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I hate when people compare the bible version to the Koran. When the bible says a women should cover her head when she is praying or prophesying differs from what the Koran says. For Muslims it is about covering up for modesty sakes and only their husband should see their beauty. For Christains when praying, it is about honor. Cna you read the bible verse again and see for yourself. It's two different concept. Christains don't cover their head 24/7 like Muslims because it is not required. It is only require when you are PRAYING OR PROPHESYING and a lot of Christains do that when they go to church or in their house by wearing hat, cap, scarf, it doesn't matter. Islam require women to cover their head, body in front of other men which is why they wear their hijab outside.

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Why does Islam exists? I guess you need a alternative.

When personally challenged with some rules, i went into a personal search and prayer. In as much as i have personal opinions, i will mainly base my answer to this topic based on scriptures that i believed the holyspirit have used to answer my questions:

Acts 15:24-29

Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth.For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.


Basically, this is the early church. While preaching to gentiles, some Jews were telling them to keep the law, get circumcised etc but it said that "it seemed good to the Holyghost and to us (apostles), to lay upon you no greater burden" than those necessary things listed in the passage.

If anybody wants to personally carry other burdens from the law, they are welcome but the Holyspirit has clearly highlighted in these verses, that there is no such need. For a greater understanding of this, you might want to read the book of Galatians, Romans and Hebrews. To all who want to be bound by the law, remember what Paul said in Galatians, they risk missing Grace. In as much as Christians we have to live holy, rules will never make us holy only God's grace. If by efforts, we could be made holy, then Jesus wouldn't have died. God would have left us to live holy by keeping the LAW.

Our works can only confirm the grace we have received for it is Grace that will teach us to deny ungodliness (Titus 2).

Thats christian for you, going to church, dancing and clapping is not even encouraged in the bible talk of making it a worship, the christianity can never be found in the bible like jesus saying 'I AM GOD , SO WORSHIP ME' the disciples never worship jesus. Christianity is just a religion of fun on earth, you follow the suitable verse of the bible and ignore some, this was the same reason why the roman catholic aforetime dismiss some verse of the bible in our today's bible. I just finish lecturing on fornication is a grieveous sin according to the bible which majority of christian engage.

Christians are enjoin to cut their hands if they sin, cast out the eyes if they see evil, mathew 5:29-30. No apparent christian has ever done it. What of muslim ? No matter how hard the command is, they adopt it.

It's very difficult to defend the sanctity of the Bible and the divine operation of the Church of God to unbelievers. But I’ll try to say a few things here as time will permit me, if only it would help someone who is genuinely interested in learning.

@Thirdborn to answer I will explain your quotes one by one. Deuteronomy 28:15: is Moses speaking to the Israelites. It is clear that God wants us to obey all His Commandments. They are repercussions and reward for not obeying and for obeying even the littlest of His commandments up till this very moment. The question is which commandments is God’s and which is Moses’ or the Pharisees’, because some commandments and advices are actually given by godly men from their godly wisdom and not really God’s. They are recorded in the Bible as so, clearly, others not so clearly, some of these not clearly stated as godly advice/commandments from godly men are mistakenly taken as a rule or even as God’s commandments. The key is knowing which is actually God’s Commandments. We don’t have the time to discuss further on that now.

Matthew 5:17-20: is Jesus speaking, defending his ministry, most especially explaining that he came to fulfill the Law. What does fulfill mean to you? It means accomplish, execute, complete. Forget all the figurative statements and focus on the point here… Jesus came to fulfill the law. Now once you have completed something do you go back to doing it again? Except of course if you didn’t do it well like if you failed your promotion exam. That explains why we have the Old Testament and the New Testament. One is much higher than the other, like secondary school and university. God gave the elect (Jews and all who joined themselves to Judaism at that time) the old covenant (Old Testament or Judaism) to practice.

