Henry240:


The LY-80 is one of such better systems available.


"So you're still grasping at straws?"..... How most unfortunate.

Why is it better? Firstly they completely different guidiance systems and diffrent rang bracket. The umkhonto is short range wher the LY80 is meduime range.


The LY80 is all so guided tgrough a illumination radar method where the umkontho is IR, Radar or Dual.


Comparing these sytems is like comparing a stinger to a patriot. They fill diffrent roles in a air defence network.

Henry240:


Better systems available in the market =\= Inferior.

The South-African fellow said Chinese systems are unreliable, I simply asked how do we know the South-African system isn't unreliable?

I said "probably unreliable" as a possibility guess... Then you proceed in stating that they're "better" as a surety statement.

Now if a statement has to be proven, it's yours.

But anyways I have a username "ActiveKruger", the "South-African" is not it.

I trust these 2 accounts of trying to establish what happened in Kulbiyow far more than the propaganda from both the KDF and the kebabs.

https://www.africandefence.net/analysis-of-competing-claims-about-the-january-2017-al-shabaab-attack-on-the-kdf-base-at-kulbiyow/

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/africa/2017/03/21/happened-kulbiyow-somalia-open-source-investigation/

Already the official narrative is breaking down! It seems the attacker is still in jail.

The man initially named as the attacker who mowed down pedestrians and stabbed a police officer outside Parliament is in fact still in prison for an unrelated matter, his brother has said.

The brother of Abu Izzadeen, formerly known as Trevor Brooks, called into Channel 4 News to say he could not be the attacker, after he had been named earlier in the broadcast.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/abu-izzadeen-brother-mistaken-london-attacker-alive-still-in-prison-a7644661.html

These days the story collapses as soon as it hits the press since the media or rather their agents no longer stick to the script as mandated by their Masters. Look back at the Boston bombing,Paris attacks or the Nice truck murders-one hard glance and it falls apaRT.

frumentius:
I trust these 2 accounts of trying to establish what happened in Kulbiyow far more than the propaganda from both the KDF and the kebabs.

https://www.africandefence.net/analysis-of-competing-claims-about-the-january-2017-al-shabaab-attack-on-the-kdf-base-at-kulbiyow/

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/africa/2017/03/21/happened-kulbiyow-somalia-open-source-investigation/

Interesting. Final KDF KIA Kolbio was at least 23 max 30. A navy buddy of mine knew the entire unit. El Adde was nearly a complete disaster. Only an overwatching section outside the camp escaped unscathed and total KIA were 120. Btw,the AS attack videos didn't show their own KIA which were at least 200 despite the poorly coordinated fire after the TOC and mortars were wrecked in the massive explosion. The worst thing is the coy commander had been specifically warned about a VBIED attack. The section saw the MRAP approach around 4am and actually called it in. These things happen from overconfidence of victory and occur in every army that forgets 24/7 tactical awareness.
Ask the 2/7th who sleepwalked into an ambush at LZ Albany and took 150 KIA just after winning the hardfought battle of LZ Xray in the Ia Drang. More recently the Russians lost an entire airborne coy at Ulus Kert in 2000. Having won the 2nd Chechen war they understandably underestimated the for and paid the price.

Nothing expressed the depth of Russian-Chechen animosity more than the battle cries hurled back and forth across the firing lines during the siege of Groznyy. To the Chechen shouts of “Allah Akhbar!” the Russians would respond, “Christ is Risen!”

http://thesaker.is/ulus-kert-an-airborne-companys-last-stand/
In every human organisation there is occasional laxity;armies pay the highest price. The most painful thing is the El Adde coy commander was a much feared instructor at AFTC in Eldoret who would collectively crucify the officer cadets for infractions. Perhaps that rigid inflexibility led him to ignore intel and advice from his own guys who implored him not to allow the MRAP into their perimeter? Who knows?
Hindsight is always 20/20.

Henry240:


Better systems available in the market =\= Inferior.

The mental gymnastics involved in this... you planning on trying out for Tokyo 2020?

frumentius:
I trust these 2 accounts of trying to establish what happened in Kulbiyow far more than the propaganda from both the KDF and the kebabs.

https://www.africandefence.net/analysis-of-competing-claims-about-the-january-2017-al-shabaab-attack-on-the-kdf-base-at-kulbiyow/

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/africa/2017/03/21/happened-kulbiyow-somalia-open-source-investigation/

Jeez, the imagry from the first source paints a horrible picture.

Russian navy ship docked in Cape Town

The word #Obangame comes from Fang language of Cameroon/Central Africa meaning “togetherness”

frumentius:


Just for accuracy, and so others can judge for themselves the genesis of the thing, as well as who the honest interlocutor is.

PICS: who said what and when they said it

its not unimaginable to assume the chinese have better version. now you saying its "probably unreliable" is what actually fueled this cr*p. OWN IT and move on. you guys are making this tread boring with your usual banters.

jakeporeshenko:
Russian navy ship docked in Cape Town

:oThat is one crazy firepower.

jakeporeshenko:
Russian navy ship docked in Cape Town

You left this

tdayof:


You left this

You beat me to it! When I mentioned they were coming, ActivateKruger asked me last week what they were doing here.

chike00:


its not unimaginable to assume the chinese have better version. now you saying its "probably unreliable" is what actually fueled this cr*p. OWN IT and move on. you guys are making this tread boring with your usual banters.

Hmmm, let me try and follow your logic:

I post that SA has applied to the UNSC to sell Umkhonto to Iran. People respond in all manner of serious and jocular posts. This convivial atmosphere is polluted by Henry's "Oh the Chinese have better". I see a bald assertion there and not much assumption.
And naturally, those are challenged around here.

