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Missy89:
I did the same thing the I got the same response. These clowns are hilarious.

updating, or deflecting like the deflector in chief



https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/06/us/politics/jared-kushner-russians-security-clearance.html?smid=tw-share&_r=1&referer=

When Jared Kushner, President Trump’s son-in-law and senior adviser, sought the top-secret security clearance that would give him access to some of the nation’s most closely guarded secrets, he was required to disclose all encounters with foreign government officials over the last seven years.

But Mr. Kushner did not mention dozens of contacts with foreign leaders or officials in recent months. They include a December meeting with the Russian ambassador, Sergey I. Kislyak, and one with the head of a Russian state-owned bank, Vnesheconombank, arranged at Mr. Kislyak’s behest.

The omissions, which Mr. Kushner’s lawyer called an error, are particularly sensitive given the congressional and F.B.I. investigations into contacts between Russian officials and Trump associates. The Senate Intelligence Committee informed the White House weeks ago that, as part of its inquiry, it planned to question Mr. Kushner about the meetings he arranged with Mr. Kislyak, including the one with Sergey N. Gorkov, a graduate of Russia’s spy school who now heads Vnesheconombank.

Mr. Kushner’s omissions were described by people with direct knowledge of them who asked for anonymity because the questionnaire is not a public document.

While officials can lose access to intelligence, or worse, for failing to disclose foreign contacts, the forms are often amended to address lapses. Jamie Gorelick, Mr. Kushner’s lawyer, said that the questionnaire was submitted prematurely on Jan. 18, and that the next day, Mr. Kushner’s office told the F.B.I. that he would provide supplemental information.

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some are also noting that trump chose to notify or should we say update russia but not congress before bombing syria

hmmm. . .so russia is the one wagging the white house dog.

MissyB oyb

I don't support the air strikes, Infact I don't support the ouster of Assad

For now Syria doesn't threaten the US directly, so why get involved?

Assuming Assad is deposed, who is going to take over? What have we learnt from the deposition of Ghadaffi, Saddam, Mubarak etc? The only thing we should have learnt is that when you depose all these despotic rulers you either stay in the country permanently to keep peace and those incurring the wrath of the populace or leave immediately and 1. Make enemies of those previously loyal to the ruler you deposed 2. Allow a more violent brand of terrorists to take over the space

Same story in Libya Egypt and Iraq

One thing about the middle east is leave them to their own devices as long as they dont threaten the US or their interest directly

oyb:
updating, or deflecting like the deflector in chief



https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/06/us/politics/jared-kushner-russians-security-clearance.html?smid=tw-share&_r=1&referer=




https://static01.nyt.com/images/2017/04/06/us/politics/06kushner-tear/06kushner-tear-master675.png

some are also noting that trump chose to notify or should we say update russia but not congress before bombing syria

hmmm. . .so russia is the one wagging the white house dog.

Displaying ignorance as usual. When Putin started his air strikes in Syria, did he notify the US military?

raumdeuter:
MissyB oyb

I don't support the air strikes, Infact I don't support the ouster of Assad

For now Syria doesn't threaten the US directly, so why get involved?

Assuming Assad is deposed, who is going to take over? What have we learnt from the deposition of Ghadaffi, Saddam, Mubarak etc? The only thing we should have learnt is that when you depose all these despotic rulers you either stay in the country permanently to keep peace and those incurring the wrath of the populace or leave immediately and 1. Make enemies of those previously loyal to the ruler to deposed 2. Allow a more violent brand of terrorists to take over the space

Same story in Libya Egypt and Iraq

One thing about the middle east is leave them to their own devices as long as they dont threaten the US or their interest directly

more than that - one thing the Quran is unequivocal about - if foreigners invade your land, you have a divine mandate to kick them out. that is what happened in Afghanistan in the 80s and in Iraq in the 00s.

if americans make any overt actions in syria, it will become a magnet for aspiring jihadis.

like you said , quagmire all over again.

depose Assad and next thing you know his army becomes the next isis and the forever war continues

raumdeuter:
MissyB oyb

I don't support the air strikes, Infact I don't support the ouster of Assad

For now Syria doesn't threaten the US directly, so why get involved?

