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Broderick555:
Mark 10:17 And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God. 10:19 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother. 10:20 And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth.

jiggaz:
The Bible is made up of two documents: the Old Testament and the New Testament. These documents roughly equate to two covenants: the old covenant and the new covenant. I say roughly because the old covenant did not begin in Genesis 1 and the new covenant did not begin in Matthew 1.

A covenant is a binding agreement between two parties characterized by promises and obligations. In a biblical context, a covenant describes how God relates to people.

The old covenant, which was based on law, was how God related to the nation of Israel. The new covenant, which is based on grace, is how God relates to everybody, including the Jews.
The old covenant came into effect at Mt. Sinai through Moses, Israel’s representative, while the new covenant came into effect at Mt. Calvary through Christ, humanity’s representative.

On the night before his death the Son of God announced a “new covenant in my blood” (Luke 22:20). He was literally declaring his last will and testament, a new covenant that would come into effect when he died (Hebrews 9:16-17).

The new covenant was new

In every way, the new covenant is superior to the old.

– The old covenant failed because it hinged on your imperfect obedience, but new covenant endures because it is founded on Christ’s perfect obedience unto death.

– The old covenant says you will be blessed if you do good, but the new declares we are blessed because God is good.

– The old covenant warns that you will be punished if you do bad, but the new declares that in Christ you are eternally unpunishable.

For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion sought for a second. (Hebrews 8:7)

On the cross the sinless Savior fulfilled all the righteous requirements of the law. The old covenant that had been so shabbily treated by the children of Israel could now be satisfactorily concluded. Thus, with his final breath, Jesus declared, “It is finished” (John 19:30). The old covenant began when Moses received the law; it ended when Christ fulfilled it.

Overlapping covenants?

Some say the covenants existed side-by-side for a generation. “The old covenant it didn’t end, it merely became obsolete. The temple sacrifices continued as before until God judged Jerusalem in AD70.”

Those who subscribe to overlapping covenants point out that David was anointed king while Saul was still on the throne. “The new and the old orders existed side by side, and this parallels what happened in the generation after Christ’s death.”

But David did not ascend to the throne of Israel until after Saul’s death. They were never king at the same time. Similarly, Jesus died (fulfilling the old covenant) before ascending into heaven to be crowned as king. There was no overlapping kingship and no overlapping covenant.

The old covenant did not end with the beheading of John the Baptist. Nor did it end with the disappearance of Moses and Elijah on the Mount of Transfiguration. These were dramatic scenes in the final act of the old covenant play, but the curtain did not fall until the climactic sacrifice of God’s Lamb.

The cross changed everything

In the moment Jesus died the temple veil was supernaturally torn. It was rent from top to bottom signifying that God was done with the old covenant. The law was a shadow, but Christ is the reality. Jesus is the old covenant fulfilled.

By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear. (Hebrews 8:13, NIV)

Christ’s perfect sacrifice made the old covenant instantly obsolete. From God’s perspective it had served no further purpose. Yet after Christ died religious Jews continued bringing animals to the temple to be slain in ritual sacrifice.

Imagine how offensive those sacrifices must have been in the eyes of heaven. Each sacrifice declared, “Jesus died for nothing.” Every priest and penitent was essentially saying, “God, your Son’s death means nothing to me.” What an insult! What blasphemy!

Yet no lightning bolts fell from heaven. The ground did not open up and swallow these blasphemers.

Unauthorized sacrifices

Contrast that with what happened to Aaron’s sons when they brought an unauthorized offering into the tabernacle: Fire from God consumed them (Leviticus 10:1-2). Nadab and Abihu died as screaming, burning testimonies to the seriousness of sin. But that was under the old covenant which was no more.

Now in the new covenant, priests who brought unauthorized sacrifices went home unharmed. They didn’t know it but they were living testimonies of God’s grace. Had the old covenant still been in effect, there could have been fire and screaming. There would have been one animal sacrifice and no more. But the old covenant was finished, so unauthorized and blasphemous sacrifices continued for years.

