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alBHAGDADI:
pls stop using another man's flaws to justify Your Own. If you juxtapose the region that you claim burn people with the northern Islamic region in terms of civilization, you will see that northern Nigeria is decades backward, all thanks to Islam.

The witch craft cases are usually rare. But we all know how rampant the case of almajiri and illiteracy is in Northern Nigeria, all thanks to Islam.

While not justifying almajiri and illiteracy, it is worth noting that beggers and illiterates still exist in advanced countries, but tell me, which of the known advanced countries practises burning of human beings in the name of witchcraft?

Yes, I said advanced countries because that is the countries every one of you lots all use as reference.

Pls, if you can't stick to your argument, don't bother quoting me again.

LionDeLeo:
While not justifying almajiri and illiteracy, it is worth noting that beggers and illiterates still exist in advanced countries, but tell me, which of the known advanced countries practises burning of human beings in the name of witchcraft?

Yes, I said advanced countries because that is the countries every one of you lots all use as reference.

Pls, if you can't stick to your argument, don't bother quoting me again.

The amount of beggars and illiterates in Northern Nigeria can make the rest of the world sick. They are just too much and are migrating to other regions.

The case of burning a witch is called jungle justice and has existed in Europe in the past. Mind you, it is not a rampant thing in Nigeria, as it only happens once or twice in a year or two.

But almajiri, illiteracy and beggars are ever increasing in Islamic north

Blue3k:
Most won't read through whole article but he said a few interesting post. It gave me inspiration for new forum post. I would have figure out way to format it though to understand full legal context.

Should Noethern Nigeria Abolish traditional rulers lIke Emirs? (Considering tax liability and lack usefulness)

https://www.nairaland.com/3771459/get-rid-traditional-rulers-modernise

He made some intelligent points - such the need to do away with the traditional rulers but then he agreed with the foolishness that meningitis was a punishment from god. Are people in northern Nigeria fornicating more than people in north America or Europe?

Essentially anyone who wants to take them away from their pedophalia and army of destitute becomes an enemy,I would say leave them alone with their enslaved minds but we are yoked with the north and its baggage,they are the weakest link

alBHAGDADI:
The amount of beggars and illiterates in Northern Nigeria can make the rest of the world sick. They are just too much and are migrating to other regions.

The case of burning a witch is called jungle justice and has existed in Europe in the past. Mind you, it is not a rampant thing in Nigeria, as it only happens once or twice in a year or two.

But almajiri, illiteracy and beggars are ever increasing in Islamic north

No one is talking about jungle justice here.

What I'm saying is; are people burnt in advanced countries for witchcraft under whichever "justice"?

Do people in advanced countries recognise anything like witchcraft? Meanwhile, a week hardly passes by without one or two cases as such. Are little children not being abandoned, chained, tortured in the name of witchcraft? And in some cases with the directive of pastors? Are these not pre-mediaval practices?

Who are you to be talking about advancement in sciences when you lots are characterised by all these crude practices?

Pls, stick to your argument, otherwise stop quoting me, because that is my initial comment which you bumped into.

Naija is allergic to truth. Stop marrying more wives when you cant provide for them. Stop having many kids, go to school, embrace civilation.. these are solutions listed by Sanusi

LionDeLeo:
No one is talking about jungle justice here.

What I'm saying is; are people burnt in advanced countries for witchcraft under whichever "justice"?

Do people in advanced countries recognise anything like witchcraft? Meanwhile, a week hardly passes by without one or two cases as such. Are little children not being abandoned, chained, tortured in the name of witchcraft? And in some cases with the directive of pastors? Are these not pre-mediaval practices?

Who are you to be talking about advancement in sciences when you lots are characterised by all these crude practices?

Pls, stick to your argument, otherwise stop quoting me, because that is my initial comment which you bumped into.

You don't get it. Burning of witches is not a Culture but a corrupt practice done mostly by a single person or group of illiterates who are mostly few. This doesn't mean that you can find a tribe in southern Nigeria that can boast of such as its culture. What they doing simply a crime, not a Culture. But illiteracy, child marriage and almajiri is part and parcel of northern Muslims.

BigIyanga:
Naija is allergic to truth. Stop marrying more wives when you cant provide for them. Stop having many kids, go to school, embrace civilation.. these are solutions listed by Sanusi

Instead of them to accept the truth about the problem, they are shying away and attacking him claiming he didn't proffer solution. Is he the government or the corrupt political northern elites?

