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Good tidings to all!

Lately, I've been having a lot of dystopian/end time dreams from the Most High. Its like he's preparing me for what's to come. Though I'm Nigerian, I live in the United States. There's a lot of strange things happening here, too much to mention in fact. The level of demonic activity has reached a fever pitch and its only going to get worse. Yah is strengthening me, and I pray for all my brothers and sisters in the faith. Your dream is just one of many the Most High is showing his children to strenghten their arms as well. Sorry, there is no pre-tribulation "rapture". There will be a quickening of the dead, a RESURRECTION at the sound of the LAST trump, where Yahshua will come for his bride.

Read Matt 24:29 VERY carefully.... the Messiah is coming for his elect (those in the grave and the few survivors during the 3.5yr purge) AFTER the tribulation and not a second before. The scriptures show a steady pattern of Yah taking his people "through"tests and trials... and not "rapturing" them out of it. That is a lie from the LovePeddler of babylon (early roman catholic church). We won't be raptured, we'll instead make it in the 1st Resurrection (Rev 20:4-5) and reign with Yashuah for 1000yrs HERE ON EARTH. Heaven will literally be here on earth, sorry, we're not growing wings and flying into the sky

NnaNna4:
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The Wine The Rapture And The Oil (kerosene) All In One. Interpretation Needed




In a dream I was carrying a gallon of palm wine I bought and I kept it under the chair(or probably I hid it under the chair). In that dream, I slept and got into another dream of rapture. In the dream of my dream, rapture took place, a lot were happening like uniform officials were ubiquitous and arrests anyone they can reach and I saw some guys who were trying to hide and evade uniform officials but they were located and fished. Anywhere anyone hides a uniform officer is there to fish him/her out.

Their were many uniform officials everywhere u turn. Confusion and fear of unknown were on all direction, no one has guts but afraid that they may be apprehended and everyone was doing the same thing WALKING AWAY in whatever direction they face to avoid the tasked force. People were not smiling or talking to each other or united, but people were scattered.

The task force was actually enforcing something and it seems any one task force must hold unto someone that he/she reaches or finds or catch up with or grab or fished out. And the colour of their uniforms is caton color or immigration uniform and they are not joking but mean as if there life depend on bringing every single soul to the public to listen to a live broadcast or receive a new law or give account or receive a system of existence that involves people complying with the new order whether they like it or not. And I saw persons hiding even under table and in funny ways yet this officers will spot them and fish them out. I recognized two persons who were nabbed by the uniform men. I then awake in the dream. I found myself in crowded hang out and it was night.

Although it was night because this hang out place functions in the night, I particularly recognized two persons in that social point who I saw in the rapture dream. That social point is like a silver bird gallery or place of relaxation with imported iron seats found in the reception of big organizations and companies. The seats where arranged to face a flat screen tv for people who relax here also watch movies or sports. The social point was crowded when I began to talk to them about the rapture that will take place. I told them that no time they should take appropriate measures. And as i was talking the crowd was making effort to get idea of what am talking about before moving to get to what brought them there.

And as I was talking those 2 guys I saw hiding in The rapture dream of my dream that were later apprehended by the uniform officials showed up and I can remember that I started asking them what was their dreams and they bear witness to the people who heard me ( the place is so crowded and people pressed upon each other on a line up, trying to maintain a queue pressing towards the tv as if a waiter is there to give out ticket and heavy sound of secular music rend the air) that each of them dreamt of rapture.

The crowd while pressed in a queue and consciously advancing towards the imaginary persons in front still turned their attention towards me to get what am talking. After a while of talking about the rapture and the need for people to be alert.I noticed that a couple was taking snapshots of me (without my permission though) and as they sat satisfied muttering words like they got the autograph of a celebrity I realized that the crowded movie house or you can call it fun centre is now reduced to the couples and a few persons. The couples were loving up and playing with each other and I sat behind them facing a distant television opposite me with no waiter around anymore. I was aware of the environment that it was night. The couples were playing with each other and My gaze shifted from the lovers to under the seat and I realized I bought a full gallon of kerosene and I kept it under the chair in a lied down position.

THIS IS A VISION INDICATING THAT RAPTURE WILL TAKE PLACE SOON BUT...

In the beginning I was holding a gallon of palm wine which I bought to drink and I didn't taste it in that dream but towards The end I saw a gallon of kerosene
which I bought and kept under a chair. Please can someone tell me the meaning of palm wine and kerosene dreamwise or spiritually i mean with regards to bible. Thanks

providence338:
Good tidings to all!

Lately, I've been having a lot of dystopian/end time dreams from the Most High. Its like he's preparing me for what's to come. Though I'm Nigerian, I live in the United States. There's a lot of strange things happening here, too much to mention in fact. The level of demonic activity has reached a fever pitch and its only going to get worse. Yah is strengthening me, and I pray for all my brothers and sisters in the faith. Your dream is just one of many the Most High is showing his children to strenghten their arms as well. Sorry, there is no pre-tribulation "rapture". There will be a quickening of the dead, a RESURRECTION at the sound of the LAST trump, where Yahshua will come for his bride.

Read Matt 24:29 VERY carefully.... the Messiah is coming for his elect (those in the grave and the few survivors during the 3.5yr purge) AFTER the tribulation and not a second before. The scriptures show a steady pattern of Yah taking his people "through"tests and trials... and not "rapturing" them out of it. That is a lie from the LovePeddler of babylon (early roman catholic church). We won't be raptured, we'll instead make it in the 1st Resurrection (Rev 20:4-5) and reign with Yashuah for 1000yrs HERE ON EARTH. Heaven will literally be here on earth, sorry, we're not growing wings and flying into the sky

hi sir? or ma?

ive been on ghost mode since but wen i read ur post, i decided to shake of ghost mode dust. i have some questions. i have some observations. i have some truths/facts and i have some personal belief for you (or anyone interested) i want verified/ proven/questioned/corrected. In essence i intend picking on ur above post and making another topic on it (but not derailing this thread, hop i'm making sense?)

based on what you wrote aboe, i believe, that you believe that
1. there will be no rapture
2. there will be no mark giving period
3. that things will get badder and worser (permit my English) till we Jesus comes ?
4. after Jesus comes, the 1000 year reign comes, then, (according to you what next?)

please note that this is nor sarcasm. i honestly want your point of view. i will explain afTer your reply then you will understand why.
LASTLY I HAVE A VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION THAT WILL DETERMINE A LOT IN OUR NEXT DISCUSSION. THE PLACE IN REVELATION WHERE ANGEL MICHEAL BATTLES WITH THE ANCIENT SERPENT. IS IT A FUTURE OCCURRENCE OR A PAST OCCURRENCE?

looking forward to your reply sir/ma. thanks

AFTER RAPTURE...

Appetite for marriage will die.

Appetite for job will die.

Appetite for material things [cars, houses,
degrees...] will die.

Appetite for admission will die.

Appetite to be the Nigerian president will die...

Men of God [pastors, deacons, bishops] that missed it will be ashamed to come out from their houses because of shame of their members seeing them.

Christians [children of God] that missed it will equally be ashamed to go close to those unbelievers they preached to but never gave heed to their message.

I mean after rapture, those who loved motivational messages more, will dislike them with passion and shall seek love for messages of salvation.

