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jln115:
The highest service ceiling of any AH in the world
The highest hover of any AH in the world
Second fastest climb rate of any AH in the world
Fastest cruise speed of any AH in the world
Longest range of any AH in the world

need i say more? In terms of raw performance no Attack Helicopter in the world can match the Rooivalk...Yet you want to compare it to the Mi35?

This is so because it's just a reconfigured Puma helicopter for attack role.

MI-17 will have all those features too if it's reconfigured as a dedicated Attack helicopter (except for climb rate).

kabe1:
More Rubbish!


The MI-24 is unofficially known as the Flying Tank, not a flying IFV.


Unlike an IFV, the MI-24 carries 8 troops as a secondary role, not a primary role. It is a gunship, an attack helicopter as it's primary role.


The MI-35 is the world's most heavily armed, most heavily armoured attack helicopter. It is a Tank killer, designed to support the SU-25 in combat.

I'm not referring to largeness of any helicopter. The stats show the MI-35m produces more power than the Rooivalk. The Rooivalk cannot magically have a better performance. You can't cheat physics.

The Rooivalk carries a weak 20mm gun with an effective range of only 2 Km. While the MI-35m carries a twin barrel 23mm with an over 5km effective firing range.


The MI-35m can also carry 16 Air-to-ground missiles. Has the latest navigational suite, target sight system, location range finder and the latest laser range finder.


The fact is, the MI-35m, MI-28NE and the Apache attack helicopters are currently by a long shot the most advanced helicopters in Africa. The Rooivalk comes in at a very distant 4th.

I thought Egypt was about getting KA-50?

I believe Rooivalk should be 5th not 4th.

MikeCZA:
The primary role of aircraft like Apache, Rooivalk, Z-10 etc is to conduct airstrikes.

Analogy: Main battle tanks and Infantry fighting vehicles.

The role of tanks is to provide direct fire.

Infantry fighting vehicles carry troops to the battle and provide fire support.

Infantry fighting vehicles can offer some of the capabilities offered by tanks but will lack in areas such armour protection, fire power etc.

END!


The Hind design philosophy is similar to Infantry fighting vehicles by carrying troops then unlike utility helicopters or APCs which will retreat back from the front line. The Hind will drop it's payload and continue the supporting the troops.

This characteristic means the aircraft silhouette is increased.

Mi-28 is a dedicated attack helicopter the inclusion of a small space for personnel doesn't change that. Similar to the Merkeva main battle tank it has a small compartment for personnel that doesn't mean the tank is an IFV.

gentleman you are a clown!
now in a situation the mi35M doesnt carry troops and goes out ready for the prom...it becomes a what? ferrari?
that IFV/MBT illustration is blindfolded sh1t and if u were a teacher your student would be dunce
the mi35m can and is able to bring it on to the battlefield just as any AH be it rooivalk or apache

as patches said..it would take technical sh1t to av a credible argument
and dont u gun-run on role crap...NAF uses d mi17(well armed) for transport and the mi-35m would play attack role UNTIL ITS SECONDARY ROLE (advantage) is needed

i hope this not a nationalism bout cuz i dont have aspirin for any fight i know y'all will cause

but hey am about to puke as supposed military geeks are spewing hokum about

iblawi:
I thought Egypt was about getting KA-50?

I believe Rooivalk should be 5th not 4th.

You are correct. Egypt would soon take delivery of KA-52 attack helicopters. This moves the Rooivalk to a very distant 5th position.

kabe1:
You are correct. Egypt would soon take delivery of KA-52 attack helicopters. This moves the Rooivalk to a very distant 5th position.

Odunayaw:
i hope this not a nationalism bout cuz i dont have aspirin for any fight i know y'all will cause

but hey am about to puke as supposed military geeks are spewing hokum about

I guess it is bro. The most widely used attack helicopter suddenly became a transport helicopter because it has secondary role.

what we all know as FLYING TANK is now FLYING IFV.

iblawi:
This is so because it's just a reconfigured Puma helicopter for attack role.

MI-17 will have all those features too if it's reconfigured as a dedicated Attack helicopter (except for climb rate).

yeah.....NO!!
A Rolls Royce uses the same engine and gearbox as a 8series bmw , does that mean its a reconfigured 8 series?

iblawi:
I guess it is bro. The most widely used attack helicopter suddenly became a transport helicopter because it has secondary role.

what we all know as FLYING TANK is now FLYING IFV.

, In the short time I've been here as a Nairaland member, I've read so many weird things people say all because of national pride.


The South-Africans immediately converted the MI-24 to a transport helicopter.

kabe1:
The MI-35m is significantly better than the Rooivalk, and as African defence enthusiasts, we(Nigerians) are extremely glad we possess an attack helicopter that has no match in sub-Saharan Africa.

better than the Rooivalk? How?

jln115:
better than the Rooivalk? How?

