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randomperson:
Does god have the power to sustain life without the eye-eating worm?

This question is non sequitor.

Meanwhile, which life are you talking about?

I simply stated: Life exists and is sustained. Therefore GOD is benevolent since He put all the conditions in place.

randomperson:
You're wrong again... The definition of atheism, even the one quoted by felixomor includes BELIEF THAT GOD DOESN'T EXIST or LACK OF BELIEF THAT GOD EXISTS...
unless u want to show us why we should believe u over the Oxford dictionary

Are u ready to answer your question now?

randomperson:
Boy, you're not interested in an intellectual argument. Or maybe it's not lack of interest, maybe it's incapability. And you can't even say someone is running away.. No one runs away more than u and 4everGod...
Just yesterday, I asked u a simple question. If one account says Judas bought the Potter's field, how come another account says the chief priests bought it... A totally normal question...
U are trying to redefine atheism to suit your opinion.. So...

U still ran away.

Ur question on Judas is from bible?
I didnt write the bible.

My simple question is on you and it a closed True or false question.
They are different.
Besides if ur question on Judas was True/false
It would av been answered.

I don't even remember where u asked me the Judas que.

U have shown dishonesty.

KingEbukasBlog:
I have told you that as at 1996 in Mensa only 3 percent of Mensa members are atheists . Mensa is an organization of people with high IQ .

But IQ does not actually define intelligence totally . Because here's social intelligence and there's emotional intelligence.

The greatest minds were theists and deists from the Ancient Greeks to the medieval age to the modern time . It has all been theists and deists

Albert Einstein , Max Planck , Leonardo Da Vinci I can go on and on and on

I also discovered that the grandmasters in Chess have high IQs and they are very religious too .

An except from a Pew research article
"A survey of scientists who are members of the American Association for the Advancement of Science, conducted by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press in May and June 2009, finds that members of this group are, on the whole, much less religious than the general public.1 Indeed, the survey shows that scientists are roughly half as likely as the general public to believe in God or a higher power. "
The greatest minds from time past were theists right?? Well, there is much more knowledge now than there was during the medieval times. And atheism is becoming more acceptable... So the increase of knowledge is directly proportional to the growth of atheism...
IQ doesn't define intelligence?? OK, is there any evidence to show that theists are more emotionally Intelligent than atheists. Even at that, IQ is still very important.
U have failed to contradict the proposition that scientists are more likely to be atheists than other people.
U have also failed to counter the argument that atheists are on an average more intelligent than religious people.
Am expecting your rebuttals

DoctorAlien:
This question is non sequitor.

Meanwhile, which life are you talking about?

I simply stated: Life exists and is sustained. Therefore GOD is benevolent since He put all the conditions in place.

The question is not non sequitur...
If God could have sustained life without creating the Eye- eating worm, then he is not a good god... If the creation of the Eye- eating worm is necessary for God's creation to work then god is not infinitely powerful...
The argument of necessary evil is incompatible with an omnipotent god... Evil will not be necessary for god if he's truly omnipotent

felixomor:
U still ran away.

Ur question on Judas is from bible?
I didnt write the bible.

My simple question is on you and it a closed True or false question.
They are different.
Besides if ur question on Judas was True/false
It would av been answered.

I don't even remember where u asked me the Judas que.

U have shown dishonesty.

U don't remember, seriously?? When u were trying and was failing to show that there were no contradictions in the bible??

randomperson:
U don't remember, seriously?? When u were trying and was failing to show that there were no contradictions in the bible??

Are u ready to answer now?

randomperson:
The question is not non sequitur...
If God could have sustained life without creating the Eye- eating worm, then he is not a good god... If the creation of the Eye- eating worm is necessary for God's creation to work then god is not infinitely powerful...
The argument of necessary evil is incompatible with an omnipotent god... Evil will not be necessary for god if he's truly omnipotent

You're shifting the goalpost to the problem of evil argument. In fact, you're confused.

Why is eye-eating wrong/bad? Who cares whether only eye-eating worms survive in the universe? It is still life. Therefore GOD is benevolent.