Beloved after rapture, grace on its own accord will expire here on earth. Spiritual gifts shall be no more because there will be no Holy Spirit to manifest them.

Those who were not raptured will take home the belongings of those that where raptured if
peradventure it happened in a church service.

Those who never believed in rapture shall then
believe but it must have become too late. I reiterate that *after rapture*, those that missed it shall cry hysterically. Many people would love to repent....It is only sin that has what it takes to drop any man on that day

"Let us therefore lay aside every weight and sin that doth so easily beset us" - Hebrew 12:1
IT IS THEREFORE BETTER TO BE IN THE RAPTURE THAN TO WATCH IT HAPPEN
HOW PREPARED ARE YOU?

Hello nnamdiosu,

1. There is no "rapture" as in the nonsense we've all seen from the movie "Left Behind". I used to believe that also until I began to read with more understanding. The so-called "rapture" and the resurrection are one and the same event. The dead in Yashuah will RISE FIRST (from the ground -- hence, no heaven) and the souls that are left alive will quicken, and we'll all be changed in a twinkle of an eye and meet our Ha'Maschiach in the AIR. We the saints will escort him back down here on earth (Hebrew style, they typically escorted their guests from afar ie the king meeting his prodigal son/mary meeting Yashuah, etc) and FIGHT, alongside the heavenly host, the devil's army with our new bodies. So no, there is no "rapture" in the sense that Yashuah will whisk the saints off somewhere, even David hasn't been to heaven (Acts 2:34). Our heaven will be right here on earth -- and no, I'm no Jehovah's Witness, but they got THAT part right.

2. There will be a mark, the Bible says so. I'll even add my belief that this will be a very literal outwardly showing and obvious mark, b/c that's the way satan works (tatoos, branding, etc). He'll want to make it obvious to the Most High that whoever took the mark did so very much knowingly so that the poor soul cannot be absolved come the day of Judgement. He's tricky like that...

3. The scriptures speak of the earth going through labor pains during the last days. So yes, things will only get worse (for the saints) until the return of the Messiah at the LAST trump. NOTE: the Tribulation would have already been taking place BEFORE the last trump.

4. Per the Bible (not me), after the Return of the Messiah, the following events occur:

7 Bowls of Judgement
Armageddon
1000yr Millennial Reign of those that made the 1st Resurrection, with the Messiah ruling from Jerusalem (not "heaven"
Gog and Magog war at end of Millennial Reign
Great White Throne of Judgement (sheep and goats wake to 2nd Resurrection)
Satan and his goats will be thrown into Lake of Fire to join the anti christ and false prophet (pope)
Death and Hell thrown into the Lake of Fire
A new heaven and a new earth shall be established so that the Father who sits on the Thrown can come down to EARTH and New Jerusalem will
come down. No flesh shall dwell before the Father therein, only spirit bodies whose name was written in the Lamb's Book of Life

All these can be found in chronological order from Rev 19-22.

ps-- an angel binds satan inside the bottomless pit for a 1000yrs in Rev 20. This is after Armageddon, clearly a future event. Satan ain't in hell, he's ruling from the second heaven scouring the earth seeking whom he can devour because he knows he has but a short time.

nnamdiosu:
hi sir? or ma?

ive been on ghost mode since but wen i read ur post, i decided to shake of ghost mode dust. i have some questions. i have some observations. i have some truths/facts and i have some personal belief for you (or anyone interested) i want verified/ proven/questioned/corrected. In essence i intend picking on ur above post and making another topic on it (but not derailing this thread, hop i'm making sense?)

based on what you wrote aboe, i believe, that you believe that
1. there will be no rapture
2. there will be no mark giving period
3. that things will get badder and worser (permit my English) till we Jesus comes ?
4. after Jesus comes, the 1000 year reign comes, then, (according to you what next?)

please note that this is nor sarcasm. i honestly want your point of view. i will explain afTer your reply then you will understand why.
LASTLY I HAVE A VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION THAT WILL DETERMINE A LOT IN OUR NEXT DISCUSSION. THE PLACE IN REVELATION WHERE ANGEL MICHEAL BATTLES WITH THE ANCIENT SERPENT. IS IT A FUTURE OCCURRENCE OR A PAST OCCURRENCE?

looking forward to your reply sir/ma. thanks

Thank you CharlyG1 for this post. I'm a lurker but earlier had to come out of lurkmode to relay my gratitude for your very well-rounded post on basic dream symbols. I've been having a lot of dreams lately and I came across this page and I know the things you post are true. I've read all the comments from page 170 onwards and I enjoy the comments, fellowship and exhortation among the brethren/sistren. I especially enjoy your posts -- and I'm looking forward to the continuation of your analysis of that BFG movie. I have no intention of watching that wicked movie, but knowledge is power. Its always good to know these things and not be caught off guard in the event I happen across other movies **cough* "Storks" *cough** with similar/like occultic themes.

As it pertains to witchcraft, Nollywood ain't got NOTHING on Hollywood lol...

CharlyG1:
I wanted to share a message today, but because I have not finished compiling the message, I decided to share this instead since I already made a promise to share this in the past.


Many of us have dreams and visions, but we do not actually understand what these dreams mean or symbolize. Dreams can come from God, Satan/demons, and from one’s subconscious mind.
This message will be discussing on how to understand basic dreams from God.


Dreams from God can contain various symbols, people/person, places, numbers, buildings, trees, objects etc. God sends messages to his children by speaking into their spirit using all forms of symbols like the ones I just mentioned. But we need to search the scriptures and keep a close distance with God to understand how God speaks using words, symbols, numbers and all other various symbolic elements.

For it is the glory of God to conceal a matter, and it is the glory of Kings to search out a matter (Proverbs 25:2)


I will try to make this message as brief as possible for easy assimilation.


BASICS OF DREAM INTERPRETATION.

Job 33:15-18
In a dream, in a vision of the night, when deep sleep falleth upon men, in slumberings upon the bed;Then he openeth the ears of men, and sealeth their instruction, That he may withdraw man from his purpose, and hide pride from man. He keepeth back his soul from the pit, and his life from perishing by the sword.


When God speaks to us, He speaks to each of us in different ways. For example; If God has called me to be His prophet and He starts to speak to me about this calling, He may start showing me a baby or a little girl in the dream. A baby to me will represent ‘my ministry in its starting stage' or ‘my calling’.
If another person has been praying for a job and he/she sees a baby in his/her dream, it would mean ‘a new thing or an incoming blessing’ that God is about to perform in that person’s life, maybe a ‘new job’. In another person’s case it could mean ‘spiritual immaturity’. For another it could be ‘a new Christian’ and so in and so forth.


God speaks to us differently; one symbol He shows to someone in a dream may not necessarily carry the same meaning in another person’s case. That is why I do not advise people to seek the meaning to their dreams on the internet, except when talking directly to a person who has the gift of interpreting dreams.
The gift of dream interpretation is needed to understand what God is saying to that person. But where the gift is not present, the dreamer should be able to interpret the dream at least partially. And that is the purpose of this topic. To share basic dream symbols.

A person with the gift of dream interpretation solely relies on the Spirit of God to understand the meaning to the dream, for it is only God that can reveal a thing and give the meaning to it. The gift of dream interpretation comes with discernment from the Holy Ghost. The interpreter can actually discern a deeper meaning to the dream message in one’s life than someone without the gift. That is why interpretation of dreams simply cannot be taught, it can only be partially explained in basics.


