AnonyNymous:

That is correct- and that is what you see them doing on here. Providing reasons why they thing the bible is illogical, therefore their rejection of Christianity. However, I am yet to see an atheist on here explicitly state "THERE IS NO GOD". If anyone does so, the burden of proof is on him.


Yes. Proof is subjective. Its also heavily influenced by personal experiences. Thats why we have different religions. Normally, proof (in science) should be objective- that can be there for anyone to see irregardless of their religion, and that's what atheists are asking for. But the problem is, religion is an art, not a science, and therefore there are many perspectives through which events can be seen. Religion is like philosophy, and your opinion/religion depends on your own personal experiences. Which is why I find arguing with the religious futile. They're grasping on to the elephant's tail, while I'm touching the elephant's body. The atheist, on the other hand, is touching one of the tusks, and asking for a picture as proof from both of us- forgetting that we are all blind.

damogul:


Are you sure you are yet to see the bolded? Want to take a poll?

ScepticalPyrrho:
@PDBonline.

Read below to see who is shifting the burden of proof.

@KingEbukasBlog why don't you tell dis man that we've gone past this a long time ago.

The meaning of Atheists are not the claimant.

The lack believe because of lack of proofs!

Why are doing this all over again. It's exhausting.

damogul:


On the contrary its not my responsibility. I HAVE COME TO KNOW WHAT YOU DO NOT KNOW yet you who DO NOT KNOW SEEMS TO THINK YOU KNOW MORE THAN I DO WHEN YOU SAY YOU ARE SURE THE GOD WHOM YOU DO NOT KNOW CANNOT BE YAHWEH.

So its either you are weighed down by gross confusion or you are on the precipice of mental strangulation or you have somehow seen all the gods that ever existed, interacted with them, compared their characteristics and then drew a conclusion. Which is it?

AnonyNymous:

That is correct- and that is what you see them doing on here. Providing reasons why they thing the bible is illogical, therefore their rejection of Christianity. However, I am yet to see an atheist on here explicitly state "THERE IS NO GOD". If anyone does so, the burden of proof is on him.

KingEbukasBlog:

If you have not consciously and explicitly rejected the existence of God , you are not an atheist . If you are not certain God does not exist , you are not an atheist .

damogul:


Oga you need a crash course in English about what a CLAIM is. ANYONE WHO SAYS GOD DOES NOT EXIST has made a claim. The next logical question would be...HOW DID YOU FIND THIS OUT? OR HOW DID YOU ARRIVE AT THIS CONCLUSION.

If an atheist lacks belief due to lack of sufficient proof this means they still need proof so why jump to the conclusion that there is no God or God does not exist when there are still myriads of proof yet to be seen? Are you confused?

PDBonline:

LiberaDeus don't start it again. There is a clear statement about what we expect from you in this thread.
What you've just done among other things is exactly the Shift of Burden of Proof I am complaining about. It's a known informal logical FALLACY.
Then to that you are adding Hasty Generalization. Christians are in different stages of knowledge and maturity. And our Bible tells us that who ever thinks he knows anything as not known it as he ought to- meaning that knowledge, talk less knowledge of God is inexhaustible.
So anyone among us who is truly knowledgeable also knows that there is more to know. Rather than allow the lack of knowledge to led us into hasty conclusions and spiritual laziness, we have not given up, calling God all sorts like those who left our camp does.

The same ignorance that has led to broken relationships when one partner decides to stop seeking to know the other and adjust to the responsibility that the knowledge brings, that's what has led to many leaving our camp. And you can read the anger and disappointment they express towards a God they claim doesn't exist.

LiberaDeus, you have all the opportunity here to scientifically proof to a logical conclusion why you hold on to the idea that there is no God because you have suggested that this is what Christians should do while shutting your eyes and heart to all the evidence already existing around you. You even have the liberty to quote the works(research) of those senior atheists like Dawkins.

AnonyNymous:
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AnonyNymous:

What is natural theology?

PDBonline:

What reasons will be sufficient? Like seeing God physically appear to you? Like Him creating another universe and taking you there to say that, "Okay, see what new world I have created. Do you now believe?"

