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[quote author=akintom post=54160009][/quote]Sir I believe its a privilege see you comment on our post, even when they are annoying, I believe I got what I wanted, and thanks for that, the testimony you spoke about in my own life does not in anyway support any of the belief you are standing with, probably, I dont understand which side you are on, but I think those testimony might give you a bit of a doubt that there is God.

Well, what I think is, there was a particular time in my life that I was so much prayerful, I have made some mistakes, but I still held on, at a time, I said, I'm no longer interested, but there was a man of Gods tape-Revd Goke Ogunleye, I loved his teachings, and I knew he was the only one who could get me out of the mud I was in. I got to his church and heard him preach on the mercy of God, how God would not count our sin against us, 2corin 5:18, and has committed unto us the ministry of reconciliation, to with that God was in Christ, reconciling the world to Himself.

I also heard about those who judge, and he said, those who judge are actually trying to cover something up, he gave the illustration of Jesus and the woman who was caught in adultery, how that despite her weakness, those who were stoning actually had some skeleton in their cupboard. John 8

he also preached on the story of how Judah wanted Tamah stoned to death, the same Tamah that played the harlot and took the leadership staff of Judah, but when she was about being stoned, Tamah brought out the staff and showed it to those around, and Judah said, of a truth she is more righteous than I, and for the first time in a long time, my hope fired up. Gen 38

I believe you gat in you a little hope for the dying atheist who are fed with all sort of lies, human reasoning that would not make them see the truth. Paul said, I was a injurious, a blasphamier, but God counted me faithful, putting into mystery. We are all product of His grace and mercy, because we are members of His flesh, of His body, and of His bone.

Thanks for your time, sir.

GodsMopol:
Sir I believe its a privilege see you comment on our post, even when they are annoying, I believe I got what I wanted, and thanks for that, the testimony you spoke about in my own life does not in anyway support any of the belief you are standing with, probably, I dont understand which side you are on, but I think those testimony might give you a bit of a doubt that there is God.

Well, what I think is, there was a particular time in my life that I was so much prayerful, I have made some mistakes, but I still held on, at a time, I said, I'm no longer interested, but there was a man of Gods tape-Revd Goke Ogunleye, I loved his teachings, and I knew he was the only one who could get me out of the mud I was in. I got to his church and heard him preach on the mercy of God, how God would not count our sin against us, 2corin 5:18, and has committed unto us the ministry of reconciliation, to with that God was in Christ, reconciling the world to Himself.

I also heard about those who judge, and he said, those who judge are actually trying to cover something up, he gave the illustration of Jesus and the woman who was caught in adultery, how that despite her weakness, those who were stoning actually had some skeleton in their cupboard. John 8

he also preached on the story of how Judah wanted Tamah stoned to death, the same Tamah that played the harlot and took the leadership staff of Judah, but when she was about being stoned, Tamah brought out the staff and showed it to those around, and Judah said, of a truth she is more righteous than I, and for the first time in a long time, my hope fired up. Gen 38

I believe you gat in you a little hope for the dying atheist who are fed with all sort of lies, human reasoning that would not make them see the truth. Paul said, I was a injurious, a blasphamier, but God counted me faithful, putting into mystery. We are all product of His grace and mercy, because we are members of His flesh, of His body, and of His bone.

Thanks for your time, sir.

Have you ever heard anything about the "gift or spirit of discernment" ?

If yes, do you have it?

akintom:
Have you ever heard anything about the "gift or spirit of discernment" ?

If yes, do you have it?

Sir, with smiles on my face, I would say yes, but with a wrinkled face, I would say, I really don't know when I operate in it.

CatfishBilly:
So, just by asking questions, automatically, I don't believe in him? Is asking questions banned in your religion?

hello Sir... permit me to ask.... what's your faith/belief?.

GodsMopol:
Lemme first start by saying, sometime ago, I ran into a muslim Lady who came to pass the night in our house, and I never knew she was a muslim, she sings all our Christian song, but I was shocked to later know she was a Christian. She went to a school where you must attend the church and the mosque, I think she started seeing somethings better explained in the muslim path that she was not really clear about in the Christian line.

I believe many Christians sit in church everyday without knowing for a bit the reason they were there, and we see it as a pain when we are told to attend weekly services, whereas, the muslim parents would force their children to attend seminars and teaching classes everyday, to know the quran, but the Christian aspect, we want our children back home. Among the atheist, they are majorly Christians who does not understand and were never willing to understand, the Bible said, if the foundation be destroyed, what shall the righteous do.

I would just be proving points to you, and it won't make any sense to you, because you had a bad foundation. A foundation I believe God is working on, I so much believe on that, as per your questions, it still boils down to foundation. If you have been thought and you committed yourself to knowing the Bible at your tender age, you won't be swept easily with the wind of doctrine all over the place, you would stand your ground, so I think I would just back out, because if I say anything, it sure would fall on deaf ears.

Here is what Paul said about Timothy

2 Timothy 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

From a child, bye

You mean I wasn't properly indoctrinated? Oh yes I was. It just takes a whole lot of will power to break off it. I actually expected you to try and refute my points, but?

Next time bro, try something better than 'no true scottsman,' it is stale. The funny thing is, adherents of other religions will most probably say the same in the defence of their faith too. My foundation was as strong as it could be but as you rightly noted, Christianity itself has a very weak foundation.

All it takes is for you to practice it with open-mindedness and actually use your brain, na dere wahala dey start. And I remember myself using exactly those words whenever I heard that people actually converted from Christianity to other religions, that is how sure I was.

Bros, make we leave mata for Mathias, it takes a brave man to actually consider the possibility that his religion may not be the right one, or the determination to study others with the same objectivity he would like others to study his (religion) own.

