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nemesis2u:
no, not by a long way.

it has kind of slowed down but it will pick up when the Russian economy gains .

What is happening with India?

Wasn't the Teams supposed to compliment the Mig-29k?

http://quwa.org/2017/01/31/india-issues-rfi-57-carrier-borne-fighters/

Henry240:
What is happening with India?

Wasn't the Teams supposed to compliment the Mig-29k?

http://quwa.org/2017/01/31/india-issues-rfi-57-carrier-borne-fighters/

already posted it 2 weeks ago . u should visit this thread more often

the RFI is for carrier borne aircraft's for Vikrant class aircraft carrier presently under construction. the said fighters will also operate from the next in line Vishal class aircraft carrier which is now in design phase.

LCA MK1 NAVAL is a TD (technology demonstrator, around 20 ordered) which will validate technologies for carrier borne operations, it will help smoother development of LCA MK2 NAVAL. NAVAL carrier borne aircraft's need around 20-30% better performance than land based fighters.

MIG29K performance has not been upto the mark so future induction of more MIG29K has been stopped.

so for indian navy combat aircraft's inventory will be
1.45 MiG-29K/KUB
2.57 Rafale M (this will get selected)
3.20 LCA MK1 NAVAL (TD and shore based training)

for operations from
INS Vikramaditya (MIG29K)
INS Vikrant (Rafale M)

nemesis2u:
already posted it 2 weeks ago . u should visit this thread more often

the RFI is for carrier borne aircraft's for Vikrant class aircraft carrier presently under construction. the said fighters will also operate from the next in line Vishal class aircraft carrier which is now in design phase.

LCA MK1 NAVAL is a TD (technology demonstrator, around 20 ordered) which will validate technologies for carrier borne operations, it will help smoother development of LCA MK2 NAVAL. NAVAL carrier borne aircraft's need around 20-30% better performance than land based fighters.

MIG29K performance has not been upto the mark so future induction of more MIG29K has been stopped.

so for indian navy combat aircraft's inventory will be
1.45 MiG-29K/KUB
2.57 Rafale M (this will get selected)
3.20 LCA MK1 NAVAL (TD and shore based training)

for operations from
INS Vikramaditya (MIG29K)
INS Vikrant (Rafale M)

I should visit often.

However on the Tejas, the reports that I read disagree with you. The Indian Navy in the report claims the performance of the Tejas has been well below par. The fighter can ski-jump with it's weapons load.

It seems the new aircraft carrier would be COTOBAR, hence the Rafael M would be a logical choice.

It's unfortunate for the Mig-29k, I really love that aircraft. Is there a possibility that if the Mig-29k was COTOBAR compliant it's performance would have improved? As you know with a Ski-jump, an aircraft cannot carry it's full weapons load or simply the performance of the Mig-29k has simply been poor?


This rejection could be bad news for the MIG-35.

Henry240:
I should visit often.

However on the Tejas, the reports that I read disagree with you. The Indian Navy in the report claims the performance of the Tejas has been well below par. The fighter can ski-jump with it's weapons load.

agreeing / disagreeing don't change facts becz in majority of cases only people directly involved will know the true facts


1.the fact that LCA MK1 NAVAL is/was a technology demonstrator is the very reason why the LCA MK2 project was started 5 years ago. LCA MK2 has always been a naval project where in the future it might have a land version (LCA MK2 AF). did u even know this ?

2.unlike LCA MK1 which was always a air force project from start, late into the program the navy jumped in asking for a naval variant LCA MK1 NAVAL ,inspite of knowing the inherent short comings of converting a land fighter into a naval carrier based fighter and the obvious penalty for not using a design optimized for carrier operations. again did u know this ?

3.what report ? show me the official Indian navy report .