Assuming Assad is deposed, who is going to take over? What have we learnt from the deposition of Ghadaffi, Saddam, Mubarak etc? The only thing we should have learnt is that when you depose all these despotic rulers you either stay in the country permanently to keep peace and those incurring the wrath of the populace or leave immediately and 1. Make enemies of those previously loyal to the ruler to deposed 2. Allow a more violent brand of terrorists to take over the space

Same story in Libya Egypt and Iraq

One thing about the middle east is leave them to their own devices as long as they dont threaten the US or their interest directly

Let's not get ahead of ourselves. I don't think Trump has any coherent Syria policy yet but at least, Assad now understands that their is a real red line.

I don't think Trump will go all in. His supporters are not even happy with the strikes.

Missy89:
Displaying ignorance as usual. When Putin started his air strikes in Syria, did he notify the US military?

are you daft? or you cant read? Russia was notified before the missile strikes. congress was not.
that tells you who is in charge , not so?

oyb:
more than that - one thing the Quran is unequivocal about - if foreigners invade your land, you have a divine mandate to kick them out. that is what happened in Afghanistan in the 80s and in Iraq in the 00s.

if americans make any overt actions in syria, it will become a magnet for aspiring jihadis.

like you said , quagmire all over again.

depose Assad and next thing you know his army becomes the next isis and the forever war continues

Given this background, I think its foolish for any American or western country to get involved in the middle east unless its attacking them directly,

As harsh as it sound, I will say leave them to kill themselves

Imagine, America goes in to save those Assad are killing after saving them, the ones you saved now remember some teaching that they must kick out the invaders they called on to come save them? why didnt they remember these when calling on the invaders to come save them in the first place?

Instead of dealing with ragtag peasant terrorists in al qaeda we will now be dealing with well trained Colonels, Genrals co-ordinating a terror group like ISIL

oyb:
are you daft? or you cant read? Russia was notified before the missile strikes. congress was not.
that tells you who is in charge , not so?

Keep repeating the liberal crap you read online like a zombie. Did Russia notify the US before their air strike in Syria? Yes or no?
If you think congressional leadership don't know about the strikes before it happened ,then you are dumber than I thought.

Missy89:
Let's not get ahead of ourselves. I don't think Trump has any coherent Syria policy yet but at least, Assad now understands that their is a real red line.

I don't think Trump will go all in. His supporters are not even happy with the strikes.

I am not his supporter but I am not pleased with the airstrikes either. The same people you are trying to defend from Assad, will chop-belleful and remember that Americans are infidels who have taken over their land.

For me if they are killing each other turn the other eye. Unless they become a threat to America, Nothing unites all these middle eastern countries than having an enemy in the US. All these groups and cultures that hate themselves naturally will suddenly become best friends and allies when they hear America.

I am believing that these middle east countries have a bigger agenda and these wars are just a way of furthering their agenda

Erdogan the prime minister of Turkey recently urged Turks living in Europe to have at least 5 children. Why do you think he is saying that?

raumdeuter:
Given this background, I think its foolish for any American or western country to get involved in the middle east unless its attacking them directly,

As harsh as it sound, I will say leave them to kill themselves

Imagine, America goes in to save those Assad are killing after saving them, the ones you saved now remember some teaching that they must kick out the invaders they called on to come save them? why didnt they remember these when calling on the invaders to come save them in the first place?

Instead of dealing with ragtag peasant terrorists in al qaeda we will now be dealing with well trained Colonels, Genrals co-ordinating a terror group like ISIL

You aren't far from the truth though, let's hope things don't get out of control. War isn't something one can officially set a timeline or declare, it begins with minute actions like this which have consequences.

raumdeuter:
I am not his supporter but I am not pleased with the airstrikes either. The same people you are trying to defend from Assad, will chop-belleful and remember that Americans are infidels who have taken over their land.