Go cry along with your "very distant 5th place" Attack helicopter.

kabe1:
More Rubbish!


The MI-24 is unofficially known as the Flying Tank, not a flying IFV.


Unlike an IFV, the MI-24 carries 8 troops as a secondary role, not a primary role. It is a gunship, an attack helicopter as it's primary role.


The MI-35 is the world's most heavily armed, most heavily armoured attack helicopter. It is a Tank killer, designed to support the SU-25 in combat.

I'm not referring to largeness of any helicopter. The stats show the MI-35m produces more power than the Rooivalk. The Rooivalk cannot magically have a better performance. You can't cheat physics.

The Rooivalk carries a weak 20mm gun with an effective range of only 2 Km. While the MI-35m carries a twin barrel 23mm with an over 5km effective firing range.


The MI-35m can also carry 16 Air-to-ground missiles. Has the latest navigational suite, target sight system, location range finder and the latest laser range finder.


The fact is, the MI-35m, MI-28NE and the Apache attack helicopters are currently by a long shot the most advanced helicopters in Africa. The Rooivalk comes in at a very distant 4th.

Are you fvcking ret@rded bro? In terms of raw preformance the Rooivalk out preforms every AH in the world.

And why did the Algerian Air force replace the 23mm gun on their mi35 with the Rooivalks denels 20mm gun if according to you the 23mm is better?

kabe1:
Go cry along with your "very distant 5th place" Attack helicopter.

How bro? Because according to their respective climb rates,service ceilings,hover ceilings,power to weight, cruise speed, payload ect ect the mi35 doesn't come close?

MikeCZA:
The primary role of aircraft like Apache, Rooivalk, Z-10 etc is to conduct airstrikes.

Analogy: Main battle tanks and Infantry fighting vehicles.

The role of tanks is to provide direct fire.

Infantry fighting vehicles carry troops to the battle and provide fire support.

Infantry fighting vehicles can offer some of the capabilities offered by tanks but will lack in areas such armour protection, fire power etc.

END!


The Hind design philosophy is similar to Infantry fighting vehicles by carrying troops then unlike utility helicopters or APCs which will retreat back from the front line. The Hind will drop it's payload and continue the supporting the troops.

This characteristic means the aircraft silhouette is increased.

Mi-28 is a dedicated attack helicopter the inclusion of a small space for personnel doesn't change that. Similar to the Merkeva main battle tank it has a small compartment for personnel that doesn't mean the tank is an IFV.

Performance!

South Africa during the so called boarder war operated helicopters in areas with an average height at times of 1000m+ above sea-level. This places restrictions on the capabilities of helicopters. In fact the Super frelon which was larger than the Puma was out performed by later's latest at the time.

The Puma being able to carry far heavier payloads in those conditions conditions than the Frelon. Today the Oryx still out performs lastest helicopters like the Cougar in those conditions.

In those conditions the Rooivalk out performs the Hind. It isn't as agile.

Armament:

The Denel helicopter carries heavier payload.

Chin mounted cannon: F2 20×139mm gun firing a longer round with a higher muzzle velocity compared to the twin barrel Gsh-23 23×115mm gun on the hind. Longer range!

16 Air to ground missiles can be carried!

LOL what sort of explanation is this The Russian claimed the primary role of their aircraft is for attack missions. Who on earth will use the Mi-35 to deploy troops during combat? It's transport capability is a secondary mission. Which means an added advantage.
Mi-35m doesn't lack armour protection to the extent that it can't conduct destruction of enemy defence.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UY5Sb674VQ

That is a mi-24 with a with a weaker armor protection not even a Mi-35 making dangerous passes so tell me why not a Mi-28 or KA-52?

The mi-24 has a weaker armor and she's still kicking ISIS butts.
Your points are baseless.

jln115:
How bro? Because according to their respective climb rates,service ceilings,hover ceilings,power to weight, cruise speed, payload ect ect the mi35 doesn't come close?

That makes your Rooivalk best attack helicopter in the world. Why not post your statistics cause mine proves otherwise.

They are very close in terms of every you quoted.

tdayof:
LOL what sort of explanation is this The Russian claimed the primary role of their aircraft is for attack missions. Who on earth will use the Mi-35 to deploy troops during combat? It's transport capability is a secondary mission. Which means an added advantage.
Mi-35m doesn't lack armour protection to the extent that it can't conduct destruction of enemy defence.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UY5Sb674VQ

That is a mi-24 with a with a weaker armor protection not even a Mi-35 making dangerous passes so tell me why not a Mi-28 or KA-52?

The mi-24 has a weaker armor and she's still kicking ISIS butts.
Your points are baseless.

lord knows i'd sack his butt were he a teacher in my school

tdayof:
LOL what sort of explanation is this The Russian claimed the primary role of their aircraft is for attack missions. Who on earth will use the Mi-35 to deploy troops during combat? It's transport capability is a secondary mission. Which means an added advantage.
Mi-35m doesn't lack armour protection to the extent that it can't conduct destruction of enemy defence.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UY5Sb674VQ

That is a mi-24 with a with a weaker armor protection not even a Mi-35 making dangerous passes so tell me why not a Mi-28 or KA-52?

