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wirinet:
I can forgive your naivity.It may be due to high emotions and so unable to think thing clearly for now.

How can you compare Nigeria to Indonesia. Nigeria has one crucial commodity - Crude
Are you aware of the international forces that is interested in Nigeria? There is of course the British, then there are the Americans (who are even still interested in have a base in the Gulf of Guinea), you have the predatory French who are ready to pounce on the oil rich areas bordering Cameroon. Do not forget the Chinese who are looking to expand their influence into Africa, especially Nigeria. I almost forgot Iran, Saudi Arabia and other Arab states that wants to exert their influence in Nigeria.

Please do not pray for a conflict, it might result in a kind of 'Mutually Assured Destruction' war, with different groups armed and supported by different international forces.

Please never pray for a conflict

You are the real naive person here

The reason the British did not give Ojukwu full support is because he never made it clear to the British that they will still be drilling Biafran oil

In short, Ojukwu had previously destroyed British contracts when he was the Quartermaster of the Nigerian military

The thing you failed to learn is that Nnamdi Kanu has already given out the oil to international players for Biafra

Think my dear

Use that thing between your ears


You think Nnamdi Kanu is fighting without international support

fulanmafia:
Oh yes there was violence no doubt, it DOES NOT CHANGE THE FACT that the UN Referendum was on the request of the Indonesian President Habibie (as contained in my extract above) and not any albino fraudster. I emphasize that the UN cannot force a referendum on its members.

Good luck with your violence and see you in 2027.

Britain conducted a national referendum

Why didn't Indonesia conduct hers but had to wait for a UN referendum ?


Think deep

wirinet:
If you say Restructuring is not possible because of difficult constitutional requirements, how do you then think secession will then be possible?
The main hurdle to restructuring is not necessarily the constitution, it is our elites - both political and business elites from all tribes including Ndigbo.
The elites of Nigeria are too pampered and enjoy huge advantages, they will not let go of these advantages willingly. If only the southern elites advocate for restructuring, believe me the north will start panicking and initiate negotiations.
Now tell me how many national assembly members advocate for restructuring. Name just one Ndigbo son advocating for restructuring. Tell me one civil society group advocating for restructuring. Tell me just one party that has restructuring as part of its manifesto. NONE.

Guy get real. Why do you think the mainly muslim North wants to do 'one Nigeria' with the mainly Christian South? You think its out of love? It is purely for the economic benefits such as Oil money, political dominance, Sea-port etc. So how do you think they are going to give that all that up? Even if all the legislators in the south of Nigeria voted for restructuring (which would even be a minor miracle)a chunk of Northern votes will still be needed to get that elusive 67% vote needed. How do you think anybody in the North will vote for restructuring that will make them lose access to oil money and reduce their political control of Nigeria? Not in a million years!

Secession on the other hand is different, it doesnt need the help of the North to be realised. Im not saying that secession is easy, but it is a much better option than restructuring that is mission impossible. If any one of the 3 main ethnic groups takes up arms, thats the day Nigeria will come to an end because there will be no way Nigeria will be able to justify killing many people again in the name of 'one Nigeria'.

However, pressure can be put on the Nigerian government to grant a referendum

fulanmafia:
Oh yes there was violence no doubt, it DOES NOT CHANGE THE FACT that the UN Referendum was on the request of the Indonesian President Habibie (as contained in my extract above) and not any albino fraudster. I emphasize that the UN cannot force a referendum on its members.

Good luck with your violence and see you in 2027.

