KingEbukasBlog:



Here's my opinion . A lie is permitted if the extenuating circumstances are too extreme - the sin becomes venial .

Ranchhoddas:
Hmmm. By what yardstick do we measure an 'extenuating' circumstance?

KingEbukasBlog:


You are not actually clear about it .

KingEbukasBlog:



Here's my opinion . A lie is permitted if the extenuating circumstances are too extreme - the sin becomes venial .

dalaman:


I like your honesty and pragmatic approach to issues.

KingEbukasBlog:


Thank you sir .

But you have not responded to my question

dalaman:


There is no double standard. I have been very specific right from the beginning. You've refused to answer my question. Why is that so?

felixomor:


There is no double standard when u said ur child is wrong for telling a lie that will benefit him and even you?
Yet u say your lie is right for benefiting a woman that was going to be killed?

U cant see the double standard there?

4everGod:



he cant see it

So much dodgicology has made him unable to keep up with his numerous lies. You know one very bad thing about lying is when you need to ensure you remember every single one you told so you would be able to keep defending them with other lies. The moment you slip up its all over and that is what has happened to Dalaman.

4everGod:



he cant see it

So much dodgicology has made him unable to keep up with his numerous lies. You know one very bad thing about lying is when you need to ensure you remember every single one you told so you would be able to keep defending them with other lies. The moment you slip up its all over and that is what has happened to Dalaman.

KingEbukasBlog:


Please note that the

a. Universe creating itself is a logical absurdity .

b. Infinite regress of causes is illogical and impossible

c. Smolin’s Evolutionary Cosmology is mere speculation

With that sorted out here's the Cosmological Argument for the Existence of God

1. Whatever begins to exist must have a cause

2. The universe began to exist

3. Therefore , the universe has cause

Do you agree that this is a tenable argument for the existence of God ?

Sibe007:


God creating itself is not a logical absurdity ??

God begins to exist, so God must have a cause

KingEbukasBlog:


God is eternal.God did not create itself .

dalaman:


Where was God before he created the universe? What was he doing and why did he create the universe?

KingEbukasBlog:


God is not confined to a particular location so its not totally reasonable to ask 'where is God'? That would totally contradict its omnipresent nature But we can say the fullness of God is in Heaven ( a different plane of existence ) and Its divine power permeates through all that exists

And since God is timeless it is not totally right to say ask what It was doing before he created the universe - this suggests that there was time before the creation of the universe . Its not like you hold the view that endured through an infinite past time before the moment of creation - God become temporal immediately It brought the universe into being .

God created the universe primarily for the existence of life , intelligent life , free moral agents to whom It'll reveal Itself to and have an eternal relationship with .

topdee:


I can't believe this makes sense to learned people without any brain disease. Indoctrination is extremely potent

KingEbukasBlog:


Something coming out of nothing uncaused is worse than magic and its not shocking at all that it appeals to the intellectually deficient and mentally indolent ones .

EVarn:
I think the point people are debating here seem to be whether the universe was caused or if it is simply an uncaused eternal entity.
Now,christians will say that the universe was caused by a first entity who dwells outside space and time,which is God.This claim however has a curious effect of triggering rigid skeptism from athiests who counter it by postulating that the universe is uncaused,and therefore there is no God.
Now,I will endeavor to restrain myself from this controversy,lest I get confronted with the business end of a verbal assualt.
However,I have an interesting question to ask,for educational purpose,so permit me to slightly derail.
According to the bible,"in the beginning,God made the heavens and the earth",but after discovering that there was darkness upon the deep,he conjured light.Now,we know that this "light" predates the creation of the sun(according to the bible,earth was created before other planets and heavenly bodies)
The question is,if this light wasnt the sun or moon,what was/is it?

KingEbukasBlog:


God is not confined to a particular location so its not totally reasonable to ask 'where is God'? That would totally contradict its omnipresent nature But we can say the fullness of God is in Heaven ( a different plane of existence ) and Its divine power permeates through all that exists

And since God is timeless it is not totally right to say ask what It was doing before he created the universe - this suggests that there was time before the creation of the universe . Its not like you hold the view that God endured through an infinite past time before the moment of creation - God become temporal immediately It brought the universe into being .

God created the universe primarily for the existence of life , intelligent life , free moral agents to whom It'll reveal Itself to and have an eternal relationship with .

dalaman:


Asking where God was before creating the universe is very reasonable. Heaven as described in the bible is a place that contains matter. Angels sing in heaven. They have trumpets, God sits on a throne etc. Does matter exist in heaven?

KingEbukasBlog:


Something coming out of nothing uncaused is worse than magic and its not shocking at all that it appeals to the intellectually deficient and mentally indolent ones .

topdee:


All I can sense is sarcasm. Atheism isn't a religion and has no doctrines confined to with a particular book (bible). Belief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods has nothing to do with the bolded, different atheist have different or similar approach on arguments on God/religion and existence. Many threads on nairaland have addressed your topic in different ways and asking for empirical information on this thread is quite a mouthful, no empirical prove on what you wrote too.

Most of your post I read in many threads shows you are close-minded, you need to be open-minded to have intellectual discussions. Most religious people are close-minded; it's all self-righteousness and indoctrination. All what you just wrote on God creating the universe is just you basking in your imaginative mind, and it is all because you were probably born into religion (Christianity). Religion was just created to give solacing hope to people and control the masses.

PS: I'm a freethinker

KingEbukasBlog:


Someone who does not want to accept the possibility of the existence of God calls you close-minded . I must be reading this upside down

4everGod:

You need to stop being intellectually lazy when it comes to curiosity. Intelligence is something one seeks after. It does not just drop into ones lap. Your question has been repeatedly dealt with even here on NL so help yourself by going through this link.
https://www.nairaland.com/3499398/bible-correct-when-it-claims/1

EVarn:
I fear you mistake my intentions good sir,I have taken much liberty in perusing Nairaland's dusty religious archives in hopes of sating this little debate of mine.
However,none of the threads I have encountered(yours included) have been able to answer my question both intelligently and with spiritual accuracy.
What I discover is some christians giving roundabout essays that seem to curiously alternate between calling the first light jesus and later concluding it is infact the sun which would be created in the future.Then the athiests waltz in and point out the many flaws in those arguements,and then everything descends into a verbal brawl.

KingEbukasBlog:


Something coming out of nothing uncaused is worse than magic and its not shocking at all that it appeals to the intellectually deficient and mentally indolent ones .

4everGod:



Your comment shows you have not gone through that thread and done a step by step following of naijadeyhias analysis.

KingEbukasBlog:


https://www.nairaland.com/2931676/dealing-misconceptions-receive-mansions-heaven

https://www.nairaland.com/3000111/dealing-misconceptions-does-god-literally

KingEbukasBlog:


That's how they behave . They only question anything that challenges their beliefs and accept uncritically anything that doesn't challenge their beliefs