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dadaic:
Well Mr man, i run an education program and I tell you Redeemers university and CU gives a percent fee to their kids for being pastors to their churches.

You talk of standards, this is really funny. I had a seminar in Abuja. This relates to the accounting department at CU. At the seminar, the VC made complaints as to how his school wasn't doing well in that field and in other respective fields. He then asked how we could help make his school be a better one for tomorrow. When we told him, he said the fees was going to be increased and till date the methods we mentioned to him hasn't been adopted. And such would amount to 200 dollars per accounting students. Till date, the students run the same useless program in accounting like they have a clue of what the real world is like.

You talk of standards, why won't my friends who finished at CU get a job out of the country with the standard quality education at CU. Stop being brain washed by what you dont know. No school, and I repeat, no school is built not to make profit. He isn't doing this for profit, yet 3 schools have being built. I hear you oo Mr man

Well, if your definition of a good graduate is getting a job outside the country, then there is no need to argue with you further. It's obvious your reasoning is flawed. If there is no private university built for non-profit, then what is your business with the fees paid there? Since it's a fact you've already accepted.
For accounting department in CU, I have no relation to accounting so I can't say much on that. But, from what I see, are you telling me that public Universities in Nigeria run the method you proposed to the VC? And what are we really talking about here, the fees accounting students pay, or their scheme of work?
Now forget that fact, profit will come as more students attend. But right now, he isn't making what you think he is. And even if he's doing it for profit, what then is your problem with it?

You just want him to give percentages to his members. That is outright criminality. A scholarship is enough. Or are you just blind to the fact that people may start moving to Winner's and RCCG just because of educational percentages. Is that what the church should be about? Giving percentages to members? Why do you feel it is their right to receive subsidised rates for a university just because it was built by their spiritual leader?
Tell me your problem here, the fees, or the fact that you feel those schools do not have quality.

frubben:
U kidding right? That oyedepo is not making any profit. And he has 2 uni. Hahhahhahahhhahhhahhha guy stop now

Ok sir. Invest in the University na. Is it not a good business opportunity for you?

CecyAdrian:
Oh please!! This schools pay nada to the FG in form of tax because they use their churches as cover, so why make it expensive. Hope you realize that missionary schools are also church schools?

I can't ignore this one. This is a big lie. My wife works in one of those. Yes, they pay taxes; that includes the staff too. Even staff employed by churches pay tax.

Exciton:
You still don't get it. I'm talking about creating world class institutions... even if it's just ONE. But, you're comparing two bad apples. I never said our public education is good, but I'm saying the private ones are worse. Mainly because they neither have the funds for equipment nor the teachers to match!

About teachers. Simple exercise: check CU's departmental webpages and check the number of lecturers than have a PhD to start with. Check the number of professors each department has. Check their publication record. Check if they've published anything of recent. Check if they've ever been published in any journal with a good (not even high) Impact Factor. The same is true for public unis but I assure you that it's worse in private unis.

dude if CU's publication record was as bad as you claim, there's no way they would be number 2 in the webometric ranking for Nigeria. I've attended both public and private universities, and I can tell you that private schools are better. I've given you facts to justify my argument.

Exciton:
You still don't get it. I'm talking about creating world class institutions... even if it's just ONE. But, you're comparing two bad apples. I never said our public education is good, but I'm saying the private ones are worse. Mainly because they neither have the funds for equipment nor the teachers to match!

About teachers. Simple exercise: check CU's departmental webpages and check the number of lecturers than have a PhD to start with. Check the number of professors each department has. Check their publication record. Check if they've published anything of recent. Check if they've ever been published in any journal with a good (not even high) Impact Factor. The same is true for public unis but I assure you that it's worse in private unis.

Lool, with the way you stated it, one will be easily fooled into believing you have checked all these things. Check CU page for yourself, see the profiles of all lecturers listed and compares phd lecturers and profs to student ratio, you'll see that it's better than that of most govt. institutions. Lool, as for publication, almost any week you check researchgate.com, covenant university research publications always have the highest read in Nigeria (speaking of research relevance all over the world) - I'll check for this week now and update you appropriately.
Furthermore about teachers, covenant university have the highest number of active researchers on google scholar (by a very very big margin) of all universities in Nigeria, and one of the highest in Nigeria. Also, do you know that Covenant university have the largest institutional repository in Africa since more than three years now?

princejenks:
pls, do indigenes and non indigenes pay the same fees in state universities? Each church have their criteria of vetting who is a member and who isn't,so changing churches for that purpose shouldn't distract from the main issue here which is high tuition. I never said it's compulsory for each member to send their wards to schools being run by their churches but their membership should be reflected in the tuition they'd be made to pay if they sent them there,the scholarship thing is like a drop in the pack for now. Google is your best friend on webometrics but I still stand on my point that in spite of the much noise they make about investing billions in infrastructure and teaching aids,they have only fared slightly better than government run institutions in spite of the exorbitant tuition they are charging,it calls to question the value they are really adding to our educational system.

