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eyinjuege:
Let us be fair. The unis ranking top 1000 in the world have all being there for decades, or even 100s of years.
The faith based schools in Nigeria just started. Non is up to 20years old. They have come a long way, and I'm proud of some specific ones who have proved themselves that they have a good mgt team in place, and can only get better.
Let us also be honest with ourselves, tithes and offerings cannot sustain these schools. How many indigent people really pay the tithes and offering? Someone that has no money to even feed, and you're talking of tithes and offering? Is it not the money you have that you will put down?
I know indigent people who have gone to CU, on scholarships. Because they are indigent, and also deserving. Deserving in the sense that they have a good academic record. That's the way scholarships should be given anyway.
I know a lot of churches that verify the help they give through the home fellowship system. If you're not an active member of the home fellowship, then you're not considered a true member. The home fellowship is such that its a small gathering of members usually as small as 5-20, that come to worship together and can even raise help amongst themselves. If that's not possible, and you need help, your home cell fellowship leader can verify you with the church, that you've been an active member for long.
Its a better system, as a lot of people can get lost in the crowd of the main church.
Many don't realise this. The church leaders aren't clairvoyant. If you need help, or envisage you may need help in the future look for your church's home cell fellowship around you and start being active there now. Let them know you. That's one of the easiest ways they use in knowing their members.
I know this because I've observed closely, from afar how some of these systems work.

let's call a spade wot it is,these private universities being run by missions have priced tuition over and above the reach of their members,I even hear some of these private universities have other profitable business ventures they run along side. You talked about these private universities being under 20 years old,the reason they are not in top 1000 best universities in the world but my answer to that is this,the rankings are based on webometrics which these private universities use as selling point,that is,they are IT complaint,yet can't make the list. This greatly calls to question what value they are really adding to the system of education in Nigeria cos beyond being devoid of strikes and having a few infrastructure to boast of,their personnel are still heavily being sourced from the government run institutions. We won't be needing private universities if government was properly funding the ones they are managing cos elsewhere in the world,and even here in nigeria,it's the not so bright students who can't pass entrance exams to government run higher institutions that flood private universities but here we are now making it a status symbol to send our wards there killing off our education gradually. Am still on my point that these private universities should charge discriminary fees for members,that talk of merit doesn't hold water,if you pass the entrance exams to such schools you're good enough,then such child of a member should be made to pay less fees than non members;this is why I doff my hat for catholics,though not one,but I know the day they decide to set up a private university,it will not only be world class but Catholics would pay almost nothing to have their wards there

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frosbel2:
Nonsense, if all these wishy washy pentecostal churches cannot provide free or subsidized education for all their members, they should shut up and close down. How can only the rich members of a church be able to attend the universities built on the sweat of most church members ?? And the so called church still tries to justify this obvious class divide and then pretend to be following Christ ??

Remember Anglican and Catholic church schools were affordable by all and produced some of the best standards of educations for decades - they hardly charged any schools fees.

Look, if you hate the church, then voice it out. Don't hide under the guise of "expensive universities" to validate your hate. Because there is nowhere on this earth that you will find a free or cheap private university.
People like you are the cause of Nigeria's problems, always looking out for stomach infrastructure. Making it seem as if receiving free education should be a token because you go to church. So people should start choosing churches because of the University that the church can provide.
Built on the sweat of most of the church members. In Nigeria, you don't give what you don't have. You'd find out that it was most of these "rich" people who actually donated towards the building of the schools. Talking as if everybody donated the same thing.

And don't you know they give scholarships to their members? You just overlooked that to pour your hate on the church.

Did you even think before you typed this?

justmenoni:
I no get credit, will u call me or can u explain how it works, for us here on naurairaland

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frosbel2:
Nonsense, if all these wishy washy pentecostal churches cannot provide free or subsidized education for all their members, they should shut up and close down. How can only the rich members of a church be able to attend the universities built on the sweat of most church members ?? And the so called church still tries to justify this obvious class divide and then pretend to be following Christ ??

Remember Anglican and Catholic church schools were affordable by all and produced some of the best standards of educations for decades - they hardly charged any schools fees.

Catholic or Anglican should build a free tuition uni let's see. Talk is cheap

DrayZee:
Did you even bother to read the points there?

If it gives so much profit as you say, why don't you invest in one?

I won't bother to read anything that supports what this Yahoo Yahoo pastors do. I hope you know that before this churches started with their schools, other churches built school for both members and non members for absolute free. The missionary schools are church schools too yet they are near free with quality educations.

Most of these Yahoo Yahoo pastors went to missionary schools with little or no pay.

