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Chiedu4Trump:
Oh boy the sword here is not a physical sword but spiritual one.
Notice that 12 of them produced 2 swords and Jesus said they are enough.

Think about it, how can 12 people use 2 swords.

Luke 22 (KJV)
36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.

Did you read my post above. Why would Jesus tell them 2 swords were enough if he wasn't talking about physical swords. He wouldn't have hesitated to correct them as he usually did when they mis understand him.

A Christian sword is the WORD OF GOD!
Ephesians 6:17
And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
So Jesus said to do all to get the sword

You're right except that he wasn't talking to Christians . Christianity came after christ died

[quote author=Anointed08 post=53311171][/quote]The issue here is not that Jesus didn't know His disciples were armed,it's that His words in Luke 22:36 were not instructing them to take up swords.
In Matt.10:34,Jesus said,'Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace upon the earth,but a sword'.

Was the sword He spoke of here a physical one?

thorpido:
The issue here is not that Jesus didn't know His disciples were armed,it's that His words in Luke 22:36 were not instructing them to take up swords.
In Matt.10:34,Jesus said,'Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace upon the earth,but a sword'.
Was the sword He spoke of here a physical one?

Good question ,. It's obvious it's physical sword . Taking about persecution

petra1:
Good question ,. It's obvious it's physical sword . Taking about persecution

Persecution is often not physical attack,isn't it?

thorpido:
Persecution is often not physical attack,isn't it?

In their time it was death mostly . And imprisonment

thorpido:
quran9:29 says,... fight quran8:12 says smite then above their neck...
Abeg go and read well and tell me what fight and smite means.

pls qoute the aayah ,the arabic and its translation

In Matthew's account in Matthew 26:32-54
Jesus did not ask then to take any sword
Also in Marks account in
Mark 14:26-50
Jesus is not recorded to have asked them to take swords
Also in Johns account in
John 18:1-11
Same. Its not recorded by John that Jesus said so.
So now lets explain from Luke's account himself

Looking at Luke 22:35-36, you'll see that Jesus must have been speaking as usual in parables.

And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing. — Luke 22:35 (KJV)
Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. — Luke 22:36 (KJV)

Now verse 37 starts with "for" , meaning it explains the previous statement, more like "because".

So he says
For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end. — Luke 22:37 (KJV)
He refers to the prophecy of Isaiah in Isaiah 53
Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors. — Isaiah 53:12 (KJV)

So he is telling them of his arrest and then primarily his death.
Now lets examine verse 35
And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing. — Luke 22:35 (KJV)

We see this in three other accounts.

Mathews account
Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give. — Matthew 10:8 (KJV)
Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses, — Matthew 10:9 (KJV)
Nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat. — Matthew 10:10 (KJV)

Also Marks account
And he called unto him the twelve, and began to send them forth by two and two; and gave them power over unclean spirits; — Mark 6:7 (KJV)
And commanded them that they should take nothing for their journey, save a staff only; no scrip, no bread, no money in their purse: — Mark 6:8 (KJV)
But be shod with sandals; and not put on two coats. — Mark 6:9 (KJV)

Also Luke's account
Go your ways: behold, I send you forth as lambs among wolves. — Luke 10:3 (KJV)
Carry neither purse, nor scrip, nor shoes: and salute no man by the way. — Luke 10:4 (KJV)

So Jesus was referring to the fact that there will be a change in how people would receive them.

Remember Luke 22:35""....lacked ye any thing?.
So he's telling them that the way people received them when he was alive and sent them would change when he was to be crucified. They will say things like "is Jesus not a transgressor" and things' like that.

That's why after that statement he talks of his death " Luke 22:37"

So Jesus is not saying the should fight with sword, hence his response when Peter cut off someone ear
And one of them smote the servant of the high priest, and cut off his right ear. — Luke 22:50 (KJV)

And Jesus answered and said, Suffer ye thus far. And he touched his ear, and healed him. — Luke 22:51 (KJV),

Jesus wasn't actually referring to todays believers in that sense. What he said to the was peculiar to that time and dispensation. i.e the time of his death. Do you get. Jesus was arrested and called and condemned as a sinner, so it would be in a sense a changed response from people, you know people received them before because they saw them as MOG, as the disciples of Jesus, the prophet. But as at when he was lied against to be a sinner, they would see the disciples as disciples of a sinner, so that'll affect their reception, you get. They might even attack them in that sense for "preaching falsely". You know they were preaching about Jesus.