Why are you so shamelessly propagating discrimination. So because something wrong is being done everywhere, it means your u should also follow to do it. Then what the fvck does the church stand for if it openly discriminates between members and non members.
Asking the value they've added to our educational system. Honestly I dunno what to say to you.

Typical Nigerian. You'll say the school is rubbish but you still complain about the fees. If they're only "slightly" better than government run uni's, then why don't you just leave em alone and go to the government run uni's instead?

If you haven't ever attended both a private institution and a public institution, then how do you expect tounderstand the difference between them?

Statsocial:
You are deliberately being ignorant. When webometrics ranked Best scholars in 2015, there were 78 CU lecturers out of the 700 ranked. Secondly CU has a policy that does not allow a lecturer without PHD lecture. If they do then their Phd is in view. Thirdly, Webometrics measures research relevance by online citation and CU is no 2 in Nigeria. So what are you saying

Haha. Best scholars of 2015 in Ogun State? Cos that's the only way 78 CU lecturers could enter that sort of list. 78! Hehehe. Come on! They must've cured cancer.

Your second claim is untrue, at least during my time in CU. Finished there years ago. So you can imagine that I know what I'm talking about. I know lecturers that left for their PhD study.

The department I finished from currently has just 1 or 2 professors. They have ZERO equipment for research and it's same in other departments. So, how the hell are these "top scholars" publishing papers if they've got fvck all to set up experiments and get data? The honest fact is that most people publish lies in Nigeria.

Secondly, I hope you understand that webometrics' methodology is highly dependent on websites of universities (their web repositories). Knowing how things are in naija, you can be sure the results aren't going to be realistic.

Remember, the aim for me is to have a world standard institution in Nigeria that actually does research with good academic teaching. Not, nice buildings and grass and church services.

Stop trying to paint CU like it's a great uni. It's crap like the rest in Naija.

dadaic:
Well Mr man, i run an education program and I tell you Redeemers university and CU gives a percent fee to their kids for being pastors to their churches.

You talk of standards, this is really funny. I had a seminar in Abuja. This relates to the accounting department at CU. At the seminar, the VC made complaints as to how his school wasn't doing well in that field and in other respective fields. He then asked how we could help make his school be a better one for tomorrow. When we told him, he said the fees was going to be increased and till date the methods we mentioned to him hasn't been adopted. And such would amount to 200 dollars per accounting students. Till date, the students run the same useless program in accounting like they have a clue of what the real world is like.

You talk of standards, why won't my friends who finished at CU get a job out of the country with the standard quality education at CU. Stop being brain washed by what you dont know. No school, and I repeat, no school is built not to make profit. He isn't doing this for profit, yet 3 schools have being built. I hear you oo Mr man

You use your friends that didn't get jobs as CU graduates as a case study? Your friends? Really? How can you use this to judge the school? Using maybe two or three friends of yours? I don't understand this. Let me just ask this, have you ever been to CU?

Exciton:
Haha. Best scholars of 2015 in Ogun State? Cos that's the only way 78 CU lecturers could enter that sort of list. 78! Hehehe. Come on! They must've cured cancer.

Your second claim is untrue, at least during my time in CU. Finished there years ago. So you can imagine that I know what I'm talking about. I know lecturers that left for their PhD study.

The department I finished from currently has just 1 or 2 professors. They have ZERO equipment for research and it's same in other departments. So, how the hell are these "top scholars" publishing papers if they've got fvck all to set up experiments and get data? The honest fact is that most people publish lies in Nigeria.

Secondly, I hope you understand that webometrics' methodology is highly dependent on websites of universities (their web repositories). Knowing how things are in naija, you can be sure the results aren't going to be realistic.

Remember, the aim for me is to have a world standard institution in Nigeria that actually does research with good academic teaching. Not, nice buildings and grass and church services.

Stop trying to paint CU like it's a great uni. It's crap like the rest in Naija.

Sir when did you finish from CU? Because I would like to ask you some questions about the school just to be sure that you're a product of the school. When did you finish?

