Drabeey:



Im serious my brother.

I dont go to church, neither do i visit mosques often. Yet, i believe there is God

If you don't mind add me on WhatsApp. I shall prove to you and convince you that Islam is the right way. You can ask your questions on the defects you alleged.

Empiree:
So what happens to other version that says "servant Jesus"?. You can spot contradiction?

It is not a contradiction. Even Anti Christs bring their own version of the Bible. Most of the versions don't translate it well

Junia:


It is not a contradiction. Even Anti Christs bring their own version of the Bible. Most of the versions don't translate it well

Empiree:

You go fear. Lol.

Empiree:

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Please have you done this before ??
Your so called prophet commands you people to do this. Or your imam didn't tell you

Junia:


You know nothing bro
1. God is The Father, The Word and The Holy Spirit. They are one.

2. Jesus is not a servant of God

3. Jesus didn't have a beginning. He said" before Abraham was, I am" .. He existed long ago. He just took a human flesh and dwelt with us.

4. God is just a title to describe the trinity. It is not just one person

Christians are full of doubts and confusions about their religion. They have consensus on nothing.

Ask He who created you to guide u. Anybody you call other than your creator will surely abandon you when you need the help the most.

Worshipping Jesus in whatever form is manifest errors.

Auki:


Christians are full of doubts and confusions about their religion. They have consensus on nothing.

Ask He who created you to guide u. Anybody you call other than your creator will surely abandon you when you need the help the most.

Worshipping Jesus in whatever form is manifest errors.

To you bro
We worship God (The Father, The Word and The Holy)
God is a title for The Holy Trinity

Junia:


Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Please have you done this before ??
Your so called prophet commands you people to do this. Or your imam didn't tell you

Stop derailing thread and focus

Junia:

To you bro
We worship God (The Father, The Word and The Holy)
God is a title for The Holy Trinity

My Dear. Your God and My God is One absolute God. He has no partner, son, wife, and nothing is like Him.

Abraham, Noah, Jesus,Muhammad(peace be on them) all worship One God.

Roman invented inserted such pagans idea -Trinity-into Christianity. Desist for He who created all things share divinity with none of his creatures.

Jesus is a Human being but obediant servants of the lord and a messenger like other messengers.

Auki:


My Dear. Your God and My God is One absolute God. He has no partner, son, wife, and nothing is like Him.

Abraham, Noah, Jesus,Muhammad(peace be on them) all worship One God.

Roman invented inserted such pagans idea -Trinity-into Christianity. Desist for He who created all things share divinity with none of his creatures.

Jesus is a Human being but obediant servants of the lord and a messenger like other messengers.

Doesn't He become a false prophet to you people since He said He is one with The Father ??
He also said before Abraham was, He was.

So do you still consider Him as a prophet ?? If Yes, then He is a false one to you people because of His words.

Atheist here. Also I have a history background (university).

Jesus was one of several people in the early 1st century who claimed to be the Messiah--a god-sent individual who would rescue the Jews from the Romans and re-establish the kingdom of Israel. Cyrus the Persian 5 centuries earlier had liberated the Hebrews from Babylonian captivity and was honored with the title of Messiah as well.

All of the self-proclaimed Messiahs of the 1st century met violent deaths, including Jesus, before they had the chance to drive the Romans out of Judea, a difficult prospect given the awesome power of the Romans at that time period.

Jesus' disciples then had to face the reality that he was not the Messiah because he had simply been executed by the Romans without much fanfare. This resulted in cognitive dissonance: they could either admit that they had been following a faker, or reinvent the story of the Messiah. It appears that some of them chose the second option, which led to the creation of Christianity.

You see, the early Christians simply changed the interpretation of what the Messiah would do. Instead of bringing about the kingdom of Israel on earth, his kingdom was actually not of this earth, and it was actually through his death that people would enter the heavenly kingdom of Israel. So instead of Jesus' death being the sign of just another failed Messiah, his death actually became the proof for his followers that he was the Messiah. Neat how they did that, isn't it?

In order to convince pagans to accept the new religion, the early Christians had to add some miracles to Jesus' life (virgin birth, resurrection, etc), and also they had to make him vaguely god-like (Trinity), all of which was easily done in the days without video recorders.

Voila! Christianity's origins.

Rilwayne001:


But you used to go to church before?

Ive been to church, mosques aint exempted

FriendChoice:


If you don't mind add me on WhatsApp. I shall prove to you and convince you that Islam is the right way. You can ask your questions on the defects you alleged.

Bros, I've heard many sermons. Nothing has changed my belief that these people who are saying they are messiah up an down are fictional scams from the oyinbo people. I can also say im the messiah and nothing will happen. One thing i still cant fathom is my strong belief ther is God

truthmans2012:


Go to God.

