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ibtz:
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Na who u dey send like that? Copy and paste Jare. you dey learn?

alBHAGDADI:
And who is the author that made you see him as credible? You believe wikipedia is authentic but disregard the authenticity of the bible. YOU are funny.

my friend dis book is something that anyone can grab from religious book store and nothing has bin change from it
Go on google u can even get it free in pdf format...why attackin wikipedia? Bcus d book exposed d truth about the early followers of jesus didnt bliv n worship him as God? B4 ur salvation n trinity lies come into existence that was the book most christians r following for centuries

aminusanti:
my friend dis book is something that anyone can grab from religious book store and nothing has bin change from it
Go on google u can even get it free in pdf format...why attackin wikipedia? Bcus d book exposed d truth about the early followers of jesus didnt bliv n worship him as God? B4 ur salvation n trinity lies come into existence that was the book most christians r following for centuries

Now, is that what this thread is about?

felixomor:
So your argument is baseless.
Accepted

Construct another one

All dis dribbling around dat u are doing is only bcus u lack the basic knowledge of ur scripture thats why
Non of the xtians here on NL ever cme up with dis excuses of urs

alBHAGDADI:
Now, is that what this thread is about?

wat else remain in dis thread to address?

analice107:
Oga, for the last time, this thread is not about Jesus' divinity.

Why did allah snatch Jesus away from those who wanted to kill him?

Stop the squealing already. WHY DIDNT ALLAH ALLOW JESUS BE KILLED?

Why were the Jews attempting to kill Jesus in the first place.

You are commending yourself by yourself when you have not come close to addressing the OP.

No d ops question was is Allah responsible for christianity spread. And i ansad dat Allah is not responsible for d errors, wrongdoings of man but satan is. Den i raised my analogy to support my claim, i said by d ops logic is God responsible for d spread of idol worship dat still persists till today.
In conclusion, i have said no dat Allah is not responsible for d perpetuation of falsehood. Dats all.

babseg:
DONT YOU WORSHIP MOHAMMED ?

IF YOU DONT WHY GO CRAZY WHEN SOMEONE SAY ANYTHING BAD ABOUT HIM LIKE THE WAY YOU PEOPLE WENT CRAZY WHEN A DANISH MAN MADE A CARICATURE OF MOHAMMED

POT CALLING KETTLE BLACK

Muslims worship Muhammad? Duhh abeg. Pls just go and sleep

ibtz:
Muslims worship Muhammad? Duhh abeg. Pls just go and sleep

ANSWER MY QUESTION

alBHAGDADI:
So you trust wikipedia. Don't you know that wikipedia can be edited by anybody? I can even edit wikipedia to say that the quran is a terror manual

Wikipedia has a fake article mechanism. I see in ur desperation, u wud do anytin possible to demonize even tho we av shown u clear poos in ur doctrine

aminusanti:
wat else remain in dis thread to address?

What turned you into a derailer

ibtz:
No d ops question was is Allah responsible for christianity spread. And i ansad dat Allah is not responsible for d errors, wrongdoings of man but satan is. Den i raised my analogy to support my claim, i said by d ops logic is God responsible for d spread of idol worship dat still persists till today.
In conclusion, i have said no dat Allah is not responsible for d perpetuation of falsehood. Dats all.

Then why did allah deceived those people by making them kill the wrong person while thinking it was christ? He could have just made them see christ escape like the previous times with them seeing it. Dont you know that the killing of that allegedly wrong person is what gave rise to christianity? That is where allah is culpable.

alBHAGDADI:
Then why did allah deceived those people by making them kill the wrong person while thinking it was christ? He could have just made them see christ escape like the previous times with them seeing it. Dont you know that the killing of that allegedly wrong person is what gave rise to christianity? That is where allah is culpable.

Allah protected his Prophet frm harm, afta his ascenscion to heaven, his disciples worshipped God and God alone and preached abt jesus being a Prophet of Gid, but it was paul wu was nt even a disciple that inspired d christianity of today. No jew followed jesus wen he was on earth, hw do u expect dem to follow his disciples. Allah sent guidance to d jews with a man of miraculous birth but they didnt accept still, do u den tink if Allah sent anoda prophet d jews wud hav accepted, no. So he left dem in their falsehood. Note : Jesus was sent unto d jews alone
Proof: d story of d canaan woman Matthew 15:22

aminusanti:
All dis dribbling around dat u are doing is only bcus u lack the basic knowledge of ur scripture thats why
Non of the xtians here on NL ever cme up with dis excuses of urs

U invalidated ur own evidence by yourself.
Dont stoop low to ad hominem.

