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If You Are Still Under The Law/Old Covenant, You Have ZERO Hope In Christ by davidinchrist(m): 7:38pm On May 08
Firstly, if you are NOT willing to take the Bible on your own WITH A FRESH MIND: to trust God for Light and PUT ASIDE your Religious or Church Believes/Teachings/ Traditions, then you might as well FORGET THIS!

Those things I've listed are real POSSIBLE Agents of BLINDNESS for you.

The Berean Christians relied on the Holy Spirit and Scriptures, and they were commended by the Holy Spirit because they were diligently checking out everything they were being taught by Paul and other Apostles. Acts 17:11

Not like most of us today: "Oh! Baba/Papa Paul, O yes, amen, hallelujah..."

OR

"Yes, it's Pastor/Prophet/Father Paul, everything he says must be right, cos he is my Daddy/Mummy's Pastor. Etc.

Secondly, I'm a Catholic/Pentecostal by birth, myself. BUT, to know the Truth, I had to GET RID of all the CATHOLICISM AND PENTECOSTALISM OF MY Parents' Church-traditions in me, trusting Jesus for light, and studying the scriptures for myself really deeply, couple with messages of Godly Men like Paul; as the Berean Christians did. Acts 17:11 (I don't mind repeating that verse 10 times)

Before you judge me, have a listen:

Romans 3:4 KJV
... yea, let God be TRUE, but EVERY MAN a LIAR; as it is written...

Therefore, don't even trust the Writer of this Writing: CHECK IT ALL OUT, please.

That said, those living under the Law/Old Covenant cannot please God, and DO NOT have any hope of ENTERING God's Kingdom in any case:

Galatians 5:4 NLT
4 For if you are TRYING to make yourselves RIGHT With God by KEEPING THE LAW, you have been CUT OFF from Christ! You have FALLEN AWAY FROM God’s GRACE.

Romans 10:4 KJV
For Christ is the END of THE LAW for righteousness to every one that believeth.

John 1:17 KJV
For THE LAW was given by Moses, but GRACE AND TRUTH came by Jesus Christ.

Galatians 5:18 KJV
But IF YE be led of the SPIRIT, ye are NOT UNDER THE LAW.

Some Churches/Religions are strictly Old covenant-themed: leading people astray!

Nevertheless, MANY Preachers/Churches are Subtler and even MORE DANGEROUS OR WORSE OFF, because they are always MIXING the NEW and OLD COVENANT messages; especially for "Profit or Moneymaking".

They cleverly SELECT some verses of the old testament to justify their Popularity and MONEYMAKING techniques, under the ROOF of the Gospel.

Examples of those old covenant teaching are about FIRST FRUITS, TITHING, etc. They won't say anything about Ceremonial laws, or Physical CIRCUMCISION, holy days, and even the Ten commandments, and so on. Of course, because the latter ones have got NO MONEY/Popularity INVOLVED.

It's hypocrisy or a deception to obey only A PART of the law and not the whole. (See Gal.5:3-6)

The Solution and Truth:

John 1:17 KJV
For the law was given by Moses, but GRACE AND TRUTH CAME by Jesus Christ.

Moses = the Law (Ended or Fulfilled in Christ):

Romans 10:4 KJV
For Christ is the END of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. (See also Matt. 5:17, Gal. chap 5; Romans chap. 7 & 8 )

Jesus = Grace + Truth

Grace = forgiveness of SINS through repentance.

Truth = Works of faith: Obedience to Jesus according to the books of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John (and the new testament in general).

When you read the old testament (Law/flesh), always read with the Spirit of the New testament (the Spirit/Love/Truth/Faith/Obedience to Jesus).

Galatians 5:4 KJV
Christ is become of NO EFFECT unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are FALLEN from grace.

Romans 8:2 KJV
For the law of THE Spirit of LIFE in Christ Jesus hath made ME FREE from the law of Sin and Death.

