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Empiree:
See now that you are alone?. Now that the muslim brother, aminusanti is somehow interested in this thread, they disappeared. They only want to talk trash. You are alone striving to deal with the situation here. They knew they cant succeed debating muslims.

bagdhadi that came around recently only talked trash again. Thats what they do best. You kicked off like a lion and ending up like a wingless bird

Keep quiet.
Because people want the discussion to proceed one by one and not cluster like a drunk mob should not make u talk rubbish.
The line by line questions and answers has already exposed so many inconsistencies.

You keep confusing volume with intelligence...

Empiree:
See now that you are alone?. Now that the muslim brother, aminusanti is somehow interested in this thread, they disappeared. They only want to talk trash. You are alone striving to deal with the situation here. They knew they cant succeed debating muslims.

bagdhadi that came around recently only talked trash again. Thats what they do best. You kicked off like a lion and ending up like a wingless bird

Hmmm. I am not here to fight anyone my brother. Aminusanti is actually lecturing me and this is exactly how I want it. Thank you.

aminusanti:
you can decide to conclude it anyhow that will suit you but anytime u r ready for the truth you can always refer to my last2 post which i already explain in detail and i ask u question u refuse to answer


As for ur 2nd query, nothing makes his teachings different from the other prophets b4 him which was to worship our creator alone without associating partners but ur bible said they wanted to kill him because he claim to be son of God which is not even close to the truth, any time you want to discussion on that topic "son of God" pls tag me.
The main reason why the jews wanted to kill him was
Because he was trying to get them to leave their evils ways and return to the true teachings of Musa(Moses)(AS). But they didn't like this one bit so they hatched a plot to kill Isa(AS) but Allah(SWT) saved him from them and raised him up. This happens to most of the prophets of God, do a little research on that n you will see nothing differentiate him from other prophet in terms of trial

OK. Let me get this straight. The Jews no longer followed the law and Jesus was trying to make them go back to following the laws of Moses, so they tried to kill him. So if you may, what exactly did they accuse him of?

ilynem:
Hmmm. I am not here to fight anyone my brother. Aminusanti is actually lecturing me and this is exactly how I want it. Thank you.

Good, Understood

ilynem:
OK. Let me get this straight. The Jews no longer followed the law and Jesus was trying to make them go back to following the laws of Moses, so they tried to kill him.

Sorry I can't be giving short2 answers without explaining them in details thats not a good approach for better understand. So, I will be detailing my answers based on your queries and within the topic.

Like I said in my previous post the Jews wanted to kill him bcus he was trying to get them to leave their evils ways and return to the true teachings of Musa(Moses)(AS). But they didn't like this one bit so they hatched a plot to kill Isa(AS) but God Almighty saved him from them and raised him up.

»Matthew 15:24«
"I was sent only to help God's lost sheep--the people of Israel."

He was sent to the lost ones possibly not all are lost.

So if you may, what exactly did they accuse him of?

They accused him of Blasphemy.

Pls consider reading my explanation below so that u don't just claim I said blasphemy much later.

You want to claim that since Jews accused him of making blasphemous remarks in (john 10:25-33) and made himself as God then this means he is God. Such an argument only exposes how desperate Christians are in trying to prove Jesus is God but lets read this below

Jesus himself gave them (the jew) a very strong rebuke:
 
»Matthew 12:38-39«
38 Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee.  39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation [/b]seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas

Notice what Jesus had to say about the Jewish nation, he called them evil, and adulterous, yet now Christians want us to believe that these same lying Jews are correct! In fact, Jesus also shows that these Jews killed OTHER prophets:
 
»[b]Mat 23:37«
O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, [thou] that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under [her] wings, and ye would not!
 
So the Jews had killed and stoned other prophets before Jesus came to them! One only has to wonder what those men were stoned for, it is obvious that they were also most likely stoned for the same reason as why they wanted to stone Jesus, they most likely accused those men of blasphemy and making themselves as God.

But instead of looking at what the hypocrite evil Jews said about Jesus, why don’t we look at what the true believing Jews said about Jesus, did he think he was God, or a prophet:
 
»Matthew 16:13-14«

13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? 14 And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets
 
So note, Jesus asks his students who do the men say I am, and the men say that he is one of the prophets; none of them said he is GOD! How strange, you can never find anything in the Bible of believing Jews believing that Jesus is God, never! You will always find that the Jews who believed in him took him as a prophet, and a great man who definitely came from God, but was not God.
 
In fact the Jews who wanted Jesus dead were always wrong, they never understood anything of what he said, and since they already didn’t like him, and were looking for trouble, this would cloud their minds and not make them think rationally about Jesus’ statements.

