₦airaland Forum

ElPhoche:
I don't know where you are coming from and I won't want to join words with you. It fails me that you find it difficult to read a written text well. I won't want to start arguing with you. Even when you graduate, Oga, you know less than 30% of even your dentistry. I guess there is no postgraduate training or consultancy again for dentists. You know everything abi?

sgtponzihater:
I withdrew my apologies because I know the truth now. Dental training very distinct yertotally different from that of a medical doctor (MBBS). Thus while dentists are doctors they remain dental doctors and cannot be called medical doctors even in the US and UK. It's still a matter of legislation even in some states abroad whether to regard them as doctors. Even the Dentists I know don't have as much self esteem as the ones here. When an uncle had an issue I asked a Dentist and he advised me to go to LUTH to see the medics that he is a dentist. Stop claiming what u are not. There was a post on Nairaland when nurses also claimed all the same training as medical doctors. Even the medicine and Surgery MB they write have different marking preference and sometimes cut off marks. And the practical part is either not done or not strict. I stand for the truth.

Sgt Ponzi Hater.

1- Your opinion is as inconsequential as the aftermath of the removal of your brain!
2- Nobody cares about your opinion! Can you remind me of who you are again?
3- The Healthcare system recognizes us!
4- Sensible people acknowledge us!

Again
*Nobody cares about your opinion, shove it down your ass and use lubrication while doing it so that you don't add more pain to your already tormented life.

sgtponzihater:
I withdrew my apologies because I know the truth now. Dental training very distinct yertotally different from that of a medical doctor (MBBS). Thus while dentists are doctors they remain dental doctors and cannot be called medical doctors even in the US and UK. It's still a matter of legislation even in some states abroad whether to regard them as doctors. Even the Dentists I know don't have as much self esteem as the ones here. When an uncle had an issue I asked a Dentist and he advised me to go to LUTH to see the medics that he is a dentist. Stop claiming what u are not. There was a post on Nairaland when nurses also claimed all the same training as medical doctors. Even the medicine and Surgery MB they write have different marking preference and sometimes cut off marks. And the practical part is either not done or not strict. I stand for the truth.

Sgt Ponzi Hater.

Omonoba1:
I never wanted to comment on the issue again but let me just enlighten you and your likes a bit.. Firstly, A Dentist (Dental Surgeon or Dental Doctor) is NOT a Medical Doctor(Physician) neither is a Physician a Dentist.. Both are professions demanding rigorous training geared towards caring for the whole Man soul and body. Thus to say, one is superior to the other is a fallacy which you keep making and people are trying to correct you as both are at par ANYWHERE in the world ;That is the reason the Physician you called told you Dentists are his colleagues. Secondly, ab initio you said Dentist are inferior to the physician and I would pardon your ignorance because you are neither in the Medical nor Dental profession.If you were a medical personnel, I would have said let's talk some Jargons.Dr Philip Ugbodaga (former NMA chairman, Edo state chapter) who was kidnapped last year on medical mission studied Dentistry,do you think he was going just to extract teeth or he would be made NMA Chairman if he wasn't at par with his medical counterparts? Most times, when you enter the accident and Emergency ward for example, there is always an Oral and Maxillofacial Surgeon attending to patients but due to ignorance, you assume everyone of them studied Medicine.. My Brother is a Neurosurgeon and I can tell you they perform a number of operation with their Oral and Maxillofacial Surgeon counterparts or you could also ask the ENT doctors too.. I don't like commenting on this kind of argument cos it ain't even a correct argument in the first place cos the physician and dentist know their stand and limits.. Taking the US as a case study, if you do the Six year residency program in OMS, you would be awarded an MD degree along too.. Thirdly, As for you saying the Dental student knows less than 30% of what medical students know, that's quite laughable because your level of intelligence in med/dent school depends on how you devote your time to study. Bring the medical student and the dental student that is of same level, let them discuss.. You can google Linda Iheme who made frontpage some time ago, and see how she dusted the med guys in her class.. The reason most dental students/personel wouldn't comment on the thread is because the argument is childish.. this is my last reply on this thread, and the internet is always there to learn things about any profession.. It seems you know the truth but just enjoys arguments but If you still don't feel satisfied to call a Dentist 'Doctor', The next time you see a Dentist,just call him/her a 'Mr'. I guess that would be okay. But if your relation/you is treated by them like the pix attached, you can now call them a Doctor!
Shalom!!!

