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Re: How EFCC Can Win Corruption Cases In Court – Obasanjo by sammyj: 9:23am On Apr 10, 2017

Baba made my day. My own take is either EFCC lacks the man power as reported or they just sold off this cases for political reason!!! angry

Re: How EFCC Can Win Corruption Cases In Court – Obasanjo by Nobody: 9:23am On Apr 10, 2017

Customer80:
1999 constitution can't be used to fight corruption, draft a new constitution and corruption issues will diminish, there are loopholes in the present constitution

thank you, we can only succeed in corruption fight if all the loop holes in the Constitution are reviewed and removed

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Re: How EFCC Can Win Corruption Cases In Court – Obasanjo by AreaFada2: 9:25am On Apr 10, 2017

pressplay411:
But he knows that's not happening soon. That's long term solution. A short term solution would be for EFCC to have its own court and judge.

Presently we have no judiciary.
Politicians have bought them all.

The judiciary is still far better than FG, NASS, SGs and SHAs.

You can appeal court judgement in most cases. And judges are aware they'd be lambasted the higher court.
It is politicians that corrupt the judiciary. They appoint the judges at all levels.

The most corrupt part of the judiciary is the election tribunal & other election court cases. That is where politicians have the money to buy judges.

How many car snatchers or petty criminals can bribe judges? shocked

Re: How EFCC Can Win Corruption Cases In Court – Obasanjo by juman(m): 9:38am On Apr 10, 2017

seguno2:
The useless man talking should return our $16 billion for electricity and the Siemens plus Halliburton bribes he used to build Bells university and schools before we take him serious.

Re: How EFCC Can Win Corruption Cases In Court – Obasanjo by santosesq1(m): 9:39am On Apr 10, 2017

So obj u be d only saint in nija huh

DSC,NITEL,NNPC,ITT,NATIONAL STADIUM etc u don forget huh

Thank ur God Baba 70 Legend FeLa die else u for park leave nija with pmb.... Bcox the Owner fails to Catch the thief the thief calls the Owner thief......

Re: How EFCC Can Win Corruption Cases In Court – Obasanjo by mikeapollo: 9:39am On Apr 10, 2017

How many corruption cases did EFCC win under the useless Obasanjo? Very insignificant. Why didn't he use his unsolicited and incompetent advice to win cases when he was president?
The number of cases won by Ribadu was far below the number of cases won by Farida Waziri, for example.

EFCC under Obasanjo and Ribadu were only doing ''media trial''.
Very useless and clueless president.

Re: How EFCC Can Win Corruption Cases In Court – Obasanjo by juman(m): 9:43am On Apr 10, 2017

AreaFada2:
The judiciary is still far better than FG, NASS, SGs and SHAs.

You can appeal court judgement in most cases. And judges are aware they'd be lambasted the higher court.
It is politicians that corrupt the judiciary. They appoint the judges at all levels.

The most corrupt part of the judiciary is the election tribunal & other election court cases. That is where politicians have the money to buy judges.

How many car snatchers or petty criminals can bribe judges?

I agree with you.

Instead of clueless old man president and his apc government shouting about anti corruption around, he should do practical things, practical development for all to see.

Re: How EFCC Can Win Corruption Cases In Court – Obasanjo by Spidermon: 9:44am On Apr 10, 2017

All we are seeing is the inefficiency of the civil service. An institition based on nepotism, federal character and laziness.

So far they are getting salaries and bribes steady, Nigeria be damned.

There never was a war against corruption, only theatrics.

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Re: How EFCC Can Win Corruption Cases In Court – Obasanjo by wink2015(m): 9:45am On Apr 10, 2017

I agree with Obasanjo that the EFCC need competent and honest lawyer to win cases.

But the best remedy to all this problem involving looting of BIG MONEY from the national treasury by public office holder is for the federal government under President Muhammadu Buhari is to RESTRUCTURE the country politically, administratively and geographically.

There is too much money at the centre which the federal government can not competently manage creating opportunity for politician to loot.

There are too much money at the centre which politician waste away

Re: How EFCC Can Win Corruption Cases In Court – Obasanjo by juman(m): 9:46am On Apr 10, 2017

Until this government prosecute obasanjo to a logical conclusion, then nigerians would take the government serious.

That noise maker obasanjo led this destroyed country more than anybody else.