Well I can't say the universe is perfect or imperfect. Who knows? This universe may be the worst possible, the best possible, or even the only possible universe.

DoctorAlien:
You're shifting the goalpost to the problem of evil argument. In fact, you're confused.

Why is eye-eating wrong/bad? Who cares whether only eye-eating worms survive in the universe? It is still life. Therefore GOD is benevolent.

It was the problem of evil exactly that I was arguing before...
Picture this: a worm burrowing into the eye of a 4 year old, who goes blind because of that... How on earth is that right or good

4everGod:
Dalaman if moral laws are human construct and vary from places to place what is their common foundation?

Are these laws which you say are human construct based on Good and evil or not even though they vary worldwide.

The common foundation is humans. Morality is a human construct as such humans are at its foundation. Humans create moral codes of conduct for the betterment of their various societies.

It's wrong for women to drive in Saudi Arabia, but the the law will soon be reviewed and modified when it happens it will no longer be a crime or a sin when women drive. In some.parts of the USA smoking Indian hemp is no longer a crime. Marijuana has been allowed for recreational use. It used to be a crime.
Humans make laws for themselves and modify it when they feel it's necessary. Gods don't make laws. Humans do and use Gods and religions as enforcing mechanism. Now we don't use Gods aND religions any more we use law enforcement officers to up hold the laws we create.

Good and evil is relative. People I'm Germany see polygamy as an evil thing., while a person living in Northern Nigeria doesn't see it as an evil thing.

randomperson:
It was the problem of evil exactly that I was arguing before...
Picture this: a worm burrowing into the eye of a 4 year old, who goes blind because of that... How on earth is that right or good

You're trying to appeal to my emotion.

1. Why is the worm burrowing into the eye of the 4-year old wrong?

2. The worm is doing what it has to do to live. Is the worm's life not important?

DoctorAlien:
You're trying to appeal to my emotion.

1. Why is the worm burrowing into the eye of the 4-year old wrong?

2. The worm is doing what it has to do to live. Is the worm's life not important?

U are just proving my point... The worm's life is important, the child's eye is important... A system where the worm has to feed on an important eye to survive is not perfect. That's the system god created, god is not perfect...

Vanceastro:
Dude your finetune argument is too anthromorphic.
You are basically saying that because life exist the universe was finetuned for it.
Everything that exists in this universe can only do so within a certain tolerance range. Outside that range it won't exist.
So we can also say that if anything exist the universe was finetuned for it.
The Universe was fine-tuned for I-phones to exist. What do you think?

Life to exist . The universe was fine tuned for life to exist not anything .

I-phones are designed by life , intelligent life . Without the existence of life , intelligent life no I-phones

So yes , the universe was fine tuned for I-phones to exist .

dalaman:
The common foundation is humans. Morality is a human construct as such humans are at its foundation. Humans create moral codes of conduct for the betterment of their various societies.

It's ring for women to drive in Saudi Arabia, but the the law will soon be reviewed and modified when it happens it will no longer be a crime or a sin when women drive. In some.parts of the USA smoking Indian hemp is no longer a crime. Marijuana has been allowed for recreational use. It used to be a crime.
Humans make laws for themselves and modify it when they feel it's necessary. Gods don't make laws. Humans do and use Gods and religions as enforcing mechanism. Now we don't use Gods aND religions any more we use law enforcement officers to up hold the laws we create.

Good and evil is relative. People I'm Germany see polygamy as an evil thing., while a person living in Northern Nigeria doesn't see it as an evil thing.

Whether they are harmonized laws or not the bottom line even in the disparity is Good and and evil correct? Its not about the different laws. Even when the laws are at variance with each other across countries all these variants are all built on their own version of right and wrong correct?

randomperson:
U are just proving my point... The worm's life is important, the child's eye is important... A system where the worm has to feed on an important eye to survive is not perfect. That's the system god created, god is not perfect...

Who said so? Who said life forms have to survive independent of each other?

