Daboomb:
If you use FIVE DAYS to dig a trench of an already Pegged land, then l will assume you did all the digging for a very large Mansion, all by yourself!
Share the loot please, let your boys chop out of it.

Five labourers will finish any trench for a block of four flats (2Up, 2down) in a single day.
Labour = #2,000 each.
Oga Spyder = #10,000 for supervision.

What else?



My Oga Spyder, l am wondering why you keep towing this path?
If we must take a challenge, we should at least be speaking about the same thing.
I have quoted again, my initial post, upon which l based my argument.

It was based on a FOUR FLAT Configuration (2-Up, 2-Down)
Now, you throw a challenge, without stating whether your challenge conforms to the configuration ls stated in my assertion?

How can yo use the trench-digging of a "Big Mansion" with that of a Four Flats?
Moreover, l have seen some of the Trenches dug by our Contractors, some are no deeper that 2feet, in a good red soil.

So, if you clearly state the terms of your challenge and it conforms to my initial post, l will certainly take up your challenge.

And please dont forget to add 'transport fee' for me and my boys to the location you want us to work in.

I am not ruling out the fact that some terrains can be challenging (As in those one with Rocks that you showed in those picture) but we all know that when we make these points, we are speaking from an "average and generalized" point of view.
Not one or two, specific cases that are not the norm.




My able Engineer, I am not very sure what you mean by the bolded.
20m or above for column base? is that an 'area' or 'depth' of trench measurement?
In saying it will take more than 3days, you did not state how many Labourers are involved in those 3days?
Is it five , ten or just two labourers?

Digging the 'Trenches' is included in "Excavation" of Pad footings now?
All 'DIGGINGS' that have to do with foundation, is included in that statement of 'digging trenches'.

Finally, to make arguments meaningful and beneficial to all of us, we should make ourselves clear and conform to the same points in the argument.
Bless both of you.

spyder880:


@ Purple bolded, most large mansions I have built have smaller footprints than a 4 flat house. 4 flats house will even be more expensive to excavate than a large mansion, since most large mansions cannot have up to 4 bedrooms on the ground floor, two kitchens, 4-6 toilets, 2 dining rooms, 4 balconies etc which a 4 flat house will have on the ground floor.

But hey, why should we even argue about it since I noticed from your latest post that it will be an unfair comparison since the assumptions of 2 feet foundation is way below our normal 1 meter of depth and 1 meter width foundations. Its like comparing two very different things, and that's where I became concerned. Anyone who reads your previous post of N10,000 excavation and N10,000 supervision cost may get the wrong message, and may go back and tackle his builder/engineer/supervisor or contractor for ripping them off. And the poor builder maybe loosing his shirt in the whole deal. Most excavations for 4 flats in areas I work may be above N200,000.00

Don't mind my last challenge, na play we dey play, and this is weekend so lets all unwind and enjoy the best of life.

EgunMogaji:


The only thing I show my builder is your impressive quality of work, and frankly that's where it stops, because you don't build small structures anymore.

I haven't seen you shown any poormans kobokobo house in a while. I consider you and Skimanski builders of multi family residences.

The foundation of a small bungalow will consume less resources than that of your typically 3/4/5 story building.

spyder880:


I build bungalows too my Oga, I have a new bungalow in progress in Warri presently.

PrinceLat:
Good day house, please can someone help me differentiate with pictures, the difference between a 5 ton and 10 ton truck, I told someone I need 10 tonnes of granite, but he's saying it's 6 tyres, I do know I've seen a tipper with 6 tyres and another bigger tipper with also 6 tyres. I just want to know the physical difference in pictures, I tried Google, but na so so oyibo oyibo truck the thing dey show me.

Thanks

mufutau55:


You are right Boss. I have a contractor who charges me 150-160k for the whole job but will not disclose to me which type of wires he will use or how full the wires will be... So I decided to do it on my own. At least I know the quality of the materials and the closeness of the wires.

So you bought the wires from ebay and have it shipped to Naija?

Hajji M.

adanny01:


Why didnt you opt for electrified fence which is far safer than this thing robbers never see as challenge. Cost difference is not much. 200k would have done it just like you handled this one.

Some ppl install electric fence with no energizer and robbers still get goose pimples on mere thought of getting a shock.