For me if they are killing each other turn the other eye. Unless they become a threat to America, Nothing unites all these middle eastern countries than having an enemy in the US. All these groups and cultures that hate themselves naturally will suddenly become best friends and allies when they hear America.

I am believing that these middle east countries have a bigger agenda and these wars are just a way of furthering their agenda

Erdogan the prime minister of Turkey recently urged Turks living in Europe to have at least 5 children. Why do you think he is saying that?

Is it any wonder we've been hearing of the ''false flag'' theory? A ploy to draw the U.S into taking military actions to achieve a concealed but dangerous agenda? How true is that?

raumdeuter:
I am not his supporter but I am not pleased with the airstrikes either. The same people you are trying to defend from Assad, will chop-belleful and remember that Americans are infidels who have taken over their land.

For me if they are killing each other turn the other eye. Unless they become a threat to America, Nothing unites all these middle eastern countries than having an enemy in the US. All these groups and cultures that hate themselves naturally will suddenly become best friends and allies when they hear America.

I am believing that these middle east countries have a bigger agenda and these wars are just a way of furthering their agenda

Erdogan the prime minister of Turkey recently urged Turks living in Europe to have at least 5 children. Why do you think he is saying that?

I don't think Assad can be removed without boots on the ground and Americans don't want another war so it won't happen.

Missy89:
I don't think Assad can be removed without boots on the ground and Americans don't want another war so it won't happen.

Shioor..Another War might happen with that Dumb head in the white house..Isn't that what you Republicans like?Fighting every now and then..Clinton handed a near perfect economy to Bush..Bush went on a fighting spree,destroyed everything till Obama came in trying to clean he's mess..

When I remember women always loving their oppressors,then I remember America..Voting in Republicans,While Democrats will come and clean their mess

happney65:
Shioor..Another War might happen with that Dumb head in the white house..Isn't that what you Republicans like?Fighting every now and then..Clinton handed a near perfect economy to Bush..Bush went on a fighting spree,destroyed everything till Obama came in trying to clean he's mess..

When I remember women always loving their oppressors,then I remember America..Voting in Republicans,While Democrats will come and clean their mess

Blah blah blah. A clown trying to lecture American voters. How is illiteratehari working out for you?

Your opinion is irrelevant. Have a good day

Missy89:
I don't think Assad can be removed without boots on the ground and Americans don't want another war so it won't happen.

but there are already boots on the ground in syria - you have referred to this previously; and i pointed out that all you need is a few soldiers captured, and the US is in a full scale war

more on that -

https://secure.politico.com/story/2017/03/pentagon-syria-mission-creep-trump-236156

President Donald Trump’s pressure on the military to "demolish and destroy" the Islamic State is raising anxiety inside the Pentagon that the United States could end up in another open-ended ground war, according to current and former military officials.

The U.S. has quietly sent hundreds of additional troops to Iraq and Syria since Trump took office, and is considering dispatching thousands more to counter ISIS, fight militants in Yemen and stem a Taliban resurgence in Afghanistan. But the deliberations are testing Trump’s promise to steer clear of foreign entanglements, and has his military commanders questioning whether they can maintain their meticulously drawn line between supporting local forces and leading the fight.

"How much more blood do we want to shed for Iraq?" asked one senior officer who recently returned from the war zone.

The escalating risk of U.S. casualties is shadowing the Pentagon’s internal strategy sessions, the officials said in interviews. Trump’s demand for a more aggressive strategy also raises concerns among commanders about whether they can accomplish the mission without turning U.S. troops into a substitute for local fighters, which until now have depended only on U.S. military advisers, special operations forces and air strikes.

"Some call this accelerating the campaign; some call it mission creep," said one military officer involved in the discussions who was not authorized to speak publicly.