sgtponzihater:
You answered my argument in all sincerity and God bless u for that. My major argument was that dental doctors and medical doctors (physicians) are different but most presumed dentist in the house shyed away from that or kept arguing that they are no different. Secondly I never mentioned percentage knowledge because I don't know for sure the details of both curriculums. Also I know several medical condition from symptoms to management but doesn't make me say we are all the same. My only though was thinking dentistry was an easier course but I have been corrected. Finally the same dentist friend told me OMS is the bridge between dentistry and medicine and that most dentist who were facinated with core medical practice but couldn't get thru rigorous GMC or USMLE requirement opt for OMS and interact with physicians more. Hope this is right.

JummyForReal:
The more I read this thread, the more I get confused, is @omonoba saying that the person who specializes in cardiothoraxic surgery, urology, neurosurgery, orthopaedic, pediatrics or gynecology etc are medical doctors while persons who specialize in oral and maxillofacial surgery, oral medicine, periodontology, oral and maxillofacial Pathology etc are not medical doctors even though all of them maintain or restore HUMAN health by counselling, use of drugs or surgery by making diagnosis and treating human diseases, ailments, injuries, pain and other conditions? Please, throw more light on this. Because, the way you explained here, it's like dentistry is more rigorous than medicine going by the way you explain here( double work they do in the University). My uncle who is a consultant in a specialty under dentistry was telling me that all dental surgeons are medical doctors but not all medical doctors are dental surgeons. He also said all urologists are medical doctors but not all medical doctors are urologists. Also, he said all cardiothoraxic surgeons are medical doctors but not all medical doctors are cardiothoraxic surgeons etc etc etc I don't know the perspective in which he is looking at it. Or is it just nomenclature problem? Please more light? Thanks. I m not any though

Mikolion87:
you never mentioned percentage knowledge because you never knew for sure, and yet you were too quick to say Medicine is for the smart ones and probably dentistry is for the dull ones I guess and also trying to compare Dentistry with nursing. My advice is never come to a public forum and be too quick to argue what you don't know. Running from Pillar to Post calling one dentist or another for info and yet ignoring the breakdown of academic curriculum given here by some dentists does not show that you sincerely wanted to learn about dentistry and what it entails. You still need to re-apologize for insulting dental surgeons

And let me throw more light if you care to know. By virtue of training at an undergraduate level, "Medical doctors" and dental surgeons are not really entirely different just as I have elucidated earlier (you can go to a medical school and confirm). They are at par. But if you mean different by virtue of their area of expertise, yes they are. It's just like asking, is a gynaecologist same with a psychiatrist? No, they are not. A dentist is a surgeon not a physician. Same way an ophthalmologist is a surgeon not a physician. A neurosurgeon is a surgeon not a physician. Surgeons are different from physicians but they can all be called "medical" doctors by virtue of their knowledge and training in medicine. It's only but a nomenclature. What really distinguishes them is what they do, cardiologist, gastroenterology, neurologist... Are Physicians not surgeons. Orthopaedic surg,neurosurg, ophthalmologist,urologist, dentist are all Surgeons not Physicians. I hope I'm clear enough

DrSuleiman100:
I have told you to stop dignifying that ignorant ponzihater by replying him. He is just unnecessarily constituting nuisance here. His abysmally low IQ does not allow him to know the factors that determines the cutoff marks for admission. I even doubt he passed through a university. Even a primary school pupil knows that the number of candidates that opt for a particular course which in turn depends on level of awareness of that course by people with available facilities to train effectively determine the cut off marks. Despite all evidence, screenshot, pictures and Internet links, he still doesn't understand. You must tell me the school you attended and your grade.
Ponzihater, constituting nuisance on a public forum.

sgtponzihater:
So if one did not study medicine , dentistry or any of all the shitty paramedical courses then he couldn't aachieve anything in life? no wonder doctors are committing suicide and dentist are disillusioned. Doctors collect #500perhour and u feel it's a thing of pride, while private practice for dentists are so limited they pray for government jobs or earn 70k per month and have to wear ties and a white coat on it. In my next world I would love to be a doctor but not in Nigeria because I have no regard for medical practice in Nigeria.