Satan and his agents cannot understand prophetic dreams. God makes use of hard coded symbols, languages and various things to encode a prophetic dream to the shame of the devil and for His own glory, and also to conceal His plan form Satan until an appointed time (one of the reasons Jesus spoke in parables). Sometimes, even a dream interpreter would not be able to fully interpret such dreams, and the person would need to ask God for the meaning. Satan and demons will never be able to understand prophetic dreams because they do not have the Spirit of God in them.


In my case, (not to boast) whenever I do not fully understand a hard coded prophetic dream, I simply ask God and within 5mins He makes the dream clear to me. That’s the power of God.
That clearly shows that dreams and interpretation comes from God. Check the case of Daniel and joseph. Read Daniel 2 and Genesis 41:15-16.


When you have a dream, the most basic way to interpret is to break the dream down in a very simple form.
For example:

Alison had a dream where she was in a car park. All of a sudden she started to run. She was running because an unknown man dressed in black was chasing her. She ran fast, tripped, got up again and continued to run as fast as her legs could carry her. She looked at her wrist watch and realized the time was exactly 7’O clock. When she grew tired of running, out of fear and not caring for her life, she decided to face this unknown man chasing after and realized that this man had no face, but she beat him so badly the man ran away. The she looked forward and saw a very bright light that shone on her and lit up the whole room. She now realized she was standing in the midst of men and women dressed up in suits and royal attires.



To break this dream down, we must pick out the important characters in this dream.
1. Alison- the dream is centred on her, if we take her out of the dream, then the dream will lose its meaning.
2. Car Park- This represents stagnation, staying in one place for too long.
3. [color=#000000]Unknown man in black[/color]- This represents evil forces/ difficulties
4. Watch (7 0’clock)- 7 is the divine number of Heaven. Meaning.. this very thing that is happening to Alison is happening according to God’s plan. It’s happening under the directive of Heaven.
5. Bright Light- Divine revelation, spiritual insight, now ‘fully aware’
6. Room filled with royalty- Divine blessing God has preserved, Divine rest or Glory.


What this dream is saying: Alison is in a parking lot, this means that she is not going anywhere in life. Her life is being stagnated, she is not moving forward, she's just on one spot. Her spiritual life could be down; her career could be so bad etc. To make her go away from this stagnant life, God uses a problem/difficult challenge or even the devil to chase her out of that car park (stagnation) and put her on the run. Running is a spiritual exercise that will eventually stir faith in Alison. So as Alison runs, she checks her watch and realize it says 7’O clock. This means that this whole thing happening to her is happening according to God’s plan. It is heavenly supervised, even though in real life Alison may feel she’s going through a very hard time, that hard time unknown to her is actually a trial to move her to her glory.


And when Alison has become tired (angered in her spirit) of this problem chasing her, she now becomes moved (with faith) to now overcome the problem by fighting the unknown man in black (Trials, difficulties). And after she fights him and defeats him, a bright light shone on her and she now realizes she is in an elegant place (better position in life) filled with royal people (divine blessing/glory).
The bright light would be Heaven’s approval and it also signifies a divine revelation and insight to open the eyes of Alison for her see the great blessing that God has prepared for her.


That’s what the dream means. That’s one of the ways God pushes us to move up in life. Sometimes we face trials and difficulties, but unknown to many, these trials are stepping stones to push a person to their glory or to the blessing God has prepared for that person.


Here are basic symbols of dreams revealed to me from my walk with God:
Please note that these symbols could mean even more than what has been put down here. And for accurate interpretation, its application depends on the whole parts of a dream given to the dreamer.


B
Bathroom: place of cleansing/ secret sins
Bedroom: Covenant with God/Intimacy with another
Bees: anger, jealousy, slander and gossips
Bell (ringing): A warning
Bicycle: Immature ministry or very young ministry
Blood: covenant/ death about to happen
Bridge: Connection/ covenant between Jesus and a person.
Bus: Group ministry


C
Camera (seeing through camera): Spiritual revelation, deep insight
Car: Ministry/Church
*Old car: Ministry operating in an old fashioned way
* Caterpillar/ Truck: spiritual work in a person’s life
Car Park: Waiting for a period
Cell phone: Business/ Job/ Finances
*Cell phone lost/damaged: Business affliction/ job loss
* Cell phone found: Job gain/new job/new financial blessing or profit in business
Chain: Bondage/captivity
Chair- Position/Waiting/Rest
Classroom: Teaching/Spiritual Instructions
Clock (depends on what time the clock says): God’s timing, delay, waiting period.
Cock crowing: A warning
Crossroads: A change/new direction or a decision to be made.
Cupboard: Secret, evil secret


D
Dawn: New blessing
Dusk: Trial times, difficult times
Dog: Carnal nature/Hypocrites/Unbelievers
Driver (face hidden): Holy Ghost


E
Electricity: Power of the Holy Ghost
Employee: Servant/ serving God or Humility
Employer: Good/bad authority.


F
Father: Authority/ or someone in authority/ Your father
Feathers: Protection
Feet: Your calling/Spiritual faith and stand in God.
Fire: Trouble/ Trials/ Lust/ Passion/ Judgement/Angels etc.
Flies: Demons/ Spiritual pollution.
Flood: Judgement
Flying: New spiritual level
Fridge: Preservation by God/plan of God


G
Giant: Sin causing limitation/ demon/ Angel
Gold: New spiritual gift/ great blessing


H
House: One’s body or physical house
Hospital: Place of healing

K
Keyhole (peeping through key hole): Deep revelation of secret

L
Left Hand: Spiritual calling/ Faith/Ministration
Little girl: Young Ministry
Lion: Devourer/ Satan/Jesus Christ/ Trials for new spiritual level


M
Money: Great value/new blessing/divine favour/business profits
Mother: Holy Spirit/ Church
Moon: Wife or wife to be


O
Old House: Old ways of life(sinful)


P
Police: Spiritual authority/ Angels/ Demons
Pregnancy: A new thing God is about to do
Prison: Bondage


R
Rain: Blessings or Troubles/ Financial troubles to come
Right hand: Power/ strength
Road or Path: Direction of one’s life
*rough road: Trials/tribulations


S
Snail: Slow growth in life/ slow progress
Snake: Lies/ Deception/ Satan/ Demons/spiritual attack by seduction and temptation
Storm: Trouble about to come
Sun: Husband or Husband to be
Sun, Stars and Moon together (Constellation): Heaven/ Authority of Heaven


T
Tree: A person or a church.
*VERY Tall Tree or Palm tree: A great person of high status.


U
Umbrella: Protection


W
Walls: Blockades, Limits
Water: Holy Spirit
White(colour): Purity, Holiness
Widow: Husband will die/Church without Jesus Christ or Death of church’s Pastor.
Wife: Church/ Holy Spirit/ Your wife
Wig: Fake glory/Fake anointing/ Deceit.
Wolf: False Prophet/ A very pretentious and deceptive person
Woman: Witch/ Demon or Angel
Worm: Sin/ Carnal nature


Y
Yourself (another copy of yourself): Old man/ in the flesh.



This is just a basic guide to help in interpreting basic dreams. Dreams can carry more meaning than what has been listed here.
When you don’t understand a dream, first of all ask God (in faith) to give you its interpretation before you ask someone with the gift of interpretation to help you.