Some lawmakers say the U.S. military role in the region is steadily expanding with little if any debate about the implications.

"What we see happening is the classic definition of mission creep," said Rep. Jim McGovern, a Massachusetts Democrat and leading anti-war voice on Capitol Hill. "A few hundred here, a couple hundred there, a few more hundred here. You see our military footprint expanding ever more."

Trump has straddled the issue — speaking out about the urgent need to defeat ISIS and criticizing former President Barack Obama’s “leading from behind strategy,” but also expressing wariness about large-scale military involvement in the Middle East.

On Thursday, Trump laid out plans for a military buildup in his first budget request, while asking Congress for $30 billion in extra funds for the military this year. That would include money to "accelerate the campaign to defeat the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria," he wrote in his message to Congress.

The acceleration is already underway.

In recent weeks the Pentagon, at the request of Army Lt. Gen. Stephen Townsend, the top commander in Baghdad, has quietly inserted hundreds of conventional troops into Syria to aid preparations to retake Raqqa, the capital of the Islamic State's self-declared caliphate.

A Marine artillery unit, including about 200 personnel, is on the outskirts of Raqqa to help tighten the noose around the group's headquarters — an effort being spearheaded by a coalition of Syrian Arab, Kurdish and Christian forces, collectively known as the Syrian Democratic Forces. About 100 Army Rangers are helping provide security in the recently liberated city of Manbij in northern Syria.
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They join at least 500 American troops already inside Syria and more than 5,000 American military advisers, trainers and attack helicopter crews in Iraq, where Iraqi forces are waging an intense fight to retake the northern city of Mosul.

The moves mark an escalation in the three-year-old campaign to dislodge the Islamic State from large swaths of its territory.

The Pentagon is also considering sending several thousands of additional troops to Kuwait as what one military official with direct knowledge described as a "reserve" force for the anti-ISIS fight in Iraq and Syria. And a stepped-up U.S. bombing campaign in recent weeks against al Qaeda in Yemen is raising further questions about deeper involvement in that country's civil war, while the commander in Afghanistan recently telegraphed that he will seek more forces — on top of 8,400 already there — to beat back a Taliban resurgence.

But military spokespeople insist that the U.S. role will remain one of advising and assisting local forces — and that American ground forces will be inserted directly into the fight only if absolutely necessary.

"Our No. 1 goal for our force is to enable our partner forces to liberate their lands," Air Force Col. John Dorrian, a spokesman for the U.S. command in Baghdad, told reporters on Wednesday. He added, “Our No. 2 role is to make sure that we protect our own force as they execute that mission."

But he said the Pentagon is not prepared to reveal much detail about the numbers, locations or missions of troops already there or others that may be on the way — in what some view as a departure from tradition.

"We are not going to do it as a play-by-play every day," Dorrian said, adding that being too transparent about the moves would pose additional risks because the U.S. troops are in "isolated conditions" and small formations.

Yet the risks inherent in involving more troops in the fight — especially a Syrian civil war with a host of competing sides — is a primary consideration in current Pentagon planning, according to multiple officials with direct knowledge.


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The additional U.S. troops under consideration "are there to lend specific technical capabilities," said one military official who has seen the options to accelerate the campaign, which were delivered to the White House earlier this month. Those include helping local allies with communications, logistics and intelligence, but also "fire support," like the newly deployed Marine artillery unit.

The challenge is to ensure that U.S. troops do not become a substitute for the local forces on the ground that are fighting ISIS, said the official, who was not authorized to speak publicly. "I don't foresee that changing even with more cowbell. You are not going to see rifle companies doing rifle company stuff."

But that could prove difficult given the unpredictable situation on the ground, including multiple warring factions with different agendas.

To fight ISIS, the United States is leading a coalition of nations in supporting Iraqi security forces and troops from the Kurdish area of northern Iraq in the battle for Mosul. In Syria, in addition to the Syrian Democratic Forces, the U.S. is also working with the People's Protection Units, a militia that is a mix of Arabs, Turkomen and Kurds and in conflict with neighboring Turkey, a NATO ally.