See Also:
https://www.nairaland.com/5877652/new-covenant-upgraded-life-types

May Jesus Bless You.
Re: If You Are Still Under The Law/Old Covenant, You Have ZERO Hope In Christ by davidinchrist(m): 7:15am On May 09
17 “And no one puts new wine into old wineskins. For the old skins would burst from the pressure, spilling the wine and ruining the skins. New wine is stored in new wineskins so that both are preserved.”
Matthew 9:17


27 “You have heard the commandment that says, ‘You must not commit adultery.’
Matthew 5:27

28 But I say, anyone who even looks at a woman with lust has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
Matthew 5:28
Re: If You Are Still Under The Law/Old Covenant, You Have ZERO Hope In Christ by davidinchrist(m): 7:24pm On May 09
Mark 2:22 KJV
And no man putteth NEW wine into OLD bottles: else the new wine doth BURST the bottles, and the wine is spilled, and the bottles will be MARRED: but NEW wine must be put into NEW bottles.
Re: If You Are Still Under The Law/Old Covenant, You Have ZERO Hope In Christ by davidinchrist(m): 11:43pm On May 09
16 “Besides, who would patch old clothing with new cloth? For the new patch would shrink and rip away from the old cloth, leaving an even bigger tear than before.
Matthew 9:16
Re: If You Are Still Under The Law/Old Covenant, You Have ZERO Hope In Christ by Eulalia(f): 5:56am On May 10
May the Holy spirit guide our hearts in all truths.
There's nothing like studying the word yourself to understand the mind of God towards us His chosen ones.

Praise God!
Re: If You Are Still Under The Law/Old Covenant, You Have ZERO Hope In Christ by PharmaGirl(f): 7:50am On May 10
Apt.
Re: If You Are Still Under The Law/Old Covenant, You Have ZERO Hope In Christ by davidinchrist(m): 10:11am On May 10
Eulalia:
May the Holy spirit guide our hearts in all truths.
There's "NOTHING LIKE STUDYING THE WORD YOURSELF to understand the mind of God towards us His chosen ones.

Praise God!



Hmm.

Acts 17:11
11 And the people of Berea were more open-minded than those in Thessalonica, and they listened EAGERLY to Paul’s message. They SEARCHED the Scriptures day after day TO SEE IF Paul and Silas WERE TEACHING THE TRUTH.


2 Timothy 2:15 KJV
STUDY to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

2 Timothy 3:16-17 KJV
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable FOR doctrine, for reproof, FOR correction, FOR instruction in righteousness: [17] That the Man of God may be PERFECT, THROUGHLY furnished unto all GOOD WORKS.

29 Jesus replied, “Your MISTAKE is that you don’t know the Scriptures, and you don’t know the power of God.
Matthew 22:29


May Jesus Bless You.
Re: If You Are Still Under The Law/Old Covenant, You Have ZERO Hope In Christ by davidinchrist(m): 6:57pm On May 10
20 “But I warn you—unless your righteousness is better than the righteousness of the teachers of religious law and the Pharisees, you will never enter the Kingdom of Heaven!
Matthew 5:20 NLT
Re: If You Are Still Under The Law/Old Covenant, You Have ZERO Hope In Christ by davidinchrist(m): 8:53am On May 11
Romans 6:15-16,22-23 KJV
What then? shall we SIN, because we are not under the LAW, but under grace? God FORBID.

[16] Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of SIN unto death, or of OBEDIENCE unto righteousness?

[22] But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.

[23] For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.




12 DO NOT let sin control the way you live; do not give in to SINFUL desires.
Romans 6:12 NLT

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Re: If You Are Still Under The Law/Old Covenant, You Have ZERO Hope In Christ by davidinchrist(m): 10:21am On May 12
Galatians 2:21 KJV
I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if RIGHTEOUSNESS come by the law, then Christ is dead in VAIN.