But he, having offered one sacrifice for sins for all time, sat down at the right hand of God. (Hebrews 10:12)

Jesus sat but the Jews stood for there are no chairs in the temple. For forty years they carried on with their religious rituals as though nothing had changed, but everything had changed. This is why God never judged them, not in AD30, nor in AD70.

How could he when their sin had been borne by the Savior they rejected?

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Extracted from chapter 29 of Paul Ellis’s new book AD70 and the End of the World.

https://escapetoreality.org/2017/02/16/when-did-the-old-covenant-end/

Broderick555:
1 John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 2:7 Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.

jiggaz:
Yes i do.

Etogist:
Op, since the old covenant is all about the laws of God are you implying we should start breaking those laws because according to you Christ has rendered the old covenant useless?
Does grace means we can now start breaking the laws of God?
Please explain in plain terms.

BuzChi:
If you recall that the greatest of the commandment is love. So the old convenant is actually a shadow- Jesus Christ is the substance of it. That is why as there was the Passover lamb, which was annually done, Jesus Christ is the substance of the real Passover for all times. Grace and truth was selectively given in the Old testament but now it is for all mankind. If you truly recieve Christ Jesus into your heart, you are a believer and the laws has no hold on you. The believers live is one of love , not compulsion, that is why the prophecy was that the laws would be in our hearts. When you truly love someone, even when you misbehave, you feel hurt that this person loves you so much for you to disappoint him-its the devil trick to keep us feeling self-condemned. Always go to your Heavenly Father to receive forgiveness; and also fellowship/discuss/chat with Him! Most importantly, if you understand God's love for you, and the free gifts we have in Christ Jesus, you would not be willing to keep on doing/practising sins, especially repetitious one. We are all in the flesh, so we are growing in revelation/understanding in some areas to be victorious-but you are already saved and you are Christ's.
*Study Romans chapters 2 to chapt 6, to better understand how to answer your question.

bignero:
i booked marked this..very solid piece i must say. God bless

Goshen360:
Many Christians still wanna argue the truth of the new covenant. To such, we say, Christ died in vain and we pray their eyes be opened to the finished works of Christ. Its too much to argue and trying to convince those who their mind already made up.

Until Christ be formed in you and you see Christ in the old covenant as types and shadows of better things to come, one will continue to be tossed to and fro by every wind of doctrine.

Thank you, OP and may the Lord help His Church!

Etogist:
All these things you stated above did not answer my question.
My question is simply put does new covenant means breaking Gods law?
You said that the law will be written in our hearts. Which law are you talking about, the one that has been rendered useless?
What does Christ mean is Matthew 5 17-19?
Why did Paul observe the law in Acts 21:18 -24
And why did Paul deny breaking the law in Acts 24:10-14.
Why I'm asking you about Paul is because the Roman you quoted was written by Paul.

Please answer in clear terms and stop answering what you can not explain like " the old convenant is actually a shadow- Jesus Christ is the substance of it"
I am not here to give you answers, rather i am to spur you to find out for yourself that is why i answered the way i did. I would still give you a lead not a direct answer. If you study the words of Jesus in John 13:34, you will understand what i tried saying in the earlier mail i wrote. The jewish laws were holy and good, but God knew they could not save anyone; and He desires a relationship not hypocrites. Study 1 John 2: 1 and any other you're led to read. The only thing you owe man and God is to abide in love, which is the only Law and commandment. Remember we are the gentiles that Paul in a way was anointed to preach to because God knew Paul could go against tradition. Paul already explained if you're anywhere, in order not to be disobedience and for those of weaker faith, engage in the activity, as long as it's not abominable: so him doing whatever he did was because of the society and for peace, not because he's in bondage to it. Recall that Jesus still went to the temple even though he knew the temple leaders were hypocrites. In the scripture you quoted in Acts 21:18-24, you had your answer in verse 25!!

God's law is love, not in the way of seeing a written law and trying to do with our hearts smeared with hypocrisy because we know when we fail in one we fail in all! It's our Father's pleasure that we come to him in love, confidence and humility.