Syrian President Bashar Assad, whose forces are fighting some of the United States’ allies, is calling the American forces in the country "invaders."

Further complicating the situation is the presence of Russian forces, who are aiding the Assad government — but some of whom are also operating along with the U.S. Army Rangers in Manbij.

Dorrian acknowledged that avoiding a confrontation with Moscow is a major worry. "It is a concern of ours. It is quite clear it is a concern of theirs," he said.


Still, influential voices in Washington are calling for a greater U.S. military commitment. The "U.S. must act quickly" and "seize and secure a base of operations in southeastern Syria in order to expand American freedom of action in the region," said a report issued Wednesday by the American Enterprise Institute and the Institute for the Study of War, hawkish think tanks that have advised U.S. military commanders in the region.

"The goal is to help form a new Syrian Sunni Arab partner,” the report said, adding that “U.S actions must set the conditions necessary to prevent the reconstitution of ISIS and al Qaeda and to resettle refugees eventually.”

The report effectively calls on Trump to take ownership of the war against ISIS. For now, though, Trump is simply "supersizing the Obama strategy," said one of the report's main authors, Frederick Kagan.

"We have very little leverage on the ground and probably a limited ability to understand what is going on if we are not there," Kagan said in an interview. "If we are serious about this we must have some presence."

He similarly argued that additional American troops are needed in Afghanistan, where the top U.S. commander, Gen. John Nicholson, told Congress last month that "we have a shortfall of a few thousand."

"It is not a stalemate; we are losing," Kagan said. "How do we help the Afghans to stop losing?"

But current and former military officials said debate rages among leaders in the Pentagon and commanders in the field about what constitutes too much U.S. involvement, especially in Syria.

"The fundamental question is this: How do you lead the fight without leading?" asked retired Army Lt. Gen. Mick Bednarek, who was the top U.S. officer in Baghdad until 2015 and still advises the Pentagon.

"We made the decision long ago in Iraq while I was there that this is not our fight," added Bednarek, who witnessed ISIS taking control of large swaths of Iraq and Syria in 2014. "It is a fine line. How do we get as close to the front as we can to bolster up our coalition partners without leading as we help assist, advise and support them in their effort?"

Missy89:
Blah blah blah. A clown trying to lecture American voters. How is illiteratehari working out for you?

Your opinion is irrelevant. Have a good day

Happeny65 is spot on . Clinton handed a very good and buoyant economy to Bush W and we see the results of the worthless wars in Iraq and Afghanistan that almost bankrupt America. Thanks to Obama who corrected everything. The clown in office is trying to drag us bank to republicans messing up the economy.

happney65:
Shioor..Another War might happen with that Dumb head in the white house..Isn't that what you Republicans like?Fighting every now and then..Clinton handed a near perfect economy to Bush..Bush went on a fighting spree,destroyed everything till Obama came in trying to clean he's mess..

When I remember women always loving their oppressors,then I remember America..Voting in Republicans,While Democrats will come and clean their mess

God bless you for that post.

A Russian warship entered the eastern Mediterranean Friday and was heading toward the area where two U.S. Navy destroyers launched missile strikes into Syria, Fox News has learned.

The Russian frigate, Admiral Grigorovich RFS-494, crossed through the Bosphorus Strait “a few hours ago” from the Black Sea, according to a U.S. defense official.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/04/07/russian-warship-steams-toward-us-destroyers-that-launched-syria-airstrikes.html

raumdeuter:
MissyB oyb

I don't support the air strikes, Infact I don't support the ouster of Assad

For now Syria doesn't threaten the US directly, so why get involved?

