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Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 1:55pm On Dec 29, 2016
Mitsubishi F-2 carrying 4 Type 88 Anti-Ship missiles. These missiles have a 50 km range and a 150 kg warhead.

Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 1:55pm On Dec 29, 2016
F-2 carrying AAM-4 (light blue) and AAM-3 (dark blue) air to air missiles. The AAM-4 is a radar guided missile with a range of 100+ km and the AAM-3 is IR guided with a 30+ km range.

Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 2:02pm On Dec 29, 2016
Mitsubishi X-2 Shinshin

the sleeping jap has finally awakened grin grin grin grin

look at the engine nozzles appendage (paddle like thing ), damn what is it ?

Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 2:12pm On Dec 29, 2016
gentuulmen comaradessss parotriots etc grin

(since no ladies visit this thread even by mistake grin )

i will be absent for 2-5 weeks

so plz feel free to post and keep the thread alive

or if u dont have any pics to post then move ur bum to atleast post pics of pretty military chicks(real/model)
grin
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by giles14(m): 2:28pm On Dec 29, 2016
ai captain
enjoy ur leave
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by chinese8107: 4:06pm On Dec 29, 2016
NickleTheory:
Maybe in 2018/19 I don't think it will be next year, most likely 19.

There's money to be made from a war.
what money can make? selling weapons?

China's corrupted officals has no balls to fight taiwan,their miliray capability has to deal with a dozen countries.Fighting Taiwan could gain almost 0 domestic support,and no ally for sure.
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by chinese8107:
bidexiii:
India Tests Long-Range Nuclear Missile that Can Hit Targets in China


http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/india/2016/india-161226-voa01.htm?_m=3n%2e002a%2e1899%2ewz0ao06u3j%2e1qv3
https://s2.freebeacon.com/up/2014/06/DF-41.jpg
China has DF-41 ICBM that can hit almost any target on earth with 10 nuclear capable warheads.But again CCP has no balls to use,they only interested in maintaining their rule on China. grin
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 6:05pm On Dec 29, 2016
before i log off .........

an interesting news
given the tests of anti-satellite missiles (ASAT) by the neighboring country including impending ones

India will test its anti-satellite missile system (ASAT) soon ( how soon dont know grin ), code named 'ekalavya' (also not sure about the name though grin )

slides of anti satellite missiles (ASAT) were previously shown few years ago during a seminar.


HAPPY NEW YEARS GUYS !!!!!!!

Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Tochex101(m): 6:16pm On Dec 29, 2016
nemesis2u:
before i log off .........

an interesting news
given the tests of anti-satellite missiles (ASAT) by the neighboring country including impending ones

India will test its anti-satellite missile system (ASAT) soon ( how soon dont know grin ), code named 'ekalavya' (also not sure about the name though grin )

slides of anti satellite missiles (ASAT) were previously shown few years ago during a seminar.


HAPPY NEW YEARS GUYS !!!!!!!
Adios!
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Odunayaw(m): 9:00pm On Dec 29, 2016
nemesis2u:
run run the japs r coming grin

maneuver combat vehicle
a wheeled tank destroyer on an 8×8 chassis equipped with a 105 mm gun
reminds me of the Rooikat
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by MikeCZA: 9:30pm On Dec 29, 2016
nemesis2u:
The Swedish defense company SAAB and Indian company Tata Power Strategic Engineering Division (Tata Power SED) have started the process of manufacturing Self-Protection Systems for Land-based Platforms, for the Indian market and for export to SAAB’s global market.

According to the company’s’ announcement, the partnership will also involve joint development of the next generation Self-Protection System. ‘The process of Transfer of Technology for production of initial orders for SAAB’s global customers has already commenced at Tata Power SED.’s facility in Bangalore.’ Saab announced, Tata Power SED will eventually manufacture a large part of the system in India and also do final assembly. Tata will also be responsible for marketing the system in India.

At Defexpo 2016 Tata displayed a model of T-90 fitted with LEDS 150 active protection system, comprising radar sensors and traversable countermeasure dispensers designed to protect the tank from anti-tank missiles and RPGs.

http://defense-update.com/20160330_leds_india.html

until now, LEDS has been manufactured by Saab's South African subsidiary Saab Grintek Defence, with the new deal marking the first time the system will be produced not only in India but anywhere outside of South Africa. The Indian LEDS 50 units will initially be manufactured at Tata Power SED's eleven-acre manufacturing facility in Bangalore.
Denel Dynamics Mongoose missile.

