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raumdeuter:
Fact is Bush did not attack or interfere anywhere before 9-11

That's a non-point. How could he have when he was President beginning in 2001, the year of the attack? .

LordReed:
That's a non-point. How could he have when he was President beginning in 2001, the year of the attack? .

Thats a good 9months of rule before the attack

raumdeuter:
Thats a good 9months of rule before the attack

You are clutching at straws.

LordReed:
You are clutching at straws.

You are the one grasping at straws.

So 9 months isnt enough for Bush to do something or start wars, but 6months of Trump and you are already expecting everything done

You couldnt find any evidence that Bush attacked anyone before 9-11 and want us to believe he would have done so because other president did it

raumdeuter:
You are the one grasping at straws.

So 9 months isnt enough for Bush to do something or start wars, but 6months of Trump and you are already expecting everything done

You couldnt find any evidence that Bush attacked anyone before 9-11 and want us to believe he would have done so because other president did it

You can close your eyes to facts all you want but history is there for all to see. As long as "American Imperialism" is the policy the Presidents will fight wars and intervene.

LordReed:
You can close your eyes to facts all you want but history is there for all to see. As long as "American Imperialism" is the policy the Presidents will fight wars and intervene.

What are the facts? Who did Bush attack before 9-11? Give us the facts

raumdeuter:
What are the facts? Who did Bush attack before 9-11? Give us the facts

I thought I made it abundantly clear that it is American policy I am talking about not which President did what. What other facts are you seeking?

LordReed:
I thought I made it abundantly clear that it is American policy I am talking about not which President did what. What other facts are you seeking?

The fact is only what Bush did, not what his predecessors did, Before 9-11 the facts is that Bush didnt attack anyone. He was focused on tax cuts and pushing the No child left behind policy

Awaiting the Nevada Parole Board's decision on OJ Simpson

And OJ has been granted parole!

PDPGuy:
And OJ has been granted parole!

As a Lawyer,I want your opinion on this..Trump accuses Jeff Sessions of not doing well by recusing himself from the russian investigation..He seems to think the department of justice is one of he's companies and he can fire anybody at will..By saying Jeff should not recuse him means if he hasnt recused himself,A special Prosecutor cannot be appointed and jeff can help him out if things wants to go wry..

Isnt it?Just wondering what would have happened if it was Obama that said the nonesense he said to Eric Holder

Democrats passed Obamacare when they where in Majority of both houses of congress..Now when the GOP are in Majority they cant even do nada..Yet their messiah ranted and claimed he has a magic wand that would make it before perfect ASAP..Now they cant do nothing and their messiah is looking for who to blame but himself..

happney65:
As a Lawyer,I want your opinion on this..Trump accuses Jeff Sessions of not doing well by recusing himself from the russian investigation..He seems to think the department of justice is one of he's companies and he can fire anybody at will..By saying Jeff should not recuse him means if he hasnt recused himself,A special Prosecutor cannot be appointed and jeff can help him out if things wants to go wry..

Isnt it?Just wondering what would have happened if it was Obama that said the nonesense he said to Eric Holder

If Obama made the exact same statements, Republicans and conservatives would have been all over the news media denouncing Obama as a "totalitarian president". Some hardline conservatives in the House of Reps may even have called for his impeachment.

As you said, the DOJ, Attorney-General (including the deputy and Assistant Attorneys-General), and heads of the federal law enforcement agencies aren't personal aides to the president of the United States. They are only required to pledge their loyalty to the country and the constitution.

Even the White House counsel isn't a personal attorney to the president. The counsel only represents the broader Executive Office of the president (which includes WH advisors and other organs of the White House) in legal proceedings.

Trump's statements, particularly toward Special counsel Mueller, when taken in their entirety, can be interpreted to constitute obstruction of justice. But, absent specific presidential action such as pressuring the Deputy AG to fire Mueller, obstruction of justice would be hard to prove in this sutuation.

PDPGuy:
If Obama made the exact same statements, Republicans and conservatives would have been all over the news media denouncing Obama as a "totalitarian president". Some hardline conservatives in the House of Reps may even have called for his impeachment.

As you said, the DOJ, Attorney-General (including the deputy and Assistant Attorneys-General), and heads of the federal law enforcement agencies aren't personal aides to the president of the United States. They are only required to pledge their loyalty to the country and the constitution.

Even the White House counsel isn't a personal attorney to the president. The counsel only represents the broader Executive Office of the president (which includes WH advisors and other organs of the White House) in legal proceedings.

