive? Is communication via a complex method as using chemicals and having chemical receptors primitive? Must all communication be in words to be modern?

Back to the topic. Can yu show us your tangible proof to your claim that gods are man made ideas in every tribe, clan, community, hamlet, state, nation.

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Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by felixomor: 2:36pm On Dec 17, 2016
Deicide:

He has already done that... To bad your brain is located at You Ass grin

Always talking before thinking.
Nothing new, as usual.
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by damogul: 2:37pm On Dec 17, 2016
Deicide:

I love Tomhagan he Is more Good at this Detective job It seams like the Holy spirit guildes him more than he does you or who knows it might just be common sense..... And just because you do it loging with all your 10+ accounts in one thread and answering yourself, doesnt mean others do it to!

Remember not Everyone is like You!

Keep deceiving yourself. You have been caught read handed. Deicide, eyehategod, blackbolt, ninjaX, fsms, pastafarians.
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by felixomor: 2:38pm On Dec 17, 2016
damogul:


Keep deceiving yourself. You have been caught read handed. Deicide, eyehategod, blackbolt, ninjaX, fsms, pastafarians.

cheesy
Multiple Moniker Mania

MMM

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Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by damogul: 2:39pm On Dec 17, 2016
LiberaDeus:



I never your called your personal experience false.
Your personal experience is real very very real. But if it can't affect me then it is just subjective to you.

There is a difference between saying you have a burning feeling in your stomach and claiming that fire is burning on your stomach.
If you have a burning feeling then it is your feeling and I understand that and you understand that I do, we know it can be caused by so many things and i can also experience that burning feeling too.

But when you claim that real fire is burning your stomach now. Not a feeling but real flames then there must be an effect on the surrounding environments especially if I am around you. If you claim something is real and it can't affect reality in any way then it is only real to you and you alone.

I don't just choose to disbelieve or believe your personal experiences. I reject them as my truth because they do not alter reality only when I believe them. Your experiences are based on faith and faith alone.

I don't choose to believe. That's what I used to do when I was a Christian. Choosing to believe in something.
The reasonable thing is to accept something as fact because of incontrovertible evidence that can't be denied.

Stop claiming that we lack capacity to know. Any one can claim that for any false and fraudulent claim. Its also not my fault that you lack capacity to know that there is a pink unicorn flying over Lagos now. Inability to know does not equal impossibility as you claim so don't disbelieve the fact that there is a pink unicorn over Lagos now.

Don't you think it is outright arrogance for you to claim that a finite human being like you claims to know and have a relationship with the creator of a universe that spans over a trillion trillion miles in diameter.
It is very arrogant for you to claim to know what mankind has sought over thousands of years and still not provide an iota of objective proof that would not depend on blind faith.

Can't you see that faith is mental weakness. With faith, all things can be true and proven and all things can be false and disproved too.
In your world anything is possible, any and everything that happens to be mentioned in your holy book is elevated as fact no matter how absurd it sounds.
In my world, fact and truth must be strong enough to be undeniable . I don't believe in cheap facts or truth that are elevated in your mind because you helped it to become true by denying every contradiction and using blind faith.

Am still waiting for when you will dedicate a thread to show how your god is the one true god out of all the god concepts


Since you know this thread is not about the bolded why are you trying to derail it? When that thread is opened then you can grace it. Until then stop derailing this one.

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Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by dalaman: 2:39pm On Dec 17, 2016
damogul:


Goalpost shifting

Research about whale and dolphin communication began as late as in the 2000s but concrete understanding was established in 2006 or so. Before then as far back as the 1900s till when research began nobody could communicate or even thought it was possible to achieve. Google is your friend.

Bacteria can communicate and they communicate same way ants communicate by excreting chemicals so ye such chemicals can be extracted and used to trigger communication when applied from man to bacteria. Do i need to school you?

