The Bible said, if you eat from this tree, you shall die and man ate, and man is still suffering a lot just because Adam and Eve were disobedient to God. Lemme start by saying, Some Angels in Heaven were kinda wondering, what had this men on earth did that's so special and God had not destroyed the earth, like in the days of Noah. they said, what is man that thou hath so MINDFUL of Him, God is very careful in all that pertain to man, He does not want you to have a bad day at school and job place, Kim Walker sang a song, titled, How He loves us, God so much loves us that, we can't measure it in any way. but, this is my point, all this love can't get to you, because we know about Daniel who prayed for 21 days and in Daniel 10:12,

Daniel 10:12 Then said he unto me, Fear not, Daniel: for *from the first day* that thou didst set thine heart to understand, and to chasten thyself before thy God, thy words were heard, and I am come for thy words.

the Angel said, from the first day, from the very first time you ask God for needs and necessities, God has been willing to give them out, but something somewhere had to be broken by prayers to bring that to you, either, the person has not been spiritual convinced enough that you are worth what you are asking for, the Bible said, they all have all things in common, but the demon called greed would not allow that which is yours, with Mr B to get to you, and if you result to other ways of getting it, apart from prayer, it would only get worse, the Bible said, no King is saved by multitude of host, I believe we should all learn to bend our knees with a heart to go far with God and God would show up fast, Praises are quite a good means of getting Gods presence to a situation, its not a must you know how to pray much, as long as you can say a little prayer and much and excessive praise, you would break the bond of wickedness. Jesus said, in this world, you shall face tribulations, so tribulations is a necessity for a believer. You would so much opportunity yo say this is not working, but they that wait upon the Lord in the time of tribulations, the Lord shall energize them, always remember, Daniel had so much opportunity to say, bullshit to Church, but he kept pressing on, God wants a pressing and tough fighter like Elijah who would pray and turn things around with His right heart and bended knees. Jesus has defeated the devil and at resurrection, Hr said, all powers on heaven and earth hath been given unto Me, that power is with any Christian, so He said, let us come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of tribulations. The Bible said, you shall decree a thing, another said whatever you shall bound or loose on earth, shall be done likewise, this is how to exercise your authority over the Devil, the Bible said, resist the devil, many are praying instead whilst they should be praying, in Luke 10:17, the disciples said, demons are subject to us, the devil is subject to every Christian in the name of Jesus, because, when the names goes for, the devil does not see a small boy just commanding, but he's seeing the Same Jesus that defeated him, so the Bible said in Heb 4:14, let us come boldly unto the throne of grace that we may receive, what are we receiving, powers to tread upon snakes and sharks and scorpions and the shall never be able to stand against us again, this is a call for prayer, Jesus in closing said, watch and pray, so you must be prayerful, lest you Falk into temptation, you have been complaining all this while, but Jesus said, if you fast and pray, then you have authority over this situation, master, why can't we cast out this demon, and He said, this kind, other kinds would submit so cheaply, but there is a kind that would only submit with your stubborn attitude in prayer and fasting and your ability to break from Bad company, that's how you can start a new Christian life

You are right

Well said, brotherly..

God wanted a perfect earth and yet his plans was thwarted by the devil; if he was omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient like you boast of, his plans would have worked, no matter what the devil tries, he would have still succeeded.

Just 2 creations, a man and a women, just 2 of them yet God couldn't protect them from harm's way.

it ridicules the very idea of Godhood and omnipotency to show that the very plan of an omnipotent being can easily be thwarted by man or the devil - whatever happened to if God says "yes" no one can say No, i wonder.

MaziOmenuko:
God wanted a perfect earth and yet his plans was thwarted by the devil; if he was omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient like you boast of, his plans would have worked, no matter what the devil tries, he would have still succeeded.

Just 2 creations, a man and a women, just 2 of them yet God couldn't protect them from harm's way.

Bro, Paul did better than you are doing

1 Timothy 1:12 And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry; 1:13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.

I appreciate your ignorance, I would keep you in prayers

johnydon22:
it ridicules the very idea of Godhood and omnipotency to show that the very plan of an omnipotent being can easily be thwarted by man or the devil - whatever happened to if God says "yes" no one can say No, i wonder.

I don't have an answer for you bro, but its not going to change anything, there is no light at the end of whatever tunnel you are travelling in, I think people like Jay Z and co, who attended cold churches in their churches at their childhood days, happens to turn to those who criticize the God they never knew, lemme just advise you to attend a spirit filled church and the sky would never be able to contain what damage you would deck on the kingdom of darkness

Right, the devil was the cause. So who created the devil? God...
So if we assume god is really omniscient, then he knew that the devil he was about to create would bring evil but he still went on to create him....
So who created evil then?

