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easymancfc:
It's like get out of jail free card is your favorite word..

father and Son have the distinction of Junior and Senior.. besides in the home, most people don't call their fathers by their names.. daddy suffices, so you either here junior or the name..

We are talking about sisters here.. not father-son having the same name..

You can find Father-son.. but you can't find siblings who are called by the same name...
Who's ignorant now?

my sisters answer same name but with different suffixes..

tare[/b]lade and tamarau[b]tare...TARE remains their base names...

right in my house siblings answer same names..what are you guys dragging about??

Izonpikin:
oboy what escapism is this. in my house i have two tares and tonyes but with different prefixes and suffixes.. what the hell are you guys about with the impossibility of two siblings answering same name??..was marys name exclusive to her alone rubbish...

Jesus even distinguished between his earthly mother and siblings in front of many and yet you guys jump about..

there is a distinguished greek word between blood siblings and relatives..read up man...

Interesting! This is my first time hearing there is a nuclear family where two biological siblings are given same name. So, when your father calls one (eg Mary), who answers his call?
Pls stop lying to discredit the truth

Splinz:
Saul did asked for the help of Samuel who was already dead.

But before you get excited, note who Saul approached to bring forth the spirit of Samuel: A medium! Yes, the very people and practice condemned in strongest of terms by God in the Bible.

So, in line with the Scriptures that states that the dead do not know anything, and that Satan can also transform itself into an angel of light, it is accurate to say that the spirit conjured and brought forth by the medium to speak to Saul was an impersonator- a demon!

Thank you!
It shows that catholics practise nothing but necromancy! Yes necromancy!

There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer . For all that do these things are an abomination unto the Lord : and because of these abominations the Lord thy God doth drive them out from before thee.
Deuteronomy 18:10‭-‬12 KJV
http://bible.com/1/deu.18.10-12.KJV

Izonpikin:
my sisters answer same name but with different suffixes..

tare[/b]lade and tamarau[b]tare...TARE remains their base names...

right in my house siblings answer same names..what are you guys dragging about??

You said different suffixes.. right there is your answer.. A difference..

Mary and Mary is the same.. no difference at all..

If their father calls Mary... who would respond...

LogicStatement:
Q1. Why do Catholics bow to images in the church?
A: Catholics do not bow to images in order to worship them. In fact, it is condemned by God. Ex 20: 1-5 "Then God spoke all these words: I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt,b out of the house of slavery.
You shall not have other gods beside me. You shall not make for yourself an idolc or a likeness of anything* in the heavens above or on the earth below or in the waters beneath the earth; you shall not bow down before them or serve them.d For I, the LORD, your God, am a jealous God, inflicting punishment for their ancestors’ wickedness on the children of those who hate me, down to the third and fourth generation."
But in Numbers 21: 4-9, God asked Moses to make a bronze image of a snake to save the people of Isreal. "They traveled from Mount Hor along the route to the Red Sea,[a] to go around Edom. But the people grew impatient on the way; 5 they spoke against God and against Moses, and said, “Why have you brought us up out of Egypt to die in the wilderness? There is no bread! There is no water! And we detest this miserable food!” 6 Then the Lord sent venomous snakes among them; they bit the people and many Israelites died. 7 The people came to Moses and said, “We sinned when we spoke against the Lord and against you. Pray that the Lord will take the snakes away from us.” So Moses prayed for the people. 8 The Lord said to Moses, “Make a snake and put it up on a pole; anyone who is bitten can look at it and live.” 9 So Moses made a bronze snake and put it up on a pole. Then when anyone was bitten by a snake and looked at the bronze snake, they lived."

Now, would you say that God who instructed us not to make images in Genesis is the one instructing Moses in Numbers to make an image of a serpent? Can God contradict Himself? Absolutely not! God did not say images should not be made, but He is against worshiping such images. Therefore, it is imperative to note that God is not against the making of image but against the act of worshiping them. We all have images (pictures or sculptures) in our homes and offices hung on our walls or placed in the house but do we worship them? I doubt! We put them there for beautification, honour and remembrance. Example is the statue of Herbert Macaulay on the Island in Lagos. That statue is not made there for worship but for remembrance and honour and also, it beautifies the area.
Therefore, making of an image is not a sin in itself but worshiping them and acknowledging them the status of God is a sin for God is a jealous God.