If you have not heard from God, feel free to ask someone who can help you interpret the dream.
If anyone seeks to know what a certain dream symbol may mean, please feel free to ask. I’m sure I and most of my brothers and sisters here will gladly love to help out.


God bless you all. May the peace of God continue to surround us in Jesus Name. Amen
Good night guys

Shalom

providence338:
Hello nnamdiosu,

1. There is no "rapture" as in the nonsense we've all seen from the movie "Left Behind". I used to believe that also until I began to read with more understanding. The so-called "rapture" and the resurrection are one and the same event. The dead in Yashuah will RISE FIRST (from the ground -- hence, no heaven) and the souls that are left alive will quicken, and we'll all be changed in a twinkle of an eye and meet our Ha'Maschiach in the AIR. We the saints will escort him back down here on earth (Hebrew style, they typically escorted their guests from afar ie the king meeting his prodigal son/mary meeting Yashuah, etc) and FIGHT, alongside the heavenly host, the devil's army with our new bodies. So no, there is no "rapture" in the sense that Yashuah will whisk the saints off somewhere, even David hasn't been to heaven (Acts 2:34). Our heaven will be right here on earth -- and no, I'm no Jehovah's Witness, but they got THAT part right.

2. There will be a mark, the Bible says so. I'll even add my belief that this will be a very literal outwardly showing and obvious mark, b/c that's the way satan works (tatoos, branding, etc). He'll want to make it obvious to the Most High that whoever took the mark did so very much knowingly so that the poor soul cannot be absolved come the day of Judgement. He's tricky like that...

3. The scriptures speak of the earth going through labor pains during the last days. So yes, things will only get worse until the return of the Messiah at the LAST trump. NOTE: That the Tribulation would have already been taking place BEFORE the last trump.

4. Per the Bible (not me), after the Return of the Messiah, the following events occur:

Armageddon
1000yr Millennial Reign of those that made the 1st Resurrection, with the Messiah ruling from Jerusalem (not "heaven"
Gog and Magog war at end of Millennial Reign
Great White Throne of Judgement (sheep and goats wake to 2nd Resurrection)
Satan and his goats will be thrown into Lake of Fire to join the anti christ and false prophet (pope)
Death and Hell thrown into the Lake of Fire
A new heaven and a new earth shall be established so that the Father who sits on the Thrown can come down to EARTH and New Jerusalem will
come down. No flesh shall dwell before the Father therein, only spirit bodies whose name was written in the Lamb's Book of Life

All these can be found in chronological order from Rev 19-22.

ps-- an angel bounds satan inside the bottomless pit for a 1000yrs in Rev 20. This is after Armageddon, clearly a future event. Satan ain't in hell, he's ruling from the second heaven scouring the earth seeking whom he can devour because he knows he has but a short time.

hi.
i expressly love your style of expressing your view points(using both humour and biblical points) its nice to finally see someone who might not 100% agree with your beliefs, but is very mature to maturely point them out. let me start with them as u ordered out

1. if what you say is true...then ist thes 4: 16 which says For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.
verse 17 says.... After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.
now according to you, the rapture and ressurection are one right? but resurrection gotten from the dictionary means.... Resurrection is the concept of a living being coming back to life after death. And rapture means to be caught up. so how can they both mean the same thing?
Paul clearly states that something (will certainly make dead bodies come out from the grave and we that alive alive will move up with speed faster than light to meet them up in the clouds.

NOW IN CASE YOU DONT KNOW, THERE WILL ACTUALLY BE TWO RESURRECTIONS. REV 20: 4 SAYS[b] Then I saw the thrones, and those seated on them had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image, and had not received its mark on their foreheads or hands. And they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. The rest of the dead did not come back to life until the thousand years were complete. This is the first resurrection.[/b] BROS THIS SIMPLY MEANS THAT SOME PEOPLE WHO DID NOT COLLECT THE MARK WILL ATTAIN THE RESSURECTION AFTER THEY HAVE DIED.
NOTE THE ...And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image, and had not received its mark on their foreheads or hands.
NOW CONCERNING THE PLACE YOU SAID OUR HEAVEN WILL BE RIGHT HERE ON EARTH, WHY THEN DID JESUS SAY TO HIS DISCIPLES THAT ..I GO TO PREPARE A PLACE FOR YOU, IN MY FATHER'S HOUSE, THERE ARE MANY MANSIONS. WHO NOW WILL INHERIT THOSE MANSIONS?

2. very likely, i believe so too

3. i agree with you but are u aware that the people who took the mark will first suffer some plagues on earth before their suffering begins properly on earth?? rev 16 vrs 1 and 2 says Then I heard a loud voice from the temple saying to the seven angels, “Go, pour out the seven bowls of God’s wrath on the earth.” 2 The first angel went and poured out his bowl on the land, and ugly, festering sores broke out on the people who had the mark of the beast and worshiped its image. so that then means that those who are true Christians would probably have BEEN TAKEN AWAY (OR RAPTURED) SO AS NOT TO PARTAKE FROM THESE GREAT PLAGUES BECAUSE THE BIBLE ALSO SAYS THAT THESE ARE GOD'S FINAL JUDGEMENT ON THE EARTH, AFTER THIS HE WONT BE ANGRY AGAIN. so its very likely that Gods own people would have been removed so as not to partake from his anger (final) (REV 15 vrs 1)

4. true.

ps: i know this sir, but i was actually referring to revelation 12:7[b] Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back.[/b] not satan's 1000 year bondage. Do u think its a future or past event.
learnt something from your post esp point 2. really appreciate the sharing of knowledge.
* back to ghost mode*

nnamdiosu:
hi.
i expressly love your style of expressing your view points(using both humour and biblical points) its nice to finally see someone who might not 100% agree with your beliefs, but is very mature to maturely point them out. let me start with them as u ordered out

1. if what you say is true...then ist thes 4: 16 which says For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.
verse 17 says.... After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.
now according to you, the rapture and ressurection are one right? but resurrection gotten from the dictionary means.... Resurrection is the concept of a living being coming back to life after death. And rapture means to be caught up. so how can they both mean the same thing?
Paul clearly states that something (will certainly make dead bodies come out from the grave and we that alive alive will move up with speed faster than light to meet them up in the clouds.

NOW IN CASE YOU DONT KNOW, THERE WILL ACTUALLY BE TWO RESURRECTIONS. REV 20: 4 SAYS[b] Then I saw the thrones, and those seated on them had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image, and had not received its mark on their foreheads or hands. And they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. The rest of the dead did not come back to life until the thousand years were complete. This is the first resurrection.[/b] BROS THIS SIMPLY MEANS THAT SOME PEOPLE WHO DID NOT COLLECT THE MARK WILL ATTAIN THE RESSURECTION AFTER THEY HAVE DIED.
NOTE THE ...And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image, and had not received its mark on their foreheads or hands.
NOW CONCERNING THE PLACE YOU SAID OUR HEAVEN WILL BE RIGHT HERE ON EARTH, WHY THEN DID JESUS SAY TO HIS DISCIPLES THAT ..I GO TO PREPARE A PLACE FOR YOU, IN MY FATHER'S HOUSE, THERE ARE MANY MANSIONS. WHO NOW WILL INHERIT THOSE MANSIONS?