sgtponzihater:
I maintain that medical doctors are generally more intelligent than dentists though very few outliers. Never in the history of any University has the cutoff mark of Dentistry been higher than medicine. I personally advice a not so smart kid to put in Dentistry and he got the admission When medicine cut off was 305, dentistry was 250. They can never be the same course. If not they would have studied the same first degree them specialise. People who designed the course made it so. I know what I am saying. Don't decieve the public. Medical student write the same MCQs with those doing masters in pharmacology does it make them claim masters degree too. A dentist claiming medical doctor is gross quackery because unsuspecting patient put their life in their hands. A cardiothoracic surgeon can still say he is a medical doctor or physician because his first degree qualifies him to do so. It's not same at all for a dentist.

Sgt Ponzi Hater.

Mikolion87:
Gaining admission to study Medicine or Dentistry is NOT what qualifies one as being intelligent, but graduating. Many who got admission with very high scores end up failing out of Medicine/Dentistry.
In Nigeria, much people do not know anything about Dentistry but people are increasingly becoming aware and in no distant time, it will also become very competitive. Even some who choose Dentistry do not know what they are getting into until they commence study and realise that they have to step up their game to succeed in the medical and dental programmes. Getting admission is not the main thing. It's a matter of publicity. It is only a retard who will say a doctor who wrote MBBS exams and has an acceptable knowledge of medicine in surgery is not qualified to be called a "Medical Doctor" (it is for the same reason that D.Os in the U.S are called Medical doctors). But then, dentists are comfortable with being referred to as Dental surgeons. That does not make it out of place if one refers oneself as Medical doctor,because they are (atleast,Nigerian trained dentists).

You keep looking for any loophole to discredit dental surgeons. You've been prooven wrong in all of your insinuations about them and now you've drifted to the admission requirement. Who knows what next you'll come up with. But I have the patience to cure you of your ignorance. I just hope you're not just jealous of them. Because Dentists deserve the attention they are getting and they remunerations, they paid for it with hardwork and sweat and 'blood' while in medical and dental school.
Next..#smiles

sgtponzihater:
Non of my statement is wrong. Writing MBBS exams is nothing. Does your certificate say medicine and surgery? Dental surgeon abroad are also very vast even more than Nigerians ones in The basic medical sciences, medicine and surgery and pathology yet are satisfied as dental surgeons or dental physicians. Yet u claim a medical doctor that you are not. You are the reason why health care in Nigeria is backward and I advise people to seek care abroad. Last year a Dentist was arrested for pretending to be a medical doctor and swidling unsuspecting clients and his license seized yet we have deluded fellow like you tolling his line. Can u legally consult in a cardiology clinic, or an infectious disease clinic or neurology clinic or provide obstetric care, the answer is definitely no and thus you are not a medical doctors because even MBBS graduates without specialisation can work legally in those places, like I have a very bright cousin working at the national dialysis centre, yet ur BDS and the medicine u claimed to study can't get u to work there in all legality. Your claiming medical doctor without license to be a medic thus makes u a quack.

Let me educate u abit if u would learn because I am an intellectual giant. You can't work in the health sector without being exposed to some of the common conditions in the hospital, that's why nurses do pharmacology not so they prescribe but so they know. At ur undergraduate level your medicine and surgery is purely academic it's not meant for working purpose and at the post-graduate level the medicine and surgery is to know the relationship between medical and dental conditions. Eg Dental health and diabetes, CLD and dentition. Or percieving an acetone breath and quickly referring to an endocrinologist for DKA.


Dentists are great people and can make great doctors because I have had scaling and polishing 3times and tooth extraction twice but they clearly told me they were dentists and if I had any issue I should see the medics. The one on nairaland are disillusioned like one who told me he regrets reading dentistry because it is quite boring except OMS.

Finally I can fit more as a quack based on my level of knowledge but I won't deceive people like you claiming medical doctor.

Sgt Ponzi Hater.