GodsMopol:


I don't have an answer for you bro, but its not going to change anything, there is no light at the end of whatever tunnel you are travelling in, I think people like Jay Z and co, who attended cold churches in their churches at their childhood days, happens to turn to those who criticize the God they never knew, lemme just advise you to attend a spirit filled church and the sky would never be able to contain what damage you would deck on the kingdom of darkness

this is not in the least a rebuttal

GodsMopol:


Bro, Paul did better than you are doing

1 Timothy 1:12 And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry; 1:13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.

I appreciate your ignorance, I would keep you in prayers

I don't need your prayers, you just deviated from the topic to quote bro Paul: bro Paul who asked you to remain single unless konji catch you too much. Abegii

randomperson:
Right, the devil was the cause. So who created the devil? God...
So if we assume god is really omniscient, then he knew that the devil he was about to create would bring evil but he still went on to create him....
So who created evil then?

whoever created evil or does not create evil won't change the fact that Heaven or Hell does not exist. I think that's a perfect answer you just gat no choice but admit and stop beating about the bush all day, it might please you to know that, a single line of action you take can jeopardize that of your children and children's children and I know you wanna be a good father who would lay a good legacy for people coming after you. Jesus is the way, hardtruth.

MaziOmenuko:


I don't need your prayers, you just deviated from the topic to quote bro Paul: bro Paul who asked you to remain single unless konji catch you too much. Abegii

looool, Paul is my guy, but I think I should say this, Paul said, I wish every man should be as I am, now, I would refer you to a verse that says, if any man can not contain, let him marry, Paul actually used the word burn

1 Corinthians 7:1 Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman. 7:2 Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

1Cor 7:3 Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband. 7:4 The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife. 7:9 But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.

Paul never said anything about not marrying bro, you could read the entire 1 corin 7 for more truth. If you can not, but I can give some pills bro, though you might not like my drugs, but lemme just recommended d some, the disciples of Jesus said, why can't we hold our ground against the vices of the devil, even Paul said in Romans 7:18

Romans 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

Bro, I was once in your shoes, always wanting God, but the devil wanted me to believe that God never was interested in me, so I turned out against God, I know you know better than I, but here am I. a one time mess

GodsMopol:


whoever created evil or does not create evil won't change the fact that Heaven or Hell does not exist. I think that's a perfect answer you just gat no choice but admit and stop beating about the bush all day, it might please you to know that, a single line of action you take can jeopardize that of your children and children's children and I know you wanna be a good father who would lay a good legacy for people coming after you. Jesus is the way, hardtruth.

^^^^
This is what I call meaningless rant. Someone is using common sense to show u the inconsistency in your beliefs, and u are just saying nonsense, not making any coherent statement.

randomperson:

^^^^
This is what I call meaningless rant. Someone is using common sense to show u the inconsistency in your beliefs, and u are just saying nonsense, not making any coherent statement.

That's the way it is, Christianity is a religion that does not appeal to the sense.

GodsMopol:


That's the way it is, Christianity is a religion that does not appeal to the sense.

Yeah, that's at least one common ground we have

johnydon22:


this is not in the least a rebuttal

well, I don't have an answer for that like I said, many answers are naturally not meant to make sense, just as death and lives and reproduction does not make sense too, because no one can really say, why the whole world came to being neither can any explain how a healthy being would die at about 100 of age and does not grow continuously, like I said, something's are natural meant not to make sense, and that's the reason for my rebuttal

randomperson:

Yeah, that's at least one common ground we have

dude, you are really tough, thanks for the tough time though, I think it was nice having you in my party, I look forward to commenting on your posts, looool

GodsMopol:
, I was deep into sins n partying just to keep my **** alive all day. I would rather chat with a lady all night than attend classes, just to feel high, I was Sharing my pics to all ladies all day, I know you know better than I, but here am I. a one time mess

Bro...I was never like you; there's nothing seemingly comparable with me and the frustration you highlite up there. I am a happy, easy and jolly good fellow. I am contended with my non-religios life. I wasn't pushed into it by frustrations, I embraced it as a result of knowledge that abound.

Now, run along and find those within your level of reasoning.

But, I'm always prompted to ask : Don't God hv the power to stop Satan or Control humanity in such a way that, we will not have wicked or sinful mind.
He just left the world to autopilot itself.

johnydon22:


this is not in the least a rebuttal

What were you expecting?

GodsMopol:


well, I don't have an answer for that like I said, many answers are naturally not meant to make sense, just as death and lives and reproduction does not make sense too, because no one can really say, why the whole world came to being neither can any explain how a healthy being would die at about 100 of age and does not grow continuously, like I said, something's are natural meant not to make sense, and that's the reason for my rebuttal

this still is not a rebuttal

lepasharon:


What were you expecting?

lol

johnydon22:
it ridicules the very idea of Godhood and omnipotency to show that the very plan of an omnipotent being can easily be thwarted by man or the devil - whatever happened to if God says "yes" no one can say No, i wonder.