Q2: Why does the Catholic Bible have 73 books, while the Protestant Bible has only 66 books?
The Catholic is the church that compiled the bible in about 367 AD when St. Athanasius came up with a list of 73 books for the Bible that he believed to be divinely inspired. This list was finally approved by Pope Damasus I in 382 AD, and was formally approved by the Church Council of Rome in that same year. Later Councils at Hippo (393 AD) and Carthage (397 AD) ratified this list of 73 books. In 405 AD, Pope Innocent I wrote a letter to the Bishop of Toulouse reaffirming this canon of 73 books. In 419 AD, the Council of Carthage reaffirmed this list, which Pope Boniface agreed to. In 16th century, Martin Luther discarded with some books in the bible which he believed does not conform with his own view of theology. Initially, he disagreed with 7 books in the Old Testament which are Tobit, Judith, Baruch, Wisdom, Sirach, First Maccabees, and Second Maccabees, as well as additional verses of Daniel and Esther. These books are called the “deuterocanon”, or second canon, by Catholics, and the “apocrypha”, or hidden/obscure, by Protestants (Christians who protest against the Catholic Church) and also, some books in the New Testament which include James, Hebrews, Jude, and Revelation. He actually said that he wanted to “throw Jimmy into the fire”, and that the book of James was “an epistle of straw.” What is strange is that Luther eventually accepted all 27 books of the New Testament that the Catholic Pope Damasus I had approved of in 382 AD, but didn’t accept his Old Testament list. Hence, the 66 books in the Protestant's bible and the foremost of them is King James version which was first compiled by Martin Luther with the help of King Henry VIII in year 1081. Martin Luther was excommunicated by the church for his rebellious act against the body of Christ and for re-inventing his own bible.
This topic is well explained in this thread https://www.nairaland.com/3782829/why-catholic-church-bible-different

Q3: Why do Priests wear different colours of vestments for different occasions
A: The priest wears 5 different colours of vestment during the celebration of Holy Mass depending on the occasion or feast. These vestments are:
Red Vestment: This is worn to celebrate a saint who was killed or martyred.
White Vestment: This signifies purity. It is worn to celebrate Holy Mass during the feat of a saint who died natural death, for virgin Mary's day and also, to signify the holiness of Jesus Christ.
Purple Vestment: Purple signifies royalty and therefore, it is worn during advent (starting 4 weeks to Christmas) in preparation to coming of the King of kings- Jesus Christ.
Gold Vestment: This is worn during the celebration of the church e.g. Golden jubilee, anniversaries etc
Green Vestment: This is worn during ordinary time. Green signifies life.

Q4: Why do Catholics honour Mary?
A: Catholics honour Mary because of the position she occupies in the life of Christ, Christians and importantly, the special grace and favour bestowed upon her by God himself. Jn 19: 25-27 tells us how Jesus on the cross handed over Mary to the disciple He loved to be his mother. The disciple at that moment represented Christians whom Christ loves and handed over his mother to be our mother also. It is logical that the mother of your mentor is your mother also and so, you accord her same respect and honour your mentor will accord her as well. Gen 3:16, Rev 12: 1-7 and Is 7:10 show how God acknowledges the importance of Mary to mankind and thus bestow upon her the highest favour given to any man before or after her. Lk 1: 26-38; 40-42 tells us how angel Gabriel conveyed the mind of God to Mary revealing to her how much favour God has bestowed upon her thus saying to her "hail Mary, full of grace..." and also the greetings of her cousin Elizabeth, "Of all women, you are the most blessed." This greeting was not from Elizabeth herself but inspired by the Spirit of God which through the confirmation she got when the baby in her womb leapt for joy on sighting Mary. These greetings gladdens Mary heart (Lk 2:19). It should be noted that act of honour should not be mistaken for worship. Catholics do not worship Mary because she is NOT God and will never be. The church honours her in a similar way we honour our biological mothers (though in a special way because of the special grace she carries). In Ex 20:12, God asks us to honour our father and mother.

