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| Re: The Sorry State Of Nigeria Under President Muhammadu Buhari by nell4: 8:21pm On Feb 16, 2017 |
2kaybiel:please take us before now and I will gladly call u messiah. tenkiu |
| Re: The Sorry State Of Nigeria Under President Muhammadu Buhari by obailala(m): 8:23pm On Feb 16, 2017 |
LordAdam7:Haha, brotherly, borrowing to pay salaries is one of the clearest things that a government should NEVER do. If the government's hands are so badly tied that it is has to borrow money to pay salaries, then that is one clearest signs of impending doom. LordAdam7:Oil prices began to drop mid-way into 2014, i.e. from about 3Q 2014. From 3Q 2014 to 2Q 2015, I'm not sure i understand how you arrived at 18 months, that's more like 9 months to me. With that aside, I'm keen to get more details of how wonderfully well you claimed GEJ and NOI handled the economy when oil price began dropping because within this 9 months period, the following happened (prove me wrong if you can): (1) Nigeria's GDP growth rate steadily dropped from 6.54% to 2.32% as at the time of handover (of course it continued dropping after the new govt took over until we got to a recession but after looking at the chart below, I find it rather weird and outrightly callous that many intelligent folks like yourself still argue that recession was all Buhari's fault (not even oil price is blamed by you guys). https://cdn.tradingeconomics.com/charts/nigeria-gdp-growth-annual.png?s=nigeriagdpyoy&v=201701041223t&d1=20140516&d2=20170216&type=column www.nairaland.com/attachments/4878902_gdpvscrudeprice3_jpeg6d384f239fc88507a3734eb2818bdc65 http://www.tradingeconomics.com/nigeria/gdp-growth-annual (2) In desperation to save the economy, $10 billion was expended from the nation's forex reserves to defend the Naira (between Nov 2014 and May 2015), hence our reserves crashed from $38.5bn to $28.5bn as at handover, but even with that huge amount, the Naira still crashed inevitably from N165 to N220/N230 at the parallel market. And this was despite the fact that Nigeria still drilled 2.2million barrels daily and oil prices still sold above $60. Of course with the dangerously low funds in the reserves, it would have been foolish to keep disbursing FX further to save the Naira hence the new admin instituted forex restrictions to prevent a Venezuelan situation (zero reserves). But of course the restrictions gave a big hit to the Naira and chased away loads of investors who could clearly see Nigeria was already in a mess. You do not need a soothsayer to tell you the Naira wouldn't have fallen beyond N250 and we wouldnt have been in this mess had there been adequate money in the reserves to be disbursing $10bn every six months as NOI and GEJ did. That is why smart economist (including NOI herself) still blame the govt of GEJ for not saving nada. (3) I don't need to re-mention the fact that GEJ and NOI were already borrowing to pay salaries (a clear disaster), fuel subsidy was already being owed importers for the full 9 months period spanning from Aug 2014 to May 2015; of course this forced importers to halt importation for fear that the new govt may not pay them either, and this led to the harshest fuel scarcity in Nigeria's history in May 2015 when even banks had to start shutting by 12 noon for lack of diesel to run generators. In summary, I'm sorry bro, your claim that NOI and GEJ handled the crash very well is very flawed, baseless and borne out of ignorance of what really transpired. GEJ and NOI were just divinely lucky enough to bailout before the pangs of the impending recession started getting to ordinary Nigerians on the streets and of course the scapegoat Buhari took all the blame when the eagle eventually landed. You may want to argue that they may have done something differently further down the line had GEJ won, but that is only an ASSUMPTION which cannot be substantiated. Fact is that they can only be sensibly judged based on their performance that we saw between 3Q 2014 and 2Q 2015. Since 1999, oil price has fallen 3 times under 3 different PDP governments. All 3 governments were able to manage it without any negative growth EVERY SINGLE time. With that 100% record, there is no rational human being that wouldn't say Nigeria's economy had a hell of a lot more chance riding the 2013-2016 price drop under Jonathan than under a medically-, academically-, and intellectually-unfit ex-dictator and coupist who did not improve himself one bit in over 30 years outside Aso Rock.Oh yes oil prices have fallen a couple of times and the harshest was in 2008 when oil prices crashed from $148 to $35. But just incase you aren't aware, that crash of 2008 lasted only 6 months between mid-2008 to early 2009. In addition, it is on record that the CBN then, disbursed a whooping $20billion into the market to bail Nigeria out of that global crisis and that was the only reason Nigeria survived it and the pangs weren't felt; remember that $20billion was readily available to be disbursed simply because OBJ had accrued massive savings. Now kindly remind us of how long the present oil price crash has lasted? It's approaching 3 years now... and while you are at it, kindly remind us how much NOI and GEJ left in the reserves for Buhari to utilise in balancing the effects? Please while we all agree Buhari isn't doing enough to stem the economic crisis we are presently in, kindly stop insulting our sensibilities by claiming GEJ was any better when it is simply clear they both experienced totally different situations. |