DrayZee:
Look, if you hate the church, then voice it out. Don't hide under the guise of "expensive universities" to validate your hate. Because there is nowhere on this earth that you will find a free or cheap private university.
People like you are the cause of Nigeria's problems, always looking out for stomach infrastructure. Making it seem as if receiving free education should be a token because you go to church. So people should start choosing churches because of the University that the church can provide.
Built on the sweat of most of the church members. In Nigeria, you don't give what you don't have. You'd find out that it was most of these "rich" people who actually donated towards the building of the schools. Talking as if everybody donated the same thing.

And don't you know they give scholarships to their members? You just overlooked that to pour your hate on the church.

Did you even think before you typed this?

Oh please!! This schools pay nada to the FG in form of tax because they use their churches as cover, so why make it expensive. Hope you realize that missionary schools are also church schools?

babyfaceafrica:
But this is not how Catholic ran churches way back then.....its too expensive...well na dem sabi

Catholic churches then had volunteers. Which prof now will teach you for free?
NB:I'm a Catholic but I don't blame pastors for the high fee

princejenks:
let's call a spade wot it is,these private universities being run by missions have priced tuition over and above the reach of its members,I even hear some of these private universities have other profitable business ventures they run along side. You talked about these private universities being under 20 years old,the reason they are not in top 1000 best universities in the world but my answer to that is this,the rankings are based on webometrics which these private universities use as selling point,that is,they are IT complaint,yet can't make the list. This greatly calls to question what value they are really adding to the system of education in Nigeria cos beyond being devoid of strikes and having a few infrastructure to boast of,their personnel are still heavily been sourced from the government run institutions. We won't be needing private universities if government was properly funding the ones they are managing cos elsewhere in the world,and even here in nigeria,it's the not so bright ones who pass entrance exams to government run higher institutions that flood to private universities but we are now making it a status symbol to send our wards there killing off our education gradually. Am still on my point that these private universities should charge discriminary fees for members,that talk of merit doesn't hold water,if you pass the entrance exams to such schools,then the child of the member should be made to pay less fees;this is why I doff my hat for catholics,though not one but I know the day they decide to set up a private university,it will not only be world class but Catholics would pay almost nothing to have their wards there

Do you know that your idea promotes discrimination. You're saying members of a church should pay lower than those outside. Why?
So someone can just change church just because he wants to get lower fees. Please don't go there. That idea is flawed. So even children who don't really care about their education should be pumped into the University just because they attend a particular church. When the standard of the school falls, it's still you people that will point fingers.
It is enough that scholarships are given to members. Anything aside that is outright criminality.
The same goes to your idea of Catholic private universities.


Now to your more salient points. Webometrics isn't just based on IT compliance. But let me not go there. You said private universities are not in the top 1000 in the world. How many public Universities are in the top 1000? None. Not even UI. So that is not really a point for argument.
According to their latest rankings, UI is first in Nigeria, Covenant second. That shows you how far Covenant has come throughout the years.

The truth of the matter is that your only problem with private universities is their fees, and the truth remains that no private university can be run without adequate funding. You will not find any private university anywhere in the world that is cheap (except the standard is low).
In the US, people save money which they call a college fund to be able to send their children to good schools, some of which are privately run. But here in Nigeria, no saving, you just send them to a school with 30k per semester. The problem is that the schools are not properly funded.
You pay more for quality.

CecyAdrian:
I won't bother to read anything that supports what this Yahoo Yahoo pastors do. I hope you know that before this churches started with their schools, other churches built school for both members and non members for absolute free. The missionary schools are church schools too yet they are near free with quality educations.

Most of these Yahoo Yahoo pastors went to missionary schools with little or no pay.

No they didn't. Don't surrounding yourself with lies. Adeboye who went to UNN, is that also a missionary school?
We are talking tertiary institutions and your are talking of missionary schools. Where they taught how to spell and that was it.
Pls just think properly. How can you compare a university to schools teaching ABCD?

BUHARImyDOG:
Nice write-ups op, nobody is forcing anybody to attend church owned universities.

Well said.!!!! Besides their are other government owned alternatives and even foreign schools to chose from.
At the end of the day it's a matter of choice.

CecyAdrian:
Oh please!! This schools pay nada to the FG in form of tax because they use their churches as cover, so why make it expensive. Hope you realize that missionary schools are also church schools?

Like I said before. Don't surround yourself with lies. They pay tax (at least the ones I'm sure of). The school and the church are separate entities. You don't register a university under a church.