The mi-24 has a weaker armor and she's still kicking ISIS butts
Your points are baseless.

Yet she couldn't kick m23 butts...they had to call in the Rooivalk to do that!

jln115:
And why did the Algerian Air force replace the 23mm gun on their mi35 with the Rooivalks denels 20mm gun if according to you the 23mm is better?

was hoping u'd ask
ammo suppliers of 23mm are not littering the surface of d planet
so the algerians wanting to play safe jumped on the 20mm wagon so as not to be caught pants down if things go ape-sh1t

tdayof:
LOL what sort of explanation is this The Russian claimed the primary role of their aircraft is for attack missions. Who on earth will use the Mi-35 to deploy troops during combat? It's transport capability is a secondary mission. Which means an added advantage.
Mi-35m doesn't lack armour protection to the extent that it can't conduct destruction of enemy defence.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UY5Sb674VQ

That is a mi-24 with a with a weaker armor protection not even a Mi-35 making dangerous passes so tell me why not a Mi-28 or KA-52?

The mi-24 has a weaker armor and she's still kicking ISIS butts.
Your points are baseless.

Thanks bro for the video.

Rooivalk has never done this since the day it was designed.

Am sure they didn't even stimulate such kind of attacks

jln115:
Yet she couldn't kick m23 butts...they had to call in the Rooivalk to do that!

Is this a FLYING IFV?

jln115:
Yet she couldn't kick m23 butts...they had to call in the Rooivalk to do that!

As people will always say, the surrender was on its way before roiivalk fired it's first shot.

The Mi-24 it's self it's still a Badass helicopter. Moreover, we're talking about the mi-35 here. I just reminded you guys of what the mi-24 is doing in an enemy's compound so you can have an idea of how dangerous the mi-35 can be.

Ukrainian mi-24s are still kicking butts in DRC

Odunayaw:
lord knows i'd sack his butt were he a teacher in my school

jln115:
Yet she couldn't kick m23 butts...they had to call in the Rooivalk to do that!

how trained were the pilots and how armed were the pilots

dude u r shedding

jln115:
Yet she couldn't kick m23 butts...they had to call in the Rooivalk to do that!

Is this a FLYING IFV?

Am sure you know most African countries don't even fly their aircrafts because they lack pilots to fly them to such areas.

Uganda have SU-30 but are scared of flying them in Somalia. Does that mean Su-30 is not capable of handling such treat?

Cost of flying and maintaining aircrafts is also a burden to many airforce in Africa.

Am sure the Rooivalk went their when the M23 had left because the video would have been everywhere. So Rooivalk haven't seen any treat yet.

iblawi:
Thanks bro for the video.

Rooivalk has never done this since the day it was designed.

Am sure they didn't even stimulate such kind of attacks

Damn, you're cold!

kabe1:
Damn, you're cold!

The day Rooivalk will try this am sure the video would be everywhere on the Internet. You know how much they love fault glory.

That was the video I was referring to on the other thread.

iblawi:
That makes your Rooivalk best attack helicopter in the world. Why not post your statistics cause mine proves otherwise.

They are very close in terms of every you quoted.

Service ceiling:
Rooivalk: 6100m second highest of any AH
Mi35 : 5400m

Hover cieling
Rooivalk: 5540m highest by almost 2km from its nearest competitor the Apache
Mi35 : 3150m
Rooivalk literally hovers higher than the hind can fly

Climb rate:
Rooivalk: 13.3m/s highest of any AH
Mi35 : 12.5m/s

range(internal)
Rooivalk: 705km longest of any AH
mi35 : 460km

ferry range:
Rooivalk : 1260km second longest of any AH
Mi35 : 1000km

iblawi:
Thanks bro for the video.

Rooivalk has never done this since the day it was designed.

Am sure they didn't even stimulate such kind of attacks

Rooivalk doesn't drop bombs because its note a bomber......its an AH.,if you have not noticed!!

jln115:
Rooivalk doesn't drop bombs because its note a bomber......its an AH.,if you have not noticed!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZ5je96v8H8

If you need to know why the Mi-24 carries troops, that's your answer.

Odunayaw:
was hoping u'd ask
ammo suppliers of 23mm are not littering the surface of d planet
so the algerians wanting to play safe jumped on the 20mm wagon so as not to be caught pants down if things go ape-sh1t

..

to ensure we all post on topic i suggest "technical discussions" on its sensors,suites,weaponry etc
and please lets be civilised

tdayof:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZ5je96v8H8

If you need to know why the Mi-24 carries troops, that's your answer.

Why the fvck do i care if it carries troops or not?