2. very likely, i believe so too

3. i agree with you but are u aware that the people who took the mark will first suffer some plagues on earth before their suffering begins properly on earth?? rev 16 vrs 1 and 2 says Then I heard a loud voice from the temple saying to the seven angels, “Go, pour out the seven bowls of God’s wrath on the earth.” 2 The first angel went and poured out his bowl on the land, and ugly, festering sores broke out on the people who had the mark of the beast and worshiped its image. so that then means that those who are true Christians would probably have BEEN TAKEN AWAY (OR RAPTURED) SO AS NOT TO PARTAKE FROM THESE GREAT PLAGUES BECAUSE THE BIBLE ALSO SAYS THAT THESE ARE GOD'S FINAL JUDGEMENT ON THE EARTH, AFTER THIS HE WONT BE ANGRY AGAIN. so its very likely that Gods own people would have been removed so as not to partake from his anger (final) (REV 15 vrs 1)

4. true.

ps: i know this sir, but i was actually referring to revelation 12:7[b] Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back.[/b] not satan's 1000 year bondage. Do u think its a future or past event.
learnt something from your post esp point 2. really appreciate the sharing of knowledge.
* back to ghost mode*

Hello friend. Thank you for your kind words. I'm a lady, btw. Nice to make your acquaintance.

1. Please let me clarify that the resurrection and the rapture are the same EVENT, not "one and the same" in that sense - sorry for the poor choice of words. The dead in Yashuah will rise first (resurrection). Those who are still living at that point have SURVIVED the 3.5yr tribulation/hour of temptation and will be caught up in the clouds with the resurrected saints to meet Yashuah in the air (rapture). These are two separate "quickenings" if you will, that occur almost simultaneously.

The resurrected dead and the raptured living are BOTH caught up in the air, when? At the LAST trump (1 Cor 15:52).
This is the same trump heralding Yashuah's triumphant return and gathering his elect from the 4 corners of the earth or "heaven" (Matt 24:31),
When is the sound of this last trump? Messiah's coming? The resurrection? The rapture? ALL OF THESE EVENTS OCCUR IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION OF THOSE DAYS..... (Matt 24:29-31)

So you see, the so-called "rapture" is an event that occurs AFTER the tribulation. The pre-tribulation rapture doctrine is a lie that was peddled by the w/h/0/r/e of Babylon, the Roman Catholic church. This doctrine is dangerous b/c many will faint and lose heart when they don't see the Messiah come as they were led to believe and in fear, take that mark to their own damnation

Regarding "heaven", sometimes the the earth and its atmosphere/clouds, etc is referred to as "heaven" in the scriptures. Matt 24:31 tells you the Messiah will gather his elect from "heaven". Do you think that the resurrected dead and raptured saints will be gathered from the literal 3rd heaven based on this context? Yashuah himself tells you that no man hath ascended up to heaven (John 3:13). Our mansions will be right alongside the meek who shall inherit the EARTH, and the poor in spirit of whose is the Kingdom of Heaven. The meek on Earth won't be separated from poor in spirit, all of Yah's saints shall be neighbors with grand mansions in Yah's righteous kingdom which will be established here on Earth (Jer 23:5). Zechariah 9 and 14, Micah 4... these are just a few of several scriptures that detail Yashuah's reign --not in heaven, but on earth.

2. cool

3. Great point. The mystery of the 7 seals, 7 trumpets and 7 bowls is so exciting! These judgments are all connected in that the Seventh Seal introduces the Seven Trumpets, and the Seventh Trumpet introduces the Seven Bowls. Generally, I associate the Apocalypse or 4 horsemen with the Seals. Martyrdom and the mark of the beast occurs during the Trumpets. So yes, by the time the Seven Bowls occur, Yah's people have already been previously gathered by the 7th Trump. They haven't been "raptured" off to heaven though. I can't remember where, but I vaguely recall reading scriptures involving the saints (that's us) new bodies and all, will join the heavenly host with our ha Mashiach to make war with the wicked armies gathering in the Valley of Decision.

4. Ok, I see. The war in heaven described in Rev 12 seems to relay the epic battle of old. The greatest eviction known in time and space occurred a very long time ago, I don't think it will ever happen again

CharlyG1:
Hello Guys,

Many of us here reading this topic didn't just stumble upon it by mistake.. I welcome U all to share your spiritual experiences about seeing demons, spirits, angels or fallen angels. This would be a gift if you see these 3 all and may or may not be if U just see demons only.
The purpose of this thread is to expose the hidden works of satan & to counter attack his deceits.

I remember growing up as a child, i started to see spirits at age 11. The first spirit i saw was dressed up in a white long robe, looked so white, stood still and didn't utter a word to me. I could have taken him to be a real angel, but something didn't seem right to me, I somehow knew he wasn't real. I wasn't scared, my younger brother who was with me couldn't even see the spirit. It just stood still staring straight at me for about 3mins.. This happened at night maybe around 10pm, in my compound.

The next day while I was going to school, I fell so sick i almost died.. I was so weak it was difficult to walk and eat. I had to be brought home by one of my teachers.. Even when I told my family my story no one seemed to care or believe. And that's the problem with HSP's.. They're usually ignored.

As God would have it, almost at the brink of death, then God touched my parents and dey listened.. They prayed for me that i wud neva see such again but ever since then it's been worse (in a good way).. I even began to see spirits that looked human, ugly demons, even saw a demon inside a girl.. I began to know witches via revelations, have scary dreams, know what would happen in few minutes, hear evil thoughts from a person.. The good thing about it all is that I later knew why I was seeing and experiencing all these and also I saw an Angel and Jesus Himself, told me things about this..

Pls lets share our experiences here, You could be helping someone without knowing it. It's difficult to tell people these things in childhood or even as we grow, but it's easier to say it here, Let's edify ourselves. God bless U all

So wonderful to see this thread... what an experience.....how do you use this gifts to help people now...and how do you control it.

umehmj:
about demonic attacks, i have that on a regular. most recent one was in my dream. a huge scary creature like a Buffalo but bigger than an elephant charged @ me. one thing i have learnt with dealing with those is not to be afraid, so i stood in readiness, even though i was so tiny as regards our ratio. as it continued to charge towards me and seeing i didn't move, it's size began to shrink. surprisingly when it got to were i was it turned into my elder brother, apologizing to me that he was just playing. though i let it go i knew it wasn't my bro.


other times when they attack i will tell myself it's just a dream and then force myself up lol. sometimes when i very hot pursuit i just fly. I'm really awesome in flying in my sleep. though lately im beginning to get worried cos sometimes i just fly for flying sake -like say, i just wanna visit home. i would fly home, circle the compound and fly back. some people say it's associated with witchcraft, That's y it bothers me. i know im not a wizard but is this flying in sleep cool?

awesome

I fly too even when i was an atheist...... i remember one of those long dreams... i changed to an eagle and took a very high flight


is good to see this thread.

providence338:
Hello friend. Thank you for your kind words. I'm a lady, btw. Nice to make your acquaintance.

1. Please let me clarify that the resurrection and the rapture are the same EVENT, not "one and the same" in that sense - sorry for the poor choice of words. The dead in Yashuah will rise first (resurrection). Those who are still living at that point have SURVIVED the 3.5yr tribulation/hour of temptation and will be caught up in the clouds with the resurrected saints to meet Yashuah in the air (rapture). These are two separate "quickenings" if you will, that occur almost simultaneously.