It is a lie, you are lying. Bacteria do communicate with each the and their communication is very primitive. It is mainly done to know size and distance between each other. They can not communicate with human beings the way a dolphin or a dog can because of their primitiveness.
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by Pastafarian: 2:42pm On Dec 17, 2016
Everyone on this thread should listen to Liberadeus, he's speaking with unadulterated sense
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by Deicide: 2:42pm On Dec 17, 2016
felixomor:


Always talking before thinking.
Nothing new, as usual.
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by randomperson: 2:43pm On Dec 17, 2016
This thing is so obvious and straight forward, it's painful it has to be pointed out... A major principle of procedural law is that the burden of proof is on he who asserts not he who denies... It never happens that you asked to prove the negative
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by Deicide: 2:44pm On Dec 17, 2016
damogul:


Keep deceiving yourself. You have been caught read handed. Deicide, eyehategod, blackbolt, ninjaX, fsms, pastafarians.
Cam you Prove This?

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Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by damogul: 2:44pm On Dec 17, 2016
dalaman:


It is a lie, you are lying. Bacteria do communicate with each the and their communication is very primitive. It is mainly done to know size and distance between each other. They can not communicate with human beings the way a dolphin or a dog can because of their primitiveness.

Do you know how ridiculous you sound? You speak with so much certainty without any research or proof to back that up with.

Have you tried communicating with bacteria using their method of communication and failed before?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16212498


Bacteria communicate with one another using chemical signal molecules. As in higher organisms, the information supplied by these molecules is critical for synchronizing the activities of large groups of cells. In bacteria, chemical communication involves producing, releasing, detecting, and responding to small hormone-like molecules termed autoinducers . This process, termed quorum sensing, allows bacteria to monitor the environment for other bacteria and to alter behavior on a population-wide scale in response to changes in the number and/or species present in a community. Most quorum-sensing-controlled processes are unproductive when undertaken by an individual bacterium acting alone but become beneficial when carried out simultaneously by a large number of cells. Thus, quorum sensing confuses the distinction between prokaryotes and eukaryotes because it enables bacteria to act as multicellular organisms. This review focuses on the architectures of bacterial chemical communication networks; how chemical information is integrated, processed, and transduced to control gene expression; how intra- and interspecies cell-cell communication is accomplished; and the intriguing possibility of prokaryote-eukaryote cross-communication.

Do you call what i highlighted primitive?

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Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by LiberaDeus: 2:44pm On Dec 17, 2016
damogul:
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Since you know this thread is not about the bolded why are you trying to derail it? When that thread is opened then you can grace it. Until then stop derailing this one.



You just dey scatter vex everywhere. Behave more like your christ please
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by Deicide: 2:45pm On Dec 17, 2016
Pastafarian:
Everyone on this thread should listen to Liberadeus, he's speaking with unadulterated sense
Yeah that Guy is Good and also very Knowledgeable grin
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by dalaman: 2:45pm On Dec 17, 2016
damogul:


I have already shown you how you idea of bacteria being primitive is wrong. Are ants primitive? Is communication via a complex method as using chemicals and having chemical receptors primitive? Must all communication be in words to be modern?

Back to the topic. Can yu show us your tangible proof to your claim that gods are man made ideas in every tribe, clan, community, hamlet, state, nation.

Bacteria is a primitive organism. Their mode of communication with each other is primitive and basic. They don't engage in complex communication.

Gods are man made ideal that is why most clans have invented their own Gods. The one you worshiped was once known as Yahwah the God of the Jews before he later evolved to the God of everybody through actions and inputs of men. Answer my question. Do you still communicate with God?

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Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by damogul: 2:47pm On Dec 17, 2016
randomperson:
This thing is so obvious and straight forward, it's painful it has to be pointed out... A major principle of procedural law is that the burden of proof is on he who asserts not he who denies... It never happens that you asked to prove the negative

So if i accuse you of murder and a witness comes and says you were not involved would he not be asked to state his reasons for trying to declare you innocent?

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Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by Deicide: 2:47pm On Dec 17, 2016
damogul:


Do you know how ridiculous you sound? You speak with so much certainty without any research or proof to back that up with.

Have you tried communicating with bacteria using their method of communication and failed before?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16212498


Bacteria communicate with one another using chemical signal molecules. As in higher organisms, the information supplied by these molecules is critical for synchronizing the activities of large groups of cells. In bacteria, chemical communication involves producing, releasing, detecting, and responding to small hormone-like molecules termed autoinducers . This process, termed quorum sensing, allows bacteria to monitor the environment for other bacteria and to alter behavior on a population-wide scale in response to changes in the number and/or species present in a community. Most quorum-sensing-controlled processes are unproductive when undertaken by an individual bacterium acting alone but become beneficial when carried out simultaneously by a large number of cells. Thus, quorum sensing confuses the distinction between prokaryotes and eukaryotes because it enables bacteria to act as multicellular organisms. This review focuses on the architectures of bacterial chemical communication networks; how chemical information is integrated, processed, and transduced to control gene expression; how intra- and interspecies cell-cell communication is accomplished; and the intriguing possibility of prokaryote-eukaryote cross-communication.