And because you assume that they "pay nada to the FG in form of tax", that therefore means that bills like electricity, water, academic and non academic staff salaries should be ignored

[quote author=princejenks post=53639436][/quote]Their tuition being high is a relative thing. Most of these schools are just finding their feet. For people to even start comparing them to our public institutions that have been in existence for decades is a great achievement talk more of comparing them to international institutions. The good private unis in Nigeria are holding their own. They have gone a long way in so little time.
You say catholic, Anglican schools are free? Don't be deceived. They used to get serious fundings from abroad in those days. Now that most of these schools (I'm talking of their secondary schools) are self funding, their fees are also higher.
Most of the private unis are indigenous home grown faith based. Built from scratch.There's no mother church abroad anywhere.
Give credit where its due.
If you see anything good functioning anywhere, its because money is being spent on it. Tithes and offerings cannot sustain these schools. Some schools run businesses like pure water, , printing etc. It only makes sense to get money from extra sources to be self sustaining. I remember unilag was the first uni to think outside the box and start generating money from pure water, soap etc businesses. They didn't wait for the fed govt. Others have followed suite. Why you feel faith based schools cannot run businesses to meet the needs if their community, and also generate income at the same time beggars belief.
Churches running businesses to sustain themselves shows that tithe and offerings are not enough. Even the old churches church of England- Anglican, Catholic, methodist have always had business interests. They have being worth billions since time immemorial. They are not being run by tithes and offerings.

Let's assume everything you wrote is correct.

Your argument still holds no water as it has a major weakness: You didn't factor in the issue of quality.

Let us be honest, with the exception of CU (and this is arguable), ALL other private universities in Naija are of poorer quality (academically) than these long established government unis. They're grossly lacking in adequate research equipment necessary to carry out even the most basic research. They also have crap teachers with little or no reputation in their field.

The question of why Church Unis are expensive now becomes irrelevant.

Knowing fully well that these churches lack the necessary capital to build world class universities, the pressing questions are: Why should Churches build low quality unis with lots of money that could be used to raise existing government schools up to world class standard? Is the this practice even ethical? Because I'm sure that most of these private unis would not be accredited in a developed country.


In essence, you're answering the wrong question!

DrayZee:
No they didn't. Don't surrounding yourself with lies. Adeboye who went to UNN, is that also a missionary school?
We are talking tertiary institutions and your are talking of missionary schools. Where they taught how to spell and that was it.
Pls just think properly. How can you compare a university to schools teaching ABCD?

Schoo is school whether they teach ABCD or whatever

CecyAdrian:
Oh please!! This schools pay nada to the FG in form of tax because they use their churches as cover, so why make it expensive. Hope you realize that missionary schools are also church schools?

I hope you know Loyola Jesuit is a catholic secondary school? I also hope you know their fees per term is more than the private unis we talk about per session?
Faith based schools were taken over by the govt at a point in time, and their standards dropped. They are now being run by their boards, and more expensive but better quality.
All those missionary schools you talk about were being run by funds from abroad. For any school or organisation to be considered good, there's money at the wheels. Someone somewhere else may be paying for it, but its not free/cheap.

formula89:
Catholic churches then had volunteers. Which prof now will teach you for free?
NB:I'm a Catholic but I don't blame pastors for the high fee

Isn't that what it should be? Volunteers for the work of God. Teaching and enlightening God's children

CecyAdrian:
Schoo is school whether they teach ABCD or whatever

So you think it'd take the same number of resources to teach 123 as it would to teach the fundamentals of calculus. You're just being unreasonable here.

DrayZee:
So you think it'd take the same number of resources to teach 123 as it would to teach the fundamentals of calculus. You're just being unreasonable here.

It's u that's been unreasonable. Set up that which can benefit even the least in the society.

CecyAdrian:
It's u that's been unreasonable. Set up that which can benefit even the least in the society.

Really. The cheap universities, who have hey helped in the society?
It's like I should stop here. Women don't lose arguments, no matter how wrong they may be.
Just try and be considerate.

babyfaceafrica:
But this is not how Catholic ran churches way back then.....its too expensive...well na dem sabi

Ok but even orthodox church universities r expensive. Look at godfrey Okoye uni, it is also expensive

Exciton:
Let's assume everything you wrote is correct.

Your argument still holds no water as it has a major weakness: You didn't factor in the issue of quality.

Let us be honest, with the exception of CU (and this is arguable), ALL other private universities in Naija are of poorer quality (academically) than these long established government unis. They're grossly lacking in adequate research equipment necessary to carry out even the most basic research. They also have crap teachers with little or no reputation in their field.