4.QUWA is a pa****** site (nationalism can/will obscure facts ) which sources selective Indian media presstitudes who again sources their reports from their asses, pu**y etc , misquoting , twisting everything to suit their selfish needs.

only
US
FRENCH
RUSSIA
UK
INDIA
makes naval fighter aircraft's and this says a lot. making a carrier fighter in the first attempt is not a joke , short comings will always be there, to be resolved in subsequent blocks / newer versions

ever wonder why JF17, F16 etc have a block system ?


again 20 LCA MK1 will be used to test/fly from shore/carriers within their limited capabilities (limited operational load, lower thrust etc) to make the development of the India's first combat aircraft LCA MK2 purpose built for carrier operations (that is more demanding parameters like thrust , weapons load ,MTOW , optimized landing gear etc is factored in from the design stage) smoother and trouble free.

and it will also contribute to development of NAVAL versions of AMCA and maybe FGFA (pakfa)


pic: LCA MK1 AF first flight with IFR

edit : in brief all i am saying is that what i wrote earlier about lca mk1 naval being a TD is true , simply becz media/bloggers etc r too dumb to notice this fact (proofs given above)

Henry240:
I should visit often.

It's unfortunate for the Mig-29k, I really love that aircraft. Is there a possibility that if the Mig-29k was COTOBAR compliant it's performance would have improved? As you know with a Ski-jump, an aircraft cannot carry it's full weapons load or simply the performance of the Mig-29k has simply been poor?

This rejection could be bad news for the MIG-35.

MIG29K nemesis is its below par performance including low operational availability , now indian navy is banging their heads to resolve them.
indians never wanted to buy MIG29K , but did not have choice becz the carrier is russian designed and russia agreed to sell it if we bought the MIG29K along with it.

nemesis2u:
3.what report ?

4.QUWA is a pa****** site (nationalism can/will obscure facts ) which sources selective Indian media presstitudes who again sources their reports from their asses, pu**y etc , misquoting , twisting everything to suit their selfish needs.

Indian Navy launches search to procure
57 carrier-borne fighter jets
At present, the Navy operates 45
MIG-29K jets, which from time-to-time
face serviceability issues. Currently, six
planes are compatible for aircraft
carrier flying.

21
SHARES
PTI | New Delhi | Published:January 28,
2017 10:25 pm

Having rejected indigenously built
‘Tejas’ as too heavy, the Indian Navy has
launched a Request for Information to
procure 57 multi-role combat aircraft for
its carrier. Last month, Navy Chief Admiral
Sunil Lanba had said the “present LCA does
not meet the carrier capability required by
the Navy”. He had said the service would
continue to support its development but “at
the same time we will seek aircraft
elsewhere which can operate on the
aircraft carrier”.

The RFI, dated January 17, says the aircraft
are “intended as day-and-night capable, all-
weather, multi-role, deck-based combat
aircraft which can be used for air defence,
air-to-surface operations, buddy refuelling,
reconnaissance etc from IN aircraft
carriers”. The companies have been asked
to respond by May. While it has not been
specified whether the Navy wants single-
engine or twin-engine multi-role carrier-
borne fighters, sources said that given the
role mentioned, the aircraft will be a
medium-to-heavy, twin-engine one.
At present, the Navy operates 45 MIG-29K
jets, which from time-to-time face
serviceability issues. Currently, six planes
are compatible for aircraft carrier flying.
They are Rafale (Dassault, France), F-18
Super Hornet (Boeing, US), MIG-29K
(Russia), F-35B and F-35C (Lockheed
Martin, US) and Gripen (Saab, Sweden).
While F-18, Rafale and MIG-29K are twin
engine jets, the remaining three have.

Stop throwing blames left, right and center, there are no Pakistanis here. Most Nigerians don't even know where Pakistan is.


It's was an Indian source i got the report from, not Quwa.org

Henry240:
Stop throwing blames left, right and center, there are no Pakistanis here. Most Nigerians don't even know where Pakistan is.


It's was an Indian source i got the report from, not Quwa.org

what p******* ?

u gave/posted me a link which is p******* website whom i did not even blame , i blamed the Indian media from whom they sourced .(see u got to read first every word before jumping to unnecessary and uncalled for accusations)

my only reference to p******** was relating to the website link u posted

i am a firm believer that "one must wipe his own ass instead of trying to wipe others ass"

i am not concerned with who knows whom , science / technology is not influenced by nationality.

dont go putting words in to my mouth and
also ur accusations r totally way off track .

