chuksjuve:
As a landscape and garden service provider..whom do I submit a proposal to..
The site engineer, head of project or human resource manager of the construction firm?
Thanks

Rubyventures:


Have you got pictures of some of your work? cos I know someone who might be interested.

chuksjuve:


I sure do have, even a proposal
So can you send me your email to forward them to you?
Thanks

lastpage:


It appears you are mixing "Mr Buhari, a person who is the President of Nigeria"....... and 'The Federal govt of Nigeria" with Buhari as President.

Both are not the same thing!

The economic stagnation was actually caused by our over dependence on a mono-product economy which runs on Crude Oil.
Unfortunately, the price of that mono-product CRASHED to less than 20% of its value (from $110 to $23 per barrel) when Mr. Buhari assumed leadership.
Loosing 80% of our forex income (fall in Oil price) means we dont have money to finance/pay-for our "over-dependence" on IMPORTS.
There is NOTHING he could have done, no magic he could have wand, to prevent the slide into poverty.

But being the lazy bums we are, we still want to continue like "all is well" and everyone who is a trader/importer was shouting Buhari is not releasing Dollar, like Buhari kept the Dollar under his bed!
In actual fact, there was No Dollar to use in buying our frivolous imports!

Yes, the best way to get out of recession is to "spend your way out" but anyone can say that because it is actually Economics 101.
What seasoned Economist would tell you is that "You cant spend money you dont have"!
So, if you are broke, (No more money from receipts and income due to the crash in our source of income), where is the money you will use to "spend yourself out of recession", .........come from? You see, its easier said than done!

- You said he should have "gone borrowing immediately he assumed office!
This is very naive, to put it mildly!
No Sir, to borrow, Mr. President needs the APPROVAL of the National Assembly to approve such international borrowing.
On those dates you quoted, the NASS has not been constituted or at the very least will not have granted him any approval at such early stage of his administration.

Again, you just dont raise-up your hand and say "I need loan" and countries/bodies start bringing the money!
They will look at your economic road-map, so as to be sure they are either getting their money back or that you are spending the money on projects they can also gain from (Look at China: President made a trip to China, signed bilateral agreements and highlighted projects like rail and Roads that he wants to partner with China to do in Nigeria...... then he FINALLY asked China for a $30billion loan!
Which the NASS REFUSED to approve!
That is how it works..... in the real world!

- You said Buhari is one capital project per region and Budget was under-funded!
Do you even think these projects are free-funded.... or needs to be paid for?
Where is the money to pay for "many-project in many-regions simultaneously going to come from?
Do you not understand that a country is ran on MONEY (from exports, which Nigeria rarely does; from Receipts, which is down by 80%) and the money is just not there?
How do you fully fund your Budget when the money to do so is NOT AVAILABLE?
Does he go borrow to fund the budget also? Do you know the implication of this at all? Do oyu know how these loans affect the value of the National currency (we are not talking about an America that "manufactures its own currency and the rest of the world "buy" it nor are we talking of a China that "manufactures everything very cheaply" and sells it to everyone, including America!
We are talking about a Nigeria that manufactures nothing, exports nothing and imports everything.... at a time when its source of money has gone comatose!

- Let me also add that "when you "borrow externally", you are devaluing your currency".
Naira was already "self-devaluing" due to our dwindling Foreign Reserve (as a result of an over 80% decline in forex receipts, due to the fall in oil price!)

On the issue of trust:
This is one of the reason it took him time to find a finance Minister.
When you are faced with a Govt where people are callous enough to loot Money meant to prosecute a war, a war where your soldiers are being killed daily, a war where you are losing territory to terrorists..... yet those who are in-charge at the highest level of Govt think the best thing to do is to "share the money ala Dasuki-gate........... and you think there is no serious "trust deficit"?

I dont have to tell you that CORRUPTION is ingrained in our DNA and it is our greatest problem.
I dont have to tell you that if you put 10 Nigerians in a room, their greatest problem will be "How to trust each other".
How can "fantastically corrupt" people TRUST themselves? (We have Cameron for that statement because it is insulting but let us agree that there is a lot of truth in it)
Even YOU, have had very bitter experience about TRUST, on a small level, from the various people you entrust your project to! (I wont recant the tales here)
What l am saying is that Buhari was faced with a big problem of who he can trust, as to do the interest of the people, rather than serve their own pocket. Infact, if he was not "too trusting", he wont face some of the problems he is facing right now.

He trusted the CBN Governor to "mind the monetary policies" (I dont expect a retired Army General to be talking economics but l expect a trusted assistant like the CBN Governor to do it well.) ,,, but the guy was a somersault of a Governor.
Meanwhile, there is a law that prevents the Executive for sacking the CBN Governor willy-nilly. That was why Sanusi could get away with many things under Jonathan.
Same thing with the NNPC Director cum Oil Minister. These two personalities where the ones who produced most of the uncertainties in the system but we are quick to blame Buhari, either out of ignorance or outright mischief!