GOD is Almighty but not arbitrary. There is one thing which He cannot manipulate: the freewill. GOD may present the choices before you, clearly explaining their consequences, but He cannot force anyone to make any choice.

If GOD created only robots without freewill, there wouldn't have been any thing like rebellion against Him.

Even when rebellion surfaced, GOD could have destroyed the traitor immediately. But what would that mean to His creatures? It would lend some credence to Satan's charges that:

1. GOD is arbitrary and demands forced worship at all cost. Worship Him or be destroyed.

2. GOD's Law is a restraint.

GOD allowed Satan to continue so that the universe would see what Satan's rule looks like.

We know the rest.

DoctorAlien:


GOD is Almighty but not arbitrary. There is one thing which He cannot manipulate: the freewill. GOD may present the choices before you, clearly explaining their consequences, but He cannot force anyone to make any choice.

If GOD created only robots without freewill, there wouldn't have been any thing like rebellion against Him.

Even when rebellion surfaced, GOD could have destroyed the traitor immediately. But what would that mean to His creatures? It would lend some credence to Satan's charges that:

1. GOD is arbitrary and demands forced worship at all cost. Worship Him or be destroyed.

2. GOD's Law is a restraint.

GOD allowed Satan to continue so that the universe would see what Satan's rule looks like.

We know the rest.

Why did he create Satan in the first place

randomperson:
Why did he create Satan in the first place

Freewill was eventually going to be misused.
It just happened that Lucifer would be the culprit.

DoctorAlien:


Freewill was eventually going to be misused.

It just happened that Lucifer would be the culprit.

U didn't answer my question...

ThinkSmarter:
But, I'm always prompted to ask : Don't God hv the power to stop Satan or Control humanity in such a way that, we will not have wicked or sinful mind.
He just left the world to autopilot itself.

God sure do have the power to stop Lucifer, I was actually thinking along this line, how I couldn't give an answer to Mazi n John yesterday, but I got one now. Let's go Bible, lemme start by quoting two verses

Psalms 115:16 The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD's: but the earth hath he given to the children of men.

Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

The first said, it was given to the children of men, now the second one would explain it better. it said, let them, not let us, bullseye. let us make and let them do how they pleases with it. I think that's not contradicting, I'm not angry with your posts, just trying to clarify something's for our good. Let them have dominion over the earth, so by the authority vested on man, he naturally was built to have dominion over the earth, I believe the devil has tempted Adam so many times n he went through Eve to get to Adam. This is my point, Man built a house, rented it to the tenants, the tenants has a right over the house, but the landlord (God) needs to give the tenants dominion based on agreement, okay, so Landlord(God) would say, I don't want pet, or married couples or I don't want overcrowding in my house, now, as long as the tenants are complying with agreement, they would enjoy privacy, I studied estate magt in uni, n I guess convenience, is one priority of the tenants, Landlord (God) can not badge into tenants house as He so wills, even if he's around. Landlord can't say, he wants to sleep a night in the tenants room, oga, we know say na you get house, but privacy and convenience is no more in this thing. if peradventurely, a thief (Satan) comes to rob the house, as long as the landlord has told the tenant, that you are to do so so so when the thief breaks in, and they refuse to raise an alarm, or probably call the police, now, the tenants would be at fault if they actually knows what to do and they ignorantly allow the devil to tempt them.

when you analyse the fall of man, you would notice something's I would share

Ge 3:6 And when the woman (1)saw that the tree was (2)good for (3)food, and that it was (4)pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be (5)desired to make (6)one wise, she (7)took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

the woman was not under duress to eat the fruit, the thief came through the door, greeted you, went into your room, unplugged your phone, he even told you he's your cousin even when you don't know him since day one, and he went out, greeting you and you are just outside there, listening to some songs, and later, you starts shouting, even the landlord can't break into your privacy as He so willeth, how much more a stranger. this is my submission. yea, about autopilot, you are correct about your autopilot, but you can't because of privacy in your rented apartment, you use liberty for license. you can't start pulling down the fence and part of the building to suit your taste, you must consult the landlord, I think that's where the place of prayer comes in. It wasn't total autopilot, but an autopilot under the submission and rulership of God like I quotes

Psalms 115:16 The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD's: but the earth hath he given to the children of men. looool

MaziOmenuko:


Bro...I was never like you; there's nothing seemingly comparable with me and the frustration you highlite up there. I am a happy, easy and jolly good fellow. I am contended with my non-religios life. I wasn't pushed into it by frustrations, I embraced it as a result of knowledge that abound.