| Re: The Sorry State Of Nigeria Under President Muhammadu Buhari by TonyeBarcanista(op): 8:26pm On Feb 16, 2017 |
TGM2015:I don't like holding brief for any administration but aren't we borrowing under the present government? Is the country getting better or worse it? How many companies left Nigeria since May29, 2015? How many retrenched staffs? Which government in our history has the kind of Budget that this government operated on in 2016 and the proposed 2017 bill? |
| Re: The Sorry State Of Nigeria Under President Muhammadu Buhari by deomelo: 8:27pm On Feb 16, 2017 |
obailala:Kudos. |
| Re: The Sorry State Of Nigeria Under President Muhammadu Buhari by EnigmaticEnigma(m): 8:32pm On Feb 16, 2017 |
Billyonaire:Boy! This was finger licking good!! Like... How can you have an Emir here an Oba there, a Chief somewhere, constitutional courts by day, sharia courts by night. We are just so divided, but like crabs in a barrel, we'd rather all die in the barrel than allow ourselves to be free. Crab mentality. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5pzZS0cN0k |
| Re: The Sorry State Of Nigeria Under President Muhammadu Buhari by bubu2019: 8:33pm On Feb 16, 2017 |
fiizznation:EWU GAMBIA |
| Re: The Sorry State Of Nigeria Under President Muhammadu Buhari by raynold(m): 8:34pm On Feb 16, 2017 |
deomelo:so what policies has PMB implemented? from 222/$ to 510/$, high cost of living, no increase in minimum wage(even war torn countries earn more) etc in 2 years.. you honestly can't blame all that on GEJ.. We should be talking about solutions here and not blaming someone, if you are the CEO of a company and you keep blaming past CEO's for the current situation of the company after 2 years do you think you will still have that job, the board/Nigerians already know the person heading the office in the past messed up greatly and you were hired to fixed the problem and not to blame past persons for 2years.. |
| Re: The Sorry State Of Nigeria Under President Muhammadu Buhari by deomelo: 8:44pm On Feb 16, 2017 |
raynold:If you mismanage your money or emptied your bank account today after making a lot of money, you will suffer the effect tomorrow so obviously, your actions yesterday will dictate your situation today or determine if you are going to eat or not or pay your bills or not. It's common sense and basic logic. Yes we should talk about solutions, but the OP decided to play the blame game and fed us ignorance instead. This topic should have been about solutions instead of the ignorant ramblings and ignoring how we arrived at this sorry state. You and the OP are free to start with solutions and I'll contribute my own solutions too. |
| Re: The Sorry State Of Nigeria Under President Muhammadu Buhari by Nobody: 8:45pm On Feb 16, 2017 |
donJ2:Shut up empty head, can't you brain comprehend even such simple statements, I was being sarcastic & trying to say we should look inward & not always depend on imports, Buy our own stuff with naira, Nigerians keep worrying about dollar because they import even ordinary toilet paper. |
| Re: The Sorry State Of Nigeria Under President Muhammadu Buhari by ThinkSmarter: 8:47pm On Feb 16, 2017 |
oyinkinola:he is not biased in any way, he listed the achievements and flaws of every administration from obj~yar~gej~pmb with statistics to back up his claims. He totally analsed all the economic development in Nigeria from 1999 till date. Remember these people wailing here re the same people that campaigned n voted for PMB in 2015. Nigerians voted for CHANGE, stop giving them reasons and give them results. The economy that obj melt z far worst than the economy handed over to PMB, yet obj never blamed the military, rather, he put mercenaries in place and piloted Nigeria to greatness. The problem with PMB z that he dropped all the good economic blueprints of the past government cuz of sentiments, yet with no alternative plan, he view PDP as an enemy, not as a political opponent. And most of the people he appointed were based on their contribution to his election, not based on their capacity. The voice of the people z the voice of God. If he continue giving excuses, #NigeriansWillDecide again come 2019, just like the way they decided in 2015. |
| Re: The Sorry State Of Nigeria Under President Muhammadu Buhari by donJ2(m): 8:47pm On Feb 16, 2017 |
deomelo:You havn't answered my question.. Did pdp or goodluck cause the 1983 buhari's regime recession |
| Re: The Sorry State Of Nigeria Under President Muhammadu Buhari by cheruv: 8:50pm On Feb 16, 2017 |
fiizznation:Stale!! |