The so called request may not be his will, otherwise he could have made the request to avert crises in the first place. UN"" can force you and still make you submit a "request"

HiddenShadow:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Timor

East Timor was colonised by Portugal in the 16th century, and was known as Portuguese Timor until 28 November 1975, when the Revolutionary Front for an Independent East Timor (FRETILIN) declared the territory's independence. Nine days later, it was invaded and occupied by Indonesia and was declared Indonesia's 27th province the following year. The Indonesian occupation of East Timor was characterised by a highly violent decades-long conflict between separatist groups (especially FRETILIN) and the Indonesian military.
In 1999, following the United Nations-sponsored act of self-determination, Indonesia relinquished control of the territory. East Timor became the first new sovereign state of the 21st century on 20 May 2002 and joined the United Nations and the Community of Portuguese Language Countries . In 2011, East Timor announced its
intention to gain membership status in the
Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) by applying to become its eleventh member. [12] It is one of only two predominantly Christian nations in Southeast Asia, the other being the Philippines



Now answer the following questions

1) Was there violence before UN intervened

2) Why didn't Indonesia conduct a referendum but had to wait for a UN referendum.



Chigboboss Shakaboom Ogbuefi2020 wirinet


pls you guys should ask fulanmafia these 2 questions after reading the main content I extracted

Pls help me school that boy he needs to learn

kingzizzy:
Guy get real. Why do you think the mainly muslim North wants to do 'one Nigeria' with the mainly Christian South? You think its out of love? It is purely for the economic benefits such as Oil money, political dominance, Sea-port etc. So how do you think they are going to give that all that up? Even if all the legislators in the south of Nigeria voted for restructuring (which would even be a minor miracle)a chunk of Northern votes will still be needed to get that elusive 67% vote needed. How do you think anybody in the North will vote for restructuring that will make them lose access to oil money and reduce their political control of Nigeria? Not in a million years!

Secession on the other hand is different, it doesnt need the help of the North to be realised. Im not saying that secession is easy, but it is a much better option than restructuring that is mission impossible. If any one of the 3 main ethnic groups takes up arms, thats the day Nigeria will come to an end because there will be no way Nigeria will be able to justify killing many people again in the name of 'one Nigeria'.

However, pressure can be put on the Nigerian government to grant a referendum

The part in bold is the point fulanimafia is missing in his so called "request" for referendum in East Timor

HiddenShadow:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Timor

East Timor was colonised by Portugal in the 16th century, and was known as Portuguese Timor until 28 November 1975, when the Revolutionary Front for an Independent East Timor (FRETILIN) declared the territory's independence. Nine days later, it was invaded and occupied by Indonesia and was declared Indonesia's 27th province the following year. The Indonesian occupation of East Timor was characterised by a highly violent decades-long conflict between separatist groups (especially FRETILIN) and the Indonesian military.
In 1999, following the United Nations-sponsored act of self-determination, Indonesia relinquished control of the territory. East Timor became the first new sovereign state of the 21st century on 20 May 2002 and joined the United Nations and the Community of Portuguese Language Countries . In 2011, East Timor announced its
intention to gain membership status in the
Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) by applying to become its eleventh member. [12] It is one of only two predominantly Christian nations in Southeast Asia, the other being the Philippines



Now answer the following questions

1) Was there violence before UN intervened

2) Why didn't Indonesia conduct a referendum but had to wait for a UN referendum.



Chigboboss Shakaboom Ogbuefi2020 wirinet


pls you guys should ask fulanmafia these 2 questions after reading the main content I extracted

You are comparing Oranges to agbalumo. Indonesia was colonized by the dutch while East Timor was colonized by the Portuguese. On the Portuguese relinquishing power in 1975, Indonesia invaded East Timor and occupied the country. So Naturally, the East Timoreans will resist the invasion and rebel. It is logical that after 25 years of rebellion, the UN came in and organized a referendum to free East Timor from Indonesia.

Now enter Nigeria that was allocated to Britain in 1884, It remained british property until it was handed independence in 1960. You think the UN can do anything in Nigeria without the permission of Britain? If you do no know, the Europeans still respect the 1884 boundaries they shared to themselves. The Bakassi episode should show you that.

kingzizzy:
Guy get real. Why do you think the mainly muslim North wants to do 'one Nigeria' with the mainly Christian South? You think its out of love? It is purely for the economic benefits such as Oil money, political dominance, Sea-port etc. So how do you think they are going to give that all that up? Even if all the legislators in the south of Nigeria voted for restructuring (which would even be a minor miracle)a chunk of Northern votes will still be needed to get that elusive 67% vote needed. How do you think anybody in the North will vote for restructuring that will make them lose access to oil money and reduce their political control of Nigeria? Not in a million years!