A palliative for you: post photos, ignore our discussions and you'll be as good as rain.

kikuyu1:


Ahh yes,your typical bearded Salafist. Seriously,when will you guys ever recognise a FALSE FLAG ESPECIALLY NOW WHEN AFP IS REVIVING SHEKAU FOR THE 5TH OR 6TH TIME??! Fyi,this is exactly a year after Brussels.
Always,ALWAYS,ALWAYS,ALWAYS,LOOK AT THE DATES,PEOPLE!! The Paris attacks took place on Friday 13th,the Garissa massacre on the Jewish feast of Purim when they traditionally murder non Jews,goyim (the real reason they have problems with people),the Russian charter jet shootdown on Halloween.



http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/cienciareal/cienciareal20.htm

This isht is very very real. The invisible rulers are fighting back the only way they know how having lost immense power and influence with the rise of BRICS and what now appears to be the escape of the US from their clutches. These traumatic events on certain dates are meant access specific negative energies emanating from planetary alignments.

I am not really understanding your post, are you suggesting this was some kind of planned event or a conspiracy ?

jakeporeshenko:

I am not really understanding your post, are you suggesting this was some kind of planned event or a conspiracy ?

Umm,yes. Thats the meaning of a false flag.

ActivateKruger:


Mmmh, first I don't know who you're.. You probably have been here for just 1 month.... Stick around for a few more months then I might respond to you.

Actually I've been on here for years, i had to open an account just to let you guys know that this bickering and childish stuff is uncalled for.
I do not need your response either, enjoy your day chief.

jakeporeshenko:

I am not really understanding your post, are you suggesting this was some kind of planned event or a conspiracy ?

Everything with kikuyu1 is a conspiracy theory... If I decided to downtown with an automatic rifle and opened random fire, kikuyu1 would suggest the Israelis sent me to do it

NAF MI-17 supporting ground troops

Sizzorkay:

Actually I've been on here for years, i had to open an account just to let you guys know that this bickering and childish stuff is uncalled for.
I do not need your response either, enjoy your day chief.

You know, your first post ever was to quote me on the dune buggy. I didn't answer you because it was kind emotional on your side so I assumed you were it's chief Designer.


However I have since noticed that you want some special attention from me, 3 of your 6 posts are quoting me... WTF dude grow up.

jakeporeshenko:
NAF MI-17 supporting ground troops

How many of those do you operate?

ActivateKruger:


Everything with kikuyu1 is a conspiracy theory... If I decided to downtown with an automatic rifle and opened random fire, kikuyu1 would suggest the Israelis sent me to do it

conspiracies can be fun to discuss, alternative storylines and all of that but don't loose touch with reality Kikuyu1.

What's in this picture ?

ActivateKruger:


How many of those do you operate?

Not enough, by spotting tail numbers so far I've counted 2-3. I'll say we need a minimum of 15, NAF also needs to revive the remaining super pumas in storage.

ActivateKruger:


Everything with kikuyu1 is a conspiracy theory... If I decided to downtown with an automatic rifle and opened random fire, kikuyu1 would suggest the Israelis sent me to do it

HAHAHAA!1 My dude this world isn't the way it seems. Not at all. I'm on my phone right now but will only say this-don't assume anything;check all facts and figures and the narrative itself. Very very rarely does it ever hold up. Btw,I only gave facts on this latest false flag. Why would the attackers own bro swear hes still in jail?
You read the link? When I have time I'll give you a special 'conspiracy theory' just for you involving surprising S African players. As always there'll be links and sources.

ActivateKruger:



I said "probably unreliable" as a possibility guess... Then you proceed in stating that they're "better" as a surety statement.

Now if a statement has to be proven, it's yours.

But anyways I have a username "ActiveKruger", the "South-African" is not it.

Yes, and i said, they are better, as a proven fact. The HQ-9, LY-08, HQ-16 are all better Air Defence Systems than the South-African system.

I did not mince words.

Are you not now a South-African? ...... How is this not an apt description of you?

ActivateKruger:



You know, your first post ever was to quote me on the dune buggy. I didn't answer you because it was kind emotional on your side so I assumed you were it's chief Designer.


However I have since noticed that you want some special attention from me, 3 of your 6 posts are quoting me... WTF dude grow up.

Don't feel special just yet, i never looked at names of people that post whatever, i simply reply to it if i thought it was out of place, so no, i wasn't targeting you in any way, shape or form, until now i didn't even know what your username was. So no, wasn't after ya.
I was simply saying calling something others find important a go-cart can be seen as insulting, which in turn generate arguments.
And commenting on Nairaland isn't about seniority, so you insinuating that I'm new here is another miss. Been here way before i was on beegeagle
All I'm saying is, this whole thing btw south Africans and Nigerians should quiet down, so not hating on you and won't start an argument either, telling me to grow up was out of line, such comments is what start arguments, now you know who needs to grow up. Once again, enjoy your day chief.

These lovely AML-90 Lynxes were recently modernised by a French company for an unknown client.

Not sure if the blue is the final coat of paint or just a primer. It would seem to indicate gendarmerie as opposed to armed forces vehicles.

Cannot recognise the licence plate, unfortunately. End user could be Morocco or Tunisia.

Exercise Obangame

Benin republic sailors

Henry240:
Exercise Obangame

Benin republic sailors

I wonder when they are going to post pictures of the Namibian marines taking part

Cameroun navy

Henry240:


Yes, and i said, they are better, as a proven fact. The HQ-9, LY-08, HQ-16 are all better Air Defence Systems than the South-African system.

I did not mince words.

Are you not now a South-African? ...... How is this not an apt description of you?

Rubbish, where have they been proven? Were they tested against Umkhonto?

In your own words "you're pulling things out of your arse".

gottfried21:

I wonder when they are going to post pictures of the Namibian marines taking part

Unfortunately Namibia doesn't participate.