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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by jazzman2(m): 7:52pm On May 28, 2017
DMerciful:
Chairman,

Read your link very well and be calibrated. Like i said previously, do more research on what a grid means and where to use grid-tie. I have done this research but just for knowledge sharing, a panel with a micro inverter attached converts the panel DC voltage to AC. This AC is transported to the grid-tie inverter. The grid tie powers the house loads and feeds the excess to the grid while when the panel is not generating enuf, collects the deficit from the grid however it is used in a situation where there is constant grid power. the wisdom behind this arrangement is for cost savings as you can sell to the grid as well as not needing backup batteries. If you must have backup batteries then you will need to incorporate offgid inverter. Mind you, you dont need charge controllers in this case. Solar utility companies use the grid tie/micro inverters most especially

Sir, your summation above just shows you don't know much about gridtie nor microinverters. Why would u need a separate standalone gridtie inverter with microinverters? You have already converted DC to AC, so why feed it to another gridtie inverter? Like I said before, do a proper research before publishing on a public forum. Try googling AC coupling, gridtie with battery backup and the info is there for you.

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by GeorgeD1(m): 7:54pm On May 28, 2017
Chuckdee:



WOW!... Congratulations on that massive upgrade GeorgeD!! You keep on amazing us by your trailblazing endeavors, Solar truly works and highly ADDICTIVE i most say too. grin


Quick one, I understand you choose to mount your combiner box inside your ceiling to be away from prying eyes but wouldn't it be much of a hassle to get inside your ceiling, then crawling to where its mounted just to turn off the breakers when you need to service your setup or in cases of emergency?? Or maybe you have another breaker between the box and CC?..

chuckdee,
the challenge of how to access the combiner box especially during emergencies formed part of my
thought process during the planning stage. however, i reasoned that by design, the cb is not something
you go and open up everyday to check except when you're trouble-shooting a fault in your system and this
would be most probably once in a blue moon. if you have your system properly set up from the beginning
you really don't have any business going to peek inside your cb every other day.

and, yes. there is another set of breakers installed between the cb and cc which makes climbing up to the
ceiling unnecessary.

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by DMerciful(m): 7:57pm On May 28, 2017
Suit yourself but when you have done a practical system that works vis-a-vis the opportunity cost then i'll be glad to reapply. There is economics in solar technology!
jazzman2:


Sir, your summation above just shows you don't know much about gridtie nor microinverters. Why would u need a separate standalone gridtie inverter with microinverters? You have already converted DC to AC, so why feed it to another gridtie inverter? Like I said before, do a proper research before publishing on a public forum. Try googling AC coupling, gridtie with battery backup and the info is there for you.
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Barezzi(m): 8:25pm On May 28, 2017
GeorgeD1:


barezzi,
to keep the answer simple, the seemingly large battery bank size is to provide extended hours
of autonomy especially on cloudy days.
Nice one chairman...
Personally, it's cheaper to run the gen for a few hours a year than spend millions building a large battery bank.
Especially with such a huge PV array.

Your battery bank is okay, i understand the rule of thumb is 100AH for every 1kw array.

So for a 7kw plus array, your almost 700Ah bank dey in order.
I don almost perfect my plans to rob bank. I wan be like you tongue
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by DMerciful(m): 8:48pm On May 28, 2017
Run gen? Generator is haram! forbiden grin
Barezzi:

Nice one chairman...
Personally, it's cheaper to run the gen for a few hours a year than spend millions building a large battery bank.
Especially with such a huge PV array.

Your battery bank is okay, i understand the rule of thumb is 100AH for every 1kw array.

So for a 7kw plus array, your almost 700Ah bank dey in order.
I don almost perfect my plans to rob bank. I wan be like you tongue


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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Feshizzy(m): 9:00pm On May 28, 2017
efuro:


welcome to the forum.
on ur question, it is a pity the information u provided is still scanty. u need to do more.

eg. cable size, make of PWM, ba3 type/bank @ 12/24/48 etc, inverter type. it is a DIY setup etc etc.

how did you size ur bank & refill it up at sunrise before complaining the ba3/inverter indicating low voltage quickly.

mind you with little patience u get help soon ( b/cos u have 3 groups in the house- the DIYs like me, professionals, &marketers)

the DIYs are always ready to help base on their knowledge/limit of experience.

the professionals are simply tired of helping or are keeping certain basic info as trade secrets.

finally, marketers are there for all with after sales advises.

if you're convinced you're not getting enough from the house, pls check YouTube there u have thousands of video on various topics on solar. enter ur comments/questions, ur sure to get help.

cheers!