The Jews could not be justified by practicing Judaism so they kept at it for a long time so much that it became a burden/bondage for them (like repeating a class three times). God already knew this and had a plan for a messiah to save them from this bondage. Note that only Jesus passed the test and so now has the key to the New Testament. Now there is a new elect (the Church of Christ) and a[b] greater law[/b] (grace). How did Jesus fulfill the Law and provided an escape for the Jews as well as the gentiles (the rest of the world)? He kept all the law, obeyed the greatest commandment – up to the point of giving up His life for the word of God to be fulfilled. My point, which is not originally mine but interpreting the truth in the word of God is this, the New Testament – Covenant (call it contract or law) has done away with some things in the Old Testament. The reasons given by God are (1) there are no longer relevant (2) there is a greater/stronger law that overrules it. When you are in Secondary school there is light out rules in the boarding house, but in the university you are allowed to stay awake till morning if you like as long as you stay peacefully with your roommates.

I Corinthians 11:6: & - I Corinthians 14:34-35: are actually talking about conduct of women in the Church. The whole essence is about modesty and order in the Church meetings. Other Christians may disagree with my interpretation but the focus still remains that they must be modesty and order at Church meetings. Man is the head of woman so a woman is not allowed to have authority over man or teach men in the congregation of the saints, though they may pray and prophesy.  Churches that allow this are in my opinion mistakenly doing this. Note that it’s not all churches that allow that. Some in my opinion are in error.

- Jeremiah 10:2-5: is talking about Idolatry, cutting down a tree to make it into a god to worship. Nobody worships Christmas trees; they use it only for decorations. If anybody is worshiping Christmas trees then he is not a Christian in the first place. Also Christmas is not a Christian ‘spiritual rite’. It is not in the Bible as a commandment that we must celebrate it. It’s just a time people have decided to use to remember Jesus’ birth (for He is a great man) and to share love and gifts. It is celebrated by all. A lot of things people do at Christmas are actually not ‘spiritual’, like people drinking to the point of getting drunk.

Salam Aleku (Peace to you)

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[size=13pt]They came with a Bible and their religion— stole our land, crushed our spirit. . . . and now tell us we should be thankful to the ‘Lord’ for being saved. NOMSENSE! [/size]

Ogaga4Luv:
[size=13pt]They came with a Bible and their religion— stole our land, crushed our spirit. . . . and now tell us we should be thankful to the ‘Lord’ for being saved. NOMSENSE! [/size]

@Ogaga4Luv i am curious, which do you belong to, or do you have a religion?

I wouldn't mind having a constructive debate (without attacks on persons or use of insulting terms) with you on any issue you clearly see as nonsense but is not nonsense to Christianity if you care. I am sure you know that reading through the Bible from cover to cover does not necessary mean understanding it from cover to cover, for all you care it could even be like one reading the newspaper upside down (and i don't mean any insult here, just trying to be factual). Because the truth of the matter is that for everything, to the uninitiated it is nonsense.

The purpose of the debate then would be to enlighten you and anyone that is unenlightened as far as i am enlightened. Anything outside that or beyond that i will not commit myself nor promise to be a part of.

Peace!

[size=13pt]The Christian faith from the beginning, is sacrifice: the sacrifice of all freedom, all pride, all self-confidence of spirit; it is at the same time subjection, self-derision, an self-mutilation. . . .
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leave them jor they claim the blessings and the psalms of old testament yet they reject the laws nt knowing that for any blessings there's a but which signifies the satisfication of a condition

I believe Thirdborn and Abusola are Muslims that was the reason they read bible without understanding. They are not of Christ,so they can't understand him. I wish they can understand the love and mercy God had given to us through our lord Jesus christ.