Mikolion87:
Keep cooking up stories to support your exaggerated claims. I know all these things.. Lol. A dentist cannot be arrested for 'claiming' to be a medical doctor because he is one. Show us the link let's see it (unless he is a dental technologist). But of course I know you're lying. You don't need to do that to support your claims.
Even a partent medicine dealer ("chemist" who did not go to school knows how to prescribe and does so, let alone dental surgeon who went to medical school and is a doctor.

Just like I said earlier on, every dignified doctor practices his field with pride and refers cases which are not in his area of expertise. The reason they are all passed through medicine is to be able to recognize diseases and refer appropriately. That's why they are medical doctors. Likewise dentists.

And, oh.. Lest I forget.. Even as students, dental students clerk patients and perform physical examinations on them in every unit in medicine and surgery during their postings. And perhaps you may have come across resident dental surgeons in cardiology unit or anyother medical unit, without even knowing they are dentists.. If the law does not permit that, they won't rotate in other fields of medicine and see patients too.

Biko, there's no need calling me names na.. It's beginning to look childish. But again, keep exposing those ignorance. I have the patience to cure them.

sgtponzihater:
Resident dental surgeons in Cardiology unit do nothing I mean nothing but mope around like lost kid.

Comparing urself to a patent medicine dealer and asserting their legality to prescribe makes u I'll educated or passes u off as a student who is still struggling with exams. I assume the later so it won't be ur education was wasted. Even in Ghana a pharmacist can't buy prescription drug without a medical doctors signature but u obviously glory in our delapidated system.

I am Sgt Ponzo Hater.

Mikolion87:
Maybe you've seen resident doctors (dentists) who mope.. I've seen those who don't. Dentists are legally permitted by law to prescribe drugs everywhere in the world. They also do surgeries.. Prescription is meant for only doctors (medic and dents) so there's no regret or shame whatsoever. If you fail to recognize them as doctors, it does not add or take anything away from their prestige or salary.. It's very obvious you're jealous. But, see.. It's never easy to bear the title Doctor. There's a price to pay. Whether I'm a student or not, I have paid that price #smiles . Are you a doctor? I doubt.

sgtponzihater:
Every statement i have made are factual and correct as at 2017. The students or dentist here are only using MBBS exams as their cover. What a shame. When dentistry is now even claiming a different faculty to faculty of medicine in Universities. Life is funny. But I remain Sgt Ponzi Hater.

sgtponzihater:
Every statement i have made are factual and correct as at 2017. The students or dentist here are only using MBBS exams as their cover. What a shame. When dentistry is now even claiming a different faculty to faculty of medicine in Universities. Life is funny. But I remain Sgt Ponzi Hater.

sgtponzihater:
In conclusion

1. Can a general hospital employ a dentistand keep him in their MOPD since he is a "medical doctor": yes or no

2. Can a Hospital keep a dentist in their dialysis unit as a member of the medical team there since he is a "medical doctor"

3. Can a dentist be accepted to do residency in pathology since he did MBBS exams in Pathology

4. Can a neurology hospital employ a dentist as one of its medical officers.

5. Are dentist referred to as medical officers or as dental officers in the government sector?

6. Can a medical doctor do residency in Oral Pathology or Pedodontics.

From the above a dentist can never practice as a medical officer or be employed in the stead of a medical officer vice versa.

And to answer the OP dentistry no better and is less more challenging than medicine. It is also a boring course and causes inferiority complex and quackery in Nigeria. It's pay scale is equal or sometimes greater than medical doctors however medicine has a lot of reward and respect and being a medical officer is a thing of pride. The dental officers are always built a small shark at the back of hospitals to pull out teeths and scale tooths.

Make your choice with the fact that all courses are important and everyone can't be a doctor. Also know that some of us are smarter than doctors and dentists and many of them hide under the illusion of their white coat.

Without those courses u cab and will be rich.

Sgt Ponzi Hater

2017

sgtponzihater:
In conclusion

1. Can a general hospital employ a dentistand keep him in their MOPD since he is a "medical doctor": yes or no

2. Can a Hospital keep a dentist in their dialysis unit as a member of the medical team there since he is a "medical doctor"

3. Can a dentist be accepted to do residency in pathology since he did MBBS exams in Pathology

4. Can a neurology hospital employ a dentist as one of its medical officers.

5. Are dentist referred to as medical officers or as dental officers in the government sector?

6. Can a medical doctor do residency in Oral Pathology or Pedodontics.

From the above a dentist can never practice as a medical officer or be employed in the stead of a medical officer vice versa.