| Re: The Sorry State Of Nigeria Under President Muhammadu Buhari by WithX(m): 8:51pm On Feb 16, 2017 |
TonyeBarcanista: TonyeBarcanista:Sir TonyeBarcanista, you are the OP sir and i never expected this from you. you could have been civil in your reply. the bolded takes away the glamour in your reply. #pleasebecivil Bolustic:are the bolded really necessary sir? raynold:Replying a post with insult is now customary on among nigerian youths. It baffles me that we no longer know how to be civil in replying a post. Must we resort to insult? No mater how obvious, fact finding, glaring or beautiful your comment is, the moment you add insultive word(s), it loses substance. Lets learn to respect others opinion and be civil in our comment. We are all here debating on how our leaders are not getting it right, insulting each other will never get us out of the mess we are. lets stop the blame game, lets put out religious, ethnic and political sentiments apart, let us as youth |
| Re: The Sorry State Of Nigeria Under President Muhammadu Buhari by deomelo: 8:52pm On Feb 16, 2017 |
donJ2:Of what relevance is your pointless question? I showed you a video with okonjo and jona explaining to us that they failed to prevent what we are going through today when Nigeria was making a lot of money and you are asking me silly questions |
| Re: The Sorry State Of Nigeria Under President Muhammadu Buhari by vislabraye(m): 8:53pm On Feb 16, 2017 |
nduchucks:So what should Nigerians do ? We voted for change but we are getting excuses . Obj didn't blame Abacha like this. Abacha left $3bn for Obj. Tjus administration should learn to take responsibility. |
| Re: The Sorry State Of Nigeria Under President Muhammadu Buhari by SonOfEl(m): 8:55pm On Feb 16, 2017 |
Jesusloveyou:I may not know, but I definitely know that I don't sound like a zombie. Perhaps that's why you don't understand me. Sorry. |
| Re: The Sorry State Of Nigeria Under President Muhammadu Buhari by nattyGENT: 8:57pm On Feb 16, 2017 |
Bolustic:YOU ARE LIKE THE PERSON YOU ARE ATTACKING, listen to yourself |
| Re: The Sorry State Of Nigeria Under President Muhammadu Buhari by raynold(m): 9:00pm On Feb 16, 2017 |
deomelo:believe you me, if i should handle that budget i'll most likely save us billions of naira or even trillion. why don't we start their. getting a better economic team will go a long way. as much as it pains me to say, we need ngozi okonjo-iweala help/consult, we need all the help we can get right now.. you still sound like you blame GEJ for all that is happening to us, GEJ is the biggest scam non to man but PMB is really not far behind.. |
| Re: The Sorry State Of Nigeria Under President Muhammadu Buhari by raynold(m): 9:06pm On Feb 16, 2017 |
WithX:bro i did not insult anyone, i never have and never will. if you go through my past comments i actually complained about this. |
| Re: The Sorry State Of Nigeria Under President Muhammadu Buhari by fabre4: 9:07pm On Feb 16, 2017 |
TonyeBarcanista:Were u in owerri this week I saw someone who looks like u |
| Re: The Sorry State Of Nigeria Under President Muhammadu Buhari by donJ2(m): 9:10pm On Feb 16, 2017 |
deomelo:Clearly u are loosing it, when I read this pointless wierd (non- sequitor) questions, I had to check again d poster and was disappointed that u wrote these lame stuff, I have seen better arguements from you, Buh this post...smh Tho unlike you that don't attempt my questions (u always use propaganda to avoid em') Lemme attempt urs For d records am not partisan. I believe a good leader can come frm any party but With the largest GDP, GEJ - kept dollar around N200 and N220 in parallel mkt. - made Rice N8000 - we had more jobs (+180, 000 people kept their jobs) - we had more companies operating (+272 companies) Anyone can borrow, just like buhari wants to do, Buh we will see d impact of his borrowing to our economy. Meanwhile can u tell me d current prices of these commodities in Ur area.... Now Nigerians don't care about who borrowed what, we want Food to be affordable and this is like Rocket science to Ur messiah who promised us change. He should bury his head in shame... In London causing more pressure on the naira, cuz he's spending Forex which coulda been used for importation of Raw materials
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| Re: The Sorry State Of Nigeria Under President Muhammadu Buhari by LordAdam7: 9:13pm On Feb 16, 2017*. Modified: 10:21pm On Feb 16, 2017 |