Let me answer thirborn first.You quoted Deuteronomy 28:15
"But it shall come to pass,if thou will not hearken to the voice of the lord the God to observe, to do all his commandment and his statue which i command you this day that all these curse shall come upon thee and overtake thee"

but you forgot Deut: 18:18 where God said to Mose I quote
"I will raise them up a prophet from among their brethen like unto the, and i will put my WORD IN HIS MOUTH and he shall speak unto them all that I SHALL COMMAND HIM "
and Jesus came whom you believed he was a prophet, and testified to the above statement that he was the prophet God was refering to by saying
"but I know him for i am from him, he had sent me" John 7:29
You also quoted Mathew 5:17 "think not that i am come to destroy the law or the prophets IAM NOT COME TO DESTROY BUT TO FULFIL...."

Now, have you ever asked about the reason why Jesus utter this statement? If you have not, i will tell you. Jesus uttered this statement for them to understand better what he was about to teach them, that was different to what they knew or believed. He said i did not come to destroy the law but he went ahead to say this statement if you read further that chapter. Let me quote this verse for you to understand

....It has been said,whosoever shall put away his wife,let him give her a writing of divorcement (Mosaic law,Jews belief) bu i said unto you,that whosoever shall put away his wife ,saving for the cause of fornication causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divoiced committeth adultery"( God fulfilment)
the above statement seem as if Jesus is adding to the existing law but he was not.This was what the law is saying but the jews of that time lack undestanding

"Ye have head that it hath been said,an eye for and eye and a tooth for a tooth (mosaic law) but i say unto you, that you resist not evil but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek turn to him the other also...."

interesting, Abusola should take notice of this, for he made metion of it.
The Jews taught God want them to take revenge and that was what they called the work of God.This was the reason why Jesus added this before he started his teaching in Mathew 5:20

"For i say unto you,except your rightrousness shall exceed the rightrousness of scribes and pharisees,YOU SHALL IN NO CASE ENTER THE THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN"

What are the righrousness of scribe and pharisees as we read in Jesus teaching? Their rightrous is that, they were using torah(the law ) as an excuse to commit evill thinking they are doing the work of God. They divorced their wife without genuine reason,as an advantages to commit adultery just because the law as said they can divorce their wife. They use the law to execute the person they hate without mercy just because the law said eye for an eye,tooth for tooth.The Muslims we are seen todays, they are not different to the scribes and pharisees Jesus warned us of.They too kills,ampulating hands,divorce without genuine reason, hate other but love their muslims brothers and sisters,and with these they thinking they are doing the work of God. They carried the law but they did not fulfil the law fov they lack understanding of the law.

You also quoted 1 corinthians 11;6 that the woman should cover their head or shave their head if they can't cover it.
I believe geniune christians women knows this and they are doing it but the bible does not say they should cover it from head to toes like masqurades as some muslims women use to do.

And for the 1 corinthians 13: 34
Let your woman keep silence in church in the churchs for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are to be UNDER OBEDIENCE ,as also saith the law.And if they will learn any thing let them ask their husbands at home FOR IT IS A SHAME FOR WOMEN TO SPEAK IN CHURCH"
i think this is not applied to all churches beause not all churches give chance for women to be pastor but i still want you to understand why they were not permmit to speak.Notice the words i wrote in capital letter. We all know that the men are head of woman and the two people that makes churches are women and men and that was the reason that verses says its a shame to churches. Shame but it did not say it is sin.So if you did not count it to be shame you can attend their churches. That does not mean you have committed a sin.

though God says it in Mosaic law that they should not take revenge but they did not see that.The Mu

I believe Thirdborn and Abusola are Muslims that was the reason they read bible without understanding. They are not of Christ,so they can't understand him. I wish they can understand the love and mercy God had given to us through our lord Jesus christ.