Q5: Does Mary have other Children?
Mary had no other children apart from Jesus. If Mary had other children, Jesus would not have asked the disciple to take Mary home and care for her if not, other children of hers would have been able to do that. Would it not be a slap on the faces of other children that an outsider would take their mother home to take care when they are still alive? Also, Lk 2:41-49 tells us how Jesus was forgotten in the temple by his parents and later found him in the temple preaching after searching for him for 3 days. "Every year Jesus’ parents went to Jerusalem for the Festival of the Passover. 42 When he was twelve years old, they went up to the festival, according to the custom. 43 After the festival was over, while his parents were returning home, the boy Jesus stayed behind in Jerusalem, but they were unaware of it. 44 Thinking he was in their company, they traveled on for a day. Then they began looking for him among their relatives and friends. 45 When they did not find him, they went back to Jerusalem to look for him. 46 After three days they found him in the temple courts, sitting among the teachers, listening to them and asking them questions. 47 Everyone who heard him was amazed at his understanding and his answers. 48 When his parents saw him, they were astonished. His mother said to him, “Son, why have you treated us like this? Your father and I have been anxiously searching for you.” Jesus was 12 years old during this time, and if he had other siblings, would Joseph and Mary left them behind to go to Jerusalem only with Jesus since it is the custom to go with all members of the family? In Matt 12:46, it is written that Jesus's mother and brothers were waiting outside anxious to have a word with him. Does that mean Jesus had other siblings? The first recorded argument was between St. Jerome and another fourth-century theologian, Helvidius, who had written that after the virgin birth of Jesus, Mary had other children with her husband, Joseph. St. Jerome disagreed, indicating that by the fourth century at least some of the church community believed that Mary had stayed a virgin for the rest of her life. These children of Mary, Jerome said, were from Mary of Clopas, Jesus’ aunt and his mother’s sister, making them cousins. He claimed that the Greek word "adelphios" could refer to cousins, not just biological siblings. Same way in Yoruba language, "cousin" has no word instead "aburo" or "egbon" can be used for a biological sibling or relative. Also, if Jesus had sibling, they would have been present during his crucifixion with Mary. In John 19:25, where she is among the women present at the Crucifixion of Jesus: "Now there stood by the cross of Jesus His mother, Mary and His mother's sister, Mary [the wife] of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene." Note that Jesus' mother's sister is also called Mary in this passage but can two biological sisters called the same name within a nuclear family? That proves that Mary the wife of Clopas is not the biological sister of Mary mother of Jesus but a relative because in Greek from where English bible is translated from has no word for cousin or aunt or uncle but once they are related are called brothers or sisters.

Q6: Why do Catholics don't pray for the death of their enemy or curse them but rather, pray for their conversion?
A: In Matt 5: 43-45, Jesus instructs us to love our enemies and pray for those who hate us. 43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[a] and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. Act 7:55-60, 1Pt 3:8 and 1Cor 3:17 state this fact as well for there is rejoice among the angels of God when a sinner repents (Lk: 15:10)

Q7: Is drinking a sin?
A: Drinking is not a sin, rather getting drunk is a sin (Ep 5:18). Jesus turned water to wine (Jn 2: 1-12). 1Tim 3:8 "In the same way, deacons[b] are to be worthy of respect, sincere, not indulging in much wine, and not pursuing dishonest gain." This shows that drinking of wine is not sin in itself but getting drunk by drinking much of it is sin. Jesus took wine when he was offered vinegar while on the cross (Matt 27: 48). If drinking was a sin, He wouldn't have accepted it. Vinegar wine contains 5-20% acetic acid; 5-8% alcohol. Wine is taken in heaven as well (Matt 26: 26-29).

Do you want to know the truth then I'll like you to pray to God to open your eyes. Abraham was found grace in the eyes of God that even till today many are tapping from his blessings was he immortalized, was he worshipped? Many people found favour with God just like Mary people like Moses, Samuel and John the Baptist but they were never worshipped. Jesus made a comment when he preached and then the people said blessed are the paps that you sucked but he said otherwise he said blessed are they rather that hear the word and do it. now concerning Mary not having any son apart from Jesus. I then ask you who then is James that was also an apostle of Jesus Christ. As for the serpent that was made by Moses it was made for a purpose it was to show forth the purpose of what Jesus would be, he is to be looked upon as a saviour. but when it was later worshipped it was broken down during the reign of ahaziah Pls read Deuteronomy 4 vs 15 to 19 for more idols and I want you to pray for God to open your eyes for you to know who you are praying to all in the name of praying to Mary. all prayers should be addressed to Jesus only. the true way to the father, the mediator between God and man, the great high priest, that his priesthood was established on a better convenant. Thanks

Splinz:
Your pope is devoid of even a shred of holiness. If I were to claim holiness, then not that of your pope.



