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Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by damogul: 4:36pm On Dec 17, 2016
dalaman:


We say all Gods are man made ideas and as such can not be shown to exist on their own without human input. If you know a God that can be shown to exist without human input point to it.


you keep sounding like a broken record when you say WE ALL KNOW AND MAN MADE IDEA. Am I not part of the ALL that should know? Yet I disagree with you.

So show me your proof to your claim.
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by LiberaDeus: 4:36pm On Dec 17, 2016
damogul:


are you godly?

I am not godly. I am moral.

You my friend are just funny
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 4:36pm On Dec 17, 2016
LiberaDeus:


I never said no supreme being exists

If you do one thing for me I will enter the argument.
Just define the supreme being or god. The word is very vague. If you can just define it then I can't enter

If you are not disputing the existence of God(Supreme Being ) , then why are you here ?

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Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by felixomor: 4:37pm On Dec 17, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:


If you are not disputing the existence of God(Supreme Being ) , then why are you here ?

Ghen Ghen.

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Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by damogul: 4:37pm On Dec 17, 2016
LiberaDeus:

I am not godly. I am moral.
You my friend are just funny
intelligently funny rather. Thank you
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by randomperson: 4:37pm On Dec 17, 2016
The imperfect and terrible things about nature contradict the concept of an omnipotent and benevolent god... A good god would not create a worm that only feeds on humans'eyes
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by damogul: 4:38pm On Dec 17, 2016
randomperson:
The imperfect and terrible things about nature contradict the concept of an omnipotent and benevolent god... A good god would not create a worm that only feeds on humans'eyes

Is the worm your proof that there is no God? Are you saying there is a God but he is a bad one? Or are you saying there is absolutely NONE.
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by dalaman: 4:39pm On Dec 17, 2016
damogul:

you keep sounding like a broken record when you say WE ALL KNOW AND MAN MADE IDEA. Am I not part of the ALL that should know? Yet I disagree with you.
So show me your proof to your claim.

We (atheist). Are you an atheist? Show us the God that exist on its own without human input.

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Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by Pastafarian: 4:39pm On Dec 17, 2016
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Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by damogul: 4:41pm On Dec 17, 2016
dalaman:


We (atheist). Are you an atheist? Show us the God that exist on its own without human input.

You simply have nothing to offer. Nothing to show. No proof.

I will ask you one last time as a favor to show me your proof.
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by LiberaDeus: 4:41pm On Dec 17, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:


If you are not disputing the existence of God(Supreme Being ) , then why are you here ?

Am here to watch an intellectual argument but am getting nothing.

The summary is that it is impossible to prove that something does not exist. Anything could exist in any part of the universe but in order for a belief to be valid and worthy of attention, it needs hard evidence to back it up.

My own opinion is that you can't disprove the existence of a supreme being. But when you become more specific on the qualities of the being then we can evaluate its existence and effect in our known earth realm.

But you ain't a Christian because you just believe god exists, nah , there is more to it. Are you guys afraid of narrowing down your claims?

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Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by randomperson: 4:41pm On Dec 17, 2016
damogul:


Is the worm your proof that there is no God? Are you saying there is a God but he is a bad one? Or are you saying there is absolutely NONE.
Oh. . not ignoring anymore??... Anyways, it is proof that God- the one who is supposedly good and all powerful doesn't exist
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by damogul: 4:42pm On Dec 17, 2016
randomperson:

Oh. . not ignoring anymore??... Anyways, it is proof that God- the one who is supposedly good and all powerful doesn't exist


So there is a God afterall but not the kind you subscribe to.

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Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 4:44pm On Dec 17, 2016
dalaman:


We (atheist). Are you an atheist? Show us the God that exist on its own without human input.

Let me get this clear bro . Are you 1. Saying there is no God because of lack of evidence ? 2 .Or you are you rejecting the evidences we who acknowledge the existence of God have presented ?

If it is 1 then its a blatant appeal to ignorance fallacy , if its 2 then you have to provide reasons why you reject the evidences .

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Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by damogul: 4:45pm On Dec 17, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:


Let me get this clear bro . Are you 1. Saying there is no God because of lack of evidence ? 2 .Or you are you rejecting the evidences we who acknowledge the existence of God have presented ?

If it is 1 then its a blatant appeal to ignorance fallacy , if its 2 then you have to provide reasons why you reject the evidences .


succinct!

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Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by randomperson: 4:45pm On Dec 17, 2016
damogul:



So there is a God afterall but not the kind you subscribe to.
The kind I subscribe too?? No, the kind u believe in and worship ..
Do you agree that that's proof that the kind of God u believe in doesn't exist?
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by dalaman: 4:46pm On Dec 17, 2016
damogul:


You simply have nothing to offer. Nothing to show. No proof.

I will ask you one last time as a favor to show me your proof.

