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Organs:
My Chairman you make me laugh. See here, I personally do not want Nigeria to break up. I like our unity, peculiarity and diversity. These are sources of strength. But, i tell you this, there is a reason why Zik did not join Ojukwu, there is a reason why the igbos were defeated and they failed woefully and God Almighty gave victory to Nigeria, think about it and accept it. In as much as i love my Igbo brothers, one thing is certain in you and most Igbos, they are not sincere and will never accept responsibility. Again, go again and listen to Gowon's youtube video, he said and i quote, "Ojukwu's conscience will judge him for all the things he did to igbo children, women, kids, men etc in leading them to war. Dimka planned a coup and was executed, nobody is saying, it was Bisalla, it was Gowon, it was this it was that!. Chukwuma Kaduna Nzeogwu massacred Sardauna in front of his wives and children in cold blood over mere suspicion and you're there saying it was Awolowo, it was this it was a coup etc, you can say all you want to say, but others will say what they want to say as well. God gives power to whomever he wills, lets accept the mistakes of the past and learn to forgive ourselves and most importantly LEARN FROM IT. All these pandering will not help you. Right is right wrong is wrong. If Evans is a kidnapper an armed robber etc, say it attest to it, stop saying how about Kabiru Sokoto in the context of discussing Evans atrocities, but Yes ask about injustice, about kabiru Sokoto, bokoharam leaders etc for justice and not a tit for that. If Innoson or Choscaris is bringing in vehicles and not paying taxes, lets discuss it and say no to corruption and not na only him, how about Dangote? No that is wrong and that is corruption. If dangote is not paying taxes and port fees, lets ask Govt, and fight them until everyone pays their fair share and not all the excuses, made for the igbos.

Organs:
My Chairman you make me laugh. See here, I personally do not want Nigeria to break up. I like our unity, peculiarity and diversity. These are sources of strength. But, i tell you this, there is a reason why Zik did not join Ojukwu, there is a reason why the igbos were defeated and they failed woefully and God Almighty gave victory to Nigeria, think about it and accept it. In as much as i love my Igbo brothers, one thing is certain in you and most Igbos, they are not sincere and will never accept responsibility. Again, go again and listen to Gowon's youtube video, he said and i quote, "Ojukwu's conscience will judge him for all the things he did to igbo children, women, kids, men etc in leading them to war. Dimka planned a coup and was executed, nobody is saying, it was Bisalla, it was Gowon, it was this it was that!. Chukwuma Kaduna Nzeogwu massacred Sardauna in front of his wives and children in cold blood over mere suspicion and you're there saying it was Awolowo, it was this it was a coup etc, you can say all you want to say, but others will say what they want to say as well. God gives power to whomever he wills, lets accept the mistakes of the past and learn to forgive ourselves and most importantly LEARN FROM IT. All these pandering will not help you. Right is right wrong is wrong. If Evans is a kidnapper an armed robber etc, say it attest to it, stop saying how about Kabiru Sokoto in the context of discussing Evans atrocities, but Yes ask about injustice, about kabiru Sokoto, bokoharam leaders etc for justice and not a tit for that. If Innoson or Choscaris is bringing in vehicles and not paying taxes, lets discuss it and say no to corruption and not na only him, how about Dangote? No that is wrong and that is corruption. If dangote is not paying taxes and port fees, lets ask Govt, and fight them until everyone pays their fair share and not all the excuses, made for the igbos.

pazienza:
1. The coup plotters clearly stated that enthroning Awolowo was their plan.
So from the word go, this had Awolowo finger prints written over it, if we factor in the role Fajuyi, a Yoruba man played in grooming Nzeogwu and co for the coup.
Awolowo also had antecedents of trying to Usurp Balewa government, the charges were not trumped up, he was found guilty of financial embezzlement and treasonable felony, this is the fact, hindsight also confirmed this, when he again tried to usurp another government(IBB) , leading to his death.
Jakande case makes sense cause it supports a truth we already knew.
3. I don't think so. Awolowo was a corrupt politician, everyone knew this, there was a reason he was in jail. So no, it's too much of a co incidence that he was being touted as one to lead a new corrupt free country.
5. Zik always outsmarted Awo. Zik was no direct adversary to Awo, not after Awo had managed to chase him out of the West. Awolowo main concern as of then was to reclaim his position as the numero uno in the West. Eliminating Akintola as well as the source of his power, ie Saraduna and Balewa, one reasoned would have been priority number one for him.
And all those men dying in that coup, was too much of a co incidence.
So yes, I still strongly believe with a good reason, that the coup was masterminded by Awolowo, using Nzeogwu and co as pawn in his deadly political game.