Let me answer thirborn first.You quoted Deuteronomy 28:15
"But it shall come to pass,if thou will not hearken to the voice of the lord the God to observe, to do all his commandment and his statue which i command you this day that all these curse shall come upon thee and overtake thee"
i can say that Moses was talking this to the Isrealite then. Actually there is curse on evil people because there are reword for everything we do even on this earth "the evill shall follow the evil mand and good shall follow rightrous people
but you forgot Deut: 18:18 where God said to Mose I quote
"I will raise them up a prophet from among their brethen like unto the, and i will put my WORD IN HIS MOUTH and he shall speak unto them all that I SHALL COMMAND HIM "
and Jesus came whom you believed he was a prophet, and testified to the above statement that he was the prophet God was refering to by saying
"but I know him for i am from him, he had sent me" John 7:29
You also quoted Mathew 5:17 "think not that i am come to destroy the law or the prophets IAM NOT COME TO DESTROY BUT TO FULFIL...."

Now, have you ever asked about the reason why Jesus utter this statement? If you have not, i will tell you. Jesus uttered this statement for them to understand better what he was about to teach them, that was different to what they knew or believed. He said i did not come to destroy the law but he went ahead to say this statement if you read further that chapter. Let me quote this verse for you to understand

....It has been said,whosoever shall put away his wife,let him give her a writing of divorcement (Mosaic law,Jews belief) bu i said unto you,that whosoever shall put away his wife ,saving for the cause of fornication causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divoiced committeth adultery"( God fulfilment)
the above statement seem as if Jesus is adding to the existing law but he was not.This was what the law is saying but the jews of that time lack undestanding

"Ye have head that it hath been said,an eye for and eye and a tooth for a tooth (mosaic law) but i say unto you, that you resist not evil but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek turn to him the other also...."

interesting, Abusola should take notice of this, for he made metion of it.
The Jews taught God want them to take revenge and that was what they called the work of God.This was the reason why Jesus added this before he started his teaching in Mathew 5:20

"For i say unto you,except your rightrousness shall exceed the rightrousness of scribes and pharisees,YOU SHALL IN NO CASE ENTER THE THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN"

What are the righrousness of scribe and pharisees as we read in Jesus teaching? Their rightrous is that, they were using torah(the law ) as an excuse to commit evill thinking they are doing the work of God. They divorced their wife without genuine reason,as an advantages to commit adultery just because the law as said they can divorce their wife. They use the law to execute the person they hate without mercy just because the law said eye for an eye,tooth for tooth.The Muslims we are seen todays, they are not different to the scribes and pharisees Jesus warned us of.They too kills,ampulating hands,divorce without genuine reason, hate other but love their muslims brothers and sisters,and with these they thinking they are doing the work of God. They carried the law but they did not fulfil the law fov they lack understanding of the law.

You also quoted 1 corinthians 11;6 that the woman should cover their head or shave their head if they can't cover it.
I believe geniune christians women knows this and they are doing it but the bible does not say they should cover it from head to toes like masqurades as some muslims women use to do.

And for the 1 corinthians 13: 34
Let your woman keep silence in church in the churchs for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are to be UNDER OBEDIENCE ,as also saith the law.And if they will learn any thing let them ask their husbands at home FOR IT IS A SHAME FOR WOMEN TO SPEAK IN CHURCH"
i think this is not applied to all churches beause not all churches give chance for women to be pastor but i still want you to understand why they were not permmit to speak.Notice the words i wrote in capital letter. We all know that the men are head of woman and the two people that makes churches are women and men and that was the reason that verses says its a shame to churches. Shame but it did not say it is sin.So if you did not count it to be shame you can attend their churches. That does not mean you have committed a sin.

Abu Zola: Thats christian for you, going to church, dancing and clapping is not even encouraged in the bible talk of making it a worship, the christianity can never be found in the bible like jesus saying 'I AM GOD , SO WORSHIP ME' the disciples never worship jesus. Christianity is just a religion of fun on earth, you follow the suitable verse of the bible and ignore some, this was the same reason why the roman catholic aforetime dismiss some verse of the bible in our today's bible. I just finish lecturing on fornication is a grieveous sin according to the bible which majority of christian engage.