Re: How EFCC Can Win Corruption Cases In Court – Obasanjo by Bennycollins: 10:39am On Apr 10, 2017

No u don't get it. If the government loses a case, it means no funds were looted or failure to proof there was looting.

olujastro:
When the govt loses a court case, those who hate this govt always rush to scream "media trial". But when they win, the same haters get ashamed and hide their ugly faces to the EFCC's success. Truth is, in legal matters, you win some and lose some.
But I keep wondering... Is it not money that belongs to all the citizens of Nigeria that was looted? How come some are happy that criminals will keep their loots and walk free when others don't know where their next meal will come from?
Why has politics so blinded us to our suffering reality that we overlook it for people who don't care about you.
I expect every single Nigerian to always condemn corruption whether you hate the president or not. We should not be this shameless if we expect the country to become better in the near future.
Having said that, the only case where it looks like the judiciary gave corrupt judgement is the Justice Ademola's case which the F. G has appealed.

Re: How EFCC Can Win Corruption Cases In Court – Obasanjo by Jones4190(m): 10:48am On Apr 10, 2017

Analogy of OPPRESSOR & FOOLISH CITIZENS.
(A case study of Nigeria citizens & their elected oppressors).
During the Soviet dictatorship of Joseph Stalin. He was a
brutal dictator with mind of his own. On one fateful day,
Stalin came to Politburo meeting with a live chicken.
Standing in front of audience, He started to pluck the
feathers of the live chicken off one by one.
The chicken trembled in pain, blood tricking out of its pores.
It gave out grievous cries, but Stalin being a cruel dictator
continued without remorse plucking the feathers out until
the chicken was completely Unclad.
After which, he threw the chicken on the ground. The Unclad
chicken was staggering in pain. Stalin goes into his pocket
and from his pockets, he took out some chicken food and
started to throw it at the poor & hapless creature.
The poor chicken in pain started eating and Stalin started
walking towards his seat. As he walked away, he kept
dropping some feeds on the floor & the chicken followed
him and sat feeding from his feet.
Joseph Stalin then turned to members of his political party
leadership. He said, "This chicken represents the people".
"You must disempower them, brutalise them, beat them up,
starve them and then leave them".
"If you do this, go into your pocket & give them peanuts
when they are in that helpless and desperate situation, they
will blindly follow you for the rest of their life, worshiping
you".
"They will think you are a hero forever. They will forget that,
you're responsible for their sorrowful situation in the first
place."
Breath taking, isn't it ?
Now! Take a look at all the people some Nigerians are busy
defending on social media.
Take a look at those they call their heroes. They are the
same people who plunged Nigeria into the situation she is.
They are the same people who are responsible for their
predicaments.
Did you see the numbers of people that throng to Saraki's
House during this Sallah period to go collect peanuts?
People trooping to Bola Ahmed Tinubu Foundation offices to
collect branded One kilo bag of Rice & Noddles. Did you see
the number of people of all ages who troop out to welcome
Ex- convict James Ibori to South South!
Your guess is as good as mine.
Nigerians kill those they should defend and defend those
they should kill!
Pass to all your contacts & let your Political & Religion
Leaders read, understand & digest.

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Re: How EFCC Can Win Corruption Cases In Court – Obasanjo by OpinionCounts(m): 11:06am On Apr 10, 2017

..........poor country where criminals are celebrated as heroes. If EFCC were to do there job honestly and rightly without bias and sacred cows, believe me you will live the rest of your life in jail.

Re: How EFCC Can Win Corruption Cases In Court – Obasanjo by yadnus1(m): 11:09am On Apr 10, 2017

We cannot fight corruption with the existing Judiciary system. A special system should be formulated whereby a special court would be set up with the sole mandate of trying those accused of corruption.A specific time must be highlighted from the arresting time till the verdict pronouncement while the investigation process would be speed up as much as possible.

Re: How EFCC Can Win Corruption Cases In Court – Obasanjo by GreatZaza(m): 11:09am On Apr 10, 2017

why won't this anti corruption agencies have their own career lawyers, why won't they recruit from graduates and groom them as efcc lawyers. why must they be paying outside lawyers.
vote me come 2023, I am just in my early twenties there are lots of things we the youth have to correct either diplomatically or with brute force.
Mr Zaza for president 2023

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Re: How EFCC Can Win Corruption Cases In Court – Obasanjo by Jesusloveyou: 11:11am On Apr 10, 2017

cktheluckyman:
Is that an Euphemism for calling for a clampdown on Judges? You people subjected people to media trial without any shred of evidence and expect to win? Even if the Judges hate the suspects they will still walk.

Stop blaming the judiciary rather blame the incompetent and vindictive EFCC for going after people because there are corrupt rather because there are seen to be friends of the past government or critics of this present government.

which other evidence are you looking for again, that the money found in their acc is not for them.