You don't get to see something when you are not looking at the right place, no matter how convinced you are about where you do your search.

If you honestly don't have sufficient reason and there is God, He knows you are honest. But honesty is not enough. Don't consult other humans to proof God to you, if God exist, He will hear you speak to Him, asking that He help you to understand what you haven't and let Him decide when and how to do it.

Having said that. This is a thread for those who claim that God does not exist. An opportunity to do what they ask others to do(which they never agree with, nor are they ready to). Maybe if they show the evidence for their claim, they will have just some moral right to request for such claim from those who say theirs is already available and that what is not available is a personal revelation from that God- which atheists for some reason don't consider genuine.

ScepticalPyrrho:
@PDBonline.

Read below to see who is shifting the burden of proof.

@KingEbukasBlog why don't you tell dis man that we've gone past this a long time ago.

Atheists are not the claimant!!!

They lack believe because of lack of proofs! That is why they not need to proof the inexistence of God.

Why are doing this all over again. It's exhausting.

Can you provide proofs for the inexistence of Aliens?

KingEbukasBlog:


How is your new account doing ? Felixomor , come and see oo

dalaman:
I've been seeing many theist here (christians and muslims,) arguing about how their religion and God is true and those that do not accept their religion/ God are either blind, arrogant or foolish. What I have never heard from any of the theist arguing in support of one religion/ God or the other is providing an objective and incontrovertible way through which we will all test and know which religion/ God is true. How do we objectively know which God exists and controls thrle world and which God is false and vice versa? Where is the objective test to prove any of these religious claim? What methodology can be used to test and verify the existence of God that is objective to all? How can other religions/Gods also be shown to be false, what methodology do they need to fail for us to know that they are false? Instead of repeating what you have been coerced and indoctrinated with since childhood mostly, why don't the theist here do something different and show us with objective evidence why their religion/God is true and other religions/Gods are false. The theist making the claim that God exist should provide objective evidence that their Gods exist so that when we come in contact with it we will know for sure that it is their God and not some other phenomenon.

Blackbolt:

The problem is that you are yet to define GOD and EXIST. when can we say that A EXISTS?

LiberaDeus:


I don't know why you don't read my posts totally and jump to conclusions. I am not an atheist but an agnostic.
I never made a claim that no god exists.
My belief is that there is most likely a number of higher intelligent beings[ call it god or not] that exist in the universe and can most likely exist in other universes. I can't claim that I know how or when or why the universe was created. Its you theists that make that extraordinary claim so you guys must prove it.

felixomor:


Sorry.
Its sad to say, but has to be said.

Atheism isnt about evidence.
It has never been.

I can almost for certain declare that no type of evidence (be it video or written) can satisfy you.

Atheism is far from evidence.

dalaman:


When you have any evidence for your beliefs provide it and lets examine it as stated. If you have non then move along. We don't have time to listen to your criesand rants .

dalaman:
I've been seeing many theist here (christians and muslims,) arguing about how their religion and God is true and those that do not accept their religion/ God are either blind, arrogant or foolish. What I have never heard from any of the theist arguing in support of one religion/ God or the other is providing an objective and incontrovertible way through which we will all test and know which religion/ God is true. How do we objectively know which God exists and controls thrle world and which God is false and vice versa? Where is the objective test to prove any of these religious claim? What methodology can be used to test and verify the existence of God that is objective to all? How can other religions/Gods also be shown to be false, what methodology do they need to fail for us to know that they are false? Instead of repeating what you have been coerced and indoctrinated with since childhood mostly, why don't the theist here do something different and show us with objective evidence why their religion/God is true and other religions/Gods are false. The theist making the claim that God exist should provide objective evidence that their Gods exist so that when we come in contact with it we will know for sure that it is their God and not some other phenomenon.

ScepticalPyrrho:
I'm not one of such atheist.

As I said I'm not one.

But I'm also compelled to make such assertions, because there are numerous Gods of numerous religions.
If there is a God which implies perfection, omniscience, omnipotent then the world would be a better place.