Henry240:
Indian Navy launches search to procure
57 carrier-borne fighter jets
At present, the Navy operates 45
MIG-29K jets, which from time-to-time
face serviceability issues. Currently, six
planes are compatible for aircraft
carrier flying.

21
SHARES
PTI | New Delhi | Published:January 28,
2017 10:25 pm

Having rejected indigenously built
‘Tejas’ as too heavy, the Indian Navy has
launched a Request for Information to
procure 57 multi-role combat aircraft for
its carrier. Last month, Navy Chief Admiral
Sunil Lanba had said the “present LCA does
not meet the carrier capability required by
the Navy”. He had said the service would
continue to support its development but “at
the same time we will seek aircraft
elsewhere which can operate on the
aircraft carrier”.

The RFI, dated January 17, says the aircraft
are “intended as day-and-night capable, all-
weather, multi-role, deck-based combat
aircraft which can be used for air defence,
air-to-surface operations, buddy refuelling,
reconnaissance etc from IN aircraft
carriers”. The companies have been asked
to respond by May. While it has not been
specified whether the Navy wants single-
engine or twin-engine multi-role carrier-
borne fighters, sources said that given the
role mentioned, the aircraft will be a
medium-to-heavy, twin-engine one.
At present, the Navy operates 45 MIG-29K
jets, which from time-to-time face
serviceability issues. Currently, six planes
are compatible for aircraft carrier flying.
They are Rafale (Dassault, France), F-18
Super Hornet (Boeing, US), MIG-29K
(Russia), F-35B and F-35C (Lockheed
Martin, US) and Gripen (Saab, Sweden).
While F-18, Rafale and MIG-29K are twin
engine jets, the remaining three have.

the air force chief was asked a specific question and he gave a specific answer

Having rejected indigenously built
‘Tejas’ as too heavy, the Indian Navy has
launched a Request for Information to
procure 57 multi-role combat aircraft for
its carrier. Last month, Navy Chief Admiral
Sunil Lanba had said the “present LCA does
not meet the carrier capability required by
the Navy”. He had said the service would
continue to support its development but “at
the same time we will seek aircraft
elsewhere which can operate on the
aircraft carrier”.

for the layman/common man it means ( Navy Chief Admiral Sunil Lanba reply) , LCA MK1 is not suitable for Indian navy requirements of carrier based operations.

for the informed and for the people in the loop it means (something which the Navy Chief Admiral Sunil Lanba did not say since he was not asked specifically ) that LCA MK1 was a TD which was used and will be used to test and validate carrier borne technologies and not for operational role . simply becz navy 5 years ago came up with the LCAMK2 idea with more powerful engines optimized for carrier ops from the design phase itself.

also the jackass and clueless media does not realize that the RFI is tailored to get the Rafale M into the navy and to take advantage of the RAFALE MII (TOT / industrial infrastructure being developed for Rafale ) associated with the indian air force rafale acquisition.
do u know this , i guess not because no media reported it.

i dont have to rely on media reports and is the very reason why i barely post new/media reports

also nobody here has to agree with me , if u r already convinced with u views / opinions then why the heck even ask me ?

nemesis2u:
the air force chief was asked a specific question and he gave a specific answer

Having rejected indigenously built
‘Tejas’ as too heavy, the Indian Navy has
launched a Request for Information to
procure 57 multi-role combat aircraft for
its carrier. Last month, Navy Chief Admiral
Sunil Lanba had said the “present LCA does
not meet the carrier capability required by
the Navy”. He had said the service would
continue to support its development but “at
the same time we will seek aircraft
elsewhere which can operate on the
aircraft carrier”.

for the layman/common man it means ( Navy Chief Admiral Sunil Lanba reply) , LCA MK1 is not suitable for Indian navy requirements of carrier based operations.