Construct an argument and use what u regard as whole truth.
Half truths are lies.

ibtz:
Allah protected his Prophet frm harm, afta his ascenscion to heaven, his disciples worshipped God and God alone and preached abt jesus being a Prophet of Gid, but it was paul wu was nt even a disciple that inspired d christianity of today. No jew followed jesus wen he was on earth, hw do u expect dem to follow his disciples.

You said none of the disciples preached that Yahshua the messiah was killed and resurrected. Below is PETER speaking.

ACTS 2:14-16 and 22-24

14 Then Peter stood up with the Eleven, raised his voice and addressed the crowd: “Fellow Jews and all of you who live in Jerusalem, let me explain this to you; listen carefully to what I say.
15 These people are not drunk, as you suppose. It’s only nine in the morning!
16 No, this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:

22 “Fellow Israelites, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know.
23 This man was handed over to you by God’s deliberate plan and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men, put him to death by nailing him to the cross.
24 But God raised him from the dead, freeing him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for death to keep its hold on him.

ibtz:
Allah sent guidance to d jews with a man of miraculous birth but they didnt accept still, do u den tink if Allah sent anoda prophet d jews wud hav accepted, no. So he left dem in their falsehood. Note : Jesus was sent unto d jews alone
Proof: d story of d canaan woman Matthew 15:22

So, in your own words, jesus and allah failed.

Mind you, the messiah i know had and still has jewish followers.

felixomor:
U invalidated ur own evidence by yourself.
Dont stoop low to ad hominem.

Construct an argument and use what u regard as whole truth.
Half truths are lies.

ok bye pls

ibtz:
No d ops question was is Allah responsible for christianity spread. And i ansad dat Allah is not responsible for d errors, wrongdoings of man but satan is. Den i raised my analogy to support my claim, i said by d ops logic is God responsible for d spread of idol worship dat still persists till today.
In conclusion, i have said no dat Allah is not responsible for d perpetuation of falsehood. Dats all.

So, for 600yrs allah allowed satan to infiltrate the earth with this error only to raise muhammed later to fight and kill this infidels who are much more in number than Allah's people today right?

allah must be very weak.

We on the other hand, know what islam is and why Yahweh is allowing it. Don't worry.

aminusanti:
ok bye pls

Shalom.
Until u bring a new truthful evidence

analice107:
So, for 600yrs allah allowed satan to infiltrate the earth with this error only to raise muhammed later to fight and kill this infidels who are much more in number than Allah's people today right?

allah must be very weak.

We on the other hand, know what islam is and why Yahweh is allowing it. Don't worry.

Wow, afta i av repeatedly said Allah instructs muslim only to fight wen in grave danger, too protect oursefs against dose dat wantto kill us, to opress us and stand for justice. U still bring up dis poo abt killing christians, now i undastand u r just out to demonize islam with clear hypocrisy

LifestyleTonite:
You said none of the disciples preached that Yahshua the messiah was killed and resurrected. Below is PETER speaking.

ACTS 2:14-16 and 22-24

14 Then Peter stood up with the Eleven, raised his voice and addressed the crowd: “Fellow Jews and all of you who live in Jerusalem, let me explain this to you; listen carefully to what I say.
15 These people are not drunk, as you suppose. It’s only nine in the morning!
16 No, this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:

22 “Fellow Israelites, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know.
23 This man was handed over to you by God’s deliberate plan and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men, put him to death by nailing him to the cross.
24 But God raised him from the dead, freeing him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for death to keep its hold on him.


So, in your own words, jesus and allah failed.

Mind you, the messiah i know had and still has jewish followers.

