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urheme:
exactly....the bold is so on point.........at least you can distinguish both but the illusion Deepsight is talking about sound like an insane one....i really don't know.....I'm only trying to understand this guy you know ......though i have been referred to go and observe a cadaver ........
how illusionary it must be for those working in the morgue .... kia!!! i really don't know


I had to come back.

DeepSight:
Now let us calm down carefully together and let me ask all of you three these preliminary simple questions: first and foremost, I would like to ask if you people are crazy. Are you guys really in your right senses? Yes, you heard me right: the question is indeed if you guys are crazy. You guys must be the ones smoking something - not me: and I say that with all sobriety and sense of seriousness.

For, if it were not that you gentlemen are indeed crazy, how else would you expect any sane and reflective person to perceive this world? From whence you know not, you opened your eyes made of flesh one day and began to see a world about you. You began to grow and your body became larger and firmer until you became an adult. You find that it turns out that your world is a small blue planet orbiting a red furnace in a universe of billions of similar furnaces. Everyday you live in this world is nothing but an astonishing and strange miracle, in all truth. Have you taken the time to observe your head closely? I stated in the OP that examining this very head of yours will unravel much about what exactly you are as a being. Yes, na me talk am: examine ya head. However my saying this has elicited nothing but mockery on this thread: but really a sane person must wonder why: do you not take a moment to pause and meditate to your self? Just take a mirror and stare really hard at your self, the eyes made of flesh, the skin which covers the bones, the temples and the teeth all of which will be empty and dry lifeless bones in the not too distant future. That entire physical make up which will all rot: become rotten meat and fade away, that skull in which your two seeing balls of flesh currently hang, will surely lie dead as an empty cage which is exactly what it is and yet you have the nerve to dare tell me that it is not self evidently a casing for a being for a short time: a casing which provides the being's experience of what it sees, touches, tastes, hears and smells, my friends does this alone not tell you that that entire experience is subjective and something that a being is observing through this casing and which therefore cannot have any objective reality to it: the experience of each casing being altogether different and when this casing dies and rots away what is the reality to that life which it just lived if not a short virtual reality experience, no? You are still in your encasements, perhaps this should be an excuse for your myopia, but for me it should be self evident to one and all that once this encasement falls away as it surely would, the human being must see and know its mortal experience for what it is: a virtual reality experience for a short time.

If you guys don't see this, you are the deluded ones and not me: I will however continue the thread step by step to expand on this matter.

DeepSight:
My friend the reason I asked you to go and observe a cadaver is one which should make you reflect deeply, for inescapably, that is what your body will become one day, and paying close attention to this gives perspective to the true meaning of life in that you can recognize in very stark terms that your body is an encasement only: little more than clothing - some rightly call it a cloak being worn by the inner being.

When you come to that recognition you will also be able to appreciate more clearly that what you see of others around you is primarily their cloak as well, and indeed, that everything in this world is a cloak. It is when you have this recognition that you will appreciate what I am driving at.

When this cloak is removed at death the inner being must stand naked and cloakless in the stark reality of all the living energies about it.

urheme:
This is exactly what the holy books says........so what is the illusion there ......Abeg i don tire.

truthislight:
Guy, Long time.

How things? Been Long I saw you posting.

DeepSight:
Now let us calm down carefully together and let me ask all of you four these preliminary simple questions: first and foremost, I would like to ask if you people are crazy. Are you guys really in your right senses? Yes, you heard me right: the question is indeed if you guys are crazy. You guys must be the ones smoking something - not me: and I say that with all sobriety and sense of seriousness.

For, if it were not that you gentlemen are indeed crazy, how else would you expect any sane and reflective person to perceive this world? From whence you know not, you opened your eyes made of flesh one day and began to see a world about you. You began to grow and your body became larger and firmer until you became an adult. You find that it turns out that your world is a small blue planet orbiting a red furnace in a universe of billions of similar furnaces. Everyday you live in this world is nothing but an astonishing and strange miracle, in all truth. Have you taken the time to observe your head closely? I stated in the OP that examining this very head of yours will unravel much about what exactly you are as a being. Yes, na me talk am: examine ya head. However my saying this has elicited nothing but mockery on this thread: but really a sane person must wonder why: do you not take a moment to pause and meditate to your self? Just take a mirror and stare really hard at your self, the eyes made of flesh, the skin which covers the bones, the temples and the teeth all of which will be empty and dry lifeless bones in the not too distant future. That entire physical make up which will all rot: become rotten meat and fade away, that skull in which your two seeing balls of flesh currently hang, will surely lie dead as an empty cage which is exactly what it is and yet you have the nerve to dare tell me that it is not self evidently a casing for a being for a short time: a casing which provides the being's experience of what it sees, touches, tastes, hears and smells, my friends does this alone not tell you that that entire experience is subjective and something that a being is observing through this casing and which therefore cannot have any objective reality to it: the experience of each casing being altogether different and when this casing dies and rots away what is the reality to that life which it just lived if not a short virtual reality experience, no? You are still in your encasements, perhaps this should be an excuse for your myopia, but for me it should be self evident to one and all that once this encasement falls away as it surely would, the human being must see and know its mortal experience for what it is: a virtual reality experience for a short time.

