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Ubenedictus:
Are u sure ''EVERYTHING'' in the bible is a lie? or are u exagerating.

hahn:
Enlighten me, name one story in the bible that actually happened

Ubenedictus:
Did u try d one on d death of Jesus?

hahn:
Jesus never existed. The story is a Roman construct
Next

Ubenedictus:
Now i know u are joking.

Ubenedictus:
Now i know u are joking.

Ubenedictus:
Not really.

Ubenedictus:
Now i know u are joking.

LordCenturion:
@ hahn Hahn, unfortunately Jesus(Yeoshua) was alive during the time of Abraham, Solomon, David, Adam and others,he played tricks on those people I mentioned above especially Abraham, Faulkin (Yeoshua) is a disaster to entire earth ,although, he later died and was reincarnated as Zeazeus (Jesus)...
His 2nd coming as Jesus(Yeoshua) is a problem to humanity ,Jesus is a terrorist and master of trickster, human beings love to worship terrorists(or tricksters) because we see them as more powerful,,his 3rd and last coming to earth as Muhammid is a threat to humanity he killed many people, but he tried to repent before his master killed him..
U know what, u can check everything about Faulkin here if u have never read it before
https://www.nairaland.com/2938907/doctrine-ufos

As for what Solomon said up there "Wisdom of Solomon" I think (Otem) Otemanuduno can help us here

oyejideogunjumo:
Then what? If u have ur reasons state them.
Remember to whom much is given much is expected .The 66 we have in the Protestant Bible becomes difficult to obey not to talk of 80 books or more.
State the reasons and let us examine them.

Ubenedictus:
I already stated them, did u miss d post. it was martin luther who propose that the books should be deleted from d bible abt 1000yrs after they were canonised, he gave 2 main reasons.
1. he disagreed with what they taught.
2. some jews didnt recognise d books.

Ubenedictus:
In those verse solomon doesnt apear to be wicked instead he is telling us how the wicked think.
v1 And this is the false argument they use, 'Our life is short and dreary, there is no remedy when our end comes, no one is known to have
come back from Hades.

IN VERSE 1 he begins by telling us d way d wicked justify their sins
SEE HOW HE CONCLUDES THE CHAPTER

21 This is the way they reason, but they are misled, since their malice makes them blind. 22 They do not know the hidden things of God, they do not hope for the reward of holiness, they do not believe in a reward for blameless souls. 23 For God created human beings to be immortal, he made them as an image of his own nature; 24 Death came into the world only through the Devil's envy, as those who belong to him find
to their cost. www.catholic.org/bible/book.php?bible_chapter=2&id=27

EvangelistNdudi:
please my friend, what is the name of this"Catholic Bible" i will need to get one
and can i buy it any where or there is a specific place to get it?

thanks

NoWorries7:
Your question should have been: Why did the Catholic Church, add 14 books to the Bible?

oyejideogunjumo:
I know the issue of Martin Luther that led to the breaking away to found Anglican Church around 1492 or so.He proposed that Pope was a human being and shouldn't be confessed to.The righteous shall live by faith.
But how he influenced the removal of the books I may not answer now bt I know some books that were not part of the bible at the beginning were kept bt Roman Catholic and The Church of latter day saints founded by Branham born in 1830& died in 1863.
It boils down to the same thing,Authorship&purpose of writing/_teaching. Am a Pastor I believe in the Divinity of the Bible&will never change my stand on it.
D bible is inspired word of God.

Temidayo9:
Hnmmm. The ones wey remains, we never follow and obey them finish, you dey ask why dem remove some

analice107:
My dear, i have the Bible with those books, they hardly relate with other Bible books. Judith for instance, stands alone and even contradicts some books like Jeremiah Daniel and Nehemiah.

The Cities mentioned there never existed outside that book, the names mentioned there, History doesn't know them, unlike those in Jeremiah, Daniel and Nehemiah

Ubenedictus:
this happens to people who treat the bible like a history book... the Bible is not a history book and it does contradict itself sometimes, the bible isn't a book for archeology, history, or even geographical fact... it may contain such as accidentals but the Bible isn't primarily a history book or an archeological book or geography book it is a covenant book and it details the relationship between God and his people in whatever genre the writer is inspired to use.


now with that information maybe you can now go back and read Judith and see in it the expression of faith in God who saves mightily even through human instruments.

johnydon22:
In other words the bible is more theological than historical

Ubenedictus:
Amen

hahn:
The Vatican church, or the Roman Catholic church, has a long history of corruption and deception.

Why Did The Vatican Remove 14 Books From The Bible in 1684?
John Peterson | March 8, 2017 | World
The Vatican church, or the Roman Catholic church, has a long history of corruption and deception.



In the year 1611 the Bible was translated from Latin into English. Back then the Bible contained a total of 80 books and the last 14 books, which today have been excluded, made up the end of the Old Testament and were as follows:

1 Esdras
2 Esdras
Tobit
Judith
The rest of Esther
The Wisdom of Solomon
Ecclesiasticus
Baruch with the epistle Jeremiah
The Songs of the 3 Holy children
The history of Susana
bel and the dragon
The prayer for Manasses
1 Maccabees
2 Maccabees

In 1684 all of these books were removed from all versions except for a 1611 edition, which was the very first edition translated into English.

In this first edition you will also actually find that Jesus’ name is spelled IESUS and pronounced Yahashua. So why then does everyone continue to call him Jesus, when the letter J did not even being used at the time?

One of these books that is particularly interesting, is the “Wisdom of Solomon”. For those who don’t know Solomon is one of the most legendary characters from the Bible. He was the son of David and is alleged to be the wisest man that has ever lived. He is painted largely as a benevolent figure. But what you read in this book will make you question everything you were told to believe about him.