obailala:Says who? Oil prices began to drop mid-way into 2014, i.e. from about 3Q 2014. From 3Q 2014 to 2Q 2015, I'm not sure i understand how you arrived at 18 months, that's more like 9 months to me.Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla... 1. Growth rate did not drop to negative. 2. Nigeria's rating drop and the Sick One's (PMB) lack of cabinet were the major reasons investors avoided Nigerian like the plague. That would never have happened under GEJ. Don't blame the monetary policy. Because even with the managed float, investors over-subscribed our $1b bond by over 700% recently. 3. Nigeria disbursed $20b and an additional $5b for bank bailout in 2009 primarily because of the Global Financial Crisis. Don't blame it on a 6 months oil price crash. Because if that was the case, GEJ would've used $35b to wedge the 9 month oil price cash. But he used far less, $10b. Don't think you can rewrite history and get away with it. GEJ/NOI are miles better than Buhari/Osinbajo/Kemi and the entire band of misfits in the present FG in handling the oil downturn. You can't even deny that if you were bribed. My points still stand, and your poor excuse of a retort just proved you to be a biased fellow nit-picking facts. You did not retort any of my 7 hefty bullet points why Nigeria would never have entered recession if GEJ was the President. Your inability to do that makes all your 3-numbered quackery gibberish null and void. -Lord |
| Re: The Sorry State Of Nigeria Under President Muhammadu Buhari by donJ2(m): 9:28pm On Feb 16, 2017 |
BlackMbakara1:It is not called subsidy my friend. Solomon grandi Subsidising dollar is when dollar is given at 160 to muslim pilgrims way below the the inter bank rate. Sufficient dollar in our reserve strenghtens d naira, Truth, calling it subsidy is ignorant of you. Since the tech is still in Nigeria, what is d current rate of rice, for Ur lame mind goodluck subsidised rice to make it N8000 Bro wer r u from Mars![]() ...plz NLders I want to donate my eyes, Nothin left to see in 9ja |
| Re: The Sorry State Of Nigeria Under President Muhammadu Buhari by auggie340(f): 9:30pm On Feb 16, 2017 |
WithX:Thank you so much...you made a lotta sense esp. as regards insulting remarks in various comments most of d commentators on this forum are either #Istandwithbuhari crew or #Istandwithgej crew... the former would not see anything wrong wit d present administration while d latter fails to see anything commendable in dis govt....objective analysis is really lacking...once this trend continues, d politicians would keep having a field day knowing their lackeys would keep singing their praises...it's very unfortunate |
| Re: The Sorry State Of Nigeria Under President Muhammadu Buhari by raynold(m): 9:46pm On Feb 16, 2017 |
auggie340:the faster we realize this old men do not deserve our votes the better for this country.. we the youths are also to blame for the present condition of this country, all we do is seat back insult one another, while they continue to milk us dry. did you hear of the Romania incident, now that is a country were the youth know their right and also have rights. we are blinded by tribe, religion etc we have a long way to go.. a country were the minister of the countries capital must come from the North, is that one country. |
| Re: The Sorry State Of Nigeria Under President Muhammadu Buhari by donJ2(m): 9:54pm On Feb 16, 2017 |
deomelo:Facts huh?... And endeavour to answer the question now
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| Re: The Sorry State Of Nigeria Under President Muhammadu Buhari by exlinkleads(f): 9:54pm On Feb 16, 2017 |
Jesusloveyou:my friend, dont call me a kid because am probably ur elder. i think u should be the kid because u dont recognize hypothetical expression. my post simply means, if Nigeria is a normal circumstance |
| Re: The Sorry State Of Nigeria Under President Muhammadu Buhari by gentlesoul196: 9:56pm On Feb 16, 2017 |
temitemi1:temitemi1 are you back from exile? |
| Re: The Sorry State Of Nigeria Under President Muhammadu Buhari by BlackMbakara1(m): 9:57pm On Feb 16, 2017 |
donJ2:When the FX was fixed, with what did they use to do that? Was it peculiar or in generality? So you think nobody pays for the difference at the rate you had it then? Just because somebody gives you have access to free internet or you pay at a particular price, you think someone is not paying the difference and what do you call that? Promo abi? Go and learn basic Economics and English and thank me later. |
| Re: The Sorry State Of Nigeria Under President Muhammadu Buhari by auggie340(f): 10:08pm On Feb 16, 2017 |
raynold:my dear, it's really pathetic I must say...wah irks me most is when pple get so defensive(and abusive) about a politician they barely even know but think they know....we really have a long way to go mehn...we just going round in circles until we approach issues relating to governance with open minds |
| Re: The Sorry State Of Nigeria Under President Muhammadu Buhari by brookz: 10:15pm On Feb 16, 2017 |
TonyeBarcanista is a Frustrated Ignorant Igbo Bigot. U and ur goons ar d main reason for d backwardness of SS & SE because ,u deliberately refuse to positively enlighten d other children of Hate & baby factory Products hw dis govt is striving hard to redeem d lost Glories frm d 16yrs of PDP governance. in short Y DON'T JUST KILL URSLF. |
| Re: The Sorry State Of Nigeria Under President Muhammadu Buhari by GoodMuyis(m): 10:21pm On Feb 16, 2017 |
Hmmm so deep. AN EPISTLE OF WAILING TO PRESIDENT BUHARI - Written by TonyeBarcanista A U-Turn of applause and a bottle of odeku |
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. Obj didn't blame Abacha like this. Abacha left $3bn for Obj. 