Draxler:
You use your friends that didn't get jobs as CU graduates as a case study? Your friends? Really? How can you use this to judge the school? Using maybe two or three friends of yours? I don't understand this. Let me just ask this, have you ever been to CU?

Lol, does my visit to CU make a difference with the quality standard of the school? I interviewed 30 students from CU and I clearly say only one got the job. Most of them couldn't write or speak well.

You have your view as to why it's a good school, but companies all over the world doesn't recognize CU as a quality standard school. If you say I used my friends as a case study, please give me your case study so I understand. Meanwhile, I will be visiting the school tomorrow as i do every day.

DrayZee:
Well, if your definition of a good graduate is getting a job outside the country, then there is no need to argue with you further. It's obvious your reasoning is flawed. If there is no private university built for non-profit, then what is your business with the fees paid there? Since it's a fact you've already accepted.
For accounting department in CU, I have no relation to accounting so I can't say much on that. But, from what I see, are you telling me that public Universities in Nigeria run the method you proposed to the VC? And what are we really talking about here, the fees accounting students pay, or their scheme of work?
Now forget that fact, profit will come as more students attend. But right now, he isn't making what you think he is. And even if he's doing it for profit, what then is your problem with it?

You just want him to give percentages to his members. That is outright criminality. A scholarship is enough. Or are you just blind to the fact that people may start moving to Winner's and RCCG just because of educational percentages. Is that what the church should be about? Giving percentages to members? Why do you feel it is their right to receive subsidised rates for a university just because it was built by their spiritual leader?
Tell me your problem here, the fees, or the fact that you feel those schools do not have quality.

Judging from your first line, it's clear you bring out words that makes no sense. I never mentioned a definition of whatsoever, by having a job outside the country. All over the world, the only recognized African school that companies respect is in Kenya. You have no clue of anything young man.

The method I proposed was simple, CU claims to have the best research department in Nigeria, yet, students can't write a simple journal or can't differentiate between an article or a white page. I bet you also can't yourself. I proposed to the school not to adopt the Nigerian system of ICAN, it's the same process all the time. Things are evolving, things are changing, and if the lecturers at CU won't accept the change, their students will forever live their lives that way.

I did a research at Adobe and brought the concept to different schools. My company has given such schools the room to learn this at a cheap rate, you need not know what the people at CU are saying. You are not a student there anyway, ask the students, they will tell you themselves.

My argument isn't because of the fees, my argument is that the so called emphasis on quality education you claim they give to their students is over emphasized.

TheVictorious:
Lool, with the way you stated it, one will be easily fooled into believing you have checked all these things. Check CU page for yourself, see the profiles of all lecturers listed and compares phd lecturers and profs to student ratio, you'll see that it's better than that of most govt. institutions. Lool, as for publication, almost any week you check researchgate.com, covenant university research publications always have the highest read in Nigeria (speaking of research relevance all over the world) - I'll check for this week now and update you appropriately.
Furthermore about teachers, covenant university have the highest number of active researchers on google scholar (by a very very big margin) of all universities in Nigeria, and one of the highest in Africa. Also, do you know that Covenant university have the largest institutional repository in Africa since more than three years now?

Haha. Okay, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe CU publishes lots of papers. But they're obviously low quality papers because if CU has the largest repository in Africa, they shouldn't be lagging far behind top African universities. They aren't just behind, they're goddamn far away. What they publish is surely of little relevance in the scientific world. It's as simple as that.

But the question remains: how in goodness name do you publish science articles when you don't have the equipment in the first place? No materials xterization equipment, no clean room facilities, no large powerful computers for theoretical studies etc etc. How?

I shall end with a story. I met a guy that did his MSc in CU. He published 10+ papers there. I saw it, he wasn't lying. 10+ papers! Let that sink in, an ordinary engineering MSc student. If you do research, you'd know it's BS. It's obvious they're publishing crap data in lowly rated journals.

Lordkratus:
your write up was going nicely until you started throwing figures. point of correction my friend the 400million wage bill is per annum not per month. let me explain it is well know that the average salary of a private uni lecturer is about 300thousand after combining both academic and non academic staff and those university don't have up to 100 working staff strength because it is government owned universities that have that number of staff in fact let's even give them 120 staffs


We all know the salary structure of private universities especially church owned besides I have a brother lecturing in convenant uni. I know that monthly wage bill is not only impossible but unimaginable. so if the number of student is actually correct that you stated for the private university covenant then they are making a huge load of cash in profit from it. thanks

How did you know, you people just come on internet and say what you have no clue of with so much impunity. Now, Covenant University has over 400 active researchers on google scholar (follow the link to see............ https://scholar.google.com/citations?view_op=view_org&hl=en&org=18224868971208705017&after_author=AgNhAP3___8J&astart=400 and pic is also attached!), also consider lecturers that are not on google scholar, administrative staff, campus keepers, electricians, Construction agency and staffs, hall officers and porters, and a host of other non-academic staffs, you should be able to humbly agree that you goofed big time.