The question of why Church Unis are expensive now becomes irrelevant.

Knowing fully well that these churches lack the necessary capital to build world class universities, the pressing questions are: Why should Churches build low quality unis with lots of money that could be used to raise existing government schools up to world class standard? Is the this practice even ethical? Because I'm sure that most of these private unis would not be accredited in a developed country.


In essence, you're answering the wrong question!

In 2015 Babcock university graduates were the best at the Nigerian bar exam. I also believe that the medical school at BU is also the best in this country. You can go to the school and judge with your own eyes. So let us not pretend it's only CU. Also when you say they have crap teachers you have gotten it wrong. A lot of the lecturers at private universities were also well respected lecturers at public universities. The same lecturer who taught my mum at Unilag medical school in the 80s is also teaching my younger sister in Babcock university today. So they do not have bad lecturers as you say. Let me ask you this, how much do you think churches realize from tithes and offerings? I mean a lot of us go to church here. We know how much we drop as offering and tithe. That's for those of us that actually drop. A lot of churches need to even do businesses outside to support their projects. If church business was that profitable even the "smallest pastors" would be stinkingly rich. In private universities like BU and CU because of the problems with electricity in Nigeria they basically have to run diesel generators for 24 hours in all the hostels and academic buildings. Do you think its cheap? Let's not forget they have staff to pay salaries to, from professors to cleaners and they do this every month for every session. And also the cost of building and maintaining facilities? Even research? The truth is they need money for all these things and it doesnt come cheap. I dont know any good private university in the world that is cheap. You say these schools dont have facilities? Some private schools have better equipped labs than the public schools. I mean we know the state of the facilities in some of our public universities. Lets not kid ourselves. Nothing good comes cheap and if you visit any of these schools and inspect their facilities youll realize why they arent cheap.

eyinjuege:
Their tuition being high is a relative thing. Most of these schools are just finding their feet. For people to even start comparing them to our public institutions that have been in existence for decades is a great achievement talk more of comparing them to international institutions. The good private unis in Nigeria are holding their own. They have gone a long way in so little time.
You say catholic, Anglican schools are free? Don't be deceived. They used to get serious fundings from abroad in those days. Now that most of these schools (I'm talking of their secondary schools) are self funding, their fees are also higher.
Most of the private unis are indigenous home grown faith based. Built from scratch.There's no mother church abroad anywhere.
Give credit where its due.
If you see anything good functioning anywhere, its because money is being spent on it. Tithes and offerings cannot sustain these schools. Some schools run businesses like pure water, , printing etc. It only makes sense to get money from extra sources to be self sustaining. I remember unilag was the first uni to think outside the box and start generating money from pure water, soap etc businesses. They didn't wait for the fed govt. Others have followed suite. Why you feel faith based schools cannot run businesses to meet the needs if their community, and also generate income at the same time beggars belief.
Churches running businesses to sustain themselves shows that tithe and offerings are not enough. Even the old churches church of England- Anglican, Catholic, methodist have always had business interests. They have being worth billions since time immemorial. They are not being run by tithes and offerings.

Well said. Those who have travelled or lived in western societies know that education is expensive . They are expensive because the school don't usually depend on government funding. That's why the schools rank high in terms of quality and standard. Private universities in Nigeria have actaully raised the bar in terms of tertiary education and this comes at a price.
At the end of the day its a matter of choice. Choice to pick from government, private and foreign universities.
My advice is people should make their choice and stop making a fuss about it.

datola:
You really tried.

These your points should put paid to the sensitive issue of church private university and high fee.

Funding recurrent expenditure cannot be through donations either from church members of from the GOs selling their luxury properties. It can only be possible for a year or two because it is not sustainable.

The best universities in the world are the most expensive.

I am so much impressed by Covenant University performance as shown by their top ranking among Nigerian universities.

The OP's logical reasoning shown in his writing is a pointer he got value for money he paid to study at Ota.

I know a family friend member that attends(ed) (not sure if he has graduated) Landmark University on full Scholarship funded by Bishop Oyedeo/Winners.

These our 'men of God' are trying. Their only problem is flamboyant lifestyle- of one man riding several private jets and moving about with horse whipping security operatives. Quite unchrist-like and unphillantropist they claim to be.

Thank you am elated

ANBAKO:
I bet the op a is member of winner's chapel.

I wait for that day when Nigerians will wake up and work instead of praying hard!!!!

I am not a member of winners chapel

martineverest:
am i the only one that noticed that the op and the first 6 commenters are all working together or were paid to support the OP,so it look like he s making sense,foolishly?

obviously a sponsored post by RCCG or winners' member, trying to justify the unjustifiable.