Many people, including muslims who have sincerely prayed to God have seen Jesus.

Jesus said "I'm the Way, the Truth and the Life, nobody can come unto God but by me (John 14:6).

Somebody wrote that book my brother

Drabeey:
Seun, i dont really know what i believe again. I really dont believe in all this religions... I have read wide and all of them have serious defects.

great!

Yet... I do believe there is a supernatural beign overseeing everything. What can u say to me?

Two things: (1) You're a deist. (2) Could you tell me what makes you believe in that there is a supernatural being overseeing everything?

Drabeey:


Bros, I've heard many sermons. Nothing has changed my belief that these people who are saying they are messiah up an down are fictional scams from the oyinbo people. I can also say im the messiah and nothing will happen. One thing i still cant fathom is my strong belief ther is God

Ok. But I hope you give me a chance.

sapientia:


You dont believe God exists but you believe in magic...cool

Magics are tricks.

A B-grade David copperfield can perform those

onetrack:
Atheist here. Also I have a history background (university).

Jesus was one of several people in the early 1st century who claimed to be the Messiah--a god-sent individual who would rescue the Jews from the Romans and re-establish the kingdom of Israel. Cyrus the Persian 5 centuries earlier had liberated the Hebrews from Babylonian captivity and was honored with the title of Messiah as well.

All of the self-proclaimed Messiahs of the 1st century met violent deaths, including Jesus, before they had the chance to drive the Romans out of Judea, a difficult prospect given the awesome power of the Romans at that time period.

Jesus' disciples then had to face the reality that he was not the Messiah because he had simply been executed by the Romans without much fanfare. This resulted in cognitive dissonance: they could either admit that they had been following a faker, or reinvent the story of the Messiah. It appears that some of them chose the second option, which led to the creation of Christianity.

You see, the early Christians simply changed the interpretation of what the Messiah would do. Instead of bringing about the kingdom of Israel on earth, his kingdom was actually not of this earth, and it was actually through his death that people would enter the heavenly kingdom of Israel. So instead of Jesus' death being the sign of just another failed Messiah, his death actually became the proof for his followers that he was the Messiah. Neat how they did that, isn't it?

In order to convince pagans to accept the new religion, the early Christians had to add some miracles to Jesus' life (virgin birth, resurrection, etc), and also they had to make him vaguely god-like (Trinity), all of which was easily done in the days without video recorders.

Voila! Christianity's origins.

Ignorance is a mental disease indeed

onetrack:
Atheist here. Also I have a history background (university).

Jesus was one of several people in the early 1st century who claimed to be the Messiah--a god-sent individual who would rescue the Jews from the Romans and re-establish the kingdom of Israel. Cyrus the Persian 5 centuries earlier had liberated the Hebrews from Babylonian captivity and was honored with the title of Messiah as well.

All of the self-proclaimed Messiahs of the 1st century met violent deaths, including Jesus, before they had the chance to drive the Romans out of Judea, a difficult prospect given the awesome power of the Romans at that time period.

Jesus' disciples then had to face the reality that he was not the Messiah because he had simply been executed by the Romans without much fanfare. This resulted in cognitive dissonance: they could either admit that they had been following a faker, or reinvent the story of the Messiah. It appears that some of them chose the second option, which led to the creation of Christianity.

You see, the early Christians simply changed the interpretation of what the Messiah would do. Instead of bringing about the kingdom of Israel on earth, his kingdom was actually not of this earth, and it was actually through his death that people would enter the heavenly kingdom of Israel. So instead of Jesus' death being the sign of just another failed Messiah, his death actually became the proof for his followers that he was the Messiah. Neat how they did that, isn't it?

In order to convince pagans to accept the new religion, the early Christians had to add some miracles to Jesus' life (virgin birth, resurrection, etc), and also they had to make him vaguely god-like (Trinity), all of which was easily done in the days without video recorders.

Voila! Christianity's origins.

Bunkers.

Ur confabulation does not even sound meaningful in your ears.

Seun:
great!

Two things: (1) You're a deist. (2) Could you tell me what makes you believe in that there is a supernatural being overseeing everything?

Sorry to rein in on your parade,
But like many of us, if he's being deeply honest with himself....

He will tell you that there's really no "what" to it.
It's just there. And no, it has nothing to do with some religious programming back in the day.
You try to deny it and it's like you're denying your essence, your being. So more oft, you just go with the flow. Sometimes, this flow makes you appear religious, but again, between you and yourself, you know you aren't.
It's like something beyond this world, beyond the things we see and materialize keeps pulling you.

Well, the choice is yours.

*runs out*

Seun:
great!

Two things: (1) You're a deist. (2) Could you tell me what makes you believe in that there is a supernatural being overseeing everything?