Secession on the other hand is different, it doesnt need the help of the North to be realised. Im not saying that secession is easy, but it is a much better option than restructuring that is mission impossible. If any one of the 3 main ethnic groups takes up arms, thats the day Nigeria will come to an end because there will be no way Nigeria will be able to justify killing many people again in the name of 'one Nigeria'.

However, pressure can be put on the Nigerian government to grant a referendum

Indonesia/East Timor is playing out already in Nigeria

I pity any part that will remain after the independence of Biafra

wirinet:
You are comparing Oranges to agbalumo. Indonesia was colonized by the dutch while East Timor was colonized by the Portuguese. On the Portuguese relinquishing power in 1975, Indonesia invaded East Timor and occupied the country. So Naturally, the East Timoreans will resist the invasion and rebel. It is logical that after 25 years of rebellion, the UN came in and organized a referendum to free East Timor from Indonesia.

Now enter Nigeria that was allocated to Britain in 1884, It remained british property until it was handed independence in 1960. You think the UN can do anything in Nigeria without the permission of Britain? If you do no know, the Europeans still respect the 1884 boundaries they shared to themselves. The Bakassi episode should show you that.

You are really naive


The government of Britain now under labor party is pro-Referendum

The British people now are pro-Referendum


Do you know that some pro-Biafran British Parliament members (Senators) brought the issue of Biafra before their parliament


You guys don't know what is happening internationally


Nnamdi Kanu has brilliantly trap Nigerians because of Buhari's stupidity


Jonathan wisely avoided him but Buhari foolishly arrested him


Why do you think the FG hasn't re-arrested him after breaking all the useless bail conditions

Ogbuefi2020:
The so called request may not be his will, otherwise he could have made the request to avert crises in the first place. UN"" can force you and still make you submit a "request"

@ underlined...Have we jumped from a factual discourse to speculation? That is a sign of defeat already.

...and the bolded makes NO sense. Elucidate to make your point if it exists.

Your East Timor 'argument' was dead on arrival as I've shown you.

Ogbuefi2020:
The part in bold is the point fulanimafia is missing in his so called "request" for referendum in East Timor

Kindly clarify the kind of "pressure" that can force the National Assembly and the majority of its members to vote in favour of inserting a referendum clause in the constitution

I'm waiting...

HiddenShadow:
Britain conducted a national referendum

Why didn't Indonesia conduct hers but had to wait for a UN referendum ?


Think deep

Are you totally incapable of processing the 2 words "Requested Referendum"?

SMH

fulanmafia:
The Indonesia/East Timor 'argument' was dead on arrival.

This is the reason I hate debating with IPOB youths, you guys are so arrogant in your ignorance. You just spew bare face lies or maybe ignorance and use that to support your views and agitations.

HiddenShadow:
You are really naive


The government of Britain now under labor party is pro-Referendum

The government of Britain is under labour party? Do you even know the current British prime minister?

The British people now are pro-Referendum

Proof the British people are pro referendum. Do the ordinary British people even know what Biafra means?

Do you know that some pro-Biafran British Parliament members (Senators) brought the issue of Biafra before their parliament

What do you Mean by parliament members? The British parliament consists of two houses - house of commons and house of Lords. It is the house of Lords that can be likened to senators.
How many parliament members are pro Biafra? The house of commons has over 300 members.

Nnamdi Kanu has brilliantly trap Nigerians because of Buhari's stupidity

How? A kanu that had been begging for his freedom, that is under bail?

Jonathan wisely avoided him but Buhari foolishly arrested him.

How can Jonathan avoid him when he said Jonathan is our brother. He was a Jonathan supporter so Jonathan cannot avoid him.

Why do you think the FG hasn't re-arrested him after breaking all the useless bail conditions

If the FG should rearrest him, it is people like you that will be crying all over the place. Kanu is just on bail, he will still go through trial.