The gospel is being preached by those entrusted with it. And yes, it takes another loafer to spot one.

You are better ignored. That's the best way to answer fools.


So, what they taught you in your church is that only some people are assigned to preach the gospel? To think that you Dont even mind committing heresy and blasphemy just because you want to win an argument? You aren't better than the Catholics you are condemning.

Keep fighting over religion while the state of your country deteriorates. Rubbish.

blazer234:
You are better ignored. That's the best way to answer fools.

Okay fool. I've been indulging your foolishness anyway. Bye.

Jesus himself said "He is the God of the living not the dead"... also when Jesus transfigured an had Moses and Elijah appear to him, could he not talk direct to God. Or was he just gisting separately with them... my brother intercession is real. (the pr

Splinz:
I see. All these talk of insults is nothing but an emotional blackmail. Sorry, it doesn't work on me.

Op has no biblical backing for his rank idolatry, but the same old terrible twisting of scriptures to say what they want it to say. I asked a question which you may as well help him answer: Did Abraham asked Noah to intercede or was it Jesus that prayed for an intercession from one of His angels?

Op's submission in his bid to justify the worship (all that talk of "honoring" is a grand deception!) of Mary is simply humorous.

Themandator:
Is there anywhere in the scripture where "dead saints" interceded for the living saints or they all did their intercession while alive?

rev 5:8

Splinz:
I do not know of any Joshua that is an idolater like you. But then, just in case there's a so-called saint called "saint Joshua", pronounced as such by Babylon, then you may as well say HI to him.

I knew you will be ignorant of holy people. Joshua succeeded Moses as leader of Israel, it so happens that he too enjoys prostrating in front of images. but I guess you don't know him, they haven't taught about him in your Sunday school.

Do you not ask your Pastor to pray for you...? You can say No... however for those who do its because feel they Pastors are closer to God and can get the favours needed. So if one feels a saint (living and glorious) can get same, based one he himself is weak, is it bad?.

Splinz:
I don't know any of these churches. So, I don't speak for them.

Now, all these talks of “what about this... what about that person” is stale already. Are these people your own standard? While there's absolutely nothing wrong in having a friend's picture in either your house, car, office, etc, the moment that image becomes an abomination is when you put it before you, kneel/bow and pray to it. That is outright idolatry! So, in which of these churches you've mentioned is the worship/veneration of images sanctioned, as it is done in your Catholic church?

Tell me, that I may also call them out for their idolatry.

PS: Philippians 4:6 states: “...but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God”, not unto “Mary” or the “saints.” You don't need an intercessor to get your prayers to God, pray to Him in the name of Jesus as the mediator and you'll be heard! Abraham, Jacob, Moses, Joshua, Samuel, Deborah and other faithful servants of God never ask any saint or angel for intercession, but all made their requests and supplications directly to God, who is the hearer of prayers! (Psalm 65:2).

You catholics? Practised Christianity and even got the name Christianity for years before the split... Master! have you traced your route

kennedyugo:
Thank you!
It shows that catholics practise nothing but necromancy! Yes necromancy!

There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer . For all that do these things are an abomination unto the Lord : and because of these abominations the Lord thy God doth drive them out from before thee.
Deuteronomy 18:10‭-‬12 KJV
http://bible.com/1/deu.18.10-12.KJV

Butterworth:
You really think I care about your religious shits

My reason for postings these pictures is that you Christians call Traditionalists Idol worshippers but turn around and do exactly same thing they are doing

Bowing down before a sculpture or an image

Quit the hypocrisy! !

I hope u know that to an Ogun worshipper the physical iron is actually Ogun?

Themandator:
Does it make sense to you that for thirty three of Jesus ministry Joseph never made love to Mary and even after his death ....Even when God through the angel referred to may as his wife.

Excerpt on the subject matter



Mary had four other sons, Joseph, James, Jude, and Simon. Because of the virgin birth, Joseph was not the father of Jesus so these were the half brothers of Jesus. The last three mentioned are not to be confused with those who were disciples of Jesus by the same name. Here are some passages where the other sons of Mary by Joseph are mentioned (Matt. 12:46; 13:55; Mark 6:3; John 2:12; 7:3, 5, 10; Acts 1:14; 1 Cor. 9:5; Gal. 1:19).

it makes absolute sense that Joseph will not touch Mary, Joseph was a Jew not a Nigerian he knew that anything related to God was reserved and can never be used for it usually function. in fact if god passed a door it becomes permanently locked, everything touched by the divine was immediately reserved and any who uses it becomes guilty(cf Daniel vs Nebuchadnezzar) in fact any one who touches it wrongly can be stoned to death....

do you think a Jew in his right mind will have sex with a woman who has been overshadowed by God and made pregnant by him? is he crazy to try that nonsense? besides rabinnic laws prevent a Jew of sleeping with a woman who gave birth for someone else while in your house.