Christians are enjoin to cut their hands if they sin, cast out the eyes if they see evil, mathew 5:29-30. No apparent christian has ever done it. What of muslim ? No matter how hard the command is, they adopt it.

Atleast it is I myself and I that is cutting out my hand because I know I sinned! What of islam n its sharia that allows men to molest women and one slowpoke* will say stone her n not d man cos its d womans fault.
BTW FOR THOSE OF YOU SAYING CHRISTIANS SHOULD IGNORE THE BIBLE NA KORAN WE GO EMBRACE? WHEN WE STRAP BOMBS TO OURSELVES N GO AROUND KILLING PEOPLE AS SAID IN THE KORAN YOU WILL COME OUT WITH YOUR BIG MOUtHS AND CALL US CRAZY. U can't win with the world.

Thirdborn: Peace to you all!
I ‘ve got this thing that has been poking my mind for a long time, its got to do with how Christians ignore or disregard some important rules in the bible (as if all rules are not important). I mean there are quite a few verses I stumbled upon that many Christians don’t follow and when I asked a self professed pastor why, do you know what he told me? “Those are rules for the old days, they don’t apply to the present day”. Can you imagine a pastor telling me that? So I mentioned these verses:

- Deuteronomy 28:15:
But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee

- Matthew 5:17-20:
Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven. New International Version

Well, he ran away after checking the verse cos he couldn’t give me an answer, but there are many other questions I have like; why women don’t cover their hair (like the Muslims) even in church as ordered in the verse:

- I Corinthians 11:6:
So if a woman does not cover her head, she should cut off her hair. If it is a disgrace for a woman to cut off her hair or shave her head, let her cover her own head. ISV
Women are not allowed to speak in Church, but women have gone as far as becoming pastors today, Why? The Bible clearly states that:

- I Corinthians 14:34-35:
Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

When Christmas comes around, many Christians all over the world set up Christmas trees in their houses when it clearly states that they shouldn’t in the following verse:

- Jerimiah 10:2-5:
Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not. They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.

So if anybody has a very sensible and reasonable explanation as to why these rules are ignored today, I’d be glad to hear it. And please no “Those are barbaric rules of the old” crap please, ity clearly says that the rules will never change in the Bible.

God bless you as you answer sensibly.

i marvel how you people read understand scripture and thereby interpret them. That same passage you quoted about a woman covering her head also says a womans hair has been given her for a covering. Read the whole thing well. Again, some where in the OT and Acts it says that in the last days i will pour my Spirit upon all flesh and your sons and daughters will prophesy( ie. Proclaim my message). So who were the women going to prophesy to? Trees? Or maybe animals in the jungle- certainly not. Paul is one of the greatest messangers of God but he isnt God.. About erecting christmas trees, can you tell me whats demonic about it? Thanks.

< Did God create religion? I don't think so.
< His God a Muslim or Christian? ( ), I don't think God even recognise religion, when am coming to this word God didn't say join muslim or christian, both religion are genocide, how can God said thou shall not kill and you said the same God ask you to pick a sword to go and invade some country or villages because they did not worship him what type of god is that?, let give back Allah and their jesus back to them (foreigner) and let go back to our ancestors they are waiting for us all
< If I am made in image of God, then, who am I? I am a god, the last time I check I am a god not a slave.
< Are ye not god? ( )
< Since religion as enter world,world did not balance again
< When do we heard that Buddhism or traditional worship take a weapon or sword to invade villages or country even make assault against any religion, condemn their believes or accuse his brethren?
< When a lazy people commit any crime they will say is Lucifer (satan), Lucifer and satan is not a name is a title, infact last time I check lucifer still they heaven, in quran and bible (text book) were did you read that says Lucifer (satan) kill any anybodyor to invade country or villages? Lucifer is a name of planet called Venus in roman deity gods it mean Light bearal, let me stop their.
< Why is that if you don't join my religion or worship me you will end in hell fire, what type of god is that?
< Religion as divide family's, homes, relationship, marriages, no alfah or imaam will say he love his xtian brother if he said so is lying if pastor say the same thing is lying.
< Are we jews?
Stay Bless