Development in the freezer cause the army lacks funds.

Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by MikeCZA: 9:38pm On Dec 29, 2016
nemesis2u:
ATAGS firing in howitzer mode
Based on the FH77/A 155mm howitzer?
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 9:49pm On Dec 29, 2016
chinese8107:
what money can make? selling weapons?

China's corrupted officals has no balls to fight taiwan,their miliray capability has to deal with a dozen countries.Fighting Taiwan could gain almost 0 domestic support,and no ally for sure.
I was looking at it from an American perspective, I doubt if the Chinese need Allies to go for a war against Taiwan...The real problem would be the repercussions from capturing Taiwan.
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by chinese8107:
NickleTheory:
I was looking at it from an American perspective, I doubt if the Chinese need Allies to go for a war against Taiwan...The real problem would be the repercussions from capturing Taiwan.
do you really believe in those propaganda?Even China doesn't want see a Syria mode Taiwan, nobody can gurrantee it won't if CCP try to rule Taiwan
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 6:34pm On Dec 30, 2016
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by bidexiii: 8:33am On Jan 02, 2017
Russia Has a Super Torpedo That Kills Submarines at 200 Miles Per Hour (And America Can't Match It)


Imagine the sudden revelation of a weapon that can suddenly go six times faster than its predecessors. The shock of such a breakthrough system would turn an entire field of warfare on its head, as potential adversaries scrambled to deploy countermeasures to a new weapon they are defenseless against. While a lull in great power competition delayed the impact of this new technology, the so-called “supercavitating torpedo” may be about to take the world by storm.

read more....
http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/russia-has-super-torpedo-kills-submarines-200-miles-per-hour-18917
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 11:09am On Jan 06, 2017
New frigate for Vietnam ordered from Russia

Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by tdayof(m): 7:54pm On Jan 07, 2017
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 12:52am On Jan 09, 2017
grin cheesy grin cheesy

Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody:
MikeCZA:
Based on the FH77/A 155mm howitzer?
to me it seems superficially ATAGS inherits some design philosophy as found in bofors/dhanush , but overall it is a totally different system designed and built from scratch.

2 companies , TATA has built one prototype and KALYANI has built another prototype.

still waiting for the final product

PS: DHANUSH 155MM 45 CALIBER AND DHANUSH 155MM 52 CALIBER is based on FH77/A 155mm howitzer

1st picture ATAGS

2nd picture DHANUSH 155MM 52 CAL

3rd and 4th picture DHANUSH 155MM 45 CAL

Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody:
kikuyu1:
Sometimes we get fixated on the shiny gray of strategic assets and their employment. How to use SSNs or SSKs, a flight of Su 35s or whether transport 130s should be converted into the AC version. These are all viable questions but occasionally we overlook the most obvious which is also the most subtle.
Many have wondered how tiny Rwanda overran massive DRC and even invaded the CAR at one point. Their RPF while wayyyyy overrated hasn't really been taxed by local opposing militaries. The Tutsis with their long term agenda to control the whole Great Lakes have a secret weapon as powerful as a squad of Spets.
Their women!!
Often 6 footers their eye watering hotness and loyalty has made them an intrinsic part of the Tutsi arsenal. I've fu-err,(cough!/cough!),uhm,seen several and this is the look.


They can and DO get into places even specops wouldn't dare! In fact there's a special custom the only one I've heard.

Gasssppp!! This is a shocker. I first heard of it around 2001 and is common knowledge in the DRC and Uganda.



Not all strategic assets cost hundreds of millions of dollars needing hours of training-some assets are borne! Wish we had a Ugandan here to confirm what I know is true.
Nemesis2u,do you have anything like this in your parts?
yeah used to in older times

in india there were many warrior tribes/races with weird customs, born only for fighting and killing but no unity , so end result everybody got fuuked grin
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 5:59pm On Jan 09, 2017
kabe1:
And who says the MI-35M can't conduct DEAD and SEAD missions, you? The MI-35M carries ATGMs and Anti-Air missiles. It is faster, heavier, proven and an advanced combat system.

Improvements have been made in the MI-35m which include main and tail rotor improvements for it to operate effectively in Mountainous and high altitude environments. Afghan helos operate in those environments without incidence.
where did i say that ?

not every country can afford dedicated AH, so they will make best use of what they have.