Izonpikin:
she would have been involved in general prayers just like every other christian...but I can bet my life no disciple met Mary in particular to intercede for them... and no apostle extolled Mary to a lofty position of veneration like the catholics are doing today..

you just want to die for nothing. You want to make an argument from silence by betting on your life over something your are ignorant of.

G

Smeago007:
Catholics ooo
Stop kneening down to craven images
Ooooo pls na

Even if they said its God almighty they made from wood work.
Don't kneel,bow or worship
While deceiving yourself your praying

I repeat
God commanded
Moses tell them to look at the serpent

I didn't see bow down nor worship
Nor pray to the serpent for intercession

Even after the craven serpant through God healed the isrealite
Many came back and started worshipping the serpent
See 2kings 18 vs 4
King James Bible
He removed the high places, and brake the images, and cut down the groves, and brake in pieces the brasen serpent that Moses had made: for unto those days the children of Israel did burn incense to it: and he called it Nehushtan.

God himself was happy with Hezekiah for destroying
That craven image

Do you think he would be in support of the mass sculptures in place in catholic church that people kneel,bow,worship and believe in?

It is written that our God is a jealous God especially when it deals with idolatry
See exodus 20 vs 5

Thou not make thyself "graven images" not just an image

"Graven"

Pegan doctrines has taken over
The catholic roots is from Rome
So what do you expect??

Idol worship still run in their vein

is this also idol worship?

Joshua 7:6 Then Joshua tore his clothes and fell facedown to the ground before the ark of the LORD, remaining there till evening. The elders of Israel did the same, and sprinkled dust on their heads.

Izonpikin:
more scriptures for you

Matthew 12:46
New International Version
While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside[/b], wanting to speak to him.

New Living Translation
As Jesus was speaking to the crowd, [b]his mother and brothers stood outside, asking to speak to him.


John 2:12New International Version (NIV)

12 After this he went down to Capernaum with his mother and brothers and his disciples. There they stayed for a few days.


i cant believe that one can deny mary of her giving birth to other kids so that she can be worshiped by lovers of idolatry in our present time. its baffling.

I can't believe a Christian will teach Mary had other kids.

samuelezekiel:
The issue is not having a molten image, the issue is bowing down to it to show your loyalty. The serpent that Moses made, they are not to bow down to it but to look at it, it symbolise Jesus Christ in the cross, and just like God ask Moses to point his staff and speak to the rock, but Moses strike the rock of ages out of annoyance, which resulted to him not entering His rest(the promised land).
God doesn't want anyone bowing to anything that's why he made sure that when he appears you see nothing... Most at times throughout the Bible, they always mistake an angel/messenger for God himself even till date... No one can see God without dying, even Moses that spoke with God face to face never saw His face.
The point is do not bow don to any image, humans are more powerful than we can imagine, do you know we are to judge the angels... How awesome is that... It's disappointing to see the imagine of God bowing to a wooden imagine, it's disappointing as it is pathetic.

like this abi?

6 Then Joshua tore his clothes and fell facedown to the ground before the ark of the LORD, remaining there till evening. The elders of Israel did the same, and sprinkled dust on their heads.

I dnt get the Catholics said they dnt worship Mary, y r u forcing it on them, do u know what they do better than them??

U r God to.determine who is worshipping or not??

Ubenedictus:
Gis this also idol worship?

Joshua 7:6 Then Joshua tore his clothes and fell facedown to the ground before the ark of the LORD, remaining there till evening. The elders of Israel did the same, and sprinkled dust on their heads.

Obviously its not
Read the verse properly

It was an aggrieved moment.
Sorrow,dispair etc

Ubenedictus:
like this abi?

6 Then Joshua tore his clothes and fell facedown to the ground before the ark of the LORD, remaining there till evening. The elders of Israel did the same, and sprinkled dust on their heads.