The resurrected dead and the raptured living are BOTH caught up in the air, when? At the LAST trump (1 Cor 15:52).
This is the same trump heralding Yashuah's triumphant return and gathering his elect from the 4 corners of the earth or "heaven" (Matt 24:31),
When is the sound of this last trump? Messiah's coming? The resurrection? The rapture? ALL OF THESE EVENTS OCCUR IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION OF THOSE DAYS..... (Matt 24:29-31)

So you see, the so-called "rapture" is an event that occurs AFTER the tribulation. The pre-tribulation rapture doctrine is a lie that was peddled by the w/h/0/r/e of Babylon, the Roman Catholic church. This doctrine is dangerous b/c many will faint and lose heart when they don't see the Messiah come as they were led to believe and in fear, take that mark to their own damnation

Regarding "heaven", sometimes the the earth and its atmosphere/clouds, etc is referred to as "heaven" in the scriptures. Matt 24:31 tells you the Messiah will gather his elect from "heaven". Do you think that the resurrected dead and raptured saints will be gathered from the literal 3rd heaven based on this context? Yashuah himself tells you that no man hath ascended up to heaven (John 3:13). Our mansions will be right alongside the meek who shall inherit the EARTH, and the poor in spirit of whose is the Kingdom of Heaven. The meek on Earth won't be separated from poor in spirit, all of Yah's saints shall be neighbors with grand mansions in Yah's righteous kingdom which will be established here on Earth (Jer 23:5). Zechariah 9 and 14, Micah 4... these are just a few of several scriptures that detail Yashuah's reign --not in heaven, but on earth.

2. cool

3. Great point. The mystery of the 7 seals, 7 trumpets and 7 bowls is so exciting! These judgments are all connected in that the Seventh Seal introduces the Seven Trumpets, and the Seventh Trumpet introduces the Seven Bowls. Generally, I associate the Apocalypse or 4 horsemen with the Seals. Martyrdom and the mark of the beast occurs during the Trumpets. So yes, by the time the Seven Bowls occur, Yah's people have already been previously gathered in the 7th Trump. They haven't been "raptured" off to heaven though. I can't remember where, but I vaguely recall reading scriptures involving the saints (that's us) new bodies and all, will join the heavenly host with our ha Mashiach to make war the wicked armies gathering in the Valley of Decision.

4. Ok, I see. The war in heaven described in Rev 12 seems to relay the epic battle of old. The greatest eviction known in time and space occurred a very long time ago, I don't think it will ever happen again

Smile. Thanks for your time and all. Really learnt a lot from you (even if I didn't totally accept sha ) I wish every Christian with different point of views could maturedly discuss and exchange point of views like that. God bless you plenty.

providence338:
Hello friend. Thank you for your kind words. I'm a lady, btw. Nice to make your acquaintance.

1. Please let me clarify that the resurrection and the rapture are the same EVENT, not "one and the same" in that sense - sorry for the poor choice of words. The dead in Yashuah will rise first (resurrection). Those who are still living at that point have SURVIVED the 3.5yr tribulation/hour of temptation and will be caught up in the clouds with the resurrected saints to meet Yashuah in the air (rapture). These are two separate "quickenings" if you will, that occur almost simultaneously.

The resurrected dead and the raptured living are BOTH caught up in the air, when? At the LAST trump (1 Cor 15:52).
This is the same trump heralding Yashuah's triumphant return and gathering his elect from the 4 corners of the earth or "heaven" (Matt 24:31),
When is the sound of this last trump? Messiah's coming? The resurrection? The rapture? ALL OF THESE EVENTS OCCUR IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION OF THOSE DAYS..... (Matt 24:29-31)

So you see, the so-called "rapture" is an event that occurs AFTER the tribulation. The pre-tribulation rapture doctrine is a lie that was peddled by the w/h/0/r/e of Babylon, the Roman Catholic church. This doctrine is dangerous b/c many will faint and lose heart when they don't see the Messiah come as they were led to believe and in fear, take that mark to their own damnation

Regarding "heaven", sometimes the the earth and its atmosphere/clouds, etc is referred to as "heaven" in the scriptures. Matt 24:31 tells you the Messiah will gather his elect from "heaven". Do you think that the resurrected dead and raptured saints will be gathered from the literal 3rd heaven based on this context? Yashuah himself tells you that no man hath ascended up to heaven (John 3:13). Our mansions will be right alongside the meek who shall inherit the EARTH, and the poor in spirit of whose is the Kingdom of Heaven. The meek on Earth won't be separated from poor in spirit, all of Yah's saints shall be neighbors with grand mansions in Yah's righteous kingdom which will be established here on Earth (Jer 23:5). Zechariah 9 and 14, Micah 4... these are just a few of several scriptures that detail Yashuah's reign --not in heaven, but on earth.

2. cool

3. Great point. The mystery of the 7 seals, 7 trumpets and 7 bowls is so exciting! These judgments are all connected in that the Seventh Seal introduces the Seven Trumpets, and the Seventh Trumpet introduces the Seven Bowls. Generally, I associate the Apocalypse or 4 horsemen with the Seals. Martyrdom and the mark of the beast occurs during the Trumpets. So yes, by the time the Seven Bowls occur, Yah's people have already been previously gathered in the 7th Trump. They haven't been "raptured" off to heaven though. I can't remember where, but I vaguely recall reading scriptures involving the saints (that's us) new bodies and all, will join the heavenly host with our ha Mashiach to make war the wicked armies gathering in the Valley of Decision.

4. Ok, I see. The war in heaven described in Rev 12 seems to relay the epic battle of old. The greatest eviction known in time and space occurred a very long time ago, I don't think it will ever happen again

Hmmmm interestingly Cool. But please was all this learnt from your private study of the Word with the Holy Spirit or you went to a bible school / college where you were taught. Just an innocent question, I actually have nothing to add or remove from your post. I am just observing and learning at the same time

Btw@ nnamdiosu. Nice one bro, am learning

JMG1:
Hmmmm interestingly Cool. But please was all this learnt from your private study of the Word with the Holy Spirit or you went to a bible school / college where you were taught. Just an innocent question, I actually have nothing to add or remove from your post. I am just observing and learning at the same time

Btw@ nnamdiosu. Nice one bro, am learning

Thanks bro. How r u?

nnamdiosu:
hi sir? or ma?

ive been on ghost mode since but wen i read ur post, i decided to shake of ghost mode dust. i have some questions. i have some observations. i have some truths/facts and i have some personal belief for you (or anyone interested) i want verified/ proven/questioned/corrected. In essence i intend picking on ur above post and making another topic on it (but not derailing this thread, hop i'm making sense?)

based on what you wrote aboe, i believe, that you believe that
1. there will be no rapture
2. there will be no mark giving period
3. that things will get badder and worser (permit my English) till we Jesus comes ?
4. after Jesus comes, the 1000 year reign comes, then, (according to you what next?)

please note that this is nor sarcasm. i honestly want your point of view. i will explain afTer your reply then you will understand why.
LASTLY I HAVE A VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION THAT WILL DETERMINE A LOT IN OUR NEXT DISCUSSION. THE PLACE IN REVELATION WHERE ANGEL MICHEAL BATTLES WITH THE ANCIENT SERPENT. IS IT A FUTURE OCCURRENCE OR A PAST OCCURRENCE?

looking forward to your reply sir/ma. thanks

Pls mention me as you go on.