Bros, all these things can't just come to be. Plus, every doctrine i have ever read about or heard points to a supernatural being, which to my own understanding is God

Seun:

What stops a common being, a regular magician, from doing those magic tricks and claiming he was able to do them because he is God's son?

Miracles are done by Prophets as a sign from God for mankind.

Magics are tricks by con men usually assisted by Jinns(Demon). Magic is lie and the deception.

Jesus(Peace be on him) is far away from being a trickster or a con man. He is one of the elect, a prophet sent by God like Moses .

felixomor:


Bunkers.

Ur confabulation does not even sound meaningful in your ears.

It's very obvious they assure themselves they are mentally sane when obviously they are seriously deluded .

KingEbukasBlog:


It's very obvious they assure themselves they are mentally sane when obviously they are seriously deluded .

Absolutely.

truthmans2012:


What a trash is this?

You aren't an authority in Hebrew, not even in Arabic. Whatever you say, the Bible calls Jesus the almighty God.

There is no lie in the Bible. Unlike the Qur'an that is full of lies. Dare me to expose quranic lies.

Alrighto

FriendChoice:
Who is god?
Jesus

Is Jesus the son of Mary?
Yes

Who created Mary?
God.

Who is God?
Jesus

Jesus is the begotten son.
Yes

Who is his father?
God.

Who is God?
Jesus.

Jesus is a servant of God?
Yes

Who is God?
Jesus.

Jesus died on the cross?
Yes

Who resurrected him?
God.

Who is God?
Jesus

Jesus is a messenger?
Yes

Who sent him?
God.

Who is God?
Jesus.

Did Jesus worship while on earth? Yes

Whom did he worship?
God.

Who is God?
Jesus.

Did God have a beginning?
No....

Then who was born on 25 DEC?Jesus.

Who is God?
Jesus.

Where's God?
In heaven

How many are there in heaven?Only one God.

Where's Jesus?
He is sitted on the right hand of his father.

Who is God?
Jesus.

Then how many are they in heaven?
Only one God

Then how many seats?
One

Where's Jesus?
Seated next to God.

Then how are they seated?
On one chair

Its only understood by those with the holy spirit.

Who is God?
Jesus.

Hahaha what a confusion. So beautiful to be a Muslim, Allah (SWT) have mercy on us all and grant us His straight path for us not to go astray

as a muslim,I will give you kudos for digging this out whether from the bible or any other source; do you know what the trinity is?I bet u don't and I don't either, Its a mystery.

Rockyrascal:
as a muslim,I will give you kudos for digging this out whether from the bible or any other source; do you know what the trinity is?I bet u don't and I don't either, Its a mystery.

To my own knowledge Trinity is 3 god in one God.


1 + 1 + 1 = 1

which is mathematically false

1 + 1 + 1 = 3

FriendChoice:



To my own knowledge Trinity is 3 god in one God.


1 + 1 + 1 = 1

which is mathematically false

1 + 1 + 1 = 3

that's to your own knowledge; I was made to understand that the trinity is GOd the father,the son and the holy spirit. As christians we are made to understand that we are in the era of the holy spirit.

FriendChoice:



To my own knowledge Trinity is 3 god in one God.


1 + 1 + 1 = 1

which is mathematically false

1 + 1 + 1 = 3

that's to your own knowledge; I was made to understand that the trinity is GOd the father,the son and the holy spirit. As christians we are made to understand that we are in the era of the holy spirit.

FriendChoice:



To my own knowledge Trinity is 3 god in one God.


1 + 1 + 1 = 1

which is mathematically false

1 + 1 + 1 = 3

that's to your own knowledge; I was made to understand that the trinity is GOd the father,the son and the holy spirit. As christians we are made to understand that we are in the era of the holy spirit.

GENESIS 1:26 "and God said, let us make man in our own image and after our likeness" am not a good practising christian though.

At this time and age someone is still asking who's Jesus? Even the person who's born deaf, dumb and blind will dear not ask that question.

But if OP had ask who's Jesus to you, I would have shut down this thread with my testimony of him. But to cut the long story short John 14:19 says

A little while longer and the world will see me no more but you will see me. Because I live, you will live also

But to you doubters, to you the unbelievers, to you the so called Christians who have not totally committed to him(the world), he's dead.

Jesus himself has introduced himself to the world and to his followers.

Rockyrascal:
that's to your own knowledge; I was made to understand that the trinity is GOd the father,the son and the holy spirit. As christians we are made to understand that we are in the era of the holy spirit.

* Thank God you said: " I was made to believe "
The word ‘trinity’ does not exist anywhere in the Bible. But it is there in the Qur’an in Chapter No. 4 Verse No. 171. it says

“ Do not say trinity, desist stop it! It is better for you."