LionDeLeo:
How do you explain that if you go to the Emir of Kano’s palace, you are expected to bow down. If you go to the (American) White House, will you bow down to Mr Donald Trump who has nuclear weapons in his hands? If you go to Kano now, the common man is expected to bow down to the Emir. Is that not a humiliation of human beings? What are they taking about? Our religion is against bowing down to human beings. You only bow down to God. They are misinterpreting the religion and putting blames wrongly on the religion.

This is the part where he talked about bowing, pls can you explain how you deduced the emboldened in your comment?

One mistake you shouldn't make is taking just a statement and ignoring
the whole article.

The problem is not "bowing to the emir" as the sheikh wants us to believe,
the problem is poverty, early marriage, large number of Almajiris and
lack of education.

These real problems have their roots in religious beliefs that is
why they have survived for so long.

Take early marriage for instance, Islamic law encourages parents to marry
out their daughters as soon as they enter puberty, is that a cultural problem ?
Are the parents who marry out their teenage daughters wrong ?

But the sheikh decides to make bowing down to emir as a problem
when it is not, tell me how that practise of bowing is linked to underdevelopment ?

Blaming traditional institutions which holds little or no real power
for societal ill is absolutely wrong.

That nobody bows to Trump has nothing to do with America's technological
advancement, that is purely the American way of doing things, after all bowing to
the queen of England did not impede British development.

alBHAGDADI:
You don't get it. Burning of witches is not a Culture but a corrupt practice done mostly by a single person or group of illiterates who are mostly few. This doesn't mean that you can find a tribe in southern Nigeria that can boast of such as its culture. What they doing simply a crime, not a Culture. But illiteracy, child marriage and almajiri is part and parcel of northern Muslims.

Are pastors, under whose directives some parents abandoned their babies, also criminals and illiterates?

Now, I put it to you that the concept of witchcraft is one of the numerous consequences of superstition which is strongly rooted in the south.

Some of the indices of these archaic practices are the ubiquitous shrines in almost every home in the South, the belief that money can be made through human rituals or burying some human beings alive. Cases of ritualists dismembering human beings abound in the south.

Are all these parts of the much trumpeted scientific advancements?

When a man is taken with religion, reasoning immediately takes flight. Meningitis is now punishment from God. Really

Of course this Sheikh and his supporters are only criticising the Emir because of his criticisms of the way things run in the north. Only an hypocrite will not know that culture and Islam in the north have become almost interchangeable.

The same man who wants traditional system like the Emirate Council to be dismantled because it doesn't conform to present day realities is the same person whose rules of life are govern by principles gotten from about 2000 years ago. Clap for yourself sir.

FriendNG:
Dr. Ahmad decided to build a school to empower female education rather than making noise like Sunusi.

Do you support him?

No, I will only support him if he opens it to both boys and girls.

LionDeLeo:
Are pastors, under whose directives some parents abandoned their babies, also criminals and illiterates?

You forgot to mention the pastor that gives such directive. Mind you, as long as you can't find d it in Christianity that people should abandon their babies, then such a pastor is just a pastor for nothing and doesn't belong to Christ.

LionDeLeo:
Now, I put it to you that the concept of witchcraft is one of the numerous consequences of superstition which is strongly rooted in the south.

...and believed by the pagans.

LionDeLeo:
Some of the indices of these archaic practices are the ubiquitous shrines in almost every home in the South, the belief that money can be made through human rituals or burying some human beings alive. Cases of ritualists dismembering human beings abound in the south.

Stop being fooled by Nollywood movies. it is only pagans that hold such beliefs and not all of them even practice it.

LionDeLeo:
Are all these parts of the much trumpeted scientific advancements?

It doesn't negate the fact that the Islamic northern Nigeria is backward educationally, technologically and socially. If not for the crude oil in the south, northern Nigeria would have been like Sahara desert.
Accept these facts, instead of pointing out other people's problems as a reason why you should continue with yours

alBHAGDADI:
You forgot to mention the pastor that gives such directive. Mind you, as long as you can't find d it in Christianity that people should abandon their babies, then such a pastor is just a pastor for nothing and doesn't belong to Christ.

...and believed by the pagans.

