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Hanabian:
Freewill or no freewill, the main message here is that the God who created the Universe could not have been the biblical God because the biblical God is full of self contradictions.
People should live their life without thinking they are offending some made up God who exhibits every known characteristics of humans.
A God who is All-Knowing is not supposed to "regret".

Challspace:
As the bible is the "blueprint", we're all free to pick slaves of our choice. I pick you!

EnigmaticEnigma:
I won't claim to have all the answers, as much as I have experiences with Jesus. Such experiences have led me to believe, even without having all the answers.

However, someone on this thread already said that we were made in the image of God. So I believe as we have emotions and feelings, so also does our creator have these feelings as well.

Sometimes, making the right choice can lead to a feeling of regret at the foreseeable outcome, even though, it was the right choice.

It's like helping a proud friend get a Job, you know that when he gets the Job, his pride might lead him to dissolve your friendship, being that he will now have money to go along with his pride, but you do it anyway, because helping a friend is the right thing to do.

When in the future, you see your prediction come to pass, you may have a feeling of regret, like look at this guy, if only I didn't even get this dude a job, now he's feeling like his the shhhh. However, if you could go back in time, hopefully you'd still make the same choice, cause it is the right thing to do.

EnigmaticEnigma:
Hanabian, so would it have been better if we were never created

Or, created without free will

frank317:
What would you have lost if you have never been created?
Babies who die through miscarriage, what do u think they lost?

frank317:
What would you have lost if you have never been created?

Babies who die through miscarriage, what do u think they lost?

Ngo40:
Lol....where do I even begin?
"Slave"?
I wonder which scripture passages you would use to support your "choice"?
Lol.....

Challspace:
To mention but a few
Old Testament:

Exodus 21:1-11; 25:39-55; Deuteronomy 15:12-18

New Testament:

Even your beloved Jesus got in on the act,

Luke 12:47-48
Ephesians 6:5-8; Colossians 3:22-4:1; Titus 2:9-10
Philemon 1:16

Obalende:
Do you want to have another showdown on mount camel? Let both of us pick a certain time, make an alter - I will call upon Jehovah and you will call upon Amadioha; the God that answers by fire let him be God!

Pick time and date.

EnigmaticEnigma:
I don't understand

PastorAIO:
I think his point is that you brought a value judgment into the matter of creation by asking whether it would be 'better' to not have been born/created.

He then asked you what is the value of existence/non-existence to a miscarried baby. The value of existence is only relevant to an existing sentient being.

Ngo40:
Well....I read through the scripture passages and there are two problems:
You would have to be 1). a master and
2). you can't "choose" me.
You can buy a male slave.....
Sorry.....

Hanabian:
Sister,your reply shows that you are not grasping the crux of the matter.
At first bolded, who created sin in the first instance? Did man create sin or did sin magically appear from thin air? After answering that,now ask yourself why did God allow Adam and Eve to sin(as we are told) when they didn't know their left from their right?And yet use same to punish people who had no knowledge of the sin in the first place.
Now, a bit background. Remember that Adam and Eve were made(bible) not given birth to,so in all ramifications, it is totally safe to say they never knew what they were doing,they were children.Now God is all knowing, he has known that Adam and Eve were going to sin before they even did it(omniscient). But did he do anything about it? As someone who sees into the future,he would have seen all the possible ways to scenario would have gone right? But did he do anything about it?
Another fundamental question is,why even put the tree there in the first place? Prevention they say is better than cure right? Will you as a person allow something to happen to your child when you have every resources within your reach to protect him from harm? I could continue to ask on and on and on,but at the end,looking at all what I said objectively solely rests on you!

@second bolded,the argument is that he preordained them to act that way,not just knowing what they will choose! Look at the OP and Jer 1:5.

@third bolded,Do all really have the choice in light with the facts stated above? Did Jeremiah, Pharaoh,all the innocent Egyptian kids have a say too in the matter?

Hanabian:
> Jeremiah > Chapter 1 > Verse 5
"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart..."

The case of freewill is the ultimate failure of the religious propagandas. Its funny how a being that claims you have a free will also punishes you for exercising your freewill. [/b]

Hanabian:
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This is a case of giving money to a child and telling him or her to buy a Nintendo or Xbox.In the child's mind,he thinks he has a choice in the matter,but doesn't know his choice has already being decided for him.

Hanabian:
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Wake up people, the religious Gods are myths and only powerful in the pages of fictional books.
This is my first topic and post on this site,and I am here to wake a lot of people up from their slumber.