Your baseless

Splinz:
Okay fool. I've been indulging your foolishness anyway. Bye.

Indeed you are a Christian. You are nothing other than empty soul. Like i told you earlier, you are worse than an atheist. You are only arguing to prove yourself right and not to show Christ in your words. You Dont even mind committing heresy and blasphemy to see yourself as right. Ndo, so-called Christian.

You sound more like those apostle Paul called the "enemies of the cross of Christ"

Ubenedictus:
I knew you will be ignorant of holy people. Joshua succeeded Moses as leader of Israel, it so happens that he too enjoys prostrating in front of images. but I guess you don't know him, they haven't taught about him in your Sunday school.

You're too dull. I've been telling you to go and sharpen your comprehension skills.

If you can't even decode what I type here, one can only imagine the damages you've been doing to Scriptures. SMH

blazer234:
Indeed you are a Christian.

I don't have time for lousy hypocrites like you. Just get lost.

where do they sell catholic bible that ve have 77 chapters this is first time am hearing...
but i like that drinking aspect o
Jehovah ve mercy on me

Ubenedictus:
it makes absolute sense that Joseph will not touch Mary, Joseph was a Jew not a Nigerian he knew that anything related to God was reserved and can never be used for it usually function. in fact if god passed a door it becomes permanently locked, everything touched by the divine was immediately reserved and any who uses it becomes guilty(cf Daniel vs Nebuchadnezzar) in fact any one who touches it wrongly can be stoned to death....

do you think a Jew in his right mind will have sex with a woman who has been overshadowed by God and made pregnant by him? is he crazy to try that nonsense? besides rabinnic laws prevent a Jew of sleeping with a woman who gave birth for someone else while in your house.

Sir, the angel that brought the message to Joseph told him not to be afraid to take her as his WIFE. ......Mary did not become a lock object or altar of worship to the Lord.

As for Rabinnic law, the secret of Marys pregnancy was actually known to Joseph , Mary and the Lord so there wasn't anyone that her pregnancy could have been attributed to other than Joseph

Matt. 12:46....“While he was still speaking to the crowds, behold, his mother and his brothers were standing outside, seeking to speak with him. And someone said to him: "Behold, your mother and your brothers are standing outside, seeking you." But responding to the one speaking to him, he said, "Which one is my mother, and who are my brothers?" And extending his hand to his disciples, he said: "Behold: my mother and my brothers. For anyone who does the will of my Father, who is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother."”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭12:46-50‬ ‭CPDV‬‬


Mark 6:3; “"Is this not the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joseph, and Jude, and Simon? Are not his sisters also here with us?" And they took great offense at him.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭6:3‬ ‭CPDV‬‬

John 2:12....“After this, he descended to Capernaum, with his mother and his brothers and his disciples, but they did not remain ......


Acts 1:14.....“All these were persevering with one accord in prayer with the women, and with Mary, the mother of Jesus, and with his brothers.”....... Catholic public Domain Bible


‭‭Acts‬ ‭1:14‬ ‭CPDV‬‬
cpdv. 1 Cor. 9:5............Do we not have the authority to travel around with a woman who is a sister,just as do the others apostles , and the brothers of the Lord and cephas......CPDB....... Gal. 1:19..............But others of the apostles saw I none, save for James the Lord's brother.



Matt 18:16 say in the mouth of two or three is a thing confirmed ......That Mary had other children by Joseph has been confirmed by more than three verses from different books of the new testament.

Ubenedictus:
I hope u know that to an Ogun worshipper the physical iron is actually Ogun?

You Have a poor understanding of Ogun.

Butterworth:
You Have a poor understanding of Ogun.

actually I can bet it is you who has a poor understanding of it. iron is regarded by traditionalist as the physical manifestation of their deity.

Smeago007:
Obviously its not
Read the verse properly

It was an aggrieved moment.
Sorrow,dispair etc

so at aggrieved band sorrowful moments it is OK to prostate before images? but it is wrong to do so at calm moments.

Ubenedictus:
so at aggrieved band sorrowful moments it is OK to prostate before images? but it is wrong to do so at calm moments.

Did they worship nor in any form bowed down to it

What's your point?

Blind argument

Smeago007:
Your baseless

it isn't baseless you are claiming that to prostate or bow before images is wrong, I just showed you a biblical example. if you claim we Catholics are committing idolatry then you should also accuse Joshua too.