For instance in this case, Jesus said that he and the Father were one, how in the world is that blasphemous?! Had the Jews listened carefully to him, they would have seen that he meant one united, one in the same cause, as the disciples are also one with them, all together! The Jews thought that him saying I and the Father are one meant that he is the Father! So they went crazy, they did not understand what he meant, since to them the Father was the true God, Jesus saying him and the Father is one sounded like he was claiming he is the Father to their ears.

Empiree:
See now that you are alone?. Now that the muslim brother, aminusanti is somehow interested in this thread, they disappeared. They only want to talk trash. You are alone striving to deal with the situation here. They knew they cant succeed debating muslims.

bagdhadi that came around recently only talked trash again. Thats what they do best. You kicked off like a lion and ending up like a wingless bird

U r absolutely correct. I never take those clowns serious and the only thing u can learn from is insults n fauls accusations that they can't defend
I wonder if that's how jesus taught them to preach their religion..

aminusanti:
Sorry I can't be giving short2 answers without explaining them in details thats not a good approach for better understand. So, I will be detailing my answers based on your queries and within the topic.

Like I said in my previous post the Jews wanted to kill him bcus he was trying to get them to leave their evils ways and return to the true teachings of Musa(Moses)(AS). But they didn't like this one bit so they hatched a plot to kill Isa(AS) but God Almighty saved him from them and raised him up.

»Matthew 15:24«
"I was sent only to help God's lost sheep--the people of Israel."

He was sent to the lost ones possibly not all are lost.



They accused him of Blasphemy.

Pls consider reading my explanation below so that u don't just claim I said blasphemy much later.

You want to claim that since Jews accused him of making blasphemous remarks in (john 10:25-33) and made himself as God then this means he is God. Such an argument only exposes how desperate Christians are in trying to prove Jesus is God but lets read this below

Jesus himself gave them (the jew) a very strong rebuke:
 
»Matthew 12:38-39«
38 Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee.  39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation [/b]seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas

Notice what Jesus had to say about the Jewish nation, he called them evil, and adulterous, yet now Christians want us to believe that these same lying Jews are correct! In fact, Jesus also shows that these Jews killed OTHER prophets:
 
»[b]Mat 23:37«
O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, [thou] that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under [her] wings, and ye would not!
 
So the Jews had killed and stoned other prophets before Jesus came to them! One only has to wonder what those men were stoned for, it is obvious that they were also most likely stoned for the same reason as why they wanted to stone Jesus, they most likely accused those men of blasphemy and making themselves as God.

But instead of looking at what the hypocrite evil Jews said about Jesus, why don’t we look at what the true believing Jews said about Jesus, did he think he was God, or a prophet:
 
»Matthew 16:13-14«

13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? 14 And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets
 
So note, Jesus asks his students who do the men say I am, and the men say that he is one of the prophets; none of them said he is GOD! How strange, you can never find anything in the Bible of believing Jews believing that Jesus is God, never! You will always find that the Jews who believed in him took him as a prophet, and a great man who definitely came from God, but was not God.
 
In fact the Jews who wanted Jesus dead were always wrong, they never understood anything of what he said, and since they already didn’t like him, and were looking for trouble, this would cloud their minds and not make them think rationally about Jesus’ statements.

For instance in this case, Jesus said that he and the Father were one, how in the world is that blasphemous?! Had the Jews listened carefully to him, they would have seen that he meant one united, one in the same cause, as the disciples are also one with them, all together! The Jews thought that him saying I and the Father are one meant that he is the Father! So they went crazy, they did not understand what he meant, since to them the Father was the true God, Jesus saying him and the Father is one sounded like he was claiming he is the Father to their ears.

Perfectly understood. Thanks for taking your time with this. Now this brings us to the "death". If I am to sum up all what you explained, the Jews wanted him dead because he called them out for their wrong doings and then accused him of blasphemy when he didn't really blasphem. Good.
Now when they wanted to kill him, God saved him. That's understandable. God also placed another person in His stead. This is the part that confuses me. Why exactly would God do that? Probably make em kill an innocent just to He can save his prophet?

ilynem:
Perfectly understood. Thanks for taking your time with this. Now this brings us to the "death". If I am to sum up all what you explained, the Jews wanted him dead because he called them out for their wrong doings and then accused him of blasphemy when he didn't really blasphem. Good.
Now when they wanted to kill him, God saved him. That's understandable. God also placed another person in His stead. This is the part that confuses me. Why exactly would God do that? Probably make em kill an innocent just to He can save his prophet?