Galatians 5:4 KJV
Christ is become of NO EFFECT unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are FALLEN from grace.
Re: If You Are Still Under The Law/Old Covenant, You Have ZERO Hope In Christ by davidinchrist(m): 4:23pm On May 16
"But I warn you—unless your righteousness is better than the righteousness of the teachers of religious law and the Pharisees, you will never enter the Kingdom of Heaven!"
- Matthew 5:20 NLT
Re: If You Are Still Under The Law/Old Covenant, You Have ZERO Hope In Christ by sonmvayina(m): 5:19pm On May 16
How would you react to a muslim quoting the qoran to justify Islam?.. And disproving Christianity..
Re: If You Are Still Under The Law/Old Covenant, You Have ZERO Hope In Christ by sonmvayina(m): 5:22pm On May 16
Did God not say his laws where to last forever... If I may ask, which God do you worship? Or referring to.. Because I sincerely doubt if it is the creator of the universe or the father of Jesus..
Re: If You Are Still Under The Law/Old Covenant, You Have ZERO Hope In Christ by davidinchrist(m): 6:24pm On May 16
sonmvayina:
Did God not say his laws where to last forever... If I may ask, which God do you worship? Or referring to.. Because I sincerely doubt if it is the creator of the universe or the father of Jesus..

Brother, I know it's difficult to accept it, but it's definitely true.

I don't argue nor try to by any means convince anyone, but I would encourage you to reread the post a bit more patiently; OR at least go through the Bible verses I quoted, "IF you don't mind."

I got convinced through the Word and Holy Spirit, I believe that's the will of God, so most times (if not ALWAYS) I usually back up my posts with scriptures.

However friend, if you still disagree after all that; okay, no problem. I don't justify myself either.

Thanks,

May Jesus Bless You.
Re: If You Are Still Under The Law/Old Covenant, You Have ZERO Hope In Christ by eplanning: 6:49pm On May 16
What about those who keep the Commandments and still have hope in JESUS?


Revelation 12:17
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Re: If You Are Still Under The Law/Old Covenant, You Have ZERO Hope In Christ by sonmvayina(m): 6:52pm On May 16
davidinchrist:


Brother, I know it's difficult to accept it, but it's definitely true.

I don't argue nor try to by any means convince anyone, but I would encourage you to reread the post a bit more patiently; OR at least go through the Bible verses I quoted, "IF you don't mind."

I got convinced through the Word and Holy Spirit, I believe that's the will of God, so most times (if not ALWAYS) I usually back up my posts with scriptures.

However friend, if you still disagree after all that; okay, no problem. I don't justify myself either.

Thanks,

May Jesus Bless You.

May superman bless you....

I don't worship idols.. I only worship my creator and follow his laws and commandments.. I am OK with that.. I don't need a white man or jew to know God.. All the Gods of heaven and all on earth lies within me...
Re: If You Are Still Under The Law/Old Covenant, You Have ZERO Hope In Christ by onlyinJESUS: 6:55pm On May 16
shall we make the law void because of faith?
Re: If You Are Still Under The Law/Old Covenant, You Have ZERO Hope In Christ by davidinchrist(m): 7:02pm On May 16
sonmvayina:


May superman bless you....

I don't worship idols.. I only worship my creator and follow his laws and commandments.. I am OK with that.. I don't need a white man or jew to know God.. All the Gods of heaven and all on earth lies within me...

Oh, I'm sorry to have bothered you, I thought you believed in Jesus; I no longer have businesses with the movie industry either.

Anyway, Good bye.

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Re: If You Are Still Under The Law/Old Covenant, You Have ZERO Hope In Christ by sonmvayina(m): 7:21pm On May 16
davidinchrist:


Oh, I'm sorry to have bothered you, I thought you believed in Jesus; I no longer have businesses with the movie industry either.

Anyway, Good bye.

You see how it feels, when you tell somebody that Jesus bless you or loves you without understanding that Jesus is just a created character just like superman or Spiderman.. He has got nothing to do with God who is our creator.. God is not a man or human being.. He is not part of creation...
Re: If You Are Still Under The Law/Old Covenant, You Have ZERO Hope In Christ by CAPSLOCKED: 7:26pm On May 16
Eulalia:
May the Holy spirit guide our hearts in all truths.
There's nothing like studying the word yourself to understand the mind of God towards us His chosen ones.

Praise God!

GOD'S MIND = BOOKS AND STORIES WRITTEN BY DIFFERENT CIVILIZATIONS PAST FOR THEMSELVES.

US HIS CHOSEN ONES = ISRAEL, SYRIA, ETC.