for the informed and for the people in the loop it means (something which the Navy Chief Admiral Sunil Lanba did not say since he was not asked specifically ) that LCA MK1 was a TD which was used and will be used to test and validate carrier borne technologies and not for operational role . simply becz navy 5 years ago came up with the LCAMK2 idea with more powerful engines optimized for carrier ops from the design phase itself.

also the jackass and clueless media does not realize that the RFI is tailored to get the Rafale M into the navy and to take advantage of the RAFALE MII (TOT / industrial infrastructure being developed for Rafale ) associated with the indian air force rafale acquisition.
do u know this , i guess not because no media reported it.

i dont have to rely on media reports and is the very reason why i barely post new/media reports

also nobody here has to agree with me , if u r already convinced with u views / opinions then why the heck even ask me ?

composite materials were used extensively in your Tejas and its still heavy .wot would have happened is if it was an all metal airframe like the Jf17.

it might end not taking off.

you guys need to go back to the drawing board or better still poach some of the remaining Ukrainian technicians

nemesis2u:
the air force chief was asked a specific question and he gave a specific answer

I could not careless about India. If you wanna post a reply fine, if you don't wanna post reply, still okay by me.


I only posted it because i wanted to get an alternative opinion, not because i'm genuinely interested to be honest.

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Henry240:
I could not careless about India. If you wanna post a reply fine, if you don't wanna post reply, still okay by me.


I only posted it because i wanted to get an alternative opinion, not because i'm genuinely interested to be honest.

why keep raising India and Pakistan ?

u having a bad day
or looking to pick a fight

either way i aint entertaining u

giles14:
composite materials were used extensively in your Tejas and its still heavy .wot would have happened is if it was an all metal airframe like the Jf17.

it might end not taking off.

you guys need to go back to the drawing board or better still poach some of the remaining Ukrainian technicians

ur really fuuking all civility

i dont have the habit of bad mouthing / giving expert opinion on other countries achievements / products in defense .

regarding ur advice.......... LMAOF

let me tell u google trained expertise has very very severe limits
otherwise there would not have been lack of doctors engineers scientists ....... and aircraft designers in this world

nemesis2u:
why keep raising India and Pakistan ?

u having a bad day
or looking to pick a fight

either way i aint entertaining u

You definitely to get it. Let me rephrase, I could not be less borthered about what India does with her military.

Like I said previously, I only wanted a second opinion and not necessarily because I'm interested.

Henry240:
You definitely to get it. Let me rephrase, I could not be less borthered about what India does with her military.

Like I said previously, I only wanted a second opinion and not necessarily because I'm interested.

You definitely did not get it. Let me rephrase I could not be less bothered about what country/topics/advisories ur interested in


me i don't give a shiit.

nemesis2u:
You definitely did not get it. Let me rephrase I could not be less bothered about what country/topics/advisories ur interested in


me i don't give a shiit.

Okay, good we've got this out of the way.

Henry240:
Okay, good we've got this out of the way.

Okay, good

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZnjDygq5sI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8vf9H7J5ww

thats is a damn awesome loadout

talk about scenery

additional good news for LCA

1.indigenous Kaveri engine on Tejas by 2018-19

2.1st production line of LCA active , 2nd production line of LCA completed recently ,3rd production line of LCA to be set up shortly

by 2019-20 >24 LCA will be churned out annually

HAL currently outsources 50% of the LCA production to Indian private entities, they are targetting 60% and apparently have plans for 80% (according to some, with 80% outsourcing HAL could produce 25-28 LCA/year with just 2 production lines).


after R 73 , PYTHON 5.......... ASRAAM to be integrated to LCA

for BVR DERBY , DERBY-I , ASTRA MK1 AND maybe R77

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nemesis2u:
additional good news for LCA

1.indigenous Kaveri engine on Tejas by 2018-19

2.1st production line of LCA active , 2nd production line of LCA completed recently ,3rd production line of LCA to be set up shortly

by 2019-20 >24 LCA will be churned out annually

HAL currently outsources 50% of the LCA production to Indian private entities, they are targetting 60% and apparently have plans for 80% (according to some, with 80% outsourcing HAL could produce 25-28 LCA/year with just 2 production lines).