And to answer the OP dentistry no better and is less more challenging than medicine. It is also a boring course and causes inferiority complex and quackery in Nigeria. It's pay scale is equal or sometimes greater than medical doctors however medicine has a lot of reward and respect and being a medical officer is a thing of pride. The dental officers are always built a small shark at the back of hospitals to pull out teeths and scale tooths.

Make your choice with the fact that all courses are important and everyone can't be a doctor. Also know that some of us are smarter than doctors and dentists and many of them hide under the illusion of their white coat.

Without those courses u cab and will be rich.

Sgt Ponzi Hater

2017

Answer these questions objectively Mikolion

Mikolion87:
very funny. After reading all my posts, I believe the OP knows better and can't be educated by someone who is still confused, someone who will apologize and retract his apologies.. Showing he is very confused. The OP is far better than you because he wants to learn and has not claimed to know anything about the two courses.

The OP by now should have been enlightened about the academic requirement to be a Dental surgeon, and must have known that dentists are specialist medical doctors (dental surgeons) who graduates with a BDS degree. A dentist has already choosen his area of specialty right from undergraduate level, studying medicine alongside his area, and is eligible to do postgraduate only within this area.

In summary, Dentistry can be considered as an area of specialty of medicine which you commence at an undergraduate level under the Faculty of Dentistry but not in dissociation from the Faculty of Medical Science. When you graduate, you become a dental surgeon and a Doctor. MBBS graduates have their confined areas to specialize in, likewise BDS graduates. Both cannot delve into the others' area.

In Public service, every doctor practice their area of specialty be it in Medicine or Dentistry, except those who are yet to specialize and who are hoping to do so,hence doing GP(general practice).
A dentist practices dentistry because that is his area of expertise and does not need to be employed in a neurology hospital or any other specialty, just as an MBBS doctor cannot be employed in a dental/maxillofacial hospital because it's not their area of expertise. An ENT surgeon cannot be a consultant in ophthalmology.....But because they all deal with the human body whether a part of it (as the dental surgeons) or all of it(as the GPs), and treat ailments medically or even surgically.. They are all medical doctors.

The issue of being refered to as Medical officer or Dental officer is a non-issue at all, it shows the dental surgeons followed a different path towards becoming Doctors. "Dental" signifies an area of expertise. If they are not medical doctors as well, the dentists will never be allowed to be CMDs of Government Hospitals. "CMD" signifies Chief MEDICAL Director. Only MBBS and BDS Doctors are allowed to be CMDs. Also Dentists have been Chairman of NMA which means "Nigerian MEDICAL Association". Also, the former President of the West African College of Surgeons was a Dentist.. And for the fact that they are paid under the same salary scale CONMESS (Conslidated Medical salary scale).. I could go on but let me stop here.

Now, for the purpose of those asking same question as the OP.Studying Dentistry is not easy, but practicing it is financially rewarding and gratifying. It is not as stressful as some fields of medicine during practice and hence gives one work and life balance. Who wouldn't need that? Same can also be said of some specialties of Medicine like dermatology, radiology,public health psychiatry etc. It all depends on what you want. But none the less, Dentistry is cannot be said to be less challenging as dental surgeons perform life changing surgeries beyond the teeth. Apart from medically treating oral and mucosal lesions, they perform reconstructive surgeries on the face and jaws to correct fractures of these areas and also tumours. For the mention, it is a Dentist (Maxillofacial surgeon) who performed the first facial transplant, by name Prof Bernard Devauchelle.So judge for yourself if it is challenging or not. It is even more challenging than some medical specialties. But after all said, they are all Doctors. No one feels inferior to the other because they are graded the same and paid same salary.

And as for your last comment about dentists building a small shark at d back of the hospital.. It's funny though. I won't reply that because it's flows from the hatred for dentists you have which is obvious. Anyone can see that. My exposition has done justice to that already.

sgtponzihater:
No jealousy because I could study all the courses or specialty you mention because I have the mental capacity. I am however appaled that I know the intricacy of your course more than you.