If you guys don't see this, you are the deluded ones and not me: I will however continue the thread step by step to expand on this matter.

DeepSight:
Have you ever closely observed and contemplated a cadaver?

Do people hallucinate, and if they do, do some hallucinations involve pain?

I am not sure you have contemplated this issue carefully, or perhaps you do not understand what I am saying.

plaetton:
And I thought I was the only one who noticed.

Deepsight has gone full blown OLODO.

DeepSight:
Now let us calm down carefully together and let me ask all of you four these preliminary simple questions: first and foremost, I would like to ask if you people are crazy. Are you guys really in your right senses? Yes, you heard me right: the question is indeed if you guys are crazy. You guys must be the ones smoking something - not me: and I say that with all sobriety and sense of seriousness.

For, if it were not that you gentlemen are indeed crazy, how else would you expect any sane and reflective person to perceive this world? From whence you know not, you opened your eyes made of flesh one day and began to see a world about you. You began to grow and your body became larger and firmer until you became an adult. You find that it turns out that your world is a small blue planet orbiting a red furnace in a universe of billions of similar furnaces. Everyday you live in this world is nothing but an astonishing and strange miracle, in all truth. Have you taken the time to observe your head closely? I stated in the OP that examining this very head of yours will unravel much about what exactly you are as a being. Yes, na me talk am: examine ya head. However my saying this has elicited nothing but mockery on this thread: but really a sane person must wonder why: do you not take a moment to pause and meditate to your self? Just take a mirror and stare really hard at your self, the eyes made of flesh, the skin which covers the bones, the temples and the teeth all of which will be empty and dry lifeless bones in the not too distant future. That entire physical make up which will all rot: become rotten meat and fade away, that skull in which your two seeing balls of flesh currently hang, will surely lie dead as an empty cage which is exactly what it is and yet you have the nerve to dare tell me that it is not self evidently a casing for a being for a short time: a casing which provides the being's experience of what it sees, touches, tastes, hears and smells, my friends does this alone not tell you that that entire experience is subjective and something that a being is observing through this casing and which therefore cannot have any objective reality to it: the experience of each casing being altogether different and when this casing dies and rots away what is the reality to that life which it just lived if not a short virtual reality experience, no? You are still in your encasements, perhaps this should be an excuse for your myopia, but for me it should be self evident to one and all that once this encasement falls away as it surely would, the human being must see and know its mortal experience for what it is: a virtual reality experience for a short time.

If you guys don't see this, you are the deluded ones and not me: I will however continue the thread step by step to expand on this matter.

Logicbwoy:
I dey. I have been around

plaetton:
I wonder whether this so-called illusion is created by the so-called one infinite source, the infinite mind, or, it it's just part of the grand illusion.

If someone claims to be living in an illusion, then based on what reality does one make such an assertion ?
In other words, to understand an illusion or make a case for an illusion , one must know what is real. The two must be distinguishable.

To repeatedly shoult that everything is an illusion, including your very thoughts on the matter, seems to me like just a walk into the twilight zone of mild ,, eehhm, eehhm, ..

DeepSight:
My friend the reason I asked you to go and observe a cadaver is one which should make you reflect deeply, for inescapably, that is what your body will become one day, and paying close attention to this gives perspective to the true meaning of life in that you can recognize in very stark terms that your body is an encasement only: little more than clothing - some rightly call it a cloak being worn by the inner being.

When you come to that recognition you will also be able to appreciate more clearly that what you see of others around you is primarily their cloak as well, and indeed, that everything in this world is a cloak. It is when you have this recognition that you will appreciate what I am driving at.

When this cloak is removed at death the inner being must stand naked and cloakless in the stark reality of all the living energies about it.

DeepSight:
^^^ Your analogy of the mad man is not apt: there is no self evident equivalent visor which he is wearing such as is the case with each an everyone of us - the visor being your physical head.

If you are unable to take a cold calm critical look at your own head in a mirror and understand that it is self evidently a temporal biochemical mask which enables a being to perceive: and then to grasp the implications is that, I cannot help you.

It has been long, but we shall resume, step by step hopefully.

truthislight:
Of what importance is this entity you claim indwells a person to the person?

Exactly what use does it serve?

DeepSight:
This is an incongruous way to frame the question. No "entity" "indwells" a "person".

Rather, a person lives in a body, simple.

What I have set out to show, is that that body which we live in, is a mere mask, a sort of biochemical hologram, behind which the real person sits and works.