You know, Eto i feel you know the answers to your questions-but it feels maybe awkward to your mind. If you need to do more interesting reading, i could help you with a book. Inbox me c_o_obi@hotmail.com

BuzChi:
I am not here to give you answers, rather i am to
spur you to find out for yourself that is why i
answered the way i did. I would still give you a
lead not a direct answer. If you study the words of
Jesus in John 13:34, you will understand what i
tried saying in the earlier mail i wrote. The jewish
laws were holy and good, but God knew they could
not save anyone; and He desires a relationship not
hypocrites. Study 1 John 2: 1 and any other you're
led to read. The only thing you owe man and God
is to abide in love, which is the only Law and
commandment. Remember we are the gentiles that
Paul in a way was anointed to preach to because
God knew Paul could go against tradition. Paul
already explained if you're anywhere, in order not
to be disobedience and for those of weaker faith,
engage in the activity, as long as it's not
abominable: so him doing whatever he did was
because of the society and for peace, not because
he's in bondage to it. Recall that Jesus still went
to the temple even though he knew the temple
leaders were hypocrites. In the scripture you quoted
in Acts 21:18-24, you had your answer in verse 25!!
God's law is love, not in the way of seeing a
written law and trying to do with our hearts
smeared with hypocrisy because we know when we
fail in one we fail in all! It's our Father's pleasure
that we come to him in love, confidence and
humility.
You know, Eto i feel you know the answers to your
questions-but it feels maybe awkward to your
mind. If you need to do more interesting reading, i
could help you with a book. Inbox me
c_o_obi@hotmail.com

Etogist:
I don't know why you still go round the circle instead of taking the bull by the horn. " Love your neighbor as yourself" you're talking about is one of the laws of God (Leviticus 19 vs 18) though the greatest of them all according to Christ.

My question is very simple, since the law has been rendered useless according to you, does it mean we should start breaking the laws?

According to Christ who is the author and finisher of my faith, the criteria for you to enter the kingdom of God is
1) Keep the commandments of God (Matthew 19 vs 16 - 19)
2) Follow Him (Christ) as your personal lord and savour. (Matthew 19 vs 21).

If you can't answer my question clearly them stop quoting me.

Sorry for quoting you.

barcaboi:
1. are you God to know someone is destined for hell?
2. I'm not saying u re wrong and I ain't saying u are right either.....but laws like an eye for an eye became obsolete with Christ..... We are Christians...Christ followers....and that is the new covenant

tobyemmanuel:
Tithe is an act of giving. Regardless of the 10 percent thing. It is the responsibility of the believers to give not only to the church but also to the needy. You can pay more than 10 percent. It depends on you. Read acts of apostles, see how believers then gave their things and even sold their possessions.

tobyemmanuel:
Tithe is an act of giving. Regardless of the 10 percent thing. It is the responsibility of the believers to give not only to the church but also to the needy. You can pay more than 10 percent. It depends on you. Read acts of apostles, see how believers then gave their things and even sold their possessions.

Etogist:
You lied. There is a clear difference between tithing and ordinary given. The former is law while the later is a free will. I don't know who you want to protect by telling lies.

Etogist:
Have you taken your time to read the very portion of the bible that was written " An eye for an eye" if you do, then you'll know that that very law is what everybody is practicing today. The price for murder today is capital punishment.

tobyemmanuel:
So what happened in the case of the couple in acts that died for holding a portion back? By the way, Tithe started during the time of Abraham and that's before the law.

Etogist:
The couple that died for withholding a portion didn't die because it was mandatory for them to give rather it was because they lied even when they were not compelled to give. It was clearly a case of freewill donation marred by lies.
During Abraham's time it was also a freewill given, but now it has become a law.
So now, if you think that law has been rendered useless and you still withhold tithe that makes you a hypocrite.

Goshen360:
Many Christians still wanna argue the truth of the new covenant. To such, we say, Christ died in vain and we pray their eyes be opened to the finished works of Christ. Its too much to argue and trying to convince those who their mind already made up.

Until Christ be formed in you and you see Christ in the old covenant as types and shadows of better things to come, one will continue to be tossed to and fro by every wind of doctrine.

Thank you, OP and may the Lord help His Church!

Mavrick2012:
Double standard is when you abandoned everything in old covenant but hold unto TITHE.