No sir. There is no where it mention that someone replace jesus on the cross in the islamic scripture but some scholars came up with dis guesswork and speculations which no value. God openly declares the true facts in the Qur'an, saying that He used His divine might to raise this blessed prophet, alive, to the heavens. For those who look at the greatness of the divine might and its manifestation in the universe, with millions of creations, with the eye of the heart, it is impossible to regard the raising of a glorious prophet, in body and soul, to the highest levels, as an untrustworthy

aminusanti:
No sir. There is no where it mention that someone replace jesus on the cross in the islamic scripture but some scholars came up with dis guesswork and speculations which no value. God openly declares the true facts in the Qur'an, saying that He used His divine might to raise this blessed prophet, alive, to the heavens. For those who look at the greatness of the divine might and its manifestation in the universe, with millions of creations, with the eye of the heart, it is impossible to regard the raising of a glorious prophet, in body and soul, to the highest levels, as an untrustworthy

Whether he replaced someone is irrelevant. The point is that God made them think they killed Jesus. Any particular reason why God didn't just save Jesus? Why did he have to make them think they killed Him?

aminusanti:
No sir. There is no where it mention that someone replace jesus on the cross in the islamic scripture but some scholars came up with dis guesswork and speculations which no value. God openly declares the true facts in the Qur'an, saying that He used His divine might to raise this blessed prophet, alive, to the heavens. For those who look at the greatness of the divine might and its manifestation in the universe, with millions of creations, with the eye of the heart, it is impossible to regard the raising of a glorious prophet, in body and soul, to the highest levels, as an untrustworthy

Whether he replaced someone is irrelevant. The point is that God made them think they killed Jesus. Any particular reason why God didn't just save Jesus? Why did he have to make them think they killed Him?

Empiree:
This post of your is quiet irrational. Did any muslim deny Jesus(p) being Christ?

Muslims deny the father and the son, so Islam is an Antichrist religion.


1 John 2:22
And who is a liar? Anyone who says that Jesus is not the Christ. Anyone who denies the FATHER and the SON is an ANTICHRIST.

ilynem:
Whether he replaced someone is irrelevant. The point is that God made them think they killed Jesus. Any particular reason why God didn't just save Jesus? Why did he have to make them think they killed Him?

Allah's action of making them think they killed Yahshua is one of the main reasons why we have Christianity today.

These muslims fail to admit that.

ilynem:
Whether he replaced someone is irrelevant. The point is that God made them think they killed Jesus. Any particular reason why God didn't just save Jesus? Why did he have to make them think they killed Him?

Why was Jesus disguised as a gardener after allegedly being "raised alive"? Who was he afraid of??

alBHAGDADI:
Muslims deny the father and the son, so Islam is an Antichrist religion.


1 John 2:22
And who is a liar? Anyone who says that Jesus is not the Christ. Anyone who denies the FATHER and the SON is an ANTICHRIST.

What is "FATHER"?

What is "SON"?

What is CHRIST?

When you answered these, then, only then i can properly diagnose your dilemma

Empiree:
What is "FATHER"?

What is "SON"?

What is CHRIST?

When you answered these, then, only then i can properly diagnose your dilemma

The Father is YAHWEH who is God. His Son is Yahshua. Christ means Messiah.

Muslims have denied that Yahshua is the son of YAHWEH. This makes them the Antichrist according to that verse.

aminusanti:
Why was Jesus disguised as a gardener after allegedly being "raised alive"? Who was he afraid of??

You haven't answered his question. You only replied with a question.

Pls, do answer him.

aminusanti:
Why was Jesus disguised as a gardener after allegedly being "raised alive"? Who was he afraid of??

He was not disguised as a gardener. You probably lack comprehension skills. The woman was the one that mistook him for a gardener, cos she didn't expect the person she knew was dead to be the one talking to her. Hence, she passed him off as a gardener or something else.


John 20:15

"Dear woman, why are you crying?" Jesus asked her. "Who are you looking for?" She thought he was the gardener. "Sir," she said, "if you have taken him away, tell me where you have put him, and I will go and get him."

alBHAGDADI:
[s]You haven't answered his question. You only replied with a question.

Pls, do answer him[/s].

.

alBHAGDADI:
[s]He was not disguised as a gardener. You probably lack comprehension skills. The woman was the one that mistook him for a gardener, cos she didn't expect the person she knew was dead to be the one talking to her. Hence, she passed him off as a gardener or something else.


John 20:15

"Dear woman, why are you crying?" Jesus asked her. "Who are you looking for?" She thought he was the gardener. "Sir," she said, "if you have taken him away, tell me where you have put him, and I will go and get him.[/s]"

pls stop quoting me

aminusanti:
Why was Jesus disguised as a gardener after allegedly being "raised alive"? Who was he afraid of??

You can't answer a question with another. You are teaching me.

aminusanti:
pls stop quoting me

Instead of answering his question, You tried to derail or flee away from the question he raised. That you did by lying that Yahshua disguised as a gardener. Now, that I have exposed your tactics of derailing and also your lie, you decide to keep me off your track.