Lamasta:
AFTER RAPTURE...

Appetite for marriage will die.

Appetite for job will die.

Appetite for material things [cars, houses,
degrees...] will die.

Appetite for admission will die.

Appetite to be the Nigerian president will die...

Men of God [pastors, deacons, bishops] that missed it will be ashamed to come out from their houses because of shame of their members seeing them.

Christians [children of God] that missed it will equally be ashamed to go close to those unbelievers they preached to but never gave heed to their message.

I mean after rapture, those who loved motivational messages more, will dislike them with passion and shall seek love for messages of salvation.

Beloved after rapture, grace on its own accord will expire here on earth. Spiritual gifts shall be no more because there will be no Holy Spirit to manifest them.

Those who were not raptured will take home the belongings of those that where raptured if
peradventure it happened in a church service.

Those who never believed in rapture shall then
believe but it must have become too late. I reiterate that *after rapture*, those that missed it shall cry hysterically. Many people would love to repent....It is only sin that has what it takes to drop any man on that day

"Let us therefore lay aside every weight and sin that doth so easily beset us" - Hebrew 12:1
IT IS THEREFORE BETTER TO BE IN THE RAPTURE THAN TO WATCH IT HAPPEN
HOW PREPARED ARE YOU?

May i not be found wanting oh Lord.

nnamdiosu:
Thanks bro. How r u?

Very well bro. All Glory to God. The Lord is about to manifest His Glory on all saints in an unusual way especially in this recession period. Very soon we will start hearing and reading testimonies of God's goodness in every part of the country. We will hear testimonies and marvel at God's greatness,even on this trend . This is the time when God love to reveal His power and glory to the unbelievers and the world and am just soooo excited about it.
Psalm: 37. 19. In times of disaster they will not wither; in days of famine they will enjoy plenty. -

The days are here bro, let's all rejoice in the Holy Ghost as we await the Lord's goodness. 2017 will be a year of total rest with God meeting the needs of the saints even before the end of this year, miracles are bound to happen.

Halleluyah.....

providence338:
Hello nnamdiosu,

1. There is no "rapture" as in the nonsense we've all seen from the movie "Left Behind". I used to believe that also until I began to read with more understanding. The so-called "rapture" and the resurrection are one and the same event. The dead in Yashuah will RISE FIRST (from the ground -- hence, no heaven) and the souls that are left alive will quicken, and we'll all be changed in a twinkle of an eye and meet our Ha'Maschiach in the AIR. We the saints will escort him back down here on earth (Hebrew style, they typically escorted their guests from afar ie the king meeting his prodigal son/mary meeting Yashuah, etc) and FIGHT, alongside the heavenly host, the devil's army with our new bodies. So no, there is no "rapture" in the sense that Yashuah will whisk the saints off somewhere, even David hasn't been to heaven (Acts 2:34). Our heaven will be right here on earth -- and no, I'm no Jehovah's Witness, but they got THAT part right.

2. There will be a mark, the Bible says so. I'll even add my belief that this will be a very literal outwardly showing and obvious mark, b/c that's the way satan works (tatoos, branding, etc). He'll want to make it obvious to the Most High that whoever took the mark did so very much knowingly so that the poor soul cannot be absolved come the day of Judgement. He's tricky like that...

3. The scriptures speak of the earth going through labor pains during the last days. So yes, things will only get worse until the return of the Messiah at the LAST trump. NOTE: That the Tribulation would have already been taking place BEFORE the last trump.

4. Per the Bible (not me), after the Return of the Messiah, the following events occur:

Armageddon
1000yr Millennial Reign of those that made the 1st Resurrection, with the Messiah ruling from Jerusalem (not "heaven"
Gog and Magog war at end of Millennial Reign
Great White Throne of Judgement (sheep and goats wake to 2nd Resurrection)
Satan and his goats will be thrown into Lake of Fire to join the anti christ and false prophet (pope)
Death and Hell thrown into the Lake of Fire
A new heaven and a new earth shall be established so that the Father who sits on the Thrown can come down to EARTH and New Jerusalem will
come down. No flesh shall dwell before the Father therein, only spirit bodies whose name was written in the Lamb's Book of Life

All these can be found in chronological order from Rev 19-22.

ps-- an angel bounds satan inside the bottomless pit for a 1000yrs in Rev 20. This is after Armageddon, clearly a future event. Satan ain't in hell, he's ruling from the second heaven scouring the earth seeking whom he can devour because he knows he has but a short time.

Pls let me call in some brethren to help us treat this topic because what am seeing here needs proper treatment

Brother Charles.
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Butterflylion.

Anas09:
Pls let me call in some brethren to help us treat this topic because what am seeing here needs proper treatment

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Scholar
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Felixomor.
Butterflylion.

My take on rapture is a little bit unconventional.

I stick to the sequence of events as described by Jesus in Matthew 24;

A time of persecution, false prophets, disasters, wars rumors of wars, betrayals, persecution, falling away etc

And then a great tribulation
And then the appearance of Jesus.

But Jesus clearly makes us to understand that these events are subject individually to the prayers of saints and unfolding of events,

Hence the need for vigilance.

Shalom

Anas09:
Pls let me call in some brethren to help us treat this topic because what am seeing here needs proper treatment

Brother Charles.
Abeg where Oyeludef nah?
4everGod
Gombs
Scholar
Joeagbaje
Jcross
Image123
I can't believe i can lose Warrior1 like this.
Promise10
Felixomor.
Butterflylion.

Goodevening sis. I am kuku here just a little bit too engaged lately. Please let me take my time to catch up on wat i av missed. I will respond latest tomorrow

felixomor:
My take on rapture is a little bit unconventional.

I stick to the sequence of events as described by Jesus in Matthew 24;

A time of persecution, false prophets, disasters, wars rumors of wars, betrayals, persecution, falling away etc

And then a great tribulation
And then the appearance of Jesus.

But Jesus clearly makes us to understand that these events are subject individually to the prayers of saints and unfolding of events,

Hence the need for vigilance.

Shalom

I can't see you addressing the part when the dead in christ rises, the living in christ gets caught up. You didnt mention the part where untold hardship comes on the people of the earth when the saints are taken away from the earth.
Do you believe in the Person of the Antichrist who would take over the rulership of the earth, when the church is taken away? Do you believe in a visible Mark of the beast, Or it's also an allegory as most people keep saying.

oyeludef:
Goodevening sis. I am kuku here just a little bit too engaged lately. Please let me take my time to catch up on wat i av missed. I will respond latest tomorrow

Okay. Good to know you are still here. Its Superior1 that i can't find.

urheme:


awesome

I fly too even when i was an atheist...... i remember one of those long dreams... i changed to an eagle and took a very high flight


is good to see this thread.

Urheme, abeg u still dey fly?

Anas09:
I can't see you addressing the part when the dead in christ rises, the living in christ gets caught up. You didnt mention the part where untold hardship comes on the people of the earth when the saints are taken away from the earth.
Do you believe in the Person of the Antichrist who would take over the rulership of the earth, when the church is taken away? Do you believe in a visible Mark of the beast, Or it's also an allegory as most people keep saying.

Yes, all the these u have mentioned falls in before the appearance of Jesus.

At the appearance of Jesus, the saints will get caught up and that is where the dead in Christ will rise.