Trinity is also there in Surah Maidah Chapter No.5,
Verse No.73, which says:

They are doing ‘ Kufr’ – They are blaspheming – those who say that Allah in 3 in one – Is a triune God.

Jesus Christ, peace be upon him, never said he was God – The concept of trinity does not exist in the Bible. ­­­­­­
* The only verse which is closest to the concept of
‘trinity’ , is the 1st Epistle of John, Chapter No.5,
Verse No.7, which says…

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the word and the holy ghost, and these 3 are one. But if you read the Revised Standard Version, revised by 32 Christian scholars, of the highest eminence, backed by 50 different co-operative denominations, they say… ‘This verse of the Bible – 1st Epistle of John, Chapter 5 Verse No.7 is an interpolation, is a concoction, is a fabrication’ – It was thrown out of the Bible.


* Jesus Christ peace be upon him, never claimed Divinity . There is not a single unequivocal statement in the complete Bible, where Jesus Christ peace be upon him says… ‘I am God’ – or where he says… ‘Worship me’ .

if you read the Bible, Jesus said: ‘My Father is greater than I. My Father is greater than all. I cast out devils with the spirit of God.

And in John 5:30 "I can of my own self do nothing – As I hear, I judge and my judgement is just, for I seek not my own will, but the will of my Father.’

Anyone who says… ‘Not my will but God’s will’ – he is a Muslim. Muslim means the person who submits his’ will to almighty God.

Jesus Christ peace be upon him said…‘Not my will but God’s will.’ He was a Muslim – and he was Alhamdulillah, one of the mightiest messengers of God. We believe. But he is not God, and he is not a part of the trinity.

GENESIS 1:26 "and God said, let us make man in our own image and after our likeness" am not a good practising christian though.

This only mean let's create man and put a spirit or soul in him to survive. Even the Bible says God have no image and there is nothing like HIM.


"Thou shalt have none other gods before [
me."

"Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that in the earth beneath, or that is in the water beneath the earth."

"Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them; for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God." [The Bible, Deuteronomy 5:7-9]



And there is difference between a man and God.

Luke 24:36 He says that: ‘Behold my hands and feet Handle me and see, for a spirit has no flesh and bones.’

John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

FriendChoice:


* Thank God you said: " I was made to believe "
The word ‘trinity’ does not exist anywhere in the Bible. But it is there in the Qur’an in Chapter No. 4 Verse No. 171. it says

“ Do not say trinity, desist stop it! It is better for you."

Trinity is also there in Surah Maidah Chapter No.5,
Verse No.73, which says:

They are doing ‘ Kufr’ – They are blaspheming – those who say that Allah in 3 in one – Is a triune God.

Jesus Christ, peace be upon him, never said he was God – The concept of trinity does not exist in the Bible. ­­­­­­
* The only verse which is closest to the concept of
‘trinity’ , is the 1st Epistle of John, Chapter No.5,
Verse No.7, which says…

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the word and the holy ghost, and these 3 are one. But if you read the Revised Standard Version, revised by 32 Christian scholars, of the highest eminence, backed by 50 different co-operative denominations, they say… ‘This verse of the Bible – 1st Epistle of John, Chapter 5 Verse No.7 is an interpolation, is a concoction, is a fabrication’ – It was thrown out of the Bible.


* Jesus Christ peace be upon him, never claimed Divinity . There is not a single unequivocal statement in the complete Bible, where Jesus Christ peace be upon him says… ‘I am God’ – or where he says… ‘Worship me’ .

if you read the Bible, Jesus said: ‘My Father is greater than I. My Father is greater than all. I cast out devils with the spirit of God.

And in John 5:30 "I can of my own self do nothing – As I hear, I judge and my judgement is just, for I seek not my own will, but the will of my Father.’

Anyone who says… ‘Not my will but God’s will’ – he is a Muslim. Muslim means the person who submits his’ will to almighty God.

Jesus Christ peace be upon him said…‘Not my will but God’s will.’ He was a Muslim – and he was Alhamdulillah, one of the mightiest messengers of God. We believe. But he is not God, and he is not a part of the trinity.




This only mean let's create man and put a spirit or soul in him to survive. Even the Bible says God have no image and there is nothing like HIM.


"Thou shalt have none other gods before [
me."

"Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that in the earth beneath, or that is in the water beneath the earth."

"Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them; for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God." [The Bible, Deuteronomy 5:7-9]



And there is difference between a man and God.

Luke 24:36 He says that: ‘Behold my hands and feet Handle me and see, for a spirit has no flesh and bones.’

John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Bros, kindly open a thread on this so that it will be easier to do a rejoinder thread.

FriendChoice:


If you don't mind add me on WhatsApp. I shall prove to you and convince you that Islam is the right way. You can ask your questions on the defects you alleged.

Is it hard for you to do that here?