Thank you very much sir For your response,
What I actually need was the correct positioning for the panels,
As it is already positioned facing east as in relation with the roof,

The inverter,
Is a mercury 2.4kva inverter with two very weak 12v 100ah batteries,

And the wiring was done by one very wack techkie using about 10mm cable for about 10 yards

The solar is on the opposite on the roof of a 3 storey building while the cc is on the 2 storey of the building very close to the inverter/battery,

For the controller, it's a cheapo pwm CC of 12/24v 40ah capacity,

Thanks in advance though.
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by mctfopt: 9:47pm On May 28, 2017
DMerciful:
Run gen? Generator is haram! forbiden grin


Big haram. Lol
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by efuro(m): 5:56am On May 29, 2017
Feshizzy:


Thank you very much sir For your response,
What I actually need was the correct positioning for the panels,
As it is already positioned facing east as in relation with the roof,

The inverter,
Is a mercury 2.4kva inverter with two very weak 12v 100ah batteries,

And the wiring was done by one very wack techkie using about 10mm cable for about 10 yards

The solar is on the opposite on the roof of a 3 storey building while the cc is on the 2 storey of the building very close to the inverter/battery,

For the controller, it's a cheapo pwm CC of 12/24v 40ah capacity,

Thanks in advance though.

A re-visit of picture of ur panel and from a DIY point of review of ur installation, I believe it is sufficient enough to give u the needed energy production. what I find odd is u don't have to peel off the black back of the cable. ur cable size is very ok but why peel of the insulating back?

anyway, 40A Cc is thoughtful, the culprit is ur power bank. the PWM CC goes down to the level of ur ba3 & gradually rise or regulate the voltage/amps to ur ba3. unfortunately ur ba3 are not good thus you keep recording low figures which will grow worst till u replace dem.

with ur present state, I advice daytime workloads & nighttime for led bulbs / phone charging only.

my regards!
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by babaegun(m): 6:58am On May 29, 2017
So guys, I finally did it.

Remember my Fangpusun solar CC. I have been able to extract data from it using emoncms. Thanks to bigbrovar & pranil for mentioning it. I was able to sort it out with the help of some guys online. I now have beautiful data which I now access in my house using a simple url in real time.. Find below the wonderful graphs.

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Feshizzy(m): 7:36am On May 29, 2017
efuro:


A re-visit of picture of ur panel and from a DIY point of review of ur installation, I believe it is sufficient enough to give u the needed energy production. what I find odd is u don't have to peel off the black back of the cable. ur cable size is very ok but why peel of the insulating back?

anyway, 40A Cc is thoughtful, the culprit is ur power bank. the PWM CC goes down to the level of ur ba3 & gradually rise or regulate the voltage/amps to ur ba3. unfortunately ur ba3 are not good thus you keep recording low figures which will grow worst till u replace dem.

with ur present state, I advice daytime workloads & nighttime for led bulbs / phone charging only.

my regards!

Thank you once again kind sir,
But I'm more concerned with the position of the panel,
If they are well optimised,
I know the banks and building are weak,
The total harvest was 24ah,
While it was generating 1.4ah
That is less than 30% of the panel rating at peak performance,
I was expecting a generation of about 4 - 5ah during peak period!
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by efuro(m): 8:37am On May 29, 2017
Feshizzy:


Thank you once again kind sir,
But I'm more concerned with the position of the panel,
If they are well optimised,
I know the banks and building are weak,
The total harvest was 24ah,
While it was generating 1.4ah
That is less than 30% of the panel rating at peak performance,
I was expecting a generation of about 4 - 5ah during peak period!

pls check the MC4 / cables joint. it may have been poorly connected thus you are losing energy.
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Saipro(m): 8:47am On May 29, 2017
chris81964:

The batteries in the video are not mine. However we will be doing an upgrade in a month. I will put them up for sale

I'm on queue. Reserve one (1) battery for me, even if I am offline. I want to wait till the end of the year before selling off mine. I need to add one more to complete the bank. The battery would make the annoying alarm buzz go away.
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by nene2016(m): 8:52am On May 29, 2017
Please below is a table of my solar energy need calculations and I would be grateful if the bosses in the house could check it if my calculations are accurate and I welcome your suggestions.

Thank you for your time.

Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Barezzi(m): 9:14am On May 29, 2017
You need a battery bank to store twice your total WH(~3000wh × 2)@ max 50% DOD.
Discounting system losses, you're looking at about 500Ah for a 12v system.
Inverters for the range you've chosen are usually 12v.
Such a small inverter may not effectively charge a 500Ah battery bank.

Stepping up to a 24v inverter will drop the battery bank requirement to 250Ah.
30A mppt CC and a 600W PV array.