JummyForReal:
Haba Mr ponzihater ...you said a dental surgeon cannot do the work of neurologist, nephrologists for dialysis, pathologist, and you also said government cannot employ dental surgeon to run MOPD and they cannot do residency in those specialties. on the other hand you said those that read medicine cannot run oral pathology, periodontics , oral medicine, prosthodontics, and oral and maxillofacial clinics. Going by that, one can infer that no one is a superior and therefore no one is a super Doctor but expert in their various specialties. you also said dental doctor earn the same salary or more money than their medical counterpart. I think that makes dentistry more superb and more encouraging. You now claimed that those that are in cardiology, dialysis, MOPD, neurology etc earn more respect prestige than those that read dentistry. I think their is no basis for that. if I have neurological problem and I m treated by a neurologist, My respect goes to him. also if I have maxillofacial problem and I m treated by a dental surgeon, My respect goes to him. I think that is how we should look at it. with due respect Mr ponzi hater, No one is superior. And both of them are doctors. But the truth is that medicine is more popular than dentistry worldwide and this has contributed to it competitiveness when looking for admission go study medicine. but most people ,I believe, are not aware of dentistry. few that know about it think dentistry is all about teeth which is not.
I may want to conclude from the facts on ground that dentistry is better, with due and much respect to those other specialties. this is because there is nothing that those that read medicine enjoy that dental surgeon don't enjoy. salary, prestige, respect and same opportunity to head any medical posts, hospitals and also to attain any medical peak as consultant and professor with same salaries and allowances. Mr ponzihater ,it's obvious that dental surgeon can make more and more money than their medical counterparts.
I enjoyed your criticism and argument against dentistry. eventhough, the argument has shown more beautiful and sweet parts of dentistry. intact anybody that stumbles on this thread will now like dentistry The more.

JummyForReal:
Haba Mr ponzihater ...you said a dental surgeon cannot do the work of neurologist, nephrologists for dialysis, pathologist, and you also said government cannot employ dental surgeon to run MOPD and they cannot do residency in those specialties. on the other hand you said those that read medicine cannot run oral pathology, periodontics , oral medicine, prosthodontics, and oral and maxillofacial clinics. Going by that, one can infer that no one is a superior and therefore no one is a super Doctor but expert in their various specialties. you also said dental doctor earn the same salary or more money than their medical counterpart. I think that makes dentistry more superb and more encouraging. You now claimed that those that are in cardiology, dialysis, MOPD, neurology etc earn more respect prestige than those that read dentistry. I think their is no basis for that. if I have neurological problem and I m treated by a neurologist, My respect goes to him. also if I have maxillofacial problem and I m treated by a dental surgeon, My respect goes to him. I think that is how we should look at it. with due respect Mr ponzi hater, No one is superior. And both of them are doctors. But the truth is that medicine is more popular than dentistry worldwide and this has contributed to it competitiveness when looking for admission go study medicine. but most people ,I believe, are not aware of dentistry. few that know about it think dentistry is all about teeth which is not.
I may want to conclude from the facts on ground that dentistry is better, with due and much respect to those other specialties. this is because there is nothing that those that read medicine enjoy that dental surgeon don't enjoy. salary, prestige, respect and same opportunity to head any medical posts, hospitals and also to attain any medical peak as consultant and professor with same salaries and allowances. Mr ponzihater ,it's obvious that dental surgeon can make more and more money than their medical counterparts.
I enjoyed your criticism and argument against dentistry. eventhough, the argument has shown more beautiful and sweet parts of dentistry. intact anybody that stumbles on this thread will now like dentistry The more.

sgtponzihater:
I maintain that medical doctors are generally more intelligent than dentists though very few outliers. Never in the history of any University has the cutoff mark of Dentistry been higher than medicine. I personally advice a not so smart kid to put in Dentistry and he got the admission When medicine cut off was 305, dentistry was 250. They can never be the same course. If not they would have studied the same first degree them specialise. People who designed the course made it so. I know what I am saying. Don't decieve the public. Medical student write the same MCQs with those doing masters in pharmacology does it make them claim masters degree too. A dentist claiming medical doctor is gross quackery because unsuspecting patient put their life in their hands. A cardiothoracic surgeon can still say he is a medical doctor or physician because his first degree qualifies him to do so. It's not same at all for a dentist.

Sgt Ponzi Hater.