Once again, you have started to lie (as per your bro working ther or not, I don't know but I'm sure you don't know th school's salsry structure) , Okay, did ur bro show you the school's salary structure from which you drew conclusion? Also, which department is your brother? Now, imagine the salary structure of a school that can attract nobel prize holders and reputable foreign lecturers. Go through the schools webstie for lecturers profiles, thank me later!

BlacSmit:

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Oga. U're a thief! I've been on get help for d past one month n it hasn't paid me.

Na lie! Maybe na Get trouble u join nor be Get Help.
It's not possible, for the past one month?

dadaic:
Judging from your first line, it's clear you bring out words that makes no sense. I never mentioned a definition of whatsoever, by having a job outside the country. All over the world, the only recognized African school that companies respect is in Kenya. You have no clue of anything young man.

The method I proposed was simple, CU claims to have the best research department in Nigeria, yet, students can't write a simple journal or can't differentiate between an article or a white page. I bet you also can't yourself. I proposed to the school not to adopt the Nigerian system of ICAN, it's the same process all the time. Things are evolving, things are changing, and if the lecturers at CU won't accept the change, their students will forever live their lives that way.

I did a research at Adobe and brought the concept to different schools. My company has given such schools the room to learn this at a cheap rate, you need not know what the people at CU are saying. You are not a student there anyway, ask the students, they will tell you themselves.

My argument isn't because of the fees, my argument is that the so called emphasis on quality education you claim they give to their students is over emphasized.

You're still talking about getting jobs outside the country. What is wrong with developing this one. Is Nigeria cursed to you? Forget this your idea of successful academic achievement being getting a job abroad.

To your second paragraph, I'm not here to argue with the methods CU chose to adopt. That is not the issue here. Besides, you don't just make a complete change to a pre-existing process. Things like that take time. And CU's accounting process is not really my business. Take that out with them.

And this your company you talk about, have they also presented their ideas to government run institutions? Maybe that will help put the fees paid by students to better use. And it would cover a much larger scope considering the fact that public Universities are much more in Nigeria.
I have people in CU. I will ask about this your proposition.

Your argument is against the fact that they give quality education. It may be over emphasized, but it's sure as hell better than what is available in the government run ones.

Exciton:
Haha. [b1. ]Okay, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe CU publishes lots of papers. But they're obviously low quality papers[/b]

2. because if CU has the largest repository in Africa, they shouldn't be lagging far behind top African universities. They aren't just behind, they're goddamn far away. What they publish is surely of little relevance in the scientific world. It's as simple as that.

But the question remains: how in goodness name do you publish science articles when you don't have the equipment in the first place? No materials xterization equipment, no clean room facilities, no large powerful computers for theoretical studies etc etc. How?

3.I shall end with a story. I met a guy that did his MSc in CU. He published 10+ papers there. I saw it, he wasn't lying. 10+ papers! Let that sink in, an ordinary engineering MSc student. If you do research, you'd know it's BS. It's obvious they're publishing crap data in lowly rated journals.

1. I just told you that CU papers are one of the most read and cited in the country every week (updated on research gate), didn't you read my post well? Right now for last week CU papers were the second most read papers after UI.

follow the links: https://www.researchgate.net/institution/Covenant_University_Ota_Ogun_State_Nigeria https://www.researchgate.net/institution/University_of_Ibadan

2. Not Africa, It was Nigeria I wanted to type (maybe I should call it a slip of hand lol), In have corrested the error. CU's institutional repository is the best in Nigeria and West Africa, but not Africa, I really apologize for such an error. They're far away like you said because certain South African Varsities have pretty big repositories, comparable to those of Ivy League schools!!

3. Loool, an MSC grad for that matter, go to Harvard and see the research papers of BSC students. Well you're a typical naija guy no qualms. I hope by the time you see me too, you will rush here to criticize me, because I have a research target to complete in govt research institutes before I'll go for my masters.

Mind you, when I was in CU, your undergraduate research work has to be publishable in a standard journal before it will be considered.