after R 73 , PYTHON 5.......... ASRAAM to be integrated to LCA

for BVR DERBY , DERBY-I , ASTRA MK1 AND maybe R77

Howmany aircrafts will each production line pump out on average and what's the total amount of aircraft in order, Air Force and navy included

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jakeporeshenko:
Howmany aircrafts will each production line pump out on average and what's the total amount of aircraft in order, Air Force and navy included

air force = 20 MK1 (IOC configuration) + 20 MK1 (FOC configuration , now will come in MK1A configuration) + 83 MK1A

navy = 20 MK1 NAVAL

these r confirmed orders ,paid for.

future orders
navy = LCA MK2 NAVAL (2020-2021)
airforce = LCA MK1A , LCA MK2 (2020-2021)

as to ur question regarding how many aircraft's each production line will produce it is variable as it will depend on the L1/Tier-1 vendors/suppliers, since HAL currently outsources 50% of the LCA production to Indian private entities/vendors/suppliers, they are targetting 60% and apparently have plans for 80% and according to some, with 80% outsourcing HAL could produce 25-28 LCA/year with just 2 production lines.

currently 8-10 LCA MK1 was being produced and will shortly increase to 16 LCA MK1 , for LCA MK1A production rate will be 24+

when the 3rd production line comes up rate of production will increase.

making production lines is very costly , even more costly and time consuming is to get the L1 vendors supply chain running which involves TOT , setting up manufacturing lines, certifying , ensuring QC across hundreds of vendors and suppliers spread across the country.

LCA MK1A Tejas Mk1A with active electronically scanned array radar (AESA), an electronic warfare suite (comprising a digital radar warning receiver and podded jammer), and an in-flight refuelling probe etc will cost around 40 million $.

The budgetary approval of $7.7 billion for 83 aircraft also includes the complete ecosystem for all 123 (air force) aircraft on order and includes support for the build-up of squadrons, infrastructure for first and second line servicing. It also covers the establishment of ground infrastructure and engine support and servicing facilities at bases.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HB4ETgm38go

HTT 40

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nemesis2u:
air force = 20 MK1 (IOC configuration) + 20 MK1 (FOC configuration , now will come in MK1A configuration) + 83 MK1A

navy = 20 MK1 NAVAL

these r confirmed orders ,paid for.

future orders
navy = LCA MK2 NAVAL (2020-2021)
airforce = LCA MK1A , LCA MK2 (2020-2021)

as to ur question regarding how many aircraft's each production line will produce it is variable as it will depend on the L1/Tier-1 vendors/suppliers, since HAL currently outsources 50% of the LCA production to Indian private entities/vendors/suppliers, they are targetting 60% and apparently have plans for 80% and according to some, with 80% outsourcing HAL could produce 25-28 LCA/year with just 2 production lines.

currently 8-10 LCA MK1 was being produced and will shortly increase to 16 LCA MK1 , for LCA MK1A production rate will be 24+

when the 3rd production line comes up rate of production will increase.

making production lines is very costly , even more costly and time consuming is to get the L1 vendors supply chain running which involves TOT , setting up manufacturing lines, certifying , ensuring QC across hundreds of vendors and suppliers spread across the country.

LCA MK1A Tejas Mk1A with active electronically scanned array radar (AESA), an electronic warfare suite (comprising a digital radar warning receiver and podded jammer), and an in-flight refuelling probe etc will cost around 40 million $.

The budgetary approval of $7.7 billion for 83 aircraft also includes the complete ecosystem for all 123 (air force) aircraft on order and includes support for the build-up of squadrons, infrastructure for first and second line servicing. It also covers the establishment of ground infrastructure and engine support and servicing facilities at bases.

Okay thanks for the write up so confirm one last thing, the LCA MK1A will be the most advanced variant ?