Stop being fooled by Nollywood movies. it is only pagans that hold such beliefs and not all of them even practice it.

It doesn't negate the fact that the Islamic northern Nigeria is backward educationally, technologically and socially. If not for the crude oil in the south, northern Nigeria would have been like Sahara desert.
Accept these facts, instead of pointing out other people's problems as a reason why you should continue with yours

In almost all the cases, pastors are involved.

Dude, I have stayed in the south for sometimes and I don't watch Nollywood.

Also, for your information, all these efforts you have been making at painting Islam in a bad bad light is very inconsequential, we are very much aware of your types.

I closely monitored a thread you opened on a topic about Islam which you finally abandoned when one muslim dude (cant remember his moniker) came up with facts beyond your comprehension.

Keep trying, all these your efforts will crash like a pack of cards to your very face.

In your own interest, concentrate on your religion and allow others with their beliefs, cos all these your jumping and running from pillar to post will not help you, it will only land you in problem and by then it will be too late.

Once again concentrate on your belief and allow others. If the "Islamic Northern Nigeria is backward", that is their problems not yours, at least you are very advanced in Christian South. Stop crying more than the bereaved.



http://www.trezzyhelm.com/2017/02/12-year-old-girl-her-44-year-old-aunt.html?m=1


http://www.metronaija.com/2016/10/photos-6yr-old-effiong-lived-in-bush.html

http://dailypost.ng/2016/10/28/father-nails-

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/africa/08/25/nigeria.child.witches/index.html#fbid=M3-vwfUQwR4&wom=false

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33356826/ns/world_news-africa//

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/nigeria/3407882/Child-witches-of-Nigeria-seek-refuge.html

alBHAGDADI:
You forgot to mention the pastor that gives such directive. Mind you, as long as you can't find d it in Christianity that people should abandon their babies, then such a pastor is just a pastor for nothing and doesn't belong to Christ.

...and believed by the pagans.

Stop being fooled by Nollywood movies. it is only pagans that hold such beliefs and not all of them even practice it.

It doesn't negate the fact that the Islamic northern Nigeria is backward educationally, technologically and socially. If not for the crude oil in the south, northern Nigeria would have been like Sahara desert.
Accept these facts, instead of pointing out other people's problems as a reason why you should continue with yours

Exactly.

The truth is always bitter for people to accept but it will continue to be said.

Exceptions in the South can not be compared to Established Practices / Cultural Norms in the North.

alBHAGDADI:
You forgot to mention the pastor that gives such directive. Mind you, as long as you can't find d it in Christianity that people should abandon their babies, then such a pastor is just a pastor for nothing and doesn't belong to Christ.

...and believed by the pagans.

Stop being fooled by Nollywood movies. it is only pagans that hold such beliefs and not all of them even practice it.

It doesn't negate the fact that the Islamic northern Nigeria is backward educationally, technologically and socially. If not for the crude oil in the south, northern Nigeria would have been like Sahara desert.
Accept these facts, instead of pointing out other people's problems as a reason why you should continue with yours

I echo that.

Unfortunately, they do not seem READY to move forward. Considering the fact that some on this same thread are still defending their way of thinking and way of life.

LionDeLeo:
In almost all the cases, pastors are involved.

Dude, I have stayed in the south for sometimes and I don't watch Nollywood.

Also, for your information, all these efforts you have been making at painting Islam in a bad bad light is very inconsequential, we are very much aware of your types.

I closely monitored a thread you opened on a topic about Islam which you finally abandoned when one muslim dude (cant remember his moniker) came up with facts beyond your comprehension.

Keep trying, all these your efforts will crash like a pack of cards to your very face.

In your own interest, concentrate on your religion and allow others with their beliefs, cos all these your jumping and running from pillar to post will not help you, it will only land you in problem and by then it will be too late.

Once again concentrate on your belief and allow others. If the "Islamic Northern Nigeria is backward", that is their problems not yours, at least you are very advanced in Christian South. Stop crying more than the bereaved.



http://www.trezzyhelm.com/2017/02/12-year-old-girl-her-44-year-old-aunt.html?m=1


http://www.metronaija.com/2016/10/photos-6yr-old-effiong-lived-in-bush.html

http://dailypost.ng/2016/10/28/father-nails-

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/africa/08/25/nigeria.child.witches/index.html#fbid=M3-vwfUQwR4&wom=false

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33356826/ns/world_news-africa//

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/nigeria/3407882/Child-witches-of-Nigeria-seek-refuge.html

All these cases you cited are criminal cases which have been handled by the appropriate authorities. That shows that they are not confined in the south, unlike in the north where kidnap and forceful marriage is highly celebrated and rewarded. Do you know how many under aged Christians girls have been kidnapped and forcefully married off to elderly Muslims by imams, sheiks and even emirs? I What about having child bride? A northern senator even clamoured for it to be constitutional. Children that are supposed to be at school reading ABC are sent to madrasah were all they do is recite Quran.