Lastly who told you they aint got equipment have you been there?? For your information, only few schools in Africa can stand CU equipment-wise. Browse on reverse engineering and see how many West african schools practice that, check out on telemedicine and see how many african universities run that (mind you CU doesn't do medicine but the comp. science and biological sciences dept run it), how many of our schools back here can boast of constant electricity? Do you know that CU has a dedicated gas power plant for electricity generation, talk about instrumentation laboratories, computer labs, and world class work shops. It's just that CU don't like to loud all these things. But I promise you that when next am around, I will personally conduct a laboratory, classes and workshop tour and post here on Nairaland. Wait till then!

dadaic:
Lol, does my visit to CU make a difference with the quality standard of the school? I interviewed 30 students from CU and I clearly say only one got the job. Most of them couldn't write or speak well.

You have your view as to why it's a good school, but companies all over the world doesn't recognize CU as a quality standard school. If you say I used my friends as a case study, please give me your case study so I understand. Meanwhile, I will be visiting the school tomorrow as i do every day.

Nah I find this hard to believe. CU graduates can't write or speak well? I spent five years in the school and I met good speakers in different departments. In my department we gave presentations virtually everyday and people spoke and wrote well. Maybe the people applying for your jobs are the ones that graduated with 3rd class after like 7 extra years.

Statsocial:
By Ife Olaleye
There has been so much buzz about Church universities being expensive in Nigeria and I would like to address some of this controversies mostly using Covenant University as a case study.

Tithes/Offerings are used to build Church Universities? This seems to be a widely asserted theory. This is partly not true because most Churches don’t exactly use Tithes/Offerings for building church universities but create special donations for that purpose. Usually, the initial university capital projects are funded with these donations. We have to remember that the core mandate of any church isn’t not to create universities but to preach the gospel of Jesus and help the poor and that is done with tithes/offering to establish outreaches, pay pastoral salaries, build new churches etc.


Donations can’t sustain recurrent expenditure: while ‘excited’ members would usually agree to pay donations for the initial financial responsibility of the universities. No church would be able to get its church members to continually pay for its recurrent expenditure. In fact if any of these church schools were to try and choose continual donations as an alternative to ‘High’ tuition fees the next thing you would see are private university lecturers going on strike.



Are Church universities profitable? I do not believe any sane investor or business man would venture into the tertiary education sector with the aim of making profit. There is a reason why you wouldn’t find Otedola or Dangote investing in education. If you do your research properly you would find that till today Covenant university hasn’t made any profit for its proprietors. Let us examine the revenue vs expenditure of Covenant university for example. The Covenant university tuition(undergraduate) ranges between 600,000-800,000 depending on level/program but I would base it on 700k. There are about 7,000 students on campus at a given time so I multiply 700,000 by 7,000=4.9 billion. So the university’s revenue from tuition fees is about 4.9 billion.

When considering expenditure I would like to keep the value projections conservative. I believe Covenant University’s wage bill to be around 500 million/month but I would calculate using 400 million since that is the average wage bill for a Nigerian university. So 400 million x 12 months= 4.8 billion. I currently don’t know how much CU pays to get electricity but reports had it that in 2012 the university spent 700 million naira on electricity. I would deliberately exclude expenditures like research grant, conference support, Infrastructure, field trips, medical services, internet provision e.t.c because I do not have real data to conclude how much they gulp yearly. So using just wage bill+Electricity, the university has spent 5.5 billion when the tuition fee is about 4.8 billion. This proves the former NUC president, Peter Okebukola right when he said that ‘’Church universities were being too dependent on the Church’’. Also, the VC of Crawford did buttress the fact that the proprietor base still donates 500 million yearly to Crawford as subsidy. If these subsidies weren’t in place Church universities would have been more expensive that secular ones.


Assumed wealth of the Church: there is a saying in Yoruba land that ‘’the chicken sweats but the feathers won’t let you know’’. Would you believe that Oyedepo nearly missed his own deadline for the establishment of the first two halls of residence in Covenant University? because donations weren’t coming forth, until God miraculously provided.


‘Expensive’ tuition isn’t unique to Pentecostal Churches: whilst many choose to assault Pa. Adeboye and Bishop Oyedepo for charging high tuition fees. It is important to note that even Orthodox churches which are known not to be ‘’prosperity conscious’’ charge within the same bracket e.g Bowen(Baptist), ECWA(Bingham), Godfrey Okoye(Catholic), Adventist(Babcock), JABU(CAC), Methodist(Wesley) e.t.c


Expensive tuition isn’t unique to Church universities alone; Church universities are ranked to be generally good with Covenant University averagely in top three on the two out of four most reputable rankings in the world-Webometrics and Times higher education. However Islamic schools that are not in the top 50 universities in Nigeria but also charge about half a million(e.g Crescent) which is about the same thing CU charges.