It is a conclusion from deduction and it is the opinion of the claimant.

But for the sake of arguments, I don't make such assertions not because it isn't most likely, but because of your likes who misunderstand the position is to be replied by providing proofs.

PDBonline:

All what I'm asking for is how an atheist who claims God is not real came to that conclusion, logically and scientifically.

dalaman:


Personally I came to the conclusion that no God exist base Gods are man made ideas and conception. No God can be shown to exist on its on independent of man's input and societal acceptance. Men sat down and invented what ever concept of God they imagined based on various reasons. Gods do not exist in reality. Belief in the idea of God is what is real. Men had to write what ever story that comes to their minds about what ever concept of God they imagined. Men had to created the theology and doctrines that will cement and make the God idea they created acceptable to others. Men have to speared the word about what ever concept of God they imagined and explain it to others. Men have to build all the religious temples and convert others to their religion and make them follow what ever God concept they created. Men have to fight for their various Gods. Enforce what ever system of morality they have come to associate with what ever form of God they created.

This is simple, 4000 years Ra was the very powerful God of ancient Egypt. Now nobody believes in that God idea any more and that God is dead, same applies to Zues and the other Greek Gods. Most of the Mayan and South and North American Gods are no more because no one believes in them. Same with most of our traditional African Gods. We don't even know the names of the Gods our ancestors worshiped like 2000 years ago.

4000 years ago the God Allah as we know it today wasn't in existence until Mohammed introduced the God concept and went about conquerin people and making sure they accept that God. 3000 years ago there was no God called Jesus that was worshiped by anybody until the Romans came conquered most parts of the world and introduced that God concept to their subjects.

Once people stop believing in a God that idea dies off.

KingEbukasBlog:


Damn it bro ! You are good ! I thought of the same thing too . It sounded like NinjaX . He has made that comment with his NinjaX account .

PDBonline:

Did you check the title or read the post before commenting? I guess you are in the wrong place.

I have never seen an atheist who considers anything presented as evidence for God so. Meaning that you they already know who God is? There own idea? Maybe. So if you may start by letting us know the God you have searched for and did not find and how you knew that this is what God should look like and this is what he should do or not do.

You can't ask someone to bring up an evidence without knowing what you are looking for. Also before you ask for such evidence, like you demand, do you have any scientific basis by which you know beyond reasonable doubt that if God is real it is most certain that He will be revealed that way?

[You most have known God to come up with such. Now that you wouldn't listen to the how of those who claim to know God, why bother ask them to produce any evidence?

Just use that standard you require for your own claim. That's what this is about. If you don't have a claim, then this post is not addressed to you.

dalaman:


I was once a christian and I truly searched for the Christian God only to realize that like all other Gods he's just a man made idea.



I was once a christian am when I speak of God in speak about the Christian idea and conception.



I am.listening. Jut provide your objective and incontrovertible evidence that your God exist.

dalaman:


I was once a christian and I truly searched for the Christian God only to realize that like all other Gods he's just a man made idea.



I was once a christian am when I speak of God in speak about the Christian idea and conception.



I am.listening. Jut provide your objective and incontrovertible evidence that your God exist.

damogul:



You said 4000 yrs ago right? In fact i can even say 8000 yrs ago probably other gods existed. How old are you dalaman? 10000 yrs old? Were you there when the alleged God idea was created by man? Can you show us proof?

dalaman:


Historically speaking 4000 years ago the people in Egypt believe in Ra as their supreme God. Their halographs are there for all to see. The Egyptian book of the dead I still there. I don't need to be there to know. God are man made ideas that is why there are different Gods. All created by men. If the white men had not conquered your land and forced your ancestors to worship their own God you would have been somewhere worshipping the verson of God/ Gods of your acestors imagined and created.

dalaman:


Personally I came to the conclusion that no God exist base Gods are man made ideas and conception. No God can be shown to exist on its on independent of man's input and societal acceptance. Men sat down and invented what ever concept of God they imagined based on various reasons.