I didnt say Dat, mind u Noah, Abraham, Hud, uncessfully did not convince their ppl to believe in one God. So dey r not failures, its d ppl dat r in loss

O pls 95% of jews are judaist, d rest are agnostic.
Show me a jew wu believes in christ.
Go to isreal today, randomly pick 10 ppl, i am 99% sure 9/10 wud say dey are judaists.

ibtz:
Wow, afta i av repeatedly said Allah instructs muslim only to fight wen in grave danger, too protect oursefs against dose dat wantto kill us, to opress us and stand for justice. U still bring up dis poo abt killing christians, now i undastand u r just out to demonize islam with clear hypocrisy

Mr Muslim, mention the dangers the muslims in Nigeria are in right now that inflames their killing of Christians in Nigeria.

Which danger are muslims in in the middle East to make them sow to wipe Israel off the Map?

Go ahead tell me.

analice107:
Mr Muslim, mention the dangers the muslims in Nigeria are in right now that inflames their killing of Christians in Nigeria.

Which danger are muslims in in the middle East to make them sow to wipe Israel off the Map?

Go ahead tell me.

Pls wat evidence do u av dat muslims are killin christians. Wen did u see muslims vow to wipe isreal of d map. Bet u dont rd news or else wud know abt d brute
Occupation of isreal in palestine, imposing blockade on gaza nothing going in nothin coming out of gaza, isreali soldiers arresting palestine unjustly.

I guess u dont also know abt d U. N vote to stop isreali occupation in palestine

felixomor:
What we just saw from u is the typical terrorist attitude.

After using something, when exposed, u disown that thing immediately.
And thats what u just did.
Sorry to say.

I mean, just look at u cant answer a simple yes or no question on a document u just used for your argument and you want us to believe that u r a sincere person?

Sorry, u either stand by that document COMPLETELY or u THROW it out.

WHICH ONE DO YOU CHOOSE?

Ilynem, I hope u are observing how dishonest human beings can be?
Only him claims the bible is corrupted
Also, Only him also claims the book he is using to defend his argument is corrupted.

How more insincere can a fellow be?

That's one thing that confuses me about Islam. I think they pick parts of books that agree with their arguments. For instance they have Haddits that they believe is original and true and then any Haddit that makes the prophet look bad, they reject it. Forgetting that these Haddits were written by MUSLIM SCHOLARS. And then u ask the question. Why would a Muslim scholar want to write something about the prophet that makes him look bad if that thing isn't true? They do the same with the Bible. Pick parts that support their argument and then claim the other parts are corrupted. It's a funny behavior

ilynem:
That's one thing that confuses me about Islam. I think they pick parts of books that agree with their arguments. For instance they have Haddits that they believe is original and true and then any Haddit that makes the prophet look bad, they reject it. Forgetting that these Haddits were written by MUSLIM SCHOLARS. And then u ask the question. Why would a Muslim scholar want to write something about the prophet that makes him look bad if that thing isn't true? They do the same with the Bible. Pick parts that support their argument and then claim the other parts are corrupted. It's a funny behavior

Honestly
Seems more like they have an agenda that they just pick and discard what aligns with their agenda...
Irrespective of where they pick it from.

aminusanti:
Again! you don't know what you doing
you can call me anything you want to but you are dumb and ignorant of many things not only your religion
am just looking at u here, u are buzy bragging for 2-3days on this thread but contributed nothing but thrash
who do u think u can deceive with that approach saying choose YES or NO, even if i am to choose YES you have nothing to present
go and educate yourself on what it means by debate on comparative religion. you will loose nothing by saying you are out of idea then exit and give chance to the more knowledgeable amongst you to participate then watch i try to learn from that

Forgive his approach but to be fair, I think he has a point. You can't present a document as proof of something if you don't whole heartedly agree with it. I have never read the apocalypse of Peter and trust me, I have listened to lots of Islamic scholars (like I said, I love to learn), and not one of them has mentioned the apocalypse of Peter as a proof of the falseness of Christianity. My favourite Muslim scholar is Ally shabir by the way (forgive me If I spelt that wrong). So what does that tell you? Maybe the apocalypse of Peter isn't really valid. I don't know. Like I said, I have never seen it before (will do more research though). But if you want to present it as an argument, you have to believe everything in it. It's just like you guys reject some haddits and accept some. Forgetting that these haddits were written by Muslim scholars and nobody else. Well, that's an argument for another day. Peace.