PEACE

< Did God create religion? I don't think so.
< His God a Muslim or Christian? ( ), I don't think God even recognise religion, when am coming to this word God didn't say join muslim or christian, both religion are genocide, how can God said thou shall not kill and you said the same God ask you to pick a sword to go and invade some country or villages because they did not worship him what type of god is that?, let give back Allah and their jesus back to them (foreigner) and let go back to our ancestors they are waiting for us all
< If I am made in image of God, then, who am I? I am a god, the last time I check I am a god not a slave.
< Are ye not god? ( )
< Since religion as enter world,world did not balance again
< When do we heard that Buddhism or traditional worship take a weapon or sword to invade villages or country even make assault against any religion, condemn their believes or accuse his brethren?
< When a lazy people commit any crime they will say is Lucifer (satan)Lucifer(satan) did nothing, Lucifer and satan is not a name is a title, infact last time I check lucifer still they heaven, in quran and bible (text book) were did you read that says Lucifer (satan) kill any anybodyor to invade country or villages? Lucifer is a name of planet called Venus in roman deity gods it mean Light bearal, let me stop their.
< Why is that if you don't join my religion or worship me you will end in hell fire, what type of god is that?
< Religion as divide family's, homes, relationship, marriages, no alfah or imaam will say he love his xtian brother if he said so is lying if pastor say the same thing is lying.
< Are we jews?
Stay Bless

PEACE

dejonimist:
It's very difficult to defend the sanctity of the Bible and the divine operation of the Church of God to unbelievers. But I’ll try to say a few things here as time will permit me, if only it would help someone who is genuinely interested in learning.

@Thirdborn to answer I will explain your quotes one by one. Deuteronomy 28:15: is Moses speaking to the Israelites. It is clear that God wants us to obey all His Commandments. They are repercussions and reward for not obeying and for obeying even the littlest of His commandments up till this very moment. The question is which commandments is God’s and which is Moses’ or the Pharisees’, because some commandments and advices are actually given by godly men from their godly wisdom and not really God’s. They are recorded in the Bible as so, clearly, others not so clearly, some of these not clearly stated as godly advice/commandments from godly men are mistakenly taken as a rule or even as God’s commandments. The key is knowing which is actually God’s Commandments. We don’t have the time to discuss further on that now.

Matthew 5:17-20: is Jesus speaking, defending his ministry, most especially explaining that he came to fulfill the Law. What does fulfill mean to you? It means accomplish, execute, complete. Forget all the figurative statements and focus on the point here… Jesus came to fulfill the law. Now once you have completed something do you go back to doing it again? Except of course if you didn’t do it well like if you failed your promotion exam. That explains why we have the Old Testament and the New Testament. One is much higher than the other, like secondary school and university. God gave the elect (Jews and all who joined themselves to Judaism at that time) the old covenant (Old Testament or Judaism) to practice.

The Jews could not be justified by practicing Judaism so they kept at it for a long time so much that it became a burden/bondage for them (like repeating a class three times). God already knew this and had a plan for a messiah to save them from this bondage. Note that only Jesus passed the test and so now has the key to the New Testament. Now there is a new elect (the Church of Christ) and a[b] greater law[/b] (grace). How did Jesus fulfill the Law and provided an escape for the Jews as well as the gentiles (the rest of the world)? He kept all the law, obeyed the greatest commandment – up to the point of giving up His life for the word of God to be fulfilled. My point, which is not originally mine but interpreting the truth in the word of God is this, the New Testament – Covenant (call it contract or law) has done away with some things in the Old Testament. The reasons given by God are (1) there are no longer relevant (2) there is a greater/stronger law that overrules it. When you are in Secondary school there is light out rules in the boarding house, but in the university you are allowed to stay awake till morning if you like as long as you stay peacefully with your roommates.