Trump's statements, particularly toward Special counsel Mueller, when taken in their entirety, can be interpreted to constitute obstruction of justice. But, absent specific presidential action such as pressuring the Deputy AG to fire Mueller, obstruction of justice would be hard to prove in this sutuation.

Exactly,We shall wait and see..He already told mueller not to go into he's family finances..What if the investigation leads mueller into that?The Guy is one hell of a guy with all shades of dirt hanging over him..We shall soon know..

He wants to control sessions all because he was the one that appointed him thinking he should not have recused himself because he knew with sessions not recusing himself,no special counsel would be appointed..The Guy is just diggin up he's Political grave one after the other..

Just a matter of time..

Washington Post newest Bombshell..Trump and he's lawyers are trying to see how he could Pardon himself...He is already shiting in he's pants.
Ohh i guess you know if you are innocent,you wont need any Pardon..You aint seen nothing yet..

Breaking--Spokesman for Trump's Legal team resigns..The House falling like a park of cards..

happney65:
Washington Post newest Bombshell..Trump and he's lawyers are trying to see how he could Pardon himself...He is already shiting in he's pants.
Ohh i guess you know if you are innocent,you wont need any Pardon..You aint seen nothing yet..

I'm not sure if he can pardon himself under the constitution. Article 2 of the constitution gives him broad powers to pardon any federal official or anyone convicted in a federal court. However, there is a crucial exception to the rule: a president cannot pardon officials who have been impeached or are the subject of an impeachment proceeding.

If Trump eventually decides to pardon himself, it will obviously set a new constitutional law precedent in America because no past US president had ever thought of, let alone pardon himself for past crimes or preempt a future indictment.

happney65:
Exactly,We shall wait and see..He already told mueller not to go into he's family finances..What if the investigation leads mueller into that?The Guy is one hell of a guy with all shades of dirt hanging over him..We shall soon know..

He wants to control sessions all because he was the one that appointed him thinking he should not have recused himself because he knew with sessions not recusing himself,no special counsel would be appointed..The Guy is just diggin up he's Political grave one after the other..

Just a matter of time..

Seems Mueller has crossed the so-called red line - he's investigating those finances.

https://twitter.com/JTSantucci/status/888200515716358148 -

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/wsj-report-mueller-congress-probing-possible-money-laundering-manafort
WSJ: Special Counsel, Congress Probing Possible Money Laundering By Manafort

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-07-20/mueller-is-said-to-expand-probe-to-trump-business-transactions

The U.S. special counsel investigating possible ties between the Donald Trump campaign and Russia in last year’s election is examining a broad range of transactions involving Trump’s businesses as well as those of his associates, according to a person familiar with the probe.

FBI investigators and others are looking at Russian purchases of apartments in Trump buildings, Trump’s involvement in a controversial SoHo development in New York with Russian associates, the 2013 Miss Universe pageant in Moscow and Trump’s sale of a Florida mansion to a Russian oligarch in 2008, the person said.

The investigation also has absorbed a money-laundering probe begun by federal prosecutors in New York into Trump’s former campaign chairman Paul Manafort.

John Dowd, one of Trump’s lawyers, said on Thursday that he was unaware of the inquiry into Trump’s businesses by the two-months-old investigation and considered it beyond the scope of what Special Counsel Robert Mueller should be examining.

“Those transactions are in my view well beyond the mandate of the Special counsel; are unrelated to the election of 2016 or any alleged collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia and most importantly, are well beyond any Statute of Limitation imposed by the United States Code,” he wrote in an email.

The president told the New York Times on Wednesday that any digging into matters beyond Russia would be out of bounds. Trump’s businesses have involved Russians for years, however, making the boundaries fuzzy.

The Justice Department’s May 17 order to Mueller instructs him to investigate “any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign” as well as “any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation,” suggesting a relatively broad mandate.

Agents are interested in dealings with the Bank of Cyprus, where Wilbur Ross served as vice chairman before he became commerce secretary. In addition, they are examining the efforts of Jared Kushner, the President’s son-in-law and senior aide, to secure financing for some of his family’s real-estate properties. The information about the investigation was provided by someone familiar with the developing inquiry but not authorized to speak publicly.

The roots of Mueller’s follow-the-money investigation lie partly in a wide-ranging money-laundering probe launched by then-Manhattan U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara last year, according to the person.

FBI agents already had been gathering information about Manafort, according to two people with knowledge of that probe. Prosecutors hadn’t yet begun presenting evidence to a grand jury. Trump fired Bharara in March.

The Manafort inquiry initially focused on actions involving a real-estate company he launched with money from Ukraine in 2008. By the time Bharara was fired, his office’s investigation of possible money laundering extended