YOU'RE WELCOME.
Re: If You Are Still Under The Law/Old Covenant, You Have ZERO Hope In Christ by Eulalia(f): 7:39pm On May 16
CAPSLOCKED:


GOD'S MIND = BOOKS AND STORIES WRITTEN BY DIFFERENT CIVILIZATIONS PAST FOR THEMSELVES.

US HIS CHOSEN ONES = ISRAEL, SYRIA, ETC.


YOU'RE WELCOME.


I pray you have an encounter with God soonest. So you can come back and rewrite all these blasphemy you've been littering the whole place with.

Shalom.
Re: If You Are Still Under The Law/Old Covenant, You Have ZERO Hope In Christ by CAPSLOCKED: 8:03pm On May 16
Eulalia:



I pray you have an encounter with God soonest. So you can come back and rewrite all these blasphemy you've been littering the whole place with.

Shalom.

I CAN'T ENCOUNTER GOD FOR THE SAME REASON NOBODY IN HISTORY HAS EVER ENCOUNTERED GOD.

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Re: If You Are Still Under The Law/Old Covenant, You Have ZERO Hope In Christ by davidinchrist(m): 8:29pm On May 16
John 5:16-18 NLT

16 So the Jewish leaders began harassing Jesus for BREAKING the Sabbath rules.


17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is ALWAYS working, and so am I.”


18 So the Jewish leaders tried all the harder to find a way TO KILL HIM. For he not only BROKE the Sabbath, he CALLED God his Father, thereby making himself EQUAL with God.
Re: If You Are Still Under The Law/Old Covenant, You Have ZERO Hope In Christ by Dtruthspeaker: 12:16am On May 17
Once again you are in error, for is it not written "I am the Lord, I CHANGE not"? Malachi 3:6.

Did Christ not directly say that He came to fulfill the Law? Mathew 5:17/18.

Has the Law ever been changed or amended whether old or new?

Careful friend, you would be causing others to err from the word of Life.
Re: If You Are Still Under The Law/Old Covenant, You Have ZERO Hope In Christ by davidinchrist(m): 5:41am On May 17
Dtruthspeaker:
Once again you are in error, for is it not written "I am the Lord, I CHANGE not"? Malachi 3:6.

Did Christ not directly say that He came to fulfill the Law? Mathew 5:17/18.

Has the Law ever been changed or amended whether old or new?

Careful friend, you would be causing others to err from the word of Life.

Friend, did you even read through my posts OR you just glanced through?

Or you don't believe the Bible (especially the new testament)?

Or you're looking for someone that supports your Religion/Church/Pastor?

If you're not willing to humble yourself and patiently read, it means you're not HUNGRY but just seeking to disturb others.

The word of God is meant for the Hungry: POOR in Spirit. Matt 5:3-10

A person that's not Hungry can wait.

However, I'm not trying to establish an argument or a debate with you; I'm not here to justify myself or ANY Pastor/Church, but to glorify Jesus.

Please reread them, if you don't mind.

May Jesus Give You Light.
Re: If You Are Still Under The Law/Old Covenant, You Have ZERO Hope In Christ by davidinchrist(m): 6:19am On May 17
eplanning:
What about those who keep the Commandments and still have hope in JESUS?


Revelation 12:17
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.



Friend, the question is, do we want to argue or learn?

I've got no time for argumentative people, I just ignore...

Please, read patiently: it's free. I quoted several verses to help people understand easily.

Summary:
Jesus has fulfil/ended (fulfil here means TO END) the LAW of Moses (flesh).

We are now to live according to the Law of the Spirit (Christ), which is LOVE:
1. Love God with your entire life.
2. Love your neighbour as yourself.

Jesus said, whoever does that fulfils the Whole Law.

Matthew 22:37-40 KJV
Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

[38] This is the first and great commandment.

[39] And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

[40] On THESE TWO commandments hang ALL the LAW and the prophets.

Please see the original post again, IF you don't mind.

May Jesus Bless You.
Re: If You Are Still Under The Law/Old Covenant, You Have ZERO Hope In Christ by Dtruthspeaker: 7:30am On May 17
davidinchrist:


Friend, did you even read through my posts OR you just glanced through?

Or you don't believe the Bible (especially the new testament)?