DoctorAlien:
Who said so? Who said life forms have to survive independent of each other?

I never said so... In fact, the system created by god is that the only way some things survive is by harming others... That's an imperfect system...
This is the question, could god have created both the child and the worm without making it necessary for the worm to harm the child... The answer should be yes, if God is omnipotent. If yes, then why didn't he do so... We're left with the second option, god is not good

randomperson:
I never said so...

You said so:

randomperson:
A system where the worm has to feed on an important eye to survive is not perfect.

In other words, you argue that GOD did not create a perfect system.

Now the question is: who stipulated that a perfect system is that in which life forms survive independent of each other?

randomperson:
This is the question, could god have created both the child and the worm without making it necessary for the worm to harm the child... The answer should be yes, if God is omnipotent. If yes, then why didn't he do so...

Why should He do so?

DoctorAlien:
Why should He do so?

Because a worm eating a child's eye is bad... Are u claiming a child having his eye eating is good... Are u also claiming that the thousands who die in tsunami are a good thing..

randomperson:
Because a worm eating a child's eye is bad...

Who said it is bad? What is bad about it? Is the worm not tryna survive?

DoctorAlien:
You said so:

In other words, you argue that GOD did not create a perfect system.

Now the question is: who stipulated that a perfect system is that in which life forms survive independent of each other?

A perfect system will be devoid of flaws... Are using claiming the world is perfect as it is??

DoctorAlien:
Who said it is bad? What is bad about it? Is the worm not tryna survive?

It's not bad for the worm but bad for the child... Are u claiming a child's eye being eaten by a worm is good??

4everGod:
Whether they are harmonized laws or not the bottom line even in the disparity is Good and and evil correct? Its not about the different laws. Even when the laws are at variance with each other across countries all these variants are all built on their own version of right and wrong correct?

Sure. The opposite of right is wrong.

randomperson:
It's not bad for the worm but bad for the child...

This statement is confusing what is bad in the worm eating the eye? who said it is bad? is the worm not trying to survive?

randomperson:
A perfect system will be devoid of flaws...

What flaw exists in the universe?

randomperson:
U are just proving my point... The worm's life is important, the child's eye is important... A system where the worm has to feed on an important eye to survive is not perfect. That's the system god created, god is not perfect...

Someone who is perfect can decide to do something that is not perfect for logical reasons . The 'Christian God' describes what he created as good but He promises to revamp the universe to eliminate these so called flaws at a certain time (we can see that in the book of Revelations)

The system is complex orderly and functional and that can mean that the designer is intelligent and powerful

dalaman:
Sure. The opposite of right is wrong.

So since even in the variants of human laws worldwide all they are trying to do is define their own version of right and wrong then why do we even have these attempts at defining right and wrong in human laws if we all were born to just "live".

Why do all the nations and religions of the world still have this issue of trying to define right and wrong in their own ways? Why do we not just "exist"?

DoctorAlien:
This statement is confusing what is bad in the worm eating the eye? who said it is bad? is the worm not trying to survive?

U are still arguing my point for me... It's good for the worm and bad for the child... If u think it is good for the child please just state it categorically...

randomperson:
U are still arguing my point for me... It's good for the worm and bad for the child...

Oh, you're the one that said it? How is it bad for the child?

KingEbukasBlog:
Someone who is perfect can decide to do something that is not perfect for logical reasons . The 'Christian God' describes what he created as good but He promises to revamp the universe to eliminate these so called flaws at a certain time (we can see that in the book of Revelations)

The system is complex orderly and functional and that can mean that the designer is intelligent and powerful

Someone who is perfect can only do perfect things... Or are u claiming there are some of God's actions that are flawed??
The system is functional but not perfect, snow blizzards, tsunamis and earthquakes kill people... A perfect god will be able to create a functional universe without those natural disasters...

randomperson:
Because a worm eating a child's eye is bad... Are u claiming a child having his eye eating is good... Are u also claiming that the thousands who die in tsunami are a good thing..

Death is a part of life .