Origamist:
Do you have any evidence that directly links him to the coup?
A statement by any of the coup plotters or something of that nature.
Concluding that because Fajuyi was a Yoruba(fajuyi's involvement is still debatable)and was at the Battle Course with Nzeogwu et al. Makes Awolowo the reason for the coup is a farfetched.
He was not released by Ironsi after the putsch.How do you stage a coup for some1 and not release him afterwards?

The treasonable felony charge was put together by Balewa and Akintola to ensure that he was imprisoned since his arrest came on the heels of the fracas in the Western House between Akintola and Dauda Adegbenro.

Balewa sided with Akintola and ensured that he was reinstated even when the Awolowo & the majority wanted him to leave his seat.

How does it makes sense?
You mean he'll record himself planning a coup with Jakande and the rest?

Well Zik was a rival,directly or indirectly.So why would he have spared Zik?
And for someone like Awolowo who you all often call a tribalist for his commitment to the Yoruba nation,I don't think he'll allow any Igbo take part in a coup he intend to stage,whether as pawns or not.
It's unlike him.

igbodefender:
Most of the officers in the army then were Igbos. That is why it looks like an Igbo coup. But it was never an Igbo coup. Stop the cheap blackmail.

Okpueze1:
Who has time to believe this dishonest and one sided narrative. What an innocent Nigerian soldier.
People like this are the problem of this country.

kingzizzy:
How come Murtalas coup is not called an Hausa coup and Dimkas coup not called a middle belt coup?

How come the first coup is the only one that has an ethnic name but all others that came after it dont?

pazienza:
See, we are not one people, we can't agree on basic things as politics and history.

Your hero( Awolowo) is my villain who starved millions of my people.
Your nationalists, are
1, Gowon, a man who sanctioned bombing of market places full of women in Biafra, that my mother barely escaped, at a time your own mother was probably in school in Yorubaland enjoying life, mine was running around the Bush and shrubs of Idemili, trying to escape being bombed by Gowon Egyptian mercenaries that were air rading my homeland.

2. Mutala Muhammad, a man who massacred thousands of my people in Asaba, but yet the gateway to Nigeria is named after him, and I see him on naira currency everyday, he is revered by Nigerians, an indirect way of praising him for his acts in murdering my people. Yes, you justify his act by hiding behind Nzeogwu actions.

Surely, you don't expect my outlook towards Nigeria and yours to be same.

We are entirely different people. Nothing will ever change about that. This union will never work.

Origamist:
Do you have any evidence that directly links him to the coup?
A statement by any of the coup plotters or something of that nature.
Concluding that because Fajuyi was a Yoruba(fajuyi's involvement is still debatable)and was at the Battle Course with Nzeogwu et al. Makes Awolowo the reason for the coup is a farfetched.
He was not released by Ironsi after the putsch.How do you stage a coup for some1 and not release him afterwards?

The treasonable felony charge was put together by Balewa and Akintola to ensure that he was imprisoned since his arrest came on the heels of the fracas in the Western House between Akintola and Dauda Adegbenro.

Balewa sided with Akintola and ensured that he was reinstated even when the Awolowo & the majority wanted him to leave his seat.

How does it makes sense?
You mean he'll record himself planning a coup with Jakande and the rest?

Well Zik was a rival,directly or indirectly.So why would he have spared Zik?
And for someone like Awolowo who you all often call a tribalist for his commitment to the Yoruba nation,I don't think he'll allow any Igbo take part in a coup he intend to stage,whether as pawns or not.
It's unlike him.

agbangam:
If only those Igbo soldiers had killed Zik, Okpara, n Ironsi der won't have been any ethnic coloration to d whole matter. They left their own n murdered other tribe. Comm'on man.