Pls, OP,what do they do with tithes and offerrings,then?...where did they get money that was used for this massive projects from?

Do u realise that RCCG's revenue is far more than 12 states' IGR combined?.each of these states affect their indigenes' lives than RCCG,physically

No you are wrong. I was not paid to do this. However, this issue of unaffordable universities is negatively affecting the Christian communities. Some churches try to explain but they never receive publicity and because ppl don't ppl don't seem to understand there is a lot of passive anger. I love the Nigerian church and I won't stand by to see it fall because of a misunderstanding.

jayriginal:
Your last point is the worst of all.

Creating a spiritual revolution ke? What are the churches for then?

Well am a testimony, the way I matriculated wasn't the way I graduated. In a Church uni there is so much opportunity for youths to be spiritually fed. That's why a very sizeabe population of CU grad are into full/part time ministry. The problem is not that these unis are too expensive but that our economy is so bad that we can't afford it.

dadaic:
Well, I have only this to say here. If Pastor Oyedepo wasn't making profit from the CU university, he wouldn't venture into having 2 other schools. If a business is not making profit, they close down. So you mean to tell me the VC likes spending his money to create schools, get fees paid at such rates, create other schools and loose money? Lol..that's ridiculous.

Meanwhile, all private universities do not have a fixed price, you see some lower than the other, they pay the academic and non academic staffs, they run electricity too, and of course still make profit from this. Some of their pastors who have kids do not have to pay their fees completely, they pay a certain amount. So if he doesn't make profit, he can as well make a statement and say all the pastor's who have kids must pay the fees completely like the others who aren't pastors. Abeg oga go and get your facts right.

Well check those schools and check living faith schools and compare.

BalogunIdowu:
abi it was a revelation from God to make it expensive as bishop oyedepo said some times back

He was quoted out of context

Exciton:
Let's assume everything you wrote is correct.

Your argument still holds no water as it has a major weakness: You didn't factor in the issue of quality.

Let us be honest, with the exception of CU (and this is arguable), ALL other private universities in Naija are of poorer quality (academically) than these long established government unis. They're grossly lacking in adequate research equipment necessary to carry out even the most basic research. They also have crap teachers with little or no reputation in their field.

The question of why Church Unis are expensive now becomes irrelevant.

Knowing fully well that these churches lack the necessary capital to build world class universities, the pressing questions are: Why should Churches build low quality unis with lots of money that could be used to raise existing government schools up to world class standard? Is the this practice even ethical? Because I'm sure that most of these private unis would not be accredited in a developed country.


In essence, you're answering the wrong question!

I agree with you. I'm sure Nigeria has quality care commissions to monitor schools, and make sure they're up to standard. But as usual, I'm sure they're ridden by corruption, and would always accredit schools that are not good provided brown envelopes have exchanged hands.
What I don't agree with however is that churches should help the govt refurbish or provide for their schools. FYI, I know churches in Lagos that have refurbished govt schools, set up up to date labs and computers, libraries for the schools. They've done well, but its not sustainable.
Instead, let's learn to hold our govt accountable. Nigeria can afford to raise her public schools to the highest standards possible. Why do we feel its alright for citizens who go into govt with next to nothing, and come out of their positions with millions of dollars and pounds?
I know churches that have built roads, repaired roads, given a lot of communities transformers etc but the truth is all these responsibilities are not the church's but the government. Nigeria will move forward if we go and carry placards / do walks insisting that all senators ,reps, should receive allowances like civil servants on perm sec levels. Let's start from there first.
Wanna type more, duty calls, gotta go..

OP is 100%. I didn't go to Covenant University but I went to Faith Academy.
Compared to a lot of schools, the fees were damn cheap for such quality education and I can say this because my parents are not rich but between my sister and I, 11 years were spent in that school.

princejenks:
op missed the point,whether tithes or donations,the money came mostly from the congregation so they should be considered in determining the tuition I.e they should be made to pay like one thirds the amount they would have charged non members rather than this token scholarship grants they hand out to some members whose wards attend such mission schools. Speaking of quality,with all the money being sunk into these private universities to build start of the art infrastructure,how come none of them is found in the top 1000 universities in the world? Why are they not driving inventions and innovations outside of the school environment,why is Nigeria not leading Africa in IT for example,with all that's being put in to provide world class teaching in these private universities?

Lol CU is the youngest(15yrs) university in top 100 Africa, and is ranked higher than all Nigerian unis except for UI which are decades older. Give the private unis more time.