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Re: How EFCC Can Win Corruption Cases In Court – Obasanjo by zanga420: 12:15pm On Apr 10, 2017

olujastro:
When the govt loses a court case, those who hate this govt always rush to scream "media trial". But when they win, the same haters get ashamed and hide their ugly faces to the EFCC's success. Truth is, in legal matters, you win some and lose some.
But I keep wondering... Is it not money that belongs to all the citizens of Nigeria that was looted? How come some are happy that criminals will keep their loots and walk free when others don't know where their next meal will come from?
Why has politics so blinded us to our suffering reality that we overlook it for people who don't care about you.
I expect every single Nigerian to always condemn corruption whether you hate the president or not. We should not be this shameless if we expect the country to become better in the near future.
Having said that, the only case where it looks like the judiciary gave corrupt judgement is the Justice Ademola's case which the F. G has appealed.

bros, nobody is supporting corruption. The concern is the government fooling us with 'fighting corruption' brouhaha. The same efcc fighting corruption, is the same enmeshed in recruitment fraud time after time. We've never seen them investigate and correct it. The same executive enmeshed in corrupt accusations.
Saraki, Dino and co are now cans of corruption cos the went against 'powers that be' to emerge Senate leaders. That's why Senate is now corrupt Senate? Then the executive is not corrupt executive? Continue fooling and deceiving us, you hear.
Lemme stop hear, I no get strength to talk.

Re: How EFCC Can Win Corruption Cases In Court – Obasanjo by Igba123: 1:33pm On Apr 10, 2017

Sanchez01:
Our judiciary is still as corrupt as the other arms. Having your own prosecution team is indeed the best way to winning.

Putting an end to media trial should as well cease so as to keep the element of surprise intact.

nooo! We enjoy demonising fellow nigerians cos it boost d image of d govt in d absence of Substantial achievemnts.

Re: How EFCC Can Win Corruption Cases In Court – Obasanjo by Igba123: 1:43pm On Apr 10, 2017

pressplay411:
But he knows that's not happening soon. That's long term solution. A short term solution would be for EFCC to have its own court and judge.

Presently we have no judiciary.
Politicians have bought them all.

Are u for real?

Re: How EFCC Can Win Corruption Cases In Court – Obasanjo by AntiWailer: 1:47pm On Apr 10, 2017

omofunaab:
What about the prosecuting agencies like DSS and EFCC.

are they really providing enough evidence to help these lawyers get a conviction?

And are you aware that mode of arrests and seizure also matters a lot. A good defense counsel can take advantage of this . If you don't follow the legal guidelines when making an arrest or freezing an account then definitely a good defense counsel will pick holes

That is why they need a competent Lawyer to advise them legally so they dnt screw his case up.

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Re: How EFCC Can Win Corruption Cases In Court – Obasanjo by Igba123: 1:57pm On Apr 10, 2017

olujastro:
When the govt loses a court case, those who hate this govt always rush to scream "media trial". But when they win, the same haters get ashamed and hide their ugly faces to the EFCC's success. Truth is, in legal matters, you win some and lose some.
But I keep wondering... Is it not money that belongs to all the citizens of Nigeria that was looted? How come some are happy that criminals will keep their loots and walk free when others don't know where their next meal will come from?
Why has politics so blinded us to our suffering reality that we overlook it for people who don't care about you.
I expect every single Nigerian to always condemn corruption whether you hate the president or not. We should not be this shameless if we expect the country to become better in the near future.
Having said that, the only case where it looks like the judiciary gave corrupt judgement is the Justice Ademola's case which the F. G has appealed.

Bros it is not u dat will establish dat a citizen has looted money but d court. When obj was investigating membets pf his govt who complained? Let d govt do d needful, i.e give d amount of media trials n demonisation, atleast, to her members as is being given to others. Look at orubebe case. He is as much a nigerian as buhari. What was his offence or is he holding ur money?

Re: How EFCC Can Win Corruption Cases In Court – Obasanjo by dangwarmai(m): 3:55pm On Apr 10, 2017

(un)fortunately ACJA is removing criminal prosecution from experienced 'lay prosecutors' Who used to floor even barristers. ISSOKAY. we are coming.

Re: How EFCC Can Win Corruption Cases In Court – Obasanjo by davidif: 6:20pm On Apr 10, 2017

kingphilip:
There are some people that gives advices and I'm like seriously?? Even you

The fight against corruption have been lost due to inadequate investigation to prove beyond reasonable doubts..

There's no way your claim will carry substance and it won't be evident that the judge is bias

Do your homework well and you'll be sure of amazing results

How will they even carry out weighty investigation when they're corruption ladened??

My brother I tire o. In yanki, the FBI in contrast has around a 95% conviction rate which mean say if they bust you, it is almost impossible to win the case because there investigation is so thorough eh? Even the super wealthy criminals still get convicted in the court of law.

Re: How EFCC Can Win Corruption Cases In Court – Obasanjo by davidif: 6:22pm On Apr 10, 2017

AntiWailer:
I have said this in several posts.