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by efuro(m): 9:32am On May 29, 2017
nene2016:
Please below is a table of my solar energy need calculations and I would be grateful if the bosses in the house could check it if my calculations are accurate and I welcome your suggestions.

Thank you for your time.

wastage of ur loads are not what dey seems to be. add 0.25% factor. eg. ur 6w led bulbs are not truly 6w etc etc.

to be on a safe side I agree with what Barezzi said above

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by mcci: 9:56am On May 29, 2017
GeorgeD1:


mcci,
the panels are in 3 x 4 configuration making a total of 12 units for both sides.

Do you not risk damaging your CCs on very cold mornings? It may exceed the recommended 150Voc
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by DMerciful(m): 10:45am On May 29, 2017
Its 3*4 and not 4*3. 3*4 will be amounting to about 120V or less unloaded
mcci:


Do you not risk damaging your CCs on very cold mornings? It may exceed the recommended 150Voc
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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by GeorgeD1(m): 11:24am On May 29, 2017
mcci:


Do you not risk damaging your CCs on very cold mornings? It may exceed the recommended 150Voc

mcci,

before settling for the 3 x 4 configuration, i ran the module data through various
string sizing tools (morningstar, midnite solar, etc) and got assurance that everything
was alright.
as for cold mornings, it is heartwarming to note that we are living in the tropics where
temperatures hardly fall below 250, so no worries at all.

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by bigrovar(m): 1:33pm On May 29, 2017
jazzman2:

Pls Sir, do some research. You are completely wrong, all microinverters in the market today are gridtie inverters also. Check out this link:
https://www.solar-electric.com/residential/inverters/grid-tie-inverters.html
Am with you her jazzman. When it comes to AC coupled system the 2 major approach is to get a gridtie Inverter. Or Micro Inverters. The basic element of both approaches are they by pass the need for a charge controller. The gridtie Inverter takes DC from your array and converter them in the fly to AC for use in the house. The excess is either sold to the grid where there is net metering or can be connected to an off-grid Inverter which can then charge a battery bank. SMA sonnybouy even has hybrid system where the gridtie can power the house and at same time connected to a battery bank which acts as backup should the sun drop lower than consumption.

In all gridtie basically converter DC from array straight to AC with ability to "sell" or divert the excess electricity to another use eg charge battery or use for heating water.

Micro Inverter are tiny inverters attached to the back of a PV array. The convert the dc being generated into AC on the fly. Because a micro Inverter is connected to individual PV. They provide the best solution to shading on an array. Here only the shaded PV is affected since each PV has its own MI hence a single panel can't bring the system down. And because the electricity is sent in high voltage you get less wiring lose. Micro inverters can also be configured to sell excess electricity to the grid or used up for charging a battery bank or diverted to heat water.

The advantages of the above approache is there cut the waste off-grid can lose close to 45% of generated electricity to losses from wiring, battery to Inverter. Loses you don't get with an AC coupled solar setup.

The future of renewable is hybrid systems which are smart can generate AC on the fly and backup excess to battery or feed back to the grid.

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by bigrovar(m): 1:54pm On May 29, 2017
nene2016:
I have a a keen interest in solar energy since the first day i stumbled upon this thread. Thank you all for the info on solar. I want to start using solar to power my appliances and i would be grateful for some pointers. I want start small and make add-ons as and when funds are available.
For starters i want to start with the following:
1. 5 6W bulbs (on for 12 hrs)
2. 8 6W bulbs (on for 4 hrs cumulatively)
3. 1 Led Tv 90W (on for 4hrs)
4. 2 fans (on 8hrs)
5. Charge phones
What do i need to start the solar journey.
Thank you for your time.

5 * 6 * 12 = 360wh
8 * 6 * 4 = 128 wh
90 * 4 = 360 wh
I will assume the fans are normal standing fan
40 * 2 * 8 = 640wh

I will assume charging phones is for 4 hours and 3 phones

12w * 3 * 3 = 108wh

1596 which we round off to 1600wh

That's your daily consumption based on the above stated numbers.

The number of PV you would need to generate what is used (note that due to battery inefficiency and other loses you would need to generate more than 1600 to replace the 1600wh used up daily)

You can start with 2 250w panels or better still 3. At 750w panel would be sufficient to meet your daily needs and give you some chance at day time opportunity loads. 500w would be fine.

Using a general rule of 5 day sun a 500 what panel would theoretically give u 2500wh. When we include the 70% derating of the panels due to general off-grid inefficiency

2500 * .70 = 1750wh

That's the amount u would be able to generate in a day.