MI35 is fitted for and carries ATGMS/AAMs but MI35 is not optimized for dedicated attack helicopter roles.

if i don't have a dedicated AH , then i will use my MI35 for DEAD missions but my chances of achieving my mission goals will be comparatively less than while using a dedicated attack helicopter for the same mission.

parameter is know as mission success rate , it is used for war gaming stimulation / pre mission planning

same reason why the Russians have MI28 and KA series helicopters in the primary role of dedicated attack helicopter .

even tucanos carry PGMS , AAMs etc so why buy dedicated fighters like F16 SU30 ETC , i hope u see my point and ur flawed reasoning .

also what ever improvements r made to a platform is still restricted/dictated by the baseline design (with few exceptions where there r deep redesigns)
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Odunayaw(m): 6:08pm On Jan 09, 2017
nemesis2u:
grin cheesy grin cheesy
wat make
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 6:12pm On Jan 09, 2017
Odunayaw:
wat make
company name is JCBL which provides armoring solutions
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 6:30pm On Jan 09, 2017
kabe1:
Your article clearly states upgraded MI-24s. I'm saying the Russians are buying more and more new build MI-35m's. Most of the attack helicopter combat sorties in Syria are carried out by MI-24/MI-35m helicopters.


My point has been that all of them are attack helicopters. The MI-24 carrying a small load doesn't negate this fact. The MI-28 can also carry 3 extra men, does this mean it's not a dedicated attack helicopter, like some of you gentlemen would like to claim?
MI28 has space for 3 extra men , but point is these space is not normally utilized.

this provision was made for a specific purpose that is for combat search and rescue operations (CSAR)

MI28 is a dedicated attack helicopter , it will go where even MI35 wont venture .

so if a aircrew is shot down over hostile territory where the enemy has considerable ground/air defence assets , then the MI28 will fly in as ATTACK HELICOPTER but with the secondary role of CSAR , it will stuff the rescued aircrew upto 3 into the hatch specifically designed for the purpose .

however with the additional men it will have to shed some of its weapons loads to make up for the additional weight. most probably one MI28 will act in CSAR role while other MI28s will provide cover / escort / scout roles in heavily threat / defended areas wink
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by kabe1: 8:34pm On Jan 09, 2017
nemesis2u:
where did i say that ?

not every country can afford dedicated AH, so they will make best use of what they have.

MI35 is fitted for and carries ATGMS/AAMs but MI35 is not optimized for dedicated attack helicopter roles.

if i don't have a dedicated AH , then i will use my MI35 for DEAD missions but my chances of achieving my mission goals will be comparatively less than while using a dedicated attack helicopter for the same mission.

parameter is know as mission success rate , it is used for war gaming stimulation / pre mission planning

same reason why the Russians have MI28 and KA series helicopters in the primary role of dedicated attack helicopter .

even tucanos carry PGMS , AAMs etc so why buy dedicated fighters like F16 SU30 ETC , i hope u see my point and ur flawed reasoning .

also what ever improvements r made to a platform is still restricted/dictated by the baseline design (with few exceptions where there r deep redesigns)
What sort of a silly comparison are you making with the Tucano? Does the Tucano produce 27,560 lbf of power from it's engine?



The Rooivalk produces 1,904 shp of power from each engine, while the MI-35m produces 2 200 hp of power from one of it's 2 engines. The MI-35m produces more power than the Rooivalk.


There is nothing like a dedicated attack role. The MI-35m is an attack helicopter just like the Rooivalk, MI-28, KA-52, Apache, Euro Tiger. It can perform all the roles these helicopters can perform and is significantly better than the Rooivalk.


The Russians in Syria use the MI-35m/MI-24 for over 65% of their combat missions. Despite having KA-52's and MI-28s deployed.

Improvements made in the MI-35m vastly improves the capabilities of the helicopter. This is why the Venezuelan Air Force also went for the MI-35m.