Observe the following excerpt;

[b]Wisdom of Solomon 2:1-24

1 For the ungodly said reasoning with them selves, but not aright, our life is short and tedious and in death of a man there is no remedy: neither was there any man known to have returned from the grave.

2 For we are born at all adventure: and we shall be hereafter as though we had never been: for the breath of our nostrils is as smoke, and the little spark in the moving of our heart

3 Which being extinguished, our body shall be turned into ashes, and our spirit shall vanish as the soft air,

4 And our name shall be forgotten in time, and no man shall have our works in remembrance, and our life shall pass away as the trace of a cloud, and shall be dispersed as a mist, that is driven away, with the beams of the sun, and overcome with the heat thereof.

5 For our time is very shadow that passeth away; and after our end there is no returning: for it is fast sealed, so that no man cometh again.

6 Come on there for let us enjoy the good things that are present: and let us speedily use the creatures like as in youth.

7 Let us fill ourselves with costly wine and ointments: and let no flower of the Spring pass by us.

8 Let us crown ourselves with rosebuds, before they be withered:

9 Let none of us go without his part of our voluptuousness: let us leave tokens of our joyfulness in every place: for this is our portion and our lot is this.

10 Let us oppress the poor righteous man, let us not spare the widow, nor reverence the ancient gray hairs of the aged.

11 Let our strength be the law of justice: for that which is feeble is found to be nothing worth.

12 Therefore let us lie in wait for the righteous; because HE is not of our turn, and HE is clean contrary to our doings. He upbraideth us with our offending of the law, and ojecteth to our infamy the transgression of our education.

13 HE professeth to have the knowledge of the MOST HIGH, and calleth HIS self the child of the LORD.

14 HE was made to reprove our thoughts

15 HE is grievous unto us even to behold, for HIS life is not like other men’s, HIS ways are of another fashion.

16 We are esteemed of HIM as counterfeits: HE abstaineth from our ways as from filthiness: HE pronounceth the end of the just to be blessed, and maketh HIS boast that GOD is HIS father.

17 Let us see if HIS words be true: and let us prove what shall happen in the end of HIM.

18 For if the just man be the Son of THE MOST HIGH, HE will help HIM and deliver HIM from the hands of HIS enemies.

19 Let us examine HIM with despitefulness and torture, that we may know HIS meekness and prove HIS patience.

20
Let us condemn HIM with a shameful death: for by HIS own mouth HE shall be respected…. [/b]

This raises a number of important questions

Who is Solomon speaking of killing with a “shameful death”?
Why did the Vatican vote to have these 14 books removed from the Bible?
Why did Solomon sound so crazy and evil in this book?
It seems that Solomon was speaking of Jesus. But Jesus was born roughly 900 years after his death. Could he have prophesied Jesus’ coming? Let’s consider why this could be who Solomon was talking about;

They killed the SON with a shameful death
The SON’s actions or fashions were different from everyone else’s
HE claims to be and IS the child of The MOST HIGH
He was a righteous poor man who would look at Solomon and others like him as “counterfeits”.
HE professeth to have knowledge of The MOST HIGH
Then listen to what Solomon has to say:

HE was made to reprove (criticize) our thoughts
We are esteemed of HIM as counterfeits: HE abstaineth from our ways as from filthiness: HE pronounceth the end of the just to be blessed, and maketh HIS boast that GOD is HIS father
For if the just man be the Son of THE MOST HIGH, HE will help HIM and deliver HIM from the hands of HIS enemies.
And one last thing I would like to point out is when Solomon says;

Let us oppress the poor righteous man, let us not spare the widow, nor reverence the ancient gray hairs of the aged.
This really disrupts everything we thought we knew. Solomon really and truly sounds evil. He is also alleged to be the wisest man in history.

Whatever is really going on here, we should certainly research it further.

source: http://ariseuniverse.com

PS: I got this article from http://reflectionofmind.org/vatican-remove-14-books-bible-1684-2/

ps3o:
If you take a thorough look at it, you would come to know that a period came in the life of King Solomon that made him regret some of his actions. All these were found in the book of ecclesiastics.
From my own view, the height of Solomon's wisdom grew to the point he became oppressive and suppressive.

ps3o:
➜Solomon’s experience is a powerful example of how natural wisdom, when overly rationalized or absolutized, can become oppressive:
• It can suppress spontaneity, joy, and hope.
• It can imprison the mind in endless questioning without peace.
• It can alienate a person from the simple, grounded pleasures of life.
➜ His Final Realization Despite all, Solomon concludes: "Fear God and keep His commandments, for this is the whole duty of man." (Ecclesiastes 12:13) This isn't blind submission but a humble recognition that wisdom alone cannot save or satisfy. Without reverence and a sense of mystery, even the deepest wisdom can turn cold and crushing.

Kobojunkieee:
This is your conclusion, no sense at all. Why would you expect this, you consider natural wisdom to result in any of that which you post? 😏

2. I am sorry, what? Was it not the same God of Israel who gave this Wisdom you refer to to Solomon? Are you insinuating YHWH gave Solomon that which could not be rationalized or absolutized? 😏😏

ps3o:
➜If you read with the intent to understand, you won't comment in a shallow way. Read your Bible well. ➜Was Samson not given power of strength? Was David the king not anointed? Did that exempt him from gratifying selfish desires? Natural or Heavenly? The moment you make your gift control or better satisfy your selfish reasons, you would end up regretting.
➜ Have you at anytime taken time to study the book of Ecclesiastics? Your comment showed that you hadn't been studying.
➜ Next time before you comment, do your research well before open your mouth anyhow. This is just 2 kobo advice you might decide not to take... that's your palava