You are busy comparing southern criminal cases to northern criminal ways established as norms. You are here ranting about the few cases of witchcraft burnings when you and I are aware of the rate at which Muslims burn churches, behead non-muslims, bomb humans while shouting allah in the north. Look, don't go that lane with me.

The problem with some southerners is that they think they're superior to Northerners in all ramifications this is but an invention in their minds.

alBHAGDADI:
All these cases you cited are criminal cases which have been handled by the appropriate authorities. That shows that they are not confined in the south, unlike in the north where kidnap and forceful marriage is highly celebrated and rewarded. Do you know how many under aged Christians girls have been kidnapped and forcefully married off to elderly Muslims by imams, sheiks and even emirs? I What about having child bride? A northern senator even clamoured for it to be constitutional. Children that are supposed to be at school reading ABC are sent to madrasah were all they do is recite Quran.

You are busy comparing southern criminal cases to northern criminal ways established as norms. You are here ranting about the few cases of witchcraft burnings when you and I are aware of the rate at which Muslims burn churches, behead non-muslims, bomb humans while shouting allah in the north. Look, don't go that lane with me.

OK, I'm not going any lane with you. Can you now allow my mention to rest?

Pls I'm very busy.

Bye.

To be fair the responses of the the Islamic scholar reveals he is versed & indeed intelligent. But the truth is intelligence without sincerity usually leads to deception as is the case here.
He says:"You cannot tell people that this is what they should do with their lives. No, allow them to do what they want to do. Somebody told me a story that some girls were asked what they wanted to be in life. One said she wanted to be a lawyer, another said she wanted to be a doctor and the third one said she just wanted to get married".
If i may ask:girls who go into early marriage do they in all cases do so by choice?Even if they did does the Isamic Northern society encourage girl-child education?I happened to be in a girls school in Kano where a friend taught I was shocked to discover that the overall aim of the school centered on inculcating skills required of a good house wife.Now tell me why a girl wlill be ambitious when society and religion has conditioned her to believe that she only has to hit puberty and get married and nothing else.
"I spoke against Boko Haram".when it comes to condemning the ills of their adherents nobody gets to hear it.But the outcry of Islamic clerics against kanywoood film village was from the rooftops,it made headlines.Is that how it should be?
His views on the Kano Emirate might appear valid.But why are they coming now?Could he just be hitting back at the Emir for been vocal against the role of Islamic clerics in the underdevelopment of the North?

SalamRushdie:
Nonsense when he attacked Jonathan you applauded him now he has attacked the north you are asking for solutions, Kontinu

why are you just so stupid?Is this all you can come up with?

Moahmed:
Please avail us with evidence that the sheik attack Jonathan. L

Who is talking of the Sheik . You are giving Ls yet you can't read

freedom96:
why are you just so stupid?Is this all you can come up with?

No next time I will come up with your mama's panties if you ask politely

SalamRushdie:
No next time I will come up with your mama's panties if you ask politely

Haba No wonder.A stupid pervert,contain yourself to such lanes and stop spoiling sensible contributions.

ephi123:
I read the whole interview carefully and only highlighted what stood out to me.

For example he talks about the high number of widows, whilst also saying in order to prevent prostitution girls can be married off once they start menstruation.

It is inevitable that if you are marrying off girls in the age bracket 13-18 to men in their 40s and 50s, there is no way widows won't increase because those men will die in their 70s and 80s leaving women still in their 30s / 40s to become young widows. Like many other issues in the North, it is a self-created problem.

If the young girls in their teenage years are married off to guys in similar age bracket, the number of widows will be greatly reduced. But they are not, rather they are married to much older men. Sanusi who can't be less than 50 married an 18 year old not too long ago. Same with Buhari/Aisha.

It's a very unfortunate situation that this has become a cultural norm.