Now, run along and find those within your level of reasoning.

you must know this is my party, and I can file for gatecrashing, I ain't going no where

GodsMopol:


God sure do have the power to stop Lucifer, I was actually thinking along this line, how I couldn't give an answer to Mazi n John yesterday, but I got one now. Let's go Bible, lemme start by quoting two verses

Psalms 115:16 The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD's: but the earth hath he given to the children of men.

Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

The first said, it was given to the children of men, now the second one would explain it better. it said, let them, not let us, bullseye. let us make and let them do how they pleases with it. I think that's not contradicting, I'm not angry with your posts, just trying to clarify something's for our good. Let them have dominion over the earth, so by the authority vested on man, he naturally was built to have dominion over the earth, I believe the devil has tempted Adam so many times n he went through Eve to get to Adam. This is my point, Man built a house, rented it to the tenants, the tenants has a right over the house, but the landlord (God) needs to give the tenants dominion based on agreement, okay, so Landlord(God) would say, I don't want pet, or married couples or I don't want overcrowding in my house, now, as long as the tenants are complying with agreement, they would enjoy privacy, I studied estate magt in uni, n I guess convenience, is one priority of the tenants, Landlord (God) can not badge into tenants house as He so wills, even if he's around. Landlord can't say, he wants to sleep a night in the tenants room, oga, we know say na you get house, but privacy and convenience is no more in this thing. if peradventurely, a thief (Satan) comes to rob the house, as long as the landlord has told the tenant, that you are to do so so so when the thief breaks in, and they refuse to raise an alarm, or probably call the police, now, the tenants would be at fault if they actually knows what to do and they ignorantly allow the devil to tempt them.

when you analyse the fall of man, you would notice something's I would share

Ge 3:6 And when the woman (1)saw that the tree was (2)good for (3)food, and that it was (4)pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be (5)desired to make (6)one wise, she (7)took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

the woman was not under duress to eat the fruit, the thief came through the door, greeted you, went into your room, unplugged your phone, he even told you he's your cousin even when you don't know him since day one, and he went out, greeting you and you are just outside there, listening to some songs, and later, you starts shouting, even the landlord can't break into your privacy as He so willeth, how much more a stranger. this is my submission. yea, about autopilot, you are correct about your autopilot, but you can't because of privacy in your rented apartment, you use liberty for license. you can't start pulling down the fence and part of the building to suit your taste, you must consult the landlord, I think that's where the place of prayer comes in. It wasn't total autopilot, but an autopilot under the submission and rulership of God like I quotes

Psalms 115:16 The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD's: but the earth hath he given to the children of men. looool

U really answered well, I do appreciate.
But like they say in philosophy, "an answer to a question is subject to further questioning"
I'm always confused with that particular verse in the book of Genesis where God said "Let US create man after OUR own image and likeness "
Who is he referring to?
Does it mean that the creation of man was a collective responsibility?
Are there other gods or angels that assisted in the creation of man?
Because, from the beginning, it had been like:God said "let there be....,and there was...
Till when the verse started with: In the 3rd day, God created ....,in the 4th day, God created.....
But when it reached to the 6th day, it changed to Let US create, instead of Continuing like God created man in the 6th day.
Please don't say that I am asking a stupid question cuz, this particular verse had been contradicting my understanding, so I think u can be of help due to ur knowledge of the Bible.
Thank you.

ThinkSmarter:
But, I'm always prompted to ask : Don't God hv the power to stop Satan or Control humanity in such a way that, we will not have wicked or sinful mind.
H just left the world to autopilot itself.

HE gave us freewill. Would you have preferred otherwise?

NotOfThis:
HE gave us freewill. Would you have preferred otherwise?

take for instance u have a potential to design a machine, will u design and program it to work as u desire or will u allow it to autopilot itself and behave anyhow it deems without ur control? The free will is like building a self~driven vehicle without incorporating a collision avoidance system.
I think, God should have created man to suit his test character wise cuz he have the power.

DoctorAlien:


GOD is Almighty but not arbitrary. There is one thing which He cannot manipulate: the freewill. GOD may present the choices before you, clearly explaining their consequences, but He cannot force anyone to make any choice.

If GOD created only robots without freewill, there wouldn't have been any thing like rebellion against Him.

Even when rebellion surfaced, GOD could have destroyed the traitor immediately. But what would that mean to His creatures? It would lend some credence to Satan's charges that:

1. GOD is arbitrary and demands forced worship at all cost. Worship Him or be destroyed.

2. GOD's Law is a restraint.

GOD allowed Satan to continue so that the universe would see what Satan's rule looks like.

We know the rest.

Errr, isn't the bolded already the case?