I'm sorry, but you're making no reasonable point.
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by kabe1:
nemesis2u:
MI28 has space for 3 extra men , but point is these space is not normally utilized.

this provision was made for a specific purpose that is for combat search and rescue operations (CSAR)

MI28 is a dedicated attack helicopter , it will go where even MI35 wont venture .

so if a aircrew is shot down over hostile territory where the enemy has considerable ground/air defence assets , then the MI28 will fly in as ATTACK HELICOPTER but with the secondary role of CSAR , it will stuff the rescued aircrew upto 3 into the hatch specifically designed for the purpose .

however with the additional men it will have to shed some of its weapons loads to make up for the additional weight. most probably one MI28 will act in CSAR role while other MI28s will provide cover / escort / scout roles in heavily threat / defended areas wink
Dude, it doesn't matter what the space is there for. The fact is the MI-28 can carry 5 soldiers. So according to your widely hilarious descriptions, it is not a dedicated attack helicopter.


The Conflict in Syria simply proves otherwise. The MI-35 carries out most of the combat sorties in an active combat zone with enemies known to possess Manpads.

When the Russian Sukhoi Su-24 "Fencer" bomber was shot down in Syria. The Russians sent in an MI-8 to retrieve the pilots and an MI-24 for escort/cover/scout in a contested hostile airspace. Again, this scenario blows away your assertions.
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by kabe1: 8:45pm On Jan 09, 2017
The MI-35m is significantly better than the Rooivalk, and as African defence enthusiasts, we(Nigerians) are extremely glad we possess an attack helicopter that has no match in sub-Saharan Africa.
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by tdayof(m): 9:11pm On Jan 09, 2017
MI35 is Primarily designed for attack missions, and a secondary capability enabling military transport missions. I don't know why you are all saying the Mi-35 isn't a dedicated attack helicopter. Its transport capability is an added advantage and not a disadvantage.
The Mi-35 is a combat helicopter primarily and will always be, with transport duties a secondary function.
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by MikeCZA: 11:01pm On Jan 09, 2017
kabe1:
What sort of a silly comparison are you making with the Tucano? Does the Tucano produce 27,560 lbf of power from it's engine?



The Rooivalk produces 1,904 shp of power from each engine, while the MI-35m produces 2 200 hp of power from one of it's 2 engines. The MI-35m produces more power than the Rooivalk.


There is nothing like a dedicated attack role. The MI-35m is an attack helicopter just like the Rooivalk, MI-28, KA-52, Apache, Euro Tiger. It can perform all the roles these helicopters can perform and is significantly better than the Rooivalk.


The Russians in Syria use the MI-35m/MI-24 for over 65% of their combat missions. Despite having KA-52's and MI-28s deployed.

Improvements made in the MI-35m vastly improves the capabilities of the helicopter. This is why the Venezuelan Air Force also went for the MI-35m.


I'm sorry, but you're making no reasonable point.
The primary role of aircraft like Apache, Rooivalk, Z-10 etc is to conduct airstrikes.

Analogy: Main battle tanks and Infantry fighting vehicles.

The role of tanks is to provide direct fire.

Infantry fighting vehicles carry troops to the battle and provide fire support.

Infantry fighting vehicles can offer some of the capabilities offered by tanks but will lack in areas such armour protection, fire power etc.

END!


The Hind design philosophy is similar to Infantry fighting vehicles by carrying troops then unlike utility helicopters or APCs which will retreat back from the front line. The Hind will drop it's payload and continue the supporting the troops.

This characteristic means the aircraft silhouette is increased.

Mi-28 is a dedicated attack helicopter the inclusion of a small space for personnel doesn't change that. Similar to the Merkeva main battle tank it has a small compartment for personnel that doesn't mean the tank is an IFV.

Performance!

South Africa during the so called boarder war operated helicopters in areas with an average height at times of 1000m+ above sea-level. This places restrictions on the capabilities of helicopters. In fact the Super frelon which was larger than the Puma was out performed by later's latest at the time.

The Puma being able to carry far heavier payloads in those conditions conditions than the Frelon. Today the Oryx still out performs lastest helicopters like the Cougar in those conditions.

In those conditions the Rooivalk out performs the Hind. It isn't as agile.

Armament:

The Denel helicopter carries heavier payload.

Chin mounted cannon: F2 20×139mm gun firing a longer round with a higher muzzle velocity compared to the twin barrel Gsh-23 23×115mm gun on the hind. Longer range!

16 Air to ground missiles can be carried!
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by iblawi(m): 11:53pm On Jan 09, 2017
MikeCZA:
The primary role of aircraft like Apache, Rooivalk, Z-10 etc is to conduct airstrikes.

Analogy: Main battle tanks and Infantry fighting vehicles.