ibtz:
And i don't even think jesus disciples wu were only twelve wud av been able to defend demselves against multitudes of jews against dem. Dey were small in no. Its similar to Muhammad, in d first 10 yrs of his mission, he was in mecca facing persecution, pagans killing his followers, left, rite and centre, he was insulted, stoned. But no, he persisted for ten gud years before Allah commanded him to move with his followers to medina. But d arab pagans went to dem in medina to kill dem again. But Allah commanded, fight against those wu fight u but if they cease, dey muslims shud cease also. So now u see afta facin 10 gud yrs of merciless killing and maiming, d pagans still pursued dem even afta wen d muslims left. D pagans had a mission to destroy every single muslim.
Read dis verse again

Quran 60:8 Allah does not forbid yu to deal justly and kindly with those who fought not against yu on account of religion nor drove yu out of ur homes. Verily, Allah loves those who deal with equity.
Quran 60:9 It is only as regards to those who fought against yu on religion, and have driven u out of ur homes, and helped to drive u out, that Allah forbids u to befriend them. And whosoever will befriend them, then such are the zalimun (wrong doers)


Imagine a force of 10,000 men against 1,000. Wu is d aggressor, wu is being oppressed.

So when Muhammad and his followers was in the minority, he preached peace. But when he had gotten a lot more followers he preached war? Now I get it. Are u telling me that the only time Muhammad fought unbelievers was to defend himself

ilynem:
So when Muhammad and his followers was in the minority, he preached peace. But when he had gotten a lot more followers he preached war? Now I get it. Are u telling me that the only time Muhammad fought unbelievers was to defend himself

He didnt preach war, he was commanded to defend himsef and fight for justice, fight against oppression just as d isrealites fought wars against their enemies wu seeked to destroy dem.

ibtz:
A Factual reply to the "Boko Haram" Nonsense!

BOKO HARAM VS RELIGION OF ISLAM

1. The Boko Haram kidnapp girls and force them to change their religion.
While
Islam says: “Let there be no compulsion in religion.....” (Qur’an 2:256)

2. The Boko Haram have forcefully married off girls.
While
Islam says: ".....Do not inherit women against their will....." (Qur’an 4:19)

3. The Boko Haram are aggressive towards those who do not follow their beliefs.
While
Islam says: “IF IT HAD BEEN YOUR LORD’S WILL, all of the people on Earth would have believed [in one religion]….” (Quran 10:99)

4. The Boko Haram have murdered thousands of Muslims and Christians alike in cold blood.
While
Islam says: “….If any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people...” (Quran 5:32)

5. The Boko Haram use the cover of Islam to commit their mayhem and claim they are doing ALLAH'S work or JIHAD (HOLY WAR).
While
Islam says: “…… BUT DO NOT TRANSGRESS LIMITS; FOR GOD LOVES NOT TRANSGRESSORS.” (Qur’an 2:190)"

6. The Boko Haram believe once you are not with them you are an enemy to them.
While
Islam says: “O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise each other)......” (Quran 49:13)

7. The Boko Haram have unleashed tyranny and indecency in the land.
While
Islam says: “God commands justice and doing good and giving to relatives. And He forbids indecency and doing wrong and tyranny....” (Quran 16:90)

Finally, upon all their false claims it is clear to see that Boko Haram do not represent Islam in any way because, they are acting against Islam.

I didn't read everything u wrote but one thing caught my attention. There is no compulsion in religion? Really? You lot kill anyone who converts. And please don't tell me that's a lie cuz I show u thousands of proof. How's that not compulsion? Never knew that was in the quoran sef

ibtz:
Allah protected his Prophet frm harm, afta his ascenscion to heaven, his disciples worshipped God and God alone and preached abt jesus being a Prophet of Gid, but it was paul wu was nt even a disciple that inspired d christianity of today. No jew followed jesus wen he was on earth, hw do u expect dem to follow his disciples. Allah sent guidance to d jews with a man of miraculous birth but they didnt accept still, do u den tink if Allah sent anoda prophet d jews wud hav accepted, no. So he left dem in their falsehood. Note : Jesus was sent unto d jews alone
Proof: d story of d canaan woman Matthew 15:22

So basically, jesus was a failure because be achieved nothing.

ibtz:
Wow, afta i av repeatedly said Allah instructs muslim only to fight wen in grave danger, too protect oursefs against dose dat wantto kill us, to opress us and stand for justice. U still bring up dis poo abt killing christians, now i undastand u r just out to demonize islam with clear hypocrisy

But I don't think there is anyone who wants to kill u.

ibtz:
He didnt preach war, he was commanded to defend himsef and fight for justice, fight against oppression just as d isrealites fought wars against their enemies wu seeked to destroy dem.

