₦airaland Forum

donborg:
constitution my foot. we igbos reject the constitution of a fulani man in jesus name. amen

bantudra:
its like going to a police station and saying you dont believe in the laws of the police officers...

you would be in big trouble if you try that in their face...

donborg:
lemme explain better, why are you people hell bent on destroying ipob for inside

bantudra:
its like going to a police station and saying you dont believe in the laws of the police officers...

you would be in big trouble if you try that in their face...

bantudra:
its like going to a police station and saying you dont believe in the laws of the police officers...

you would be in big trouble if you try that in their face...

donborg:
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you still have a chance solong nigeria still practice democracy....but the day military rule returns,then that door will be closed.
setting nations against nigeria is a very bad idea....nigeria will only become more militaristic....and i think that will happen sooner than later..capital punishment is back....the longer kanu stays in prison,the more the chance will grow that he will be sentenced to death....

understand who you are dealing with here....nigeria is not some backwater black nation in africa.....
we have tribes here that only understand how to fight and quarrel...

you think the yorubas,hausas,isokos,urhobos,tivs,sultanates,obas,emirs will go easy on you because you mention western nations....??. quit this ur mind games. do u think it is easy to do a coup now? or easier to kill the leader of 70 million igbos all over the world. u must be high on sumting.

modik:
Wise men are always from the East. If you care to know, we are Easterners. Google or rather dictionary is your friend.

For your information, this is the last response for you on this matter. Good day.

bantudra:
we dont have to do much..ipob will destroy itself....its up to igbos to believe ipob and declare war on nigeria....

donborg:
you do you people want war by all means?

bantudra:
well..you want to test our resolve......nigeria can not be divided..no chance...

we are ready to even declare war on america and perish than allow biafra to exist on nigerian soil....

donborg:
by all means necessary......hahahahahahahahahaha. maybe nigeria should start by killing nnamdi kanu, then u can have your war

bantudra:
if the law sentence him to death then you can not call us murderers....ntor....

haryomikun:
you're very right sir. I hope that day never comes though.

slurryeye:
I'm glad you brought up the issue of Emeka Ojukwu joining the military as a Non Commissioned Officer despite being a Masters graduate. But there are some things you don't know that I will be glad to explain. See, when C.O Ojukwu returned to Nigeria after finishing his Masters from Oxford, he didn't join the Army immediately. He first worked in the civil service as administrative office for about 2 years. In 1957, he decided to leave civil service and join military because of his father's influence in his civil service career. He wanted to become a man free of his father's influence, and he believed the best way to go about it was to become a soldier. His father wasn't happy with the decision, and knows Emeka Ojukwu temperament wasn't good for a soldier. in order to discourage him, his father pulled string with the then governor general of Nigeria Macpherson to prevent him from being listed as Officer cadet which explain the reason why Chukwuemeka Ojukwu joined the army as an NCO. His father and Macpherson thought that he cannot withstand the rigorous NCO schedule and that he will later leave the army but Emeka persevered. He will however get commissioned when he was recommended by a british depot commander after he corrected a drill sergeant for mispronunciation of a word (element of boldness and pride he has always displayed). Sir Louis Ojukwu (Emeka Ojukwu's father) believed in one Nigeria and made his millions from one Nigeria. Many historians believe that if his father was alive, Emeka Ojukwu wouldn't have declared secession in 1967. His father died in 1966, a year before Chukwuemeka declared Biafra.

dragonking3:
If you are truely a christian you will know that the division is inevitable just the same way the children of Israel seceded from the Egypt, south Nigeria will secede from the north. Also take note that God didn't join us together, the British did.

donborg:
you miss the whole point. while it is true that ojukwu would be courtmartialled and killed if caught, gowon would have struck a deal with him to drop biafra agitation in exchange for his freedom in spite of his sins because the right of self determination is a universal human right that anyone can always take up if you feel u dont want to be a part of a union. have u asked urself why buhari arrested ojukwu in 1983 despite not being a politician? it was pure blackmail. and ojukwu was not courageous enough to resist the blackmail by sacrificing his liberty and freedom for biafra so he dropped the biafran agitation once and for all which in turn made biafran agitation to fall apart until nnamdi kanu started it again. dont u see the way nnamdi kanu carries himself in court as if he is buhari's mate? it is because he knows that unlike ojukwu, he committed no crime by demanding the right of self determination. do you now see why ojukwu's death is a blessing?

lightblazingnow:
Never ever

lightblazingnow:
Never ever

Ojiofor:
Unfortunately Nigeria is like a company managed by rogues so its inevitable that such a company will fold up in due time.

pchukwudi:
Could you just read your bolded conclusion again and tell me how it makes sense in the context of your own narrative?