If you have energizer, they never know when its on or off, this idea keeps every body off the fence unless the robber is a pole jumper in which case he may not walk away from the raid.

spyder880:


@ Purple bolded, most large mansions I have built have smaller footprints than a 4 flat house. 4 flats house will even be more expensive to excavate than a large mansion, since most large mansions cannot have up to 4 bedrooms on the ground floor, two kitchens, 4-6 toilets, 2 dining rooms, 4 balconies etc which a 4 flat house will have on the ground floor.

But hey, why should we even argue about it since I noticed from your latest post that it will be an unfair comparison since the assumptions of 2 feet foundation is way below our normal 1 meter of depth and 1 meter width foundations. Its like comparing two very different things, and that's where I became concerned. Anyone who reads your previous post of N10,000 excavation and N10,000 supervision cost may get the wrong message, and may go back and tackle his builder/engineer/supervisor or contractor for ripping them off. And the poor builder maybe loosing his shirt in the whole deal. Most excavations for 4 flats in areas I work may be above N200,000.00

Don't mind my last challenge, na play we dey play, and this is weekend so lets all unwind and enjoy the best of life.

Daboomb:


If the Robber notices that 'NEPA' have taken power and say by 1pm, your Generator went off, what do you think will be going on through the Robbers mind?
Would the Robbers not be shouting "Alleluyah, God don catch am" or does the energizer not need constant Power supply to work?
I am just wondering becos that is what put me off the Elelctric fence route: I cannot ensure that Generator will be on 24/7 or go and refuel it in the middle of Night, if it goes off.
I hear sef that some Robbers along Ikorodu. they wear insultaor Boots and hand Gloves like say dem dey work for Nepa office!

Daboomb:


If the Robber notices that 'NEPA' have taken power and say by 1pm, your Generator went off, what do you think will be going on through the Robbers mind?
Would the Robbers not be shouting "Alleluyah, God don catch am" or does the energizer not need constant Power supply to work?
I am just wondering becos that is what put me off the Elelctric fence route: I cannot ensure that Generator will be on 24/7 or go and refuel it in the middle of Night, if it goes off.
I hear sef that some Robbers along Ikorodu. they wear insultaor Boots and hand Gloves like say dem dey work for Nepa office!

EgunMogaji:
Some bricklaying tools for the site. Hoping it will increase quality.

Daboomb:


If the Robber notices that 'NEPA' have taken power and say by 1pm, your Generator went off, what do you think will be going on through the Robbers mind?
Would the Robbers not be shouting "Alleluyah, God don catch am" or does the energizer not need constant Power supply to work?
I am just wondering becos that is what put me off the Elelctric fence route: I cannot ensure that Generator will be on 24/7 or go and refuel it in the middle of Night, if it goes off.
I hear sef that some Robbers along Ikorodu. they wear insultaor Boots and hand Gloves like say dem dey work for Nepa office!

adanny01:


The standard energizer comes inbuilt with a 7.5ah 12v battery and charger that can last 48hrs or more giving very serious shock of between 4000-10,000v. It has settings of low voltage and high voltage. When your are away from the house you can set it to low voltage and it can last far more thag 48hrs without charging. Besides, there is a solar panel add in. You can have peace of mind that only your gate can be broken.

It also comes with a siren and strobe light alarm, that will sound and display when it shocks someone, fence wire is cut or two wires bridge themselves.

You set up and forget about it unless you dont have power for 2 days or more.

The fact that its on or off at times doesnot matter and system remains a very serious deterrent to intuders cause they never know when your battery is dead.

The shock itself is not fatal but paralysing because it comes in a pulse lasting for less than a second. If it were continues, it will kill. The powerful jolt will cause muscle cramp so an intruder cannot hold on for the next pulse, he would have let go off the wire and fallen from being paralysed for some time. The jolt is enough to send a human flying from top of the fence to the ground.

Also, it is better to install a top or bottom bent fence bracket. The bend should be outwards. This ensures that even if you wear protection, it is difficult for a robber to navigate himself or stand on top of the fence without tampering with the fence bracket.

Say you install a 10 line bottom bent bracket, the intruder must be protected to his head and still may not be able to cross.

Daboomb:


Thanks for this your educative response.
I honestly did not know a lot of things you mentioned above, hence my initial lukewarm attitude towards it.
Like Egunmogaji pointed out, l do worry about exposing a Perimeter fence l share with others(or one that the next house has direct access to), to lethal force (even though armed robbers do not fall into my bucket of sympathy) but your explanation have cleared the air a lot.