Let me add that l am just sorry that we Nigerians did not have to "experience the alternative" if for example Jonathan had continued in government or another looter was elected and it was "business as usual".
Most of us here have built a house in the last one-two years or still building, despite the very high inflation rate but l wish we were faced with the alternative like in Zimbabwe (when their currency was completely worthless and no one would accept it) or with a Somalia situation when the country became a failed state and it was "all man for himself".
I said "sorry" because we seems not to appreciate that God had just saved us from a major disaster which some of us might not have lived through! You can only build form Diaspora or locally, when there is a country.

*Buhari has and is gradually revitalising Agriculture through massive incentives (Never seen so many young people diverting to farming as of today!), loans in form of cash, farm inputs, e.t.c.
The results are beginning to show in areas like Rice Production (falling price from an all-time high that was caused by lack of Dollars to import as used to be the case). Tomato-scare has abated. The high price of food stuff we have as of today (when price should be gradually coming down) is as a result of sheer EXPLOITATION by hiking price (foodstuff sellers say they have to hike their own price too so as to compete with and justify the way other sellers hike their price! That is "the Nigerian" for you, irrespective of the "real cost" of the product/goods.).
With time, we will all see the benefits of this Govts Agric policies. Some Crops take a year just to mature!

*The Govt has been able to inject sanity and a bit of transparency into Governance.
You have Ministries now returning "unspent Budget", back into the National coffers (via TSA Account) whereas before now, You must finish any Unspent allocation/budget, by looting it!

*The Govt has shown 'balls' in tackling terrorism but for a big country like Nigeria, it is challenging.
Also, Terrorism does not disappear overnight, it is an ideology and can only be beaten down to a manageable level.
Even in America today, we still have pockets of terrorism but it is manageable.

*Gradually, the Govt is rehabilitating Roads that have been left undone for years (Lagos-Ibadan is one), at a pace we have not seen for decades.
*Our Armed Forces are begining to face what they are paid for: Protect the Nation's interest and we have seen their level of professionalism on the rise.
No more "Politicians-Armed Forces Officers". Discipline is being instigated in the Forces, equipment are being bought and deployed at a rate that has been alien in recent times.
* The Govt has systematically "dabbled-into and tackled corruption" in places that are "very dirty but hitherto, considered untouchable", like the Judiciary.
Now, we all have a feeling that if a Judge misbehaves or gets corrupted, (and they do so most times, in a very corrupt manner that nauseates the mind!), a common man can seek redress and the Judge can be punished. The 'idea' alone cannot be quantified in terms of what it means for the masses who dont have millions to swing a case the way they want

Let me stop here on what the Govt has done, as l am not their mouth-piece.

Finally, to say we are in a worse situation than we are in 2015, is reminiscent of thinking of a "single planar thought process" .... in terms of prices alone.

In the "Hierarchy of Pyramids", these sort of 'need' are said to be premordial and at the 'base-level' of human wants.

There are times when you dont have "cash" in your pocket but you are actually feeling very rich because of "what you have done with money".
Vice-versa, there are times when you can stuff a million in your Wallet and yet you know you are just living above the border-line!

Look at things from with a "long term perspective" - beyond how much things cost today - but at how much things will cost tomorrow (based on what the Govt is doing TODAY, that will have a bearing on TOMORROW" and How much it would have cost, if this Govt was not in-place.
Most of you have no clue at how bad our situation was, in 2015 and How miserable it would have gotten if we Nigerians have not made the "bold choice".
Most people who voted for Buhari dont really like him as a person but what they love about him is "What the country needs, at this trying times".

Infact, let us just thank God that we never experienced "How it would have been", if we did not change that Govt and vote a man that though "old-schooled, fragile and not overly exuberant", is a symbol of integrity for others to follow, commands the respect of the Armed Forces, have people that still believe in his long term vision .....and that he means and acts-well for this country.

How can we still compare Buhari's Govt to that of Jonathan, who presided over a Govt that earned the highest revenue on record, for five years, met the highest Foreign reserve on the kitty when taking over, yet left the highest debt profile, lowest foreign reserve and decayed infrastructures and a time-bomb of an economy, with the only earner for the country nose-diving and being sabotaged at every opportunity by militants ........... .


It is okay to just lament like the common (ignorant) man on the street because honestly prices are very high, but that is where it should end.


And that is why l said "except these comments were made hyperbolically"




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chuksjuve:


I sure do have, even a proposal
So can you send me your email to forward them to you?
Thanks

darami:
Hi @kasimeme, may I please have the guy contact. Thank you

EgunMogaji:


What part of town is Orogun?