Do you call what i highlighted primitive?
This only Explains How bacteria communicate With themselves na
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by damogul: 2:47pm On Dec 17, 2016
LiberaDeus:


You just dey scatter vex everywhere. Behave more like your christ please

You know i speak the truth. You know this thread is specific but you just want to be naughty.
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by dalaman: 2:48pm On Dec 17, 2016
damogul:


Do you know how ridiculous you sound? You speak with so much certainty without any research or proof to back that up with.

Have you tried communicating with bacteria using their method of communication and failed before?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16212498


Bacteria communicate with one another using chemical signal molecules. As in higher organisms, the information supplied by these molecules is critical for synchronizing the activities of large groups of cells. In bacteria, chemical communication involves producing, releasing, detecting, and responding to small hormone-like molecules termed autoinducers . This process, termed quorum sensing, allows bacteria to monitor the environment for other bacteria and to alter behavior on a population-wide scale in response to changes in the number and/or species present in a community. Most quorum-sensing-controlled processes are unproductive when undertaken by an individual bacterium acting alone but become beneficial when carried out simultaneously by a large number of cells. Thus, quorum sensing confuses the distinction between prokaryotes and eukaryotes because it enables bacteria to act as multicellular organisms. This review focuses on the architectures of bacterial chemical communication networks; how chemical information is integrated, processed, and transduced to control gene expression; how intra- and interspecies cell-cell communication is accomplished; and the intriguing possibility of prokaryote-eukaryote cross-communication.

Do you call what i highlighted primitive?

Where does it state that they communicate with humans. That is what we are talking about. Try and understand the context of primitive in science. Bacteria are primitive organisms scientifically speaking.

Now back to the topic do you communicate with God?
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by felixomor: 2:50pm On Dec 17, 2016
dalaman:


It is a lie, you are lying. Bacteria do communicate with each the and their communication is very primitive. It is mainly done to know size and distance between each other. They can not communicate with human beings the way a dolphin or a dog can because of their primitiveness.

Guy you have already dodged the question.
We have all seen it.
What u r doing now is what all atheist here do.
Major on the minor and keep the argument long.

However the case,
There is no method on earth a spirit can reaveal himself to humans that God has not used in communicating with man.
He has used all the methods.
You can only but pretend by throwing mud all around.

And to remind u that if u say in ur mind that God does not exist, its as good as a bacterium saying humans dont exist.
Wether such bacteria gets to see the proof or not, it doesnt change the fact.
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by damogul: 2:50pm On Dec 17, 2016
dalaman:


Bacteria is a primitive organism. Their mode of communication with each other is primitive and basic. They don't engage in complex communication.

Gods are man made ideal that is why most clans have invented their own Gods. The one you worshiped was once known as Yahwah the God of the Jews before he later evolved to the God of everybody through actions and inputs of men. Answer my question. Do you still communicate with God?


Its obvious you have no proof and are just dodging bullets everywhere.

Do you know how complex chemical communication is? Even something as simple as testosterone interpretation or estrogene is way too complex to even understand and here you say bacteria is primitive.

Show us your proof to your claim and stop dodging.

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Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by damogul: 2:53pm On Dec 17, 2016
dalaman:


Where does it state that they communicate with humans. That is what we are talking about. Try and understand the context of primitive in science. Bacteria are primitive organisms scientifically speaking.

Now back to the topic do you communicate with God?

Oga was man communicating with whales or dolphins before? Did they think it possible before? If you wish to communicate with another then you speak their language. Man has been able to deduce through frequency what a whale or dolphin is trying to say when they make certain sounds and have recorded these sounds and use them to communicate with these sea creatures.

Are you saying man cannot extract the chemicals in bacteria and use it to control their behavioral patterns via communication? Are you admitting that science is LIMITED?

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