He did not say once they start menstruating, he said when they choose to get married. A girl that has a very strong sexual urge at a very early age and she choose to get married marry her out, don't stop her or force her to do something else for if you do, you will only cause problem for the society..

Dante2008:
He did not say once they start menstruating, he said when they choose to get married. A girl that has a very strong sexual urge at a very early age and she choose to get married marry her out, don't stop her or force her to do something else for if you do, you will only cause problem for the society..

He said:

But if you bring a law that says a girl should not marry until when she gets to eighteen years, I tell you, at the age of sixteen, a girl begins to have sexual desire which will be pushing her like fire.

So when girls begin to have sexual desire they should be married off (of course we know he only used 16 years because it's an interview, in reality he means earlier is acceptable as well afterall did Yerima not marry a girl below 16 years ago? Any case, before I derail, sexual desire occurs at puberty which is the same time girls start their periods.

https://medlineplus.gov/puberty.html
Puberty is the time in life when a boy or girl becomes sexually mature. It is a process that usually happens between ages 10 and 14 for girls and ages 12 and 16 for boys. It causes physical changes, and affects boys and girls differently. In girls: The first sign of puberty is usually breast development which is usually accompanied by menstruation.

neocortex:
One mistake you shouldn't make is taking just a statement and ignoring
the whole article.

The problem is not "bowing to the emir" as the sheikh wants us to believe,
the problem is poverty, early marriage, large number of Almajiris and
lack of education.

These real problems have their roots in religious beliefs that is
why they have survived for so long.

Take early marriage for instance, Islamic law encourages parents to marry
out their daughters as soon as they enter puberty, is that a cultural problem ?
Are the parents who marry out their teenage daughters wrong ?

But the sheikh decides to make bowing down to emir as a problem
when it is not, tell me how that practise of bowing is linked to underdevelopment ?

Blaming traditional institutions which holds little or no real power
for societal ill is absolutely wrong.

That nobody bows to Trump has nothing to do with America's technological
advancement, that is purely the American way of doing things, after all bowing to
the queen of England did not impede British development.

Please get something straight, he is not absorbing the religion from early marriage, some of these people do it base on their culture not for religious purposes, and he also called our attention to the fact that, early marriage of a girl does not stop her from getting educated, he talked about her choice in all of these, she has to choose either to be married before or after her education. So it all depend on individual, let them make their choice is their decision, that is the correct Islam perspective.

Dante2008:
Please get something straight, he is not absorbing the religion from early marriage, some of these people do it base on their culture not for religious purposes

It doesn't matter whether some people do it for cultural purpose, the fact that
it is encouraged in Islam means it is not seen as a problem.

and he also called our attention to the fact that, early marriage of a girl does not stop her from getting educated

it is no news that marriage(early or not) limits the education potential of most women, many husband won't tolerate
a part-time wive

he talked about her choice in all of these[/b], she has to choose either to be married before or after her education.
So it all depend on individual, let them make their choice is their decision, that is the correct Islam perspective.

Do you honestly believe that an underage girl can make a smart choice on her own future
or even be allowed to ?
Even parents influence the love life of grown adults let alone a dependent child, at the end
of the day, the parents always wins.
If the parents wants marriage what can the child do ?

And mind you after marriage, the husband is in charge not the wife and he can decide her future
as regards education. If the husband is conservative as most are, their will be no chance for education.
So education after early marriage is largely an unrealistic dream for the girl child.

Ddaji:
Sanusi is just another feudalist hypocrite elite,here is somebody that spent over N37M in 36 months from calls alone with public funds and has audacity to talk of proper utilizations of public resource. The nonentity can only play with sentimental ipob intelligence.The Young emir of Gombe is presently sponsoring over 3000 children in school.what of sanusi ?nothing except flamboyant life style with public funds and talks rubish.

You make a very good point, our major problem is with the elite that always uses the poor to achieve their political and economic interest. I think the youth of the country have a lot of roles to play to ensure that sentiment is not always used by the elite to gain on due advantage.

Good gesture by the young Gombe emir to get the less privilege the education needed to build a great society

Ddaji:
https://www.dailytrust.com.ng/news/general/emir-of-gombe-has-3-000-kids-in-school/162148.html

whoa what an inspiration, highly commendable for the emir. I remembered he was installed the same year with the one in kano