If Zik could not stop Biafra, what sort of dull historians could think that the man who could not stop his own son from joining the army when he was barely a man, could suddenly stop him from doing one thing the vast majority of his people had mandated him to do within the context of 1967?

Until you realize that 1967 Biafra declaration was more of an ideological reaction than a premeditated choice prior to 1967, you'd keep missing the point.

The structure of today's Nigeria (which, by the way, was implemented shortly before the war in order to subjugate the old Easterners) is a world apart from what it was in 1967 - just 7 years after independence. So quit interpreting the actions/reactions of 1967 from the lenses of 2017.

It does not make sense.

Ojukwu’s disagreement with Gowon was not for any selfish reason. It was as a result of his insistence in seeing to it that the right thing was done.

And for all his selfless services to the country, what did Ojukwu get in return??

His people were massacred in their numbers in the North. Their shops were burnt and as a vindictive man, Gowon refused to do anything to stop the Igbo pogrom. Nigerian soldiers were not just unable to stop the Igbo killing, they actively took part in it just as they are currently doing even as I write this. Seeing to it that the Igbos were annihilated became Nigeria’s ‘One-Point-Agenda’

And what did Ojukwu do then??

He sued for peace. He made several effort to get the Gowon-led govt to protect the Igbos living in the North. Gowon gave him assurances and relying on these assurances, the Eze-Igbo Gburugburu assured Igbos who came back from the North as a result of the killings to go back to the North. How was he to know that the assurances he got from Gowon was like a promise of friendship made to the chicks by the hawk. The pogrom continued and most of those who went back to the North following Ojukwu’s assurance which was sourced from Gowon, came back to Ala-Igbo in body bags.

Even then, Ojukwu still didn’t declare Biafra. He still felt he could get the Gowon-led govt to stop killing thesame people it was meant to protect.

Ojukwu later succeeded in getting Gowon to put his signature on a draft agreement detailing several reforms that would not only see to the end of the Igbo pogrom but equally stop a re-occurrence in future. This event took place in Aburi, Ghana. But the Nigerian side came back home and reneged on the agreement. And the ethnic cleansing targeted at the Igbos leaving in the North yet continued.

Please, do not say because you read this from Charles Ogbu, therefore, it must be true. Do your own independent verification of everything I’ve written here. These are all verifiable facts. Google is still reachable.

Ojukwu never wanted to secede from Nigeria. It was Nigeria which pushed him away and almost sent his Igbo people into extinction. Ojukwu made several attempts to find a peaceful way out of the terrible situation. He pursued the peaceful approach but Gowon and co rubbished every of his peace effort including the most popular Aburi Accord where they drank and hugged each other only for the plateau state-born then young soldier, Yakubu Gowon to still refuse to implement the Aburi Accord.

It was after all of Ojukwu’s peace attempts were resisted by the Gowon-led govt in the face of the continued govt-sponsored killing of Igbos in the North that the Eastern General Assembly mandated the Oxford trained Governor-General of the then Eastern region, Col. Chukwuemeka Dim Odumegwu Ojukwu to declare the Eastern region as the Republic Of Biafra in a bid to protect the Igbo race from being annihilated.

Isn’t it criminally offensive that an average OneNigeria advocate would blame Ojukwu for declaring Biafra in a bid to protect his people from murderers, rapists and vampires but would neither blame those northerners whose insatiable bloodlust led to the death of thousands of Igbos which was what forced Ojukwu to declare Biafra in the first place nor blame Yakubu Gowon and co who used the instrumentalities of the govt to aide and abet those northern barbarians rather than protect the Igbos