OK. Let us do this one after the other. Please I don't want long answers that beat around the bush cuz they tend to cloud my understanding. I ask, u answer. Short and precise. Like I will always say, we are not arguing but learning.
QUESTION 1. did Jesus die on the cross?

aminusanti:
Appreciated


Right from the start you've contradicted yourself by saying he is not God and much later again you said he is God?? Which one is which pls?
I don't know how you will view or interpret the verse below

"God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?  (From the NIV Bible, Numbers 23:19)"

U will never accept Psalm91 verses till u accept the verse above which I know is impossible for u but my simple question for you there is, why would Satan referred to psalm 91 regarding protection if he knw Jesus is God?? Or was satan just doing some kind of rehasals??

»Matthew 4:5-10

•5 Then the devil took him to the holy city, Jerusalem, to the highest point of the Temple, 

•6 and said, “If you are the Son of God, jump off! For the Scriptures say, ‘He will order his angels to protect you. And they will hold you up with their hands so you won’t even hurt your foot on a stone.’”
Comment: pls why would satan tempts jesus by quoting those verses if theyr not meant for him

•7 Jesus responded, “The Scriptures also say, ‘You must not test the Lord your God.’”

•8 Next the devil took him to the peak of a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. 

•9 “I will give it all to you,” he said, “if you will kneel down and worship me.”

•10 “Get out of here, Satan,” Jesus told him. “For the Scriptures say, ‘You must worship the Lord your God and serve only him.’”


Now let us talk about your "son of God" statement. Did you notice Jesus referred to himself as "Son of man"? This might shock you, but in Jewish custom, Son of God was nothing divine. Son of man on the other hand was a divine term. Proof? I will show you. Daniel 7: 13 and 14. “I saw in the night visions, and behold, with the clouds of heaven there came one like a son of man, and he came to the Ancient of Days and was presented before him. And to him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom, that all peoples, nations, and languages should serve him; his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom one that shall not be destroyed.” now compare this verse to mark 14: 61 and 62.
61] But he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?

Lol..my friend pls am not new to your bible
The phrase "son of man" carries no implication of divinity on the part of the person so described. The phrase clearly means "man in general" or "humanity" u can check Aramaic Bar enash (Strongs Concordance, Nos. 01247 and 0606 for meaning). The phrase "son of man" appears more the 100 time ur bible
Here r some examples

•"As God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah and the neighbour [cities] thereof, saith the LORD; [so] shall no man abide there, neither shall any son of man dwell therein.  (Jeremiah 50:40)"

"Therefore, son of man, speak unto the house of Israel, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Yet in this your fathers have blasphemed me, in that they have committed a trespass against me.  (Ezekiel 20:27)"

In all of the above-referenced passages, "son of man," merely is a phrase standing in the place of the name Ezekiel. God could as easily have said:

And he said unto me, Ezekiel, stand upon thy feet, and I will speak unto thee.

-- OR --

And he said unto me, Brother, stand upon thy feet, and I will speak unto thee.

"And it came to pass, when I, [even] I Daniel, had seen the vision, and sought for the meaning, then, behold, there stood before me as the appearance of a man.  And I heard a man's voice between [the banks of] Ulai, which called, and said, Gabriel, make this [man] to understand the vision.   So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end [shall be] the vision.  (Daniel 8:15-17 (King James Version))"

Gabriel, thus, addressed Daniel as "son of man." 

Again, no one - Christian, Jew or Muslim - would argue that this form of address proves that Daniel (peace be upon him) was God, the Son or God or part of the Godhead. 

If express address of Daniel and Ezekiel by angels and God himself as "son of man" do not make these prophets part of the Godhead, such references to Issa (peace be upon him) in the New Testament no more establish that Issa (peace be upon him) was divine or part of a Trinity.