When have you ever provide any evidence for your claims?

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Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 4:46pm On Dec 17, 2016
Pastafarian:
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Memes come as support when there is no intellectual input . I understand smiley

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Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by damogul: 4:47pm On Dec 17, 2016
randomperson:

The kind I subscribe too?? No, the kind u believe in and worship ..
Do you agree that that's proof that the kind of God u believe in doesn't exist?


How would you know the kind I subscribe to when you are the one who said THE ONE THAT IS GOOD AND OMNISCIENT AND ALL POWERFUL does not exist.

So if that one does not exist which one does?
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by damogul: 4:48pm On Dec 17, 2016
dalaman:


When have you ever provide any evidence for your claims?



Are you now devolving to memes? Is the lack of proof this strong that memes have to be deployed?

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Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 4:49pm On Dec 17, 2016
LiberaDeus:


Am here to watch an intellectual argument but am getting nothing.

Well blame the atheists for that then .

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Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by dalaman: 4:49pm On Dec 17, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:


Let me get this clear bro . Are you 1. Saying there is no God because of lack of evidence ? 2 .Or you are you rejecting the evidences we who acknowledge the existence of God have presented ?

If it is 1 then its a blatant appeal to ignorance fallacy , if its 2 then you have to provide reasons why you reject the evidences .

There is no evidence for God as advertised. If you have objective and incontrovertible evidence that points to the existence of your God directly then please provide it.
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 4:51pm On Dec 17, 2016
damogul:



Are you now devolving to memes? Is the lack of proof this strong that memes have to be deployed?

'Desperate times call for Desperate measures' grin

They are seriously being pummeled here .

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Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by damogul: 4:51pm On Dec 17, 2016
dalaman:


There is no evidence for God as advertised. If you have objective and incontrovertible evidence that points to the existence of your God directly then please provide it.


if you are saying there is no evidence of God AS ADVERTISED that means you are rejecting any proof theists have ever offered.

That then means you need to show us why and how you arrived at this rejection....So in essence you are back to where you and I started from.

Where is your proof.
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 4:52pm On Dec 17, 2016
dalaman:


There is no evidence for God as advertised. If you have objective and incontrovertible evidence that points to the existence of your God directly then please provide it.

Nature , Consciousness , Intelligence serve as incontrovertible and irrefutable evidence for God.
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by dalaman: 4:52pm On Dec 17, 2016
damogul:



if you are saying there is no evidence of God AS ADVERTISED that means you are rejecting any proof theists have ever offered.

That then means you need to show us why and how you arrived at this rejection....So in essence you are back to where you and I started from.

Where is your proof.

What have the theist provided in terms of evidence?
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by randomperson: 4:53pm On Dec 17, 2016
damogul:



How would you know the kind I subscribe to when you are the one who said THE ONE THAT IS GOOD AND OMNISCIENT AND ALL POWERFUL does not exist.

So if that one does not exist which one does?
How would I know the one you subscribe to?? Are u not a Christian anymore?? Or u don't believe God is good and all powerful?? ...
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by damogul: 4:55pm On Dec 17, 2016
dalaman:


What have the theist provided in terms of evidence?

Red herring and goal post shifting by another 500 yards. Ebuka this guy must be diego costa in hiding.

The thread is not about theists. Let that sink in. Its about Atheists and proof of their claims.

Dalaman where is your proof

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Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by randomperson: 4:55pm On Dec 17, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:


Nature , Consciousness , Intelligence serve as incontrovertible and irrefutable evidence for God.
No, they don't. There are terrible things in nature that refute supposed evidence for god
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 4:55pm On Dec 17, 2016
Deicide:

Trust Kingebukasblog na He is now Trying To shift Pantheism into Theism

Guy If you have Change beliefs let Us know be a Man tell and stop all this useless Games...

I've explained why I use different perspectives to refute an argument . It does not mean I have changed beliefs - whatever this means .
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by felixomor: 4:57pm On Dec 17, 2016
damogul:


Red herring and goal post shifting by another 500 yards. Ebuka this guy must be diego costa in hiding.

The thread is not about theists. Let that sink in. Its about Atheists and proof of their claims.

Dalaman where is your proof

E no get.
He has dodged nothing less than 3 questions from me alone.
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by dalaman: 4:57pm On Dec 17, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:


Nature , Consciousness , Intelligence serve as incontrovertible and irrefutable evidence for God.

No signature of God in nature to show that God created anything in nature. Hence it remains an assumption. Belief in God does not exist in nature. It is something that must be thought to humans.

Consiousness and intelligence are not evidence for any God else all consious and intelligent beings will naturally believe in God and will not need to be told and indoctrinated with any idea of God. All consious and intelligent humans will all come to the knowledge of the same God and in the same way if Consiousness and intelligence are evidence for God. So another fail.

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