The underlining purpose for creating Church schools; This is very important, the creation of church schools isn’t to actually teach physics and chemistry, but to create a spiritual revolution. Take that spiritual revolution away from CU, then it is by no means different from Afebabalola university. Therefore, if you are a committed member of your church you are already a member of that movement. For instance I am not a living faith member, but by attending CU I have joined myself to the spiritual movement of the church.

Honestly I concur with this write up, from a practical experience I was an acting head of my department sometimes ago in one of Nigeria private university owned by a mission and I had the opportunity to attend budget meeting for a new session ahead. At the meeting the proposed recurrent expenditure alone outweighs the total tuition expected by far, and I innocently queried why not increased the intakes to make sure there is enough money, then I was made to understand that the NUC regulates the number of student they can admit based on their facilities and capability as at then it dawn on me why the tuition is that high. Now in a case where recurrent expenditure is more than income how do they cope with capital expenditure. As at that time the capital expenditure before the university runs to billions, honestly education is quite expensive our government need to do something to help. I believe the tuition will still come down by the time most of this schools are fully developed and they can admit a large number of student, but that is going to be a long time. it is well

Statsocial:
Well Adeleke isn't top 10 or even top 20 but I agree he is amongst the elite. A person may establish a universities based on so many reasons. But you already assume that Adeleke established his own based on enterprise, which may not necessarily be so. Private universities are classified into two "for profit" or "not for profit". CU is officially labelled not profit. De bells for example could be for profit because the tuition is more expensive than that of CU even though it is poorly ranked. So Adeleke could infact be profitable.
When comparing private unis fees people erroneously compare them with public unis. But actually they should b compared with secular private unis to determine their profitability because of course public universities are funded by oil money and tax. So since CU, RUN, Bowen are cheaper than AUN, BAZE then it means that Church unis were subsidized. Shikena

Do u mean CU is subsidized, by who?, Pastor Adeboye himself or the church. Ehen ......

TheVictorious:
1. I just told you that CU papers are one of the most read and cited in the country every week (updated on research gate), didn't you read my post well? Right now for last week CU papers were the second most read papers after UI.

follow the links: https://www.researchgate.net/institution/Covenant_University_Ota_Ogun_State_Nigeria https://www.researchgate.net/institution/University_of_Ibadan

2. Not Africa, It was Nigeria I wanted to type (maybe I should call it a slip of hand lol), In have corrested the error. CU's institutional repository is the best in Nigeria and West Africa, but not Africa, I really apologize for such an error. They're far away like you said because certain South African Varsities have pretty big repositories, comparable to those of Ivy League schools!!

3. Loool, an MSC grad for that matter, go to Harvard and see the research papers of BSC students. Well you're a typical naija guy no qualms. I hope by the time you see me too, you will rush here to criticize me, because I have a research target to complete in govt research institutes before I'll go for my masters.

Mind you, when I was in CU, your undergraduate research work has to be publishable in a standard journal before it will be considered.

Lastly who told you they aint got equipment have you been there?? For your information, only few schools in Africa can stand CU equipment-wise. Browse on reverse engineering and see how many West african schools practice that, check out on telemedicine and see how many african universities run that (mind you CU doesn't do medicine but the comp. science and biological sciences dept run it), how many of our schools back here can boast of constant electricity? Do you know that CU has a dedicated gas power plant for electricity generation, talk about instrumentation laboratories, computer labs, and world class work shops. It's just that CU don't like to loud all these things. But I promise you that when next am around, I will personally conduct a laboratory, classes and workshop tour and post here on Nairaland. Wait till then!

Pure comedy!! Especially the third point and last paragraph. Hehehe. Obviously, you aren't into scientific research to think the junk infrastructure at CU is world class.

If I didn't do my undergrad at CU, I still wouldn't fall for this. Lol.

DrayZee:
Why are you so shamelessly propagating discrimination. So because something wrong is being done everywhere, it means your u should also follow to do it. Then what the fvck does the church stand for if it openly discriminates between members and non members.
Asking the value they've added to our educational system. Honestly I dunno what to say to you.

Typical Nigerian. You'll say the school is rubbish but you still complain about the fees. If they're only "slightly" better than government run uni's, then why don't you just leave em alone and go to the government run uni's instead?