Assuming Assad is deposed, who is going to take over? What have we learnt from the deposition of Ghadaffi, Saddam, Mubarak etc? The only thing we should have learnt is that when you depose all these despotic rulers you either stay in the country permanently to keep peace and those incurring the wrath of the populace or leave immediately and 1. Make enemies of those previously loyal to the ruler to deposed 2. Allow a more violent brand of terrorists to take over the space

Same story in Libya Egypt and Iraq

One thing about the middle east is leave them to their own devices as long as they dont threaten the US or their interest directly

On that note , I agree 200% with you. Enough of this worthless wars bankrupting America.

Missy89:
I did the same thing the I got the same response. These clowns are hilarious.

That is a classic coming from someone that doesn't call people name. Hypocrisy of the highest order. Still waiting for the beans you wanna spill Missy.

happney65:
Shioor..Another War might happen with that Dumb head in the white house..Isn't that what you Republicans like?Fighting every now and then..Clinton handed a near perfect economy to Bush..Bush went on a fighting spree,destroyed everything till Obama came in trying to clean he's mess..

When I remember women always loving their oppressors,then I remember America..Voting in Republicans,While Democrats will come and clean their mess

This is pure garbage

Bush didnt go looking for war, Al Qaeda and terrorists brought war to him. if there was no 9-11 there wont be any war

Tell me what a president whose country was attacked by terrorists should do? Send them flowers and go on a apology tour?

Lucasbalo:
That is a classic coming from someone that doesn't call people name. Hypocrisy of the highest order. Still waiting for the beans you wanna spill Missy.

I am learning from you. Do you agree with me that he should return to his cave and worry about Nigeria's problems or is he another honorary American?

oyb:
are you daft? or you cant read? Russia was notified before the missile strikes. congress was not.
that tells you who is in charge , not so?

Do not mind Missy, you are absolutely right that he notified Russia before striking Syria but notified the congress after striking. What a worthless war monger. We don't need war when America infrastructure is in decay.

Missy89:
I am learning from you. Do you agree with me that he should return to his cave and worry about Nigeria's problems or is he another honorary American?

I guess you are a liar for not spilling the beans about me. I have respect for women unlike your lord grabbing 'em by their Pus*sies.

US job reports out with 98.000 jobs for march while they were expecting 175.000 jobs. Way to go for a clueless and clownish trump. War is his focus while the economy is slowing down.

Lucasbalo:
US job reports out with 98.000 jobs for march while they were expecting 175.000 jobs. Way to go for a clueless and clownish trump. War is his focus while the economy is slowing down.

Lol

Gorsuch confirmed.

Missy89:
Lol

Americans needs jobs not wars.

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Missy89:
Blah blah blah. A clown trying to lecture American voters. How is illiteratehari working out for you?

Your opinion is irrelevant. Have a good day

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Reserve your stupidity to the an american forum if you find Nigerians commenting on US politics too distasteful. May be your white supremacist overlords view Nigerians too lowly to comment on the US but after all this is Nairaland. So shut it if you can't counter an argument sensibly. No wonder poverty amongst blacks is high... fools like you quickly ascribe yourself importance that is not there..Rubbish ordinary mai guardi dey spew rubbish here.

raumdeuter:
This is pure garbage

Bush didnt go looking for war, Al Qaeda and terrorists brought war to him. if there was no 9-11 there wont be any war

Tell me what a president whose country was attacked by terrorists should do? Send them flowers and go on a apology tour?

And it was 9.11 that made him invade Iraq?Habaaa

happney65:
And it was 9.11 that made him invade Iraq?Habaaa

Yes. It was the fallout of 9-11 that made him invade Afghanistan and Iraq.

Before 9-11 tell me the countries Bush invaded

Missy89:
Blah blah blah. A clown trying to lecture American voters. How is illiteratehari working out for you?

Your opinion is irrelevant. Have a good day

Ahahahahahahahahahah..There they go,When you show them the truth to their faces,they go on a shouting tirade..I should not talk to American voter abi?I should keep quiet because it is America abi?While your country and your Party invades other countries and disturbs the peace of other countries..Ahahahahahahahahhaaha..Hypocrites..