For battery bank. The general rule is to your battery at 50% depth of discharge

Go for a 24v system with a 24v Inverter there are more efficient and makes it easier to upgrade.

2 150ah or 200ah battery should be fine. If it's a 200ah battery

200 * 24 = 4800wh

Your daily 1600wh would represent about 34% depth of discharge which will give u a healthy battery that will last and last.

3 panels would ensure you are able to out back what you use. 2 batteries ensure you never over use the battery. 24v Inverter better efficiency.

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Barezzi(m): 2:28pm On May 29, 2017
babaegun:
So guys, I finally did it.

Remember my Fangpusun solar CC. I have been able to extract data from it using emoncms...
Kindly share how you achieved this bro. I'm interested.

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by DUNKA(m): 2:32pm On May 29, 2017
GeorgeD1:


mcci,

before settling for the 3 x 4 configuration, i ran the module data through various
string sizing tools (morningstar, midnite solar, etc) and got assurance that everything
was alright.
as for cold mornings, it is heartwarming to note that we are living in the tropics where
temperatures hardly fall below 250, so no worries at all.
chief george really impressive array. Any particular reason you did not go for the higher rated solar world panels?
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by kiekie1(m): 3:55pm On May 29, 2017
DUNKA:
chief george really impressive array. Any particular reason you did not go for the higher rated solar world panels?

Solar world 315w xl mono is an Extra large module best suited for his upgrade .. The 325w xl duo is best used on car port pv systems , field pv systems as it has duo cells (front & back cells).. This module is designed in a way that the back facing cells compensates PV output through bottom/ground reflection. Its not suitable for direct rooftop installations ...

Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by DUNKA(m): 3:57pm On May 29, 2017
kiekie1:


Solar world 315w xl mono is an Extra large module best suited for his upgrade .. The 325w xl duo is best used on car port pv systems , field pv systems as it has duo cells (front & back cells).. This module is designed in a way that the back facing cells compensates PV output through bottom/ground reflection. Its not suitable for direct rooftop installations ...
Really enlightening. Thanks

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Saipro(m): 3:57pm On May 29, 2017
I have been having immense problems replying posts as well as opening some nairaland forums. I have had to device some workarounds. Even quoting posts now requires manual tagging. Anyone else having these issues?
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Saipro(m): 3:58pm On May 29, 2017
I have been having immense problems replying posts as well as opening some nairaland forums. I have had to device some workarounds. Even quoting posts now requires manual tagging. Anyone else having these issues?

Other Web pages/sites load seemlessly.
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Saipro(m): 4:05pm On May 29, 2017
Saipro:
I have been having immense problems replying posts as well as opening some nairaland forums. I have had to device some workarounds. Even quoting posts now requires manual tagging. Anyone else having these issues?

Other Web pages/sites load seamlessly.
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Seun(m): 4:06pm On May 29, 2017
Saipro:
I have been having immense problems replying posts as well as opening some nairaland forums. I have had to device some workarounds. Even quoting posts now requires manual tagging. Anyone else having these issues?
Which posts and which forums and which network and which phone and which browser?
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Barezzi(m): 4:07pm On May 29, 2017
Saipro:
I have been having immense problems replying posts as well as opening some nairaland forums. I have had to device some workarounds. Even quoting posts now requires manual tagging. Anyone else having these issues?
Nairaland has issues. It keeps throwing me out, and requesting i re-enter my username and password.
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Saipro(m): 4:20pm On May 29, 2017
Seun:
Which posts and which forums and which network and which phone and which browser?

Firefox, IE, 3 different opera versions and Chrome. Sorry for the multiple posts. Was attempting to post concurrently from different browsers on on my laptop. The previous posts were from IE and Firefox. This is coming from Chrome. Glo network yesterday and today. MTN day before yesterday.

BTW, I am reading posts on this forum via the the reply (newpost) page. Can't open regular pages. Manually doing quotes too

PS: I hope my opening different browsers won't overload the connections to your servers lest it appears as a DoS attack. No other way to assure getting through.
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by nene2016(m): 5:30pm On May 29, 2017
Thank you very much sir. I appreciate. So i can get 2 12v 250Ah batteries and connect them in series. Please could you suggest a good 24v inverter and battery brands I should get? Thank you.

Barezzi:
You need a battery bank to store twice your total WH(~3000wh × 2)@ max 50% DOD.
Discounting system losses, you're looking at about 500Ah for a 12v system.
Inverters for the range you've chosen are usually 12v.
Such a small inverter may not effectively charge a 500Ah battery bank.

Stepping up to a 24v inverter will drop the battery bank requirement to 250Ah.
30A mppt CC and a 600W PV array.

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