If you haven't ever attended both a private institution and a public institution, then how do you expect tounderstand the difference between them?

you don't have to delve into personal attack if you can't figure points to counter my argument. Now if according to your argument that tithes and offerings are not enough to run the schools,then the pragmatic approach will be to charge tuition but my argument is that it shouldn't be priced out of reach of members that wish to send their wards there,if you've problems with the word discrimination then you can substitute it with benefits,that is,paying a slightly reduced tuition should be one of the benefits of being an active member. Talking about what the church stands for,it should be about preaching and propagating the gospel while helping members both morally,spiritually and finacially when necessary to keep their faith and live holy lives but when the church goes out of its major purpose to fulfill a need which is lacking in society like providing education then it shouldn't be done with profit in mind,exorbitant fees being charged by schools owned by missions gives credence to calls for churches to be taxed,think about it

Exciton:
Pure comedy!! Especially the third point and last paragraph. Hehehe. Obviously, you aren't into scientific research to think the junk infrastructure at CU is world class.

If I didn't do my undergrad at CU, I still wouldn't fall for this. Lol.

Lool oga, which year did you graduate, I doubt you know what CUCRID is, I doubt you know what telemedicine is, I'm sure you dont know what reverse engineering is, I believe when you were in CU, there were no smart boards in every class that can access the internet, I know you didn't use the e-learning moodle with samsung tabs. Lastly I'm very sure you've never been to unilag (which I live close to) or ony other federal school in Nigeria to compare the "poor" developing CU you attended with their present state. BTW, which program did you take? I rest my case

princejenks:
you don't have to delve into personal attack if you can't figure points to counter my argument. Now if according to your argument that tithes and offerings are not enough to run the schools,then the pragmatic approach will be to charge tuition but my argument is that it shouldn't be priced out of reach of members that wish to send their wards there,if you've problems with the word discrimination then you can substitute it with benefits,that is,paying a slightly reduced tuition should be one of the benefits of being an active member. Talking about what the church stands for,it should be about preaching and propagating the gospel while helping members both morally,spiritually and finacially when necessary to keep their faith and live holy lives but when the church goes out of its major purpose to fulfill a need which is lacking in society like providing education then it shouldn't be done with profit in mind,exorbitant fees being charged by schools owned by missions gives credence to calls for churches to be taxed,think about it

So churches should be taxed for the cost of their schools even after the schools are taxed. What are you saying sef? Elaborate please.

TheVictorious:
Lool oga, which year did you graduate, I doubt you know what CUCRID is, I doubt you know what telemedicine is, I'm sure you dont know what reverse engineering is, I believe when you were in CU, there were no smart boards in every class that can access the internet, I know you didn't use the e-learning moodle with samsung tabs. Lastly I'm very sure you've never been to unilag (which I live close to) or ony other federal school in Nigeria to compare the "poor" developing CU you attended with their present state. BTW, which program did you take? I rest my case

Finished 2010. You can forget about any more info as regards that cos I cherish my anonymity.

Of course, we didn't have those learning aids at that time. But that's just what they are, nothing more. These things have little effect on overall academic quality. What's important is teaching quality and research equipment. I'd rather Feynman taught me physics under a mango tree than some incompetent guy with all the learning aids available in a lovely class with AC.

Telemedicine, reverse engineering. Haha. You must think those terms are really tech and advanced. You're a very funny guy.

TheVictorious:
So churches should be taxed for the cost of their schools even after the schools are taxed. What are you saying sef? Elaborate please.

google is your best friend but lemme educate you a little,churches are being considered as public entities,as such when they go into providing education,such investments are not taxed like they would have been if they were considered private companies but suffice to add that employees still pay personal income tax from their salaries. There has been this long standing argument for and against the taxation of churches or faith based organizations in Nigeria as it's being done elsewhere as soon as churches branch out of being just charitable organizations to establishing investments that make profits. You would agree that most churches in our time don't have the kind of structure of orthodox churches which is clearly outlined without self succession but you'd agree many new Pentecostal churches start off with one person who establishes his church and grows to establish many branches with offerings,tithes and donations after which they branch out to other investments. Imagine if church property and prime real estate built in large expanses of land called churches were to be taxed,it would be a lot of revenue for govt but any efforts to do so is always met with opposition as many claim church goers are already being taxed as such donations they make to churches shouldn't be taxed again as it would amount to double taxation.