I already answered on this but lets dot it this way
» No Allah did not started christianity because jesus disciples and the early christians doctrines declare that jesus never got crucified and they didnt believe jesus died for there sin and was raised up for their salvation and trinity concept.

They knw and the only satan in flesh here is Paul. Jesus wasn't a failure but this is a test for you people from God to see who look for the truth.

Xtians think that the apostles and paul were preaching the same doctrine and everyone believed in the divine jesus who came to be crucified for the sins of the world. However, if one examines the bible carefully, that person would observe that Paul and the disciples were not preaching the same doctrine and did not believe in the same Jesus.

The Apostles in Jerusalem heard that Paul has been preaching a different doctrine in Galatia and Corinthia. Paul was telling them not to follow the law anymore and that they don’t have to eat kosher meat anymore or to be circumcised (according to Genesis 17::14, the covenant is broken if there is no circumcision) etc. So the Apostles went to Galatia and Corinthia and convinced everyone that Paul is wrong, when Paul heard about this he went straight back to the cities………I can go on and on to prove how d teaching of paul differs from d teachings of jesus

I was writing a wrong reply but found myself deleting. Will address ur "son of man" argument much later. But you will do me well to tell me who the "son of man" that Daniel saw was.
Now let's do this the simple way. In order for us not to go out of topic, I will ask simple questions. And I need short answers cuz long writings can cloud my understanding.
Question one. Did Jesus die on the cross?

ilynem:
Forgive his approach but to be fair, I think he has a point. You can't present a document as proof of something if you don't whole heartedly agree with it. I have never read the apocalypse of Peter and trust me, I have listened to lots of Islamic scholars (like I said, I love to learn), and not one of them has mentioned the apocalypse of Peter as a proof of the falseness of Christianity. My favourite Muslim scholar is Ally shabir by the way (forgive me If I spelt that wrong). So what does that tell you? Maybe the apocalypse of Peter isn't really valid. I don't know. Like I said, I have never seen it before (will do more research though). But if you want to present it as an argument, you have to believe everything in it.

I respect n appreciate most of your post simply bcus u r honest in your replies but Pls try not to fall into this category of dis honest christian. If he has a point based on your explanation then that mean no muslim should be participating in this thread or any other xtian n muslim debate?

* Do muslims believe in Bible to be 100% word of God? NO
* Do you christians know about that? Yes
* why are they debating always?
*Do muslims quote bible verses in debate? YES
*Do we muslims believe bible was corrupted and altered? YES
* How do we prove that it was corrupted?
»by identifying contradiction within it
»comparing it with earlier scriptures etc
* who wrote this Book "Apocalypse of Peter"?
One of the Disciples of Jesus.
* Has dis book been use for centuries after jesus was gone ? YES

One can say he/she disagree with the scripture of "Apocalypse of Peter" as a christian by presenting his reasons but u can't stop me from making ref with it if I can present facts from it, there are a lot of things in it that correspond with the present bible today and most of dis scholars they sometimes use to give example with all dis early christian scriptures which I believe someday you will come across it

It's just like you guys reject some haddits and accept some. Forgetting that these haddits were written by Muslim scholars and nobody else. Well, that's an argument for another day. Peace.

Agreed muslims considered some hadith authentic and some not authentic. These 2 things that u are trying to compare here can never be the same as u said above.

A hadith dat is considered non authentic hadiths or weak if they r contradicting to the teaching of Quran or that has a long chain of narrator like from 1 person to another and another and it becomes something different at the end, As we all know the early stage of it's transmitted as word of mouth then much later put it in written by people so If the chain of narrators is not reliable it will be considered as weak or not authentic. there r certain methodology use when analyzing hadith authenticity which I can't xplain here maybe in a diff thread. but in the case of your Bible it is completely a different things
I don't know if you ever heard of 'RED LETTER BIBLE' in that version of new testament bible it has the word of jesus written in red which we believe is authentic but the issue is those words of jesus are only 18% in the NT bible (Red Letter version) the remaining 82% was written by Paul containing the translation of Mathew, Luke, mark etc
In christianity despite all the crystal clear contradiction, errors and alteration in the bible one doesn't have that privilege to analyze and select reliable and non reliable saying of these Luke, Mathew, Mark etc? NO

How are they the same pls??

Sorry for my grammatical errors

Peace