slurryeye:
Let me explain why I believe that the war might have not happened if Emeka Ojukwu's father was alive in 1967. First of all, his father didn't stop him from joining the army, he only tried to discourage him from joining the army which is what a reasonable father will do having sent his son to the UK to obtain his BSc and MSc from prestigious schools. But since Emeka persisted in becoming a soldier, what any good father will do is to leave him and allow him to follow his heart desire which explained the reason why the 2 didn't have a sour relationship till his father demise. Trust me, if Sir Louis wanted to stop his son by all cost from joining the army, he will do it. We are talking of a man that was arguably the richest man in Nigeria then. A man that wined and dined with power that be in pre-independent and independent Nigeria. Secondly, don't compare Zik influence to his father influence. Zik was just an influential political figure from his tribe while his father made him who he was. As a matter of fact, he decided to join the military because he wanted to set a legacy free from his father influence. He wanted to be remembered in history as Chukwuemeka Odumegwu Ojukwu and not as son of Sir Louis Odumegwu Ojukwu. Whether you like him or not, he did set a legacy that would be remembered for a long time. Lastly, which is the most critical reason was that if his father was alive, Chukwuemeka wouldn't have had access to massive wealth that he used to finance the war. Believe me, war is a very expensive endeavor. After his death in 1966, Sir Louis left a huge amount of money that I'm quite sure will be up to billions of dollars in today's market value. So an intelligent, bold but proud 32 year old Chukwuemeka with military training and control of a region of the country with such massive amount of wealth at his disposal believed he had what it takes to fight a war. I have to give it to him, he did hold his ground against a national army. But like I always say, the war was very unnecessary and egoistic. Without his father's death, the only way the war could have happened was if Sir Louis supported the secession 100%. And trust me, I believe he won't have supported it because not only did he believe in one Nigeria, he actually became wealthy as a result of the creation called Nigeria.

obiezed:
The innocent Eastern officers who had nothing to do with Nzeogwu's coup who were killed were given a chance sure??you are the one who misses the entire plot,
Ojukwu was an Ex-Nigerian soldier, he would have tried according to Martial Law,Nnamdi KANU is not and cannot be so tried.
If you think immediately after the war,he would have been spared,you are definitely on a very long thing.
P.s Ojukwu never agitated for Biafra,in his case ,it was a resppnsibility thrust upon him.thats why no igbo who lived thru the war blames him for it.stop miscontruing simple history.the Man lived and died believing he tried tthe best he could for his people,thats why he's remembered as a hero.
Prior to Nnamdi kanu,there were 2 other Biafran agitations, Nnamdi just took the cake because of his nasty,vitriolic rhetorics.I don't approve of his style but hey,he got the nation's attention.
Ojukwu's courage or not,is well documented,his exploits from childhood to his military service to leading his army into battle from the front as in case of the Oguta skirmish. What is your own story??,leave a dead man alone with his.

pchukwudi:
You are smart but arrogant. Thus you failed to show that knowledge is wide apart from experience, and facts differ from opinion.

Your argument is therefore a pure pile of highly opinionated conjecture that's devoid of facts, yet deceitfully presented as factual. That's not just criminal, it's extremely offensive.

As an Igbo person, I find the following lie of yours super annoying:



I seriously think it's only chronic insanity that would trigger an educated person to spew the above sweeping falsehood about a region she was not born in, lived in, or got fully integrated with. This same Easterners have been saying for over 50 years now that they want to be left alone in that same "erosion prone soil". They went to war to defend the soveringnity of that eroded soil. Can't you see how insane pathetic your little rationalization about "poor and erosion prone soil" sounds here?

It's super insane to even imagine that erosion could be the reason why igbos migrate to other parts of the world (not just the few in other parts of Nigeria) in droves. Can you seriously imagine a sane educated person saying that erosion, earthquake or terrorism is the reason we have more Jews living outside the Jewish state of Isreal?

Anyway, another fallacy in your deceitful argument is the suggestion that homogeneity is not critical to nation building. On that note, I will just make the following three assertions and implore you to counter them.

1. Ethnic Cultural, social and ideological homogeneity, combined, is the single most critical factor for the continued success of each European state as a distinct soverign unit. And that's in spite of the recent invasion of cultural marxism.

2. The only parts of the developed economies where you don't have a deep-seated social crisis raging right now are those places where there's stronger homogeneity.

3. In all indices of human and societal development, homogeneous nations are much more stable and prosperous than their diverse counterparts.

Only devious intent could compel you to disregard the above assertions in favor of one insanely diverse Nigeria.

Even the foreign authors of the sysyem called Freakonomics or "How to Think Like a Freak" found that the major reason for relentless social crisis in Africa is the fact that colonial masters shared and merged many inreconcilable cultures like they would share and merge a piece of pie without any regards for the indegineous PEOPLE in those diverse cultures.

Thus, in my opinion, the least honest thing you could do now is to lend your voice to the push for referendum.

Let those who want to be Nigerians remain Nigerians, and let those who want out be allowed to go out. Unity stops being unity when the united are forced to stick together.

Zik and co. made the same argument you are making right now some decades ago, yet the nation has grown much more divisive than it had ever been.

Do you really think we are going to spend eternity speculating about the merits of one Nigeria?

Why is it so darn hard to shut down a system that has failed to work in 100 years?

Is this some kind of cult nation or something?

Sorry, but I seriously get pissed when I see an educated person arguing to force people to uphold an unatural identity ( an imposition of a self serving foreign entity) at all cost.

You can do better.