Hello Guys,

I'm sorry i've been MIA for many days now.
I will be free by this weekend (Saturday).

I encourage everyone to come and join us in God's presence here on Saturday (Christmas eve). I'll be teaching and sharing God's word here on that day. I know a lot of us are very busy these days, and we shall be much more busy eating our Christmas chicken and rice on 25th. Lol.


So I encourage us to sacrifice a few moment of our time to be here on 24th. Please the date is very significant. The year is coming to an end. So many bad things are happening all over the world, people are dying unnatural deaths at an alarming rate, but God has kept us all alive. Hallelujah!


I heard on CNN today about some deaths in Germany caused by a truck, I heard about some deaths also in Mexico caused by fireworks. Everyday, it's one sad news or the other. The world is in ruins because people do not know their God.


We should be thankful to God for being alive and well, so I encourage everyone to put up a word on the thread on 24th. Share a testimony, share a prayer, share an exhortation, share an experience etc. This would please God greatly I tell you. I feel it strongly in my heart.


May the grace of God abide with us all in Jesus Name. Amen


For those who sent me emails, I've seen them and I'll reply you tonight. I will reply all other post directed to me on Saturday.

God bless you all. Have a goodnight rest.

felixomor:
Yes, all the these u have mentioned falls in before the appearance of Jesus.

At the appearance of Jesus, the saints will get caught up and that is where the dead in Christ will rise.

No sir. Jesus appears once. The Trumpet sounds, the dead rises, the living gets cut off to meet Jesus IN THE AIR (He does not come down). Afterwards the PERSON OF THE ANTICHRIST TAKES OVER the worlds government. MILE TRIBULATION BEGINS. For 3 and half years. He will win many to himself using peaceful policies.

The remaining 3 and half years, he declares himslef God and demands open worship. The Jews will denounce him and cast him out of their temple. The Fake Peaceful Mask will be taken off, the real beast will be known.
The Mark of the beast becomes fully operational at this point.

The Persecution of the Jews will begin. At this point, the dispensation of the Jewish Nation (Grace) commences.

At the close of the 3 and hald years, Jesus returns with the saints, Michael puts satan in chains for 1000 years.

After the 1000 years, satan gets freedom, he rallies around and mobilizes his hordes for war agsisnt Christ(Armageddon), no one will even fight at that war. because only with the Word, the Master will defeat him.

Afterwards, the white thrown Judgment.

Anas09:
No sir. Jesus appears once. The Trumpet sounds, the dead rises, the living gets cut off to meet Jesus IN THE AIR (He does not come down). Afterwards the PERSON OF THE ANTICHRIST TAKES OVER the worlds government. MILE TRIBULATION BEGINS. For 3 and half years. He will win many to himself using peaceful policies.

The remaining 3 and half years, he declares himslef God and demands open worship. The Jews will denounce him and cast him out of their temple. The Fake Peaceful Mask will be taken off, the real beast will be known.
The Mark of the beast becomes fully operational at this point.

The Persecution of the Jews will begin. At this point, the dispensation of the Jewish Nation (Grace) commences.

At the close of the 3 and hald years, Jesus returns with the saints, Michael puts satan in chains for 1000 years.

After the 1000 years, satan gets freedom, he rallies around and mobilizes his hordes for war agsisnt Christ(Armageddon), no one will even fight at that war. because only with the Word, the Master will defeat him.

Afterwards, the white thrown Judgment.

Hmmm...
I would have liked if u annotate this explanation side by side Matthew 24.
But it may. Take long
I guess this topic is better discussed than written.

Anas09:
May i not be found wanting oh Lord.

Amen Sis none of us that takes the work of God serious will be found wanting in Jesus name

Anas09:
Pls let me call in some brethren to help us treat this topic because what am seeing here needs proper treatment

Brother Charles.
Abeg where Oyeludef nah?
4everGod
Gombs
Scholar
Joagbaje
Jcross
Image123
I can't believe i can lose Warrior1 like this.
Promise10
Felixomor.
Butterflylion.

There had been 3 major schools of thoughts on the time of the rapture and they all have bible reference . But comparing scripture with scripture we can see the facts that seems most scriptural . But the idea. Of no rapture doesn't make bible sense .

Joagbaje:
There had been 3 major schools of thoughts on the time of the rapture and they all have bible reference . But comparing scripture with scripture we can see the facts that seems most scriptural . But the idea. Of no rapture doesn't make bible sense .

Ok.sir.

Lamasta:
Amen Sis none of us that takes the work of God serious will be found wanting in Jesus name

Amen oo

felixomor:
Hmmm...
I would have liked if u annotate this explanation side by side Matthew 24.
But it may. Take long
I guess this topic is better discussed than written.

Yea, what i did there is a summary.

I learned a great deal from you as well -- thanks for clarifying that the Seven Bowls of judgment occur AFTER the resurrection/rapture of the saints. This was an area your post prompted me to study a bit more. For my own understanding, I tried to lay out the following general sequence of events:

7 Seals <---- Apocalyptic events begin to occur; 4 horsemen revealed (Rev Chp 6)
<---- The 144,000 young virgin Hebrew men will emerge during this time (Rev 7:4) to encourage the saints and preach the gospel


7 Trumpets <----- 42 mo Great Tribulation/Mark of the Beast occurs towards the end of this period (Rev 13:5)
<----- 42 mo ministry of the 2 witnesses during same period to (Rev 11:3,10)
<----- The remnant of the seed of Israel will be nurtured in the wilderness for 3.5yrs (Rev 12:6). This remnant is the church of Smyrna, those fortunate enough to be spared during the hour of temptation (Rev 3:10). I believe this is the same remnant that will also make that miraculous second exodus described in Isaiah 11:11-16. The beast seeks to destroy these people and because he can't, he'll unleash his wrath on the saints.
<---- Resurrection/Rapture of the Saints takes place at the sound of the LAST TRUMP (1 Cor 15:52)

7 Bowls of Wrath <--- (Rev Chp 16). Notice everyone receiving the Bowls of Wrath are those who took the mark. Armageddon concludes this period of the Bowls of Wrath. We will join our Messiah and the angels to exact judgement on the wicked rulers of this world (Rev 17:14), and pour out the blood of the wicked up to the horse's bridle (Rev 14:20).

I literally just did a study on this as I was typing. I had only a vague understanding on the topic of the Seals, Trumpets and Bowls, but our exchange has brought me more clarity. Feel free to provide any feedback/corrections as you see fit (with scripture of course, lol). I pray this edifies you as it has for me!

nnamdiosu:
Smile. Thanks for your time and all. Really learnt a lot from you (even if I didn't totally accept sha ) I wish every Christian with different point of views could maturedly discuss and exchange point of views like that. God bless you plenty.

Hello. I'm just another enthusiastic disciple of Yah and his Word, like most everybody else on this thread
One thing I've learned is that the Bible interprets itself just fine. So I try to study to show myself approved, line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little, there a little. And believe on the Holy Spirit to guide me into all truth.

Believe me when I say the average seminary school is part of the "beast system".

JMG1:
Hmmmm interestingly Cool. But please was all this learnt from your private study of the Word with the Holy Spirit or you went to a bible school / college where you were taught. Just an innocent question, I actually have nothing to add or remove from your post. I am just observing and learning at the same time

Btw@ nnamdiosu. Nice one bro, am learning