P.S.
Your god must really have a warped sense of priority to waste his time mending my foundation. Statistically, a child dies every four second around the world as a result of war, hunger or some form of disease. These seem like things your 'powerful and omnipotent' god should focus his attention on, not my supposedly bad foundation. Oh, I forgot, he is only powerful when it comes to mundane things like giving you a job, healing you from headache and all Whatnots. No vex me dis morning abeg.

Wilgrea7:
hello Sir... permit me to ask.... what's your faith/belief?.

Are your answers restricted to people of a particular faith?

Wilgrea7:
hello Sir... permit me to ask.... what's your faith/belief?.

I was a Christian growing up, I read the Quran in secondary school. I hung out with Hinduist in my university days, even attending a religious meeting with them.
I believe in God, but not in the religious sense. Let's say I'm more agnostic than atheist or Agnostic Atheist like one of my friends call me.

CatfishBilly:
I was a Christian growing up, I read the Quran in secondary school. I hung out with Hinduist in my university days, even attending a religious meeting with them.
I believe in God, but not in the religious sense. Let's say I'm more agnostic than atheist or Agnostic Atheist like one of my friend's call me.

you seem more like a deist than an agnostic... although i find your relations with other faiths cool

CatfishBilly:
I was a Christian growing up, I read the Quran in secondary school. I hung out with Hinduist in my university days, even attending a religious meeting with them.
I believe in God, but not in the religious sense. Let's say I'm more agnostic than atheist or Agnostic Atheist like one of my friend's call me.

I've always considered that path, but what I ask myself is this; would I consider deism if I didn't have a religious background? I think it is better to seek for answers on a clean slate, this is because a preconceived notion or belief that there is a god, albeit an unreligious one, will most likely render our findings concerning the origin of life and the universe subject to bias and subjectivity.

I am atheist, until I am fully and undoubtedly convinced to become otherwise.

avaa:
Are your answers restricted to people of a particular faith?

no.. my responses are based on either the motive of the person, the level of knowledge and wisdom of the person or the audience of the person or a combination of all.. that's why i hardly answer atheists.. i could refute their arguments but they argue with the aim of ridiculing Christianity.. so arguing is pointless.. i prefer discussing with people who are more open minded

avaa:
I've always considered that path, but what I ask myself is this; would I consider deism if I didn't have a religious background? I think it is better to seek for answers on a clean slate, this is because a preconceived notion or belief that there is a god, albeit an unreligious one, will most likely render our findings concerning the origin of life and the universe subject to bias and subjectivity.

I am atheist, until I am fully and undoubtedly convinced to become otherwise.

My belief in God is hinged on only one factor.
The human body. It is too magnificent to have come about by accident. My religious background may have led me to attribute that to a God, no disputing that. That's the one question I need answers to. I've gotten answers to my other questions.

Wilgrea7:
no.. my responses are based on either the motive of the person, the level of knowledge and wisdom of the person or the audience of the person or a combination of all.. that's why i hardly answer atheists.. i could refute their arguments but they argue with the aim of ridiculing Christianity.. so arguing is pointless.. i prefer discussing with people who are more open minded

It is hard to discuss with theists without becoming argumentative about it. Mostly because they start assuming they know everything about you and the reason why you left the faith. Only few are capable of concentrating on the topic of discussion. The rest just sign off promising to pray for you, methinks they should channel their prayer to more important things.

If you consider pointing out the obvious flaws of Christianity 'ridiculing,' then I guess I am guilty as charged.

GodsMopol:
Sir, with smiles on my face, I would say yes, but with a wrinkled face, I would say, I really don't know when I operate in it.

If you have, then you ought to have discern that am an atheist.

Or the Holy Spirit doesn't know that atheists exist.

CatfishBilly:
My belief in God is hinged on only one factor.
The human body. It is too magnificent to have come about by accident. My religious background may have led me to attribute that to a God, no disputing that. That's the one question I need answers to. I've gotten answers to my other questions.

There are so many questions, yet little or no answers. Yours is just one of them. Yours is an intelligent deduction, but the problem is that it is merely a speculation, or at best an assumption, and students of science know how dangerous those can be. Like many atheists will posit, if the complexity of the human body and nature in general is the reason why they need a god, then how did that god come about? Complex as he/she/it is. And we could always explain the universe with that same assertion. if god could exist without a creator, then why can't the universe come about without a creator? Remember, these are all just assumptions.

akintom:
If you have, then you ought to have discern that am an atheist.

Or the Holy Spirit doesn't know that atheists exist.

I don't think it does. Poor holy spirit. I think we have enough evidence in the last year to conclude that the holy spirit doesn't see farther than science can.

Wilgrea7:
you seem more like a deist than an agnostic... although i find your relations with other faiths cool

I try to keep an open mind. You don't have any idea the things I've learnt just by keeping an open mind.

akintom:
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This decision was informed by honest and intelligent reading of many books and viewing videos (majorly neuroscientific and biopsychology).

Could you share your must reads on these subjects

TheEminentLaity:
Could you share your must reads on these subjects

If you just check those books out, you will find what i read in them out by yourself.

They are written in plain English (as against the Bible, that you folks claimed can't be understood in its written language).

akintom:
If you just check those books out, you will find what i read in them out by yourself.

Which books? I asked for you to be specific.

They are written in plain English (as against the Bible, that you folks claimed can't be understood in its written language).

when did I become your antagonist

TheEminentLaity:
Which books? I asked for you to be specific. ?

* behavioral neuroscience
* psychoanalysing God
* the biology of beliefs
* fundamentals of human beliefs system

Just a few....