I'm bored and an adventure to seek out a fellow woodworker sounds like fun

spyder880:
On the contrary, I think we can discuss economy on this thread when it concerns price of building materials. Maybe we should not mention the name of the president or apportion blames but without discussing economic policies and effects, we can never plan effectively or have a good strategy to survive with our plans to build good quality homes at reasonable prices.

The only thing we need to check is our tone of language and our emotions.

spyder880:
Having said that, I think this government has totally lost control of the economy. Its not in their hands anymore and that is why everything has gone haywire, I will not blame the Nigerian seller for "greed or wickedness" as suggested by some of us here. The sellers are just pawns in the game, and if they fail to raise their costs substantially, they will be wiped off sooner than they think. And the problem will even get worse, as more sellers and labourers get unemployed, armed robbery, pros.titution and criminal activities will rise to an all time high

spyder880:
The dealers in building materials don't manufacture them, they buy from manufacturers,
The manufacturers don't make the raw materials, they import them,
The importers don't print dollars, they buy them,
And when the dollars are scarce, demand and supply law will raise the cost, and this will set off a chain reaction which will ensure that the rise will cascade down to the last man on the ground, me and you, the consumers. Then, finally, the tenants will have to cough out more naira to rent these houses as nobody is a Father Christmas.

spyder880:

The government not only hasn't done enough, my fear is that they dont even have the capacity to solve the problem, I feel the economy is now on auto pilot, while the operators are watching and hoping for the best. Its a pity.

Kasimeme:


I see that the question has been answered. Just to ask if you intend to plant trees in your site before you return to base. The rains are just coming and it would aid their survival. That was what I did not do in my own time. I realise now that trees take time to grow and the earlier in place the better.

I imagine that you have an idea of places you wish to plant and that which you want to interlock / concrete already.

I take a likingg to the African Birch tree, lean, well mannered roots, so no issues with foundations and stuff.

FastShipping:



Well, there was opportunity to borrow form World Bank when he first came and he totally rejected it forming macho man. He did have good will when he first came in and this was around June 2015. The rest is now history.

kopell:
Mr lastpage. I believe you have educate some of them enough. Mr A lay his argument the way he saw it, Mr B doesn't make any since in his argument or mind up his mind. Its could be ignorance of knowledge. very simple question I need to ask, if one loss 80% of his income, with commitment of 150% of his income. will he still be spending as if he as 180% income? with noting in savings.

Demainman1:
Well said @Spyder, making your point without writing a whole A3 paper garnished with colour crayon like people like Lastpage do.

Thank you jaré.

abbatoir:

.Well... a good degree of intelligence.

spyder880:
To illustrate further, we just completed this house and handed it over this week, in the midst of this price craze, the landlord spent over his budget to complete this building, now, tenants are coming, the landlord will want to recoup some of his recent losses in the rise of building materials, I remember he gave me some additional money to supplement the earlier budgeted amount for some items we bought.

Do you know that the pepper seller can live here, as well as the ogi and akamu seller, even the daughter of the palm wine tapper can live here and go to a nearby university, and suddenly, the palm wine tapper and the pepper seller will have to pay higher to rent this house, which will annoy him no doubt as it just wiped off his yearly savings, to survive, the only option he has is to arbitrary raise his own prices. Or he will have to sleep outside! No, he didnt buy dollars to import his palm wine or pepper, but he must raise his prices or, emmmm...... build a hut with palm leaves to sleep in

spyder880:


Between N35-36 million naira. Remember, the price could be higher now as prices of everything soar.

Empiree:
Correct me if am wrong, this is a 10 apartment building?. 35-36m is not bad though. If this is located in lagos or Abuja could be selling for 3 figures

lastpage:




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3strikes:

I think that's 8 flats....looking @ the picture unless two flats dey underground..

EgunMogaji:
I've only seen pictures and stuff but I had an opportunity to touch and feel imported doors today.

This store also sells household materials.

Reminds me of the old Gottshalcks (sp).

EgunMogaji:


Please tell me where orogun is.

I intend to plant about 5 palm trees in pre identified locations on site.

Thanks.

Kasimeme:


Darami, I was driven there by my Mom's driver, This was time before I ever knew I would want to share stuffs on Nairaland, otherwise I would have taken pictures of what I saw there and would have asked him for his number and all that. I have asked my mom to ask his driver for the guy's details, and once I get it, I would post it here. But I know we turned right at Orogun bust stop.

darami:
Thank you!

Rubyventures:


This looks nice where are you based?

EgunMogaji:
I've only seen pictures and stuff but I had an opportunity to touch and feel imported doors today.
This store also sells household materials.

mufutau55:


At Ibadan, I believe?

Hajji M.