Or you're looking for someone that supports your Religion/Church/Pastor?

If you're not willing to humble yourself and patiently read, it means you're not HUNGRY but just seeking to disturb others.

The word of God is meant for the Hungry: POOR in Spirit. Matt 5:3-10

A person that's not Hungry can wait.

However, I'm not trying to establish an argument or a debate with you; I'm not here to justify myself or ANY Pastor/Church, but to glorify Jesus.

Please reread them, if you don't mind.

May Jesus Give You Light.

Op, the header of your thread is already WRONG and FALSE, you can not contradict yourself in your post (if you did at all), for everything you would be saying must be for the purpose of supporting the heading of your thread to which I answer that the Most High has never changed the Laws He gave in the beginning as it is written "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending..." Revelation 1:8
Re: If You Are Still Under The Law/Old Covenant, You Have ZERO Hope In Christ by Acehart: 7:47am On May 17
CAPSLOCKED:


I CAN'T ENCOUNTER GOD FOR THE SAME REASON NOBODY IN HISTORY HAS EVER ENCOUNTERED GOD.

You are correct. Even the Bible follows this pattern: no man ever encounters God; but God encounters man. People forcing or advising someone else to encounter God is vain talk. If God doesn’t reveal Himself to one, the person’s disposition is: God doesn’t exist - which is true because God didn’t do the needful - encounter such a one.
Re: If You Are Still Under The Law/Old Covenant, You Have ZERO Hope In Christ by Dtruthspeaker: 7:59am On May 17
sonmvayina:


You see how it feels, when you tell somebody that Jesus bless you or loves you without understanding that Jesus is just a created character just like superman or Spiderman.. He has got nothing to do with God who is our creator.. God is not a man or human being.. He is not part of creation...

Just saw your convo here, I have never heard this view before! So help me understand, are you saying that there is no connection between the Creator and his creation? And that all creations are of equal standings in relation to each other, as you claim that Jesus, Superman and SpiderMan are all creations?
Re: If You Are Still Under The Law/Old Covenant, You Have ZERO Hope In Christ by Usorohtheman(m): 12:03pm On May 17
CAPSLOCKED:


GOD'S MIND = BOOKS AND STORIES WRITTEN BY DIFFERENT CIVILIZATIONS PAST FOR THEMSELVES.

US HIS CHOSEN ONES = ISRAEL, SYRIA, ETC.


YOU'RE WELCOME.

Hello capslocked, can I talk to you for some minutes?
Re: If You Are Still Under The Law/Old Covenant, You Have ZERO Hope In Christ by sonmvayina(m): 2:42pm On May 17
Dtruthspeaker:


Just saw your convo here, I have never heard this view before! So help me understand, are you saying that there is no connection between the Creator and his creation? And that all creations are of equal standings in relation to each other, as you claim that Jesus, Superman and SpiderMan are all creations?

We are all God's creation, you worshipping a man as God is not different from a man worshipping a snake or a cow.. The commandment is "Do not make the imake or LIKENESS Of anything in heaven, on earth or under the water below the earth, do not bow down to them or serve them".. God created us like this, with the ability and capacity to make choices, he has already factored in all the possible choices we can make. He gave us the Torah for the jews and omenani or omenala for the igbos to guide us to make better choices.. So that we can have a good human experience.. End of the day we are all spiritual beings having a human experience or walking a human path.. Ecclesiastes 12:7
Re: If You Are Still Under The Law/Old Covenant, You Have ZERO Hope In Christ by Dtruthspeaker: 6:45pm On May 17
sonmvayina:


We are all God's creation, you worshipping a man as God is not different from a man worshipping a snake or a cow.. The commandment is "Do not make the imake or LIKENESS Of anything in heaven, on earth or under the water below the earth, do not bow down to them or serve them".. God created us like this, with the ability and capacity to make choices, he has already factored in all the possible choices we can make. He gave us the Torah for the jews and omenani or omenala for the igbos to guide us to make better choices.. So that we can have a good human experience.. End of the day we are all spiritual beings having a human experience or walking a human path.. Ecclesiastes 12:7

I see that this is the same as the question on the other thread which I have responded to.

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