And let me also ask: how is it possible that one may use this deterrent for one's personal home, as in let us assume l have a Maiguard, spiked gates and Dogs, e.t.c. But l dont have an electrified fence because l fear someone who is not a thief might try come-in unexpectedly ( I have encountered a useless Boy who climbed my fence from their won side of the wall, just to retrieve his junior brothers ball that came over the fence, instead of going round his own gate, press the bell on my gate and then allowed inside officially! If my fence was elelctrified at that point, l fear for his health though l was not amused with such silly behaviour.) and get shocked.
Let us also assume that the assailant has breached all those layers of deterrent and what remains now is for him to breach the personal entrance to my living space (Living room, kitchens, bedrooms, ....the innermost layer of my house that needs protection!)

Is it possible, and How can the doors/windows to such "personal space be energetically electrified" (if it can be done) so that the assailant has no excuse at that point, to say l did not come to burgle or cause harm because l would expect you to use my Door Bell, if you came visiting without notice, at the door to my living room?

I am looking at a situation where l can reserve such level of protection, as a last resort or last line of defence?
Can you shed light on possible ways of achieving this.
Once again, than you for your 'eye opener' explanations.

@Egunmogaji: I suppose my question also falls in-line with your line of thought?

Truthinlife:
Hello Hajj and everyone,
Thanks for the suggestions and advice.
Attached are the phtotos.
Hope I'm not violating any rules by uploading these photos; I don't wish to be barred.

Truthinlife:
Hello Hajj and everyone,
Thanks for the suggestions and advice.
Attached are the phtotos.
Hope I'm not violating any rules by uploading these photos; I don't wish to be barred.

Daboomb:


Thanks for this your educative response.
I honestly did not know a lot of things you mentioned above, hence my initial lukewarm attitude towards it.
Like Egunmogaji pointed out, l do worry about exposing a Perimeter fence l share with others(or one that the next house has direct access to), to lethal force (even though armed robbers do not fall into my bucket of sympathy) but your explanation have cleared the air a lot.

And let me also ask: how is it possible that one may use this deterrent for one's personal home, as in let us assume l have a Maiguard, spiked gates and Dogs, e.t.c. But l dont have an electrified fence because l fear someone who is not a thief might try come-in unexpectedly ( I have encountered a useless Boy who climbed my fence from their won side of the wall, just to retrieve his junior brothers ball that came over the fence, instead of going round his own gate, press the bell on my gate and then allowed inside officially! If my fence was elelctrified at that point, l fear for his health I wonder if you have razor wire on your fence, whether he climbed the fence with a razor wire installed. If he was that stupid, then i guess electric fence would not deter him which in my opinion you would not be responsible. Some children can be that dumb. My children and some neighbours children were playing outside my house 2 days ago while my car was parked outside. A boy playing removed my front Honda Logo but instead of coming to apologise or keep it some where i can find it, he threw it over the fence of an abandoned building full of grasses. It took an hour to find it after my 3 year old boy was wise enough to come and report to me. I reported the boy's behaviour to his mum who gave him the beating of his life, i had to intervene. At that point we had not seen the logo yet. Installing a lethal deterrant and placing a warning is enough to absolve you of negligence in the event the system hurts someone who had no ill motive. though l was not amused with such silly behaviour.) and get shocked.
Let us also assume that the assailant has breached all those layers of deterrent and what remains now is for him to breach the personal entrance to my living space (Living room, kitchens, bedrooms, ....the innermost layer of my house that needs protection!)

Is it possible, and How can the doors/windows to such "personal space be energetically electrified" (if it can be done) so that the assailant has no excuse at that point, to say l did not come to burgle or cause harm because l would expect you to use my Door Bell, if you came visiting without notice, at the door to my living room?

I am looking at a situation where l can reserve such level of protection, as a last resort or last line of defence?
Can you shed light on possible ways of achieving this.
Once again, than you for your 'eye opener' explanations.

The electric fence system is only designed for fencing with or without a fence wall. The live fence wire must not make contact to anything so wouldnt work on a window burglary installed directly to a wall. I did an installation one time, i didnt get necessary result so i went on a walk test, i found a point where the wire made a little contact to the wall. As little as that contact is, it caused a problem and will cause more in form of false alarm during rains. At that point, a spark similar to that of spark plug is visible with each pulse of the energizer. The wall itself would act as earth leak which the energizer will treat as a live bridge. There are other add ons to the electrified system that can serve as an intruder alarm trigger but not as a deterrant. Example is the gate contact where you can have a time limit which your gate can remain open. The system triggers alarm after the preset time is exceeded. There is also the infrared door trigger which can also be used on a window. A motion sensor can also be included.