Origamist:
Do you have any evidence that directly links him to the coup?
A statement by any of the coup plotters or something of that nature.
Concluding that because Fajuyi was a Yoruba(fajuyi's involvement is still debatable)and was at the Battle Course with Nzeogwu et al. Makes Awolowo the reason for the coup is a farfetched.
He was not released by Ironsi after the putsch.How do you stage a coup for some1 and not release him afterwards?

The treasonable felony charge was put together by Balewa and Akintola to ensure that he was imprisoned since his arrest came on the heels of the fracas in the Western House between Akintola and Dauda Adegbenro.

Balewa sided with Akintola and ensured that he was reinstated even when the Awolowo & the majority wanted him to leave his seat.

How does it makes sense?
You mean he'll record himself planning a coup with Jakande and the rest?

Well Zik was a rival,directly or indirectly.So why would he have spared Zik?
And for someone like Awolowo who you all often call a tribalist for his commitment to the Yoruba nation,I don't think he'll allow any Igbo take part in a coup he intend to stage,whether as pawns or not.
It's unlike him.

SIRTee15:
Pls ignore that guy called pazienza.....
His obsession with fajuyi is appalling n outright ridiculous.....
He's been parroting that nonsense up n down nairaland despite glaring contrary evidence.....
Neutral eyewitness account including ironsi son clearly stated what happened that night.....
Danjuma clearly said they came for ironsi and not fajuyi....
David ejoor even said in this interview that fajuyi was a collateral damage......
As for the nonsense about awolowo, ask him why fajuyi n ironsi didn't release him from jail when they assumed power.....
Since according to him, fajuyi received directive from awolowo.....

Michael004:
So you couldn't answer that. You will be the 9th igbo I have asked this same question but none of you could give answer to it. Well it is normal, na Normal thing. Nothing surprising. I give up.

SIRTee15:
Pls ignore that guy called pazienza.....
His obsession with fajuyi is appalling n outright ridiculous.....
He's been parroting that nonsense up n down nairaland despite glaring contrary evidence.....
Neutral eyewitness account including ironsi son clearly stated what happened that night.....
Danjuma clearly said they came for ironsi and not fajuyi....
David ejoor even said in this interview that fajuyi was a collateral damage......
As for the nonsense about awolowo, ask him why fajuyi n ironsi didn't release him from jail when they assumed power.....
Since according to him, fajuyi received directive from awolowo.....

seanet01:
Imagine. You labelled Awolowo a tribalist, how will he now plan a coup with yeebos?

seanet01:
Patinza is a liar and the worst part is he is not even good at it

pazienza:
I told you, ICT is the worst thing that happened to you Yorubas. Keep crying.

seanet01:
Those crying are those who are looking for Biafra​.
The atrocities you committed in 1960s will haunt you forever.

pazienza:
Lol! You mean those whose eternal fate was sealed in 1967 and read thus : Islamic Republic of Arewa -Oduanustan.

Try all you can, you can't run away from your fate, since you hate freedom and desire no such for yourselves.

Nigeria failed state will forever hurt Arewa -Oduanistanis and would forever echo in time, a constant reminder of your incompetence and a glimpse of what future Arewa -Oduanistan Islamic Republic will look like.

pazienza:
Fajuyi story had since been unravelled. See it here :https://www.nairaland.com/3838439/what-igbo-learn-yoruba-fulani/1

Ejoor is a not a brilliant man, his lies are too childish.

Ironsi was not part of Awolowo coup. He was a party pooper.

The North were still angry that Nzeogwu and his boys killed their leader, and are demanding their heads , Ironsi was still looking for how to appease them,
And you expect Fajuyi to start telling Ironsi about Awolowo release, same Awolowo the Northerners are still angry that he had the guts to try to usurp Balewa government? Do you know why Awolowo was imprisoned in the East rather than the North to start with?
Do you take Fajuyi for a fool? Of course he knew they must bid their time.