The role of tanks is to provide direct fire.

Infantry fighting vehicles carry troops to the battle and provide fire support.

Infantry fighting vehicles can offer some of the capabilities offered by tanks but will lack in areas such armour protection, fire power etc.

END!


The Hind design philosophy is similar to Infantry fighting vehicles by carrying troops then unlike utility helicopters or APCs which will retreat back from the front line. The Hind will drop it's payload and continue the supporting the troops.

This characteristic means the aircraft silhouette is increased.

Mi-28 is a dedicated attack helicopter the inclusion of a small space for personnel doesn't change that. Similar to the Merkeva main battle tank it has a small compartment for personnel that doesn't mean the tank is an IFV.

Performance!

South Africa during the so called boarder war operated helicopters in areas with an average height at times of 1000m+ above sea-level. This places restrictions on the capabilities of helicopters. In fact the Super frelon which was larger than the Puma was out performed by later's latest at the time.

The Puma being able to carry far heavier payloads in those conditions conditions than the Frelon. Today the Oryx still out performs lastest helicopters like the Cougar in those conditions.

In those conditions the Rooivalk out performs the Hind. It isn't as agile.

Armament:

The Denel helicopter carries heavier payload.

Chin mounted cannon: F2 20×139mm gun firing a longer round with a higher muzzle velocity compared to the twin barrel Gsh-23 23×115mm gun on the hind. Longer range!

16 Air to ground missiles can be carried!
If the MI-35 is meant to carry troops to battle ground then what is the use of Mi-17? We have MI-17 helicopters armed with weapons too.


When did Russia start using MI-28 and Ka-50?
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by kabe1: 11:56pm On Jan 09, 2017
MikeCZA:
The primary role of aircraft like Apache, Rooivalk, Z-10 etc is to conduct airstrikes.

Analogy: Main battle tanks and Infantry fighting vehicles.

The role of tanks is to provide direct fire.

Infantry fighting vehicles carry troops to the battle and provide fire support.

Infantry fighting vehicles can offer some of the capabilities offered by tanks but will lack in areas such armour protection, fire power etc.

END!


The Hind design philosophy is similar to Infantry fighting vehicles by carrying troops then unlike utility helicopters or APCs which will retreat back from the front line. The Hind will drop it's payload and continue the supporting the troops.

This characteristic means the aircraft silhouette is increased.

Mi-28 is a dedicated attack helicopter the inclusion of a small space for personnel doesn't change that. Similar to the Merkeva main battle tank it has a small compartment for personnel that doesn't mean the tank is an IFV.

Performance!

South Africa during the so called boarder war operated helicopters in areas with an average height at times of 1000m+ above sea-level. This places restrictions on the capabilities of helicopters. In fact the Super frelon which was larger than the Puma was out performed by later's latest at the time.

The Puma being able to carry far heavier payloads in those conditions conditions than the Frelon. Today the Oryx still out performs lastest helicopters like the Cougar in those conditions.

In those conditions the Rooivalk out performs the Hind. It isn't as agile.

Armament:

The Denel helicopter carries heavier payload.

Chin mounted cannon: F2 20×139mm gun firing a longer round with a higher muzzle velocity compared to the twin barrel Gsh-23 23×115mm gun on the hind. Longer range!

16 Air to ground missiles can be carried!
More Rubbish!


The MI-24 is unofficially known as the Flying Tank, not a flying IFV.


Unlike an IFV, the MI-24 carries 8 troops as a secondary role, not a primary role. It is a gunship, an attack helicopter as it's primary role.


The MI-35 is the world's most heavily armed, most heavily armoured attack helicopter. It is a Tank killer, designed to support the SU-25 in combat.

I'm not referring to largeness of any helicopter. The stats show the MI-35m produces more power than the Rooivalk. The Rooivalk cannot magically have a better performance. You can't cheat physics.

The Rooivalk carries a weak 20mm gun with an effective range of only 2 Km. While the MI-35m carries a twin barrel 23mm with an over 5km effective firing range.


The MI-35m can also carry 16 Air-to-ground missiles. Has the latest navigational suite, target sight system, location range finder and the latest laser range finder.


The fact is, the MI-35m, MI-28NE and the Apache attack helicopters are currently by a long shot the most advanced helicopters in Africa. The Rooivalk comes in at a very distant 4th.
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