I Corinthians 11:6: & - I Corinthians 14:34-35: are actually talking about conduct of women in the Church. The whole essence is about modesty and order in the Church meetings. Other Christians may disagree with my interpretation but the focus still remains that they must be modesty and order at Church meetings. Man is the head of woman so a woman is not allowed to have authority over man or teach men in the congregation of the saints, though they may pray and prophesy.  Churches that allow this are in my opinion mistakenly doing this. Note that it’s not all churches that allow that. Some in my opinion are in error.

- Jeremiah 10:2-5: is talking about Idolatry, cutting down a tree to make it into a god to worship. Nobody worships Christmas trees; they use it only for decorations. If anybody is worshiping Christmas trees then he is not a Christian in the first place. Also Christmas is not a Christian ‘spiritual rite’. It is not in the Bible as a commandment that we must celebrate it. It’s just a time people have decided to use to remember Jesus’ birth (for He is a great man) and to share love and gifts. It is celebrated by all. A lot of things people do at Christmas are actually not ‘spiritual’, like people drinking to the point of getting drunk.

Salam Aleku (Peace to you)

. I saw two very strange things on your post I will like to correct,first,the messengers of God never say anything to people other than what God commands them to say,becos watever they say becomes law of God,they only say whatever God tells them to,secondly u mentioned God giving isrealites judaism,God NEVER gave the jews judaism,moses never mentioned judaism all his life,he never heard the word,his message was "o isreal ur God our lord is one",it was long after moses died,the jews brot their own religion,judaissm...I read ur post nicely,I hope u read mine to nicely without prejudice,u see God gave the jews a law(torah) when they came out of egypt,'an eye for an eye,a tooth for tooth',it was a quick law they needed,because they were in the desert,moving from places to places,they didn't have time to for lengthy litigation,or even space to imprison people,so The ALL Wise gave them a quick law,this law was meant as quick justice,but u see the jews after years,they made the law into sumtyn else,they forgot about forgiveness,anything,so God sends jesus to bring them back to the path of forgiveness,but the pharises were sceptical about jesus,so jesus assures them,'I have nt come to abolish ur law,but rather to fulfil it'.jesus didn't come with a new law,he never did,rather all he preached was to teach the jews how to follow the laws,and also how to forgive.The laws of God never changes,NEVER will it ever change,we humans can decide to obey or disobey the laws,but God will never change his word.

Christians are to stand fast in the liberty with which Christ hath made them free, and not to be entangled again with the yoke of bondage (Gal 5:1). This is speaking of how Christ abolished the "law of commandments contained in ordinances" (Ephesians 2:15).

The purpose of the ceremonial law was temporary, partly of worship, to point the Jewish church to Christ (Gal 3:24-25). Certain prohibitions, including the one to abstain from shellfish were of a temporary nature. When the purpose of the prohibition was fulfilled in Christ such restrictions were done away with (Acts 10:15, Gal 5:1-4, Matt 15:11, Col 2:20-23).

There is the matter of discerning the ceremonial (which are abrogated, see Hebrews 9 and Colossians 2) from the moral which is binding at all times and in all places. Homosexuality is not a problem in that matter as it is condemned in the New Testament. In Romans 1:27, it is called an "error". See the following NT verses: Romans 1:26-27, Jude 1:7, 2 Peter 2:6

EDIT: I forgot to explain the threefold division of the law. There are the ceremonial ordinances (ceremonies and rites of the Jerusalem temple and sacrifice), civil/judicial laws that were made only for the government of Israel (such as punishment for crimes), and the moral law (10 Commandments). Paul said "Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.", and this is speaking of the moral law which are the commandments of God. Jesus said "if ye love me, keep my commandments".

Explaining scriptures to muslims and atheists is a waste of energy and time. It's like giving what is sacred to dogs, or throwing pearls at pigs. Matthew 7:6.