SIRTee15:
Your opinion doesn't count.....
Bring out irrefutable evidence that supports your claim....
At least there's evidence awolowo wrote to ironsi pleading for clemency.....
Why didn't he write to fajuyi.....
Show us evidence linking fajuyi to awolowo and any role they played in the jan 1966 coup...

agbangam:
If only those Igbo soldiers had killed Zik, Okpara, n Ironsi der won't have been any ethnic coloration to d whole matter. They left their own n murdered other tribe. Comm'on man.

SIRTee15:
Your opinion doesn't count.....
Bring out irrefutable evidence that supports your claim....
At least there's evidence awolowo wrote to ironsi pleading for clemency.....
Why didn't he write to fajuyi.....
Show us evidence linking fajuyi to awolowo and any role they played in the jan 1966 coup...

Dumaknesset:
David Ejoor is not an afonja now. This is quite revealing.

pazienza:
Any evidence to prove that the coup is Igbo coup? Had any of the coup plotters said that the coup was an Igbo coup? Any links?
Concluding that Nzeogwu, a Northern raised Igbo being the leader of the coup that had other non Igbo participants , is an Igbo coup, is a bit far fretched, don't you think so?
No one ever said Ironsi was part of the Awolowo coup, Ironsi was a party pooper that derailed the second stage of the coup that would have seen Awolowo release and enthronement.
No. Awolowo was for real found guilty of treasonable felony, and financial misappropriation. it wasn't just put together like Yorubas want the world to believe. Awolowo wasn't tried by a military court.
Akintola indeed had the backing of Balewa and Saraduna, which even made their(Saraduna and Balewa) elimination paramount, if Awolowo must gain back the West.
His previous antecedent of trying to usurp Balewa, the Jan coup masterminding, makes the story very plausible.

seanet01:
Imagine. You labelled Awolowo a tribalist, how will he now plan a coup with yeebos?

SIRTee15:
Pls ignore that guy called pazienza.....
His obsession with fajuyi is appalling n outright ridiculous.....
He's been parroting that nonsense up n down nairaland despite glaring contrary evidence.....
Neutral eyewitness account including ironsi son clearly stated what happened that night.....
Danjuma clearly said they came for ironsi and not fajuyi....
David ejoor even said in this interview that fajuyi was a collateral damage......
As for the nonsense about awolowo, ask him why fajuyi n ironsi didn't release him from jail when they assumed power.....
Since according to him, fajuyi received directive from awolowo.....

seanet01:
Patinza is a liar and the worst part is he is not even good at it

Origamist:
Don't get me wrong.I don't think it was an an Igbo coup.That label's a result of the inability of some of the coupists to dispatch the Eastern leaders like they did to those of the North and the West.

Here again is one of the reasons why your claim does not add up.
There's no way Aguiyi Ironsi could have survived a coup meant to free Awolowo from prison since he was not in cahoots with the plotters.
That would have been a very costly mistake.Nothing would have been smoother than to get rid of him for Ogundipe(a Yoruba like Awolowo) to take over.But he survived,and he was Igbo like the leaders who were spare.
One starts to wonder how Awolowo will plan a coup and leave such key figures from the East out of his hitlist.

The treason and corruption charges were meant to discredit Awolowo. While I don't think he was infallible,the circumstances that led it shows it was all an attempt to weaken his influence in the West.

After the skirmish in the Western House Adegbenro's request for police presence fell on deaf ears, a state of emergency was declared. Zik signed the Emergency Regulation Act. Majekodunmi was appointed as the Administrator. A restriction order was placed on Awolowo and some others. The Coker Commission was set up to investigate him. Can't you see how these events are closely knitted together?
Is this fair to you?
They used the crack in the AG to push forward all those allegations.

You said they wanted to make him President. A gang of coupists with such an aim will make no bones about wiping out the Eastern leaders too.
The Leaders of the North and West shouldn't have been the only ones marked,going by your claim.

There's no antecedent.
What you have is a weak excuse for why he was jailed.

laudate:
Gbam!! Excellent submission. You nailed it, bro.'

igbodefender:
Most of the officers in the army then were Igbos. That is why it looks like an Igbo coup. But it was never an Igbo coup. Stop the cheap blackmail.