@Egunmogaji: I suppose my question also falls in-line with your line of thought?

The thread below might make interesting reading!

https://www.nairaland.com/2887149/photo-despite-electric-gate-fence#42282744

https://www.nairaland.com/1926415/suspected-diesel-thief-dies-electric#26737573

You are liable only to the requirement of puting a warning sign every 10meters and every change in direction of your electrified fence. It is also safer that the fence be a least 2metres in height. As a gesture, you can have a regime of turning on the energizer only during odd hours or when no one is home.

Of course, no deterrant system is unbeatable. Electrified fence gives you more fence line protection than any other i know. It also alerts you and neighnours of a breach and with a GSM dailer device, it can automatically alert security services of a breach to your home.

Lastly, i guess you want to avoid problems with neighbours in the event someone from their side gets hurt. In my opinion, no neighbour can legally object to you installing this system unless he built that part of the wall which you must seek his understanding else you build your wall parallel to his and do what you like. They should educate their family members on the system for their own safety same way you would with a vicious dog.

mufutau55:


Very good. You are not violating any rules posting the pictures... it is just for eduction.
So now tell us the cost o... for the bundles of PVC.

Hajji M.

Truthinlife:

We bought 20 bundles of Nigerian PVC product at 5,700 naira per bundle. They also showed us Chinese products for 5,200, but not durable.

Chekitaut:
Chai sorry every1, responding late, 2types of 6tires.
The normal traditional one Bedford(tipper) is 4tons(Bed level) & when hip 5tons
Another 6tires lift 10tons(bed) when hip is +2tons or less pics of 10tons below
Ijebu supplier call it Olorun osun, Abeokuta call it Volvo.
Ibadan suppliers call it Man diesel
Calabar & PH is 911

Truthinlife:

We bought 20 bundles of Nigerian PVC product at 5,700 naira per bundle. They also showed us Chinese products for 5,200, but not durable.

mufutau55:


Thank you Sir. How many in a bundle and what size is the PVC? They usually come narrow or wide in size of each piece.

Hajji M.

adanny01:


In general, there are several add-on devices that can boost the level of security. One cannot overlook personal safety for fear of hurting someone who clearly is beyond his limits. Accidents do happen, it is not intended.

MODIFIED
Let me add by saying that an electrified fence in comparison to other devices that deliver shock is a non lethal system.

Most security energizers deliver 10,000volts or less while a car spark plug will deliver up to 50,000volts and a taser or stun gun delivers 50,000 to 300,000volts. A defibrillator uses 300-1000volts directed to the heart.

This means that a taser is a worst case scenerio of the electric fence, meaning if a human can take 300,000 and survive, certaily electric fence is far from lethal. However, the resultant lethal effect of the electric fence is that its at a height usually above 1.5m from the ground. A human is more likely to fall uncontrollably than get killed by the shock itself. From this height, anything can happen leading to death or other serious injury.

A 330kv (330,000volts) transmission line which is the highest in Nigeria is more likely to fry you dead because of the high current and the lack of pulse. Voltage doesnt kill but current kills.

ThankU:
Hi people, please can you direct me to a thread where I can get contacts for Alumaco window installers and plumbing and tiling contractors in Portharcourt ?
I appreciate your assistance.

spyder880:


I build bungalows too my Oga, I have a new bungalow in progress in Warri presently.

erico2k2:

Ahah u don reach here? U Don. Pay Deve ? ?

ThankU:
Hi people, please can you direct me to a thread where I can get contacts for Alumaco window installers and plumbing and tiling contractors in Portharcourt ?
I appreciate your assistance.

Daboomb:


Link Oga Spyder!
He is in-charge of that zone!
Clink on his mention to open any of his thread where you will find his phone number.
A nice call to him can solve your worries in 5minutes.

spyder880:


I pay even "matching ground" sef

ThankU:
Hi people, please can you direct me to a thread where I can get contacts for Alumaco window installers and plumbing and tiling contractors in Portharcourt ?
I appreciate your assistance.

spyder880:




Call Nwokeoma on 0803 571 9811. He is good and has done some quality work for me in the past in PH.