The lawyers are very incompetent.

Most of the cases they are losing are on technical ground.

That's what happens when you don't hire the best of the best.

Re: How EFCC Can Win Corruption Cases In Court – Obasanjo by davidif: 6:24pm On Apr 10, 2017

sammyj:
Baba made my day. My own take is either EFCC lacks the man power as reported or they just sold off this cases for political reason!!!

Or they failed to hire the very very best.

Re: How EFCC Can Win Corruption Cases In Court – Obasanjo by davidif: 6:35pm On Apr 10, 2017

GreatZaza:
why won't this anti corruption agencies have their own career lawyers, why won't they recruit from graduates and groom them as efcc lawyers. why must they be paying outside lawyers.
vote me come 2023, I am just in my early twenties there are lots of things we the youth have to correct either diplomatically or with brute force.
Mr Zaza for president 2023

Gbam! Someone who finally gets it. That's how the justice dept works in yanki. They hire the very best that They can find.

Even the FBI too is so good that it they bring a case against you it's almost as good as you being convicted already because they have around a 96% conviction rate. In other words, if they nab you then you are in biiiiiig trouble and it's because they take their time to do very thorough investigations. Some even take years. Look how they brought down the mafia, drug barons or recently, FIFA and currently they are even investigating the President of there own country, Donald Trump and his associates also. Now compare that to the EFCC. If I were Buhari, I would go look for former FBI directors to come and run the EFCC or the DSS cos it looks like those guys don't know how to conduct a proper investigation.

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Re: How EFCC Can Win Corruption Cases In Court – Obasanjo by Blue3k(m): 6:55pm On Apr 10, 2017

I think you guys hit on good points. The Federal government should hire it's own lawyers. It's not like we don't have the talent in ministry of justice all over the country. They should simply hire the best no quotas. Then before bringing cases to trial make sure they're air tight.

Like Davidif mentioned fbi gets high conviction rate because they essentially want you commit crimes for years building up case silently. An easy example I can give is Bobby Shmurda they state of New York had investigation on him for 3 yrs prior to his hit song.

Re: How EFCC Can Win Corruption Cases In Court – Obasanjo by ayobamiakinrind(m): 7:56am On Apr 11, 2017

olujastro:
When the govt loses a court case, those who hate this govt always rush to scream "media trial". But when they win, the same haters get ashamed and hide their ugly faces to the EFCC's success. Truth is, in legal matters, you win some and lose some.
But I keep wondering... Is it not money that belongs to all the citizens of Nigeria that was looted? How come some are happy that criminals will keep their loots and walk free when others don't know where their next meal will come from?
Why has politics so blinded us to our suffering reality that we overlook it for people who don't care about you.
I expect every single Nigerian to always condemn corruption whether you hate the president or not. We should not be this shameless if we expect the country to become better in the near future.
Having said that, the only case where it looks like the judiciary gave corrupt judgement is the Justice Ademola's case which the F. G has appealed.

I believe you didn't limit your scope of corruption to finance alone, if my assumption is right, then tell me what Babachir is still doing in Buhari's administration.

Re: How EFCC Can Win Corruption Cases In Court – Obasanjo by bobnatlo(m): 10:41pm On Apr 11, 2017

Sanchez01:
The fight against corruption would remain futile so long our judiciary remains the way it is. And the annoying thing is almost every lawyer has been bought just as majority of the judges who would readily preside over these cases. The FG should suspend its fight on other arms while it intensifies investigations of most judges, through the DSS and anti-graft agencies. Until then, we would keep running in a vicious cycle.

Guy I beg to disagree with u. Efcc n FG has the pay and connection to get any lawyer (both contracting outside and keeping some in-house) to defend any high profile corruption case in Nig.
When u have a very guud prosecution team u can conner and tie the hands of any judge. Even with GEJ in power was he able to push through with the certificate case against PMB b4 the elections?. Because APC was able to mobilise the best defence team from some of the best law chambers in d country mostly from south west.
Or have u seen any case in Nig that is lost when a team of many SANs ar involved? Justice Umar Danladi of CCT & PMB know much better about that. The worst is that u loose on lower courts, but at supreme court that is mainly controlled by d presidency and where cases a purely won on technical grounds. U will get what u want and even be sure of d courts to take ur case to.
YES I know Nig judges ar corrupt n take bribes but guy when d presidency n efcc are ready to stop this media trial bull$$hit and are ready to tidy their house. U will begin to hear something better. Not all judges lik money more than their carrer. after all d current cj of d federation was among d few that voted against PDP n yaradua over the later elections in 2007. So some judges ar even looking now to giv favorable judgement to FG for a better career course u know

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