Thank God nairaland is not twitter. Some terrorists would have blocked me.

ilynem:
You can't answer a question with another. You are teaching me.

He has no answer.

alBHAGDADI:
Instead of answering his question, You tried to derail or flee away from the question he raised. That you did by lying that Yahshua disguised as a gardener. Now, that I have exposed your tactics of derailing and also your lie, you decide to keep me off your track.

Thank God nairaland is not twitter. Some terrorists would have blocked me.

ok

alBHAGDADI:
The Father is YAHWEH who is God. His Son is Yahshua. Christ means Messiah.

Muslims have denied that Yahshua is the son of YAHWEH. This makes them the Antichrist according to that verse.

I am just gonna give you benefit of the doubt. And this is going to be your last chance.


#Thank you for telling us what "FATHER" means. You said it means God. Deep down your heart you know too well muslims believe in God knowns as Allah to us.


#Thanks for telling us Christ is Messiah. Quran confirms this. So we muslims believe in Christ/Messiah know as Jesus the son of Mary.


#You said "Son is Yahshua". Now we have problems here. Is christ/Messiah different from son the Yahshua?.

From very simply anaylsis, you seem to describe 3 people here {God the Father, Son the Yahshua and Christ/Messiah}. So far, i am cleared with #1 & 2 but i need you to clarify who son the Yahshua is. Thank you

Empiree:
I am just gonna give you benefit of the doubt. And this is going to be your last chance.


#Thank you for telling us what "FATHER" means. You said it means God. Deep down your heart you know too well muslims believe in God knowns as Allah to us.


#Thanks for telling us Christ is Messiah. Quran confirms this. So we muslims believe in Christ/Messiah know as Jesus the son of Mary.


#You said "Son is Yahshua". Now we have problems here. Is christ/Messiah different from son the Yahshua?.

From very simply anaylsis, you seem to describe 3 people here {God the Father, Son the Yahshua and Christ/Messiah}. So far, i am cleared with #1 & 2 but i need you to clarify who son the Yahshua is. Thank you

Yahshua the Messiah is the Son of YAHWEH the God who created the entire universe.

ilynem:
You can't answer a question with another. You are teaching me.

Did u just said I CAN'T ask question?
& Am here to teach you?
Try not to play funny here pls

U can quote me when u are ready to answer the question..

Muslims are very funny.

They claim Yahshua was not crucified nor killed, yet they claim the words “Eli, Eli , lema sabachthani ?” that he said on the cross was actually "Allah, Allah, Lema sabachtani".

If Yahshua wasn't crucified, according to them, then who was the person they love to claim said "Allah, allah, Lema sabachtani"?

Na wah for them o

aminusanti:
Did u just said I CAN'T ask question?
& Am here to teach you?
Try not to play funny here pls

U can quote me when u are ready to answer the question..

He didn't say you can't ask questions. He only said you cannot attend to his question by asking a question when you ought to simply provide an answer.

I believe the reason why you are afraid of answering his question is simply because it will make you expose what we've been saying concerning Allah engineering the creation of Christianity. That's why you have been running away, same thing you've been doing since the beginning of the thread. I guess he got you this time.

No matter how much you try to escape the question, it will still stare at you in the face.



"Why did he have to make them think they killed Him?"

alBHAGDADI:
Yahshua the Messiah is the Son of YAHWEH the God who created the entire universe.

Sir, dont get worked up. Let's keepit simple and real.

We get it. Yahwey is God and creator of the universe. We get it.

What I want to know is, is christ/messiah also Yahshua?

alBHAGDADI:
[s]He didn't say you can't ask questions. He only said you cannot attend to his question by asking a question when you ought to simply provide an answer.

I believe the reason why you are afraid of answering his question is simply because it will make you expose what we've been saying concerning Allah engineering the creation of Christianity. That's why you have been running away, same thing you've been doing since the beginning of the thread. I guess he got you this time.

No matter how much you try to escape the question, it will still stare at you in the face.



"Why did he have to make them think they killed Him?"[/s]

Next

Empiree:
Sir, dont get worked up. Let's keepit simple and real.

We get it. Yahwey is God and creator of the universe. We get it.

What I want to know is, is christ/messiah also Yahshua?

Stop trying to cleverly derail the point.

Christ is the Greek equivalent of the Hebrew word Messiah. The same way you will say Jesus Christ is the same way you will say Yahshua Messiah

aminusanti:
Next

@ilynem When I told you in the beginning that aminusanti has no answer to the questions raised in the OP, you probably thought I was joking.

His posts so far have been aimed at derailing or wrongly answering the questions. But am glad that every time he does that, the questions keep staring him in the face unanswered.

Good job ilynem