princejenks:
you don't have to delve into personal attack if you can't figure points to counter my argument. Now if according to your argument that tithes and offerings are not enough to run the schools,then the pragmatic approach will be to charge tuition but my argument is that it shouldn't be priced out of reach of members that wish to send their wards there,if you've problems with the word discrimination then you can substitute it with benefits,that is,paying a slightly reduced tuition should be one of the benefits of being an active member. Talking about what the church stands for,it should be about preaching and propagating the gospel while helping members both morally,spiritually and finacially when necessary to keep their faith and live holy lives but when the church goes out of its major purpose to fulfill a need which is lacking in society like providing education then it shouldn't be done with profit in mind,exorbitant fees being charged by schools owned by missions gives credence to calls for churches to be taxed,think about it

I have said it before. The church and their universities are separate entities. The university may be taxed while it's church isn't. So forget this your tax issue.
Now, I also stand on my ground that nothing like subsidised rates should be done. I have mentioned the fact that they give scholarships to their members repeatedly. I don't know if you're just ignoring that fact on purpose. That is the only way to ensure that people don't move from church to church based on the University affiliated with the church. It'll now look like having schools should be a requirement of a church.

princejenks:
google is your best friend but lemme educate you a little,churches are being considered as public entities,as such when they go into providing education,such investments are not taxed like they would have been if they were considered private companies but suffice to add that employees still pay personal income tax from their salaries. There has been this long standing argument for and against the taxation of churches or faith based organizations in Nigeria as it's being done elsewhere as soon as churches branch out of being just charitable organizations to establishing investments that make profits. You would agree that most churches in our time don't have the kind of structure of orthodox churches which is clearly outlined without self succession but you'd agree many new Pentecostal churches start off with one person who establishes his church and grows to establish many branches with offerings,tithes and donations after which they branch out to other investments. Imagine if church property and prime real estate built in large expanses of land called churches were to be taxed,it would be a lot of revenue for govt but any efforts to do so is always met with opposition as many claim church goers are already being taxed as such donations they make to churches shouldn't be taxed again as it would amount to double taxation.

You are wrong, churcch universities are taxed, I will assume that you are ignorant about that. It's the church itself that is now taxed. Covenant University is taxed heavily, being an entity registered and approved as a university, independent of the proprietary base or where ever funds were sourced from to establish, that I know of and I don't think it will be a different case for any other faith based institution!

Exciton:
Finished 2010. You can forget about any more info as regards that cos I cherish my anonymity.

Of course, we didn't have those learning aids at that time. But that's just what they are, nothing more. These things have little effect on overall academic quality. What's important is teaching quality and research equipment. I'd rather Feynman taught me physics under a mango tree than some incompetent guy with all the learning aids available in a lovely class with AC.

Telemedicine, reverse engineering. Haha. You must think those terms are really tech and advanced. You're a very funny guy.

Yes they are in nigeria, and you didn't answer my questions about visiting federal unis, pls do.

Of course I will rather have feynman and Shakuntala Devi tach me too but if that's the case then we should stop talking about university and university rankings because the schools of many great scientific minds (Like Richard Feynman) anint given much credit.

Mind you, Feynman can't teach you well under a mango tree, it will bore the hell outa you. He need to take you to a good university with nano-devices, electron microscopes and the likes to explain better, you may also need the AC and conducive enviroment to understand better!

Statsocial:
Well am a testimony, the way I matriculated wasn't the way I graduated. In a Church uni there is so much opportunity for youths to be spiritually fed. That's why a very sizeabe population of CU grad are into full/part time ministry. The problem is not that these unis are too expensive but that our economy is so bad that we can't afford it.

Bro, I'm not sure of what you're saying but if after all the fees you're still saying am instead of I'm, wahala dey oh

iguita:
Worth the way the OP wrote, I knew (s)he was an insider. People just talk ignorantly but I am happy with your conservative analysis. Despite not making money from the venture, the man went on to build another in Kwagala, why? Because he wants to raise a new crop of leaders. Has he been perfect? NO. Successful? 110%

Then y are they buying private jets?
to spread d gospel across the globe? hmm?
Double twale for your confusion.

TheVictorious:
You are wrong, churcch universities are taxed, I will assume that you are ignorant about that. It's the church itself that is now taxed. Covenant University is taxed heavily, being an entity registered and approved as a university, independent of the proprietary base or where ever funds were sourced from to establish, that I know of and I don't think it will be a different case for any other faith based institution!

I'd love more elucidation on this cos all my research doesn't reflect what you've stated here. Educational institutions are categorized as proprietary educational institution(for profit) and not-for-profit educational institutions which most educational institutions owned by faith based missions fall or register under,I.e,they are companies with limited guarantee. They pay some form of taxes though, like employees in such not-for-profit educational institutions have their personal income tax being deducted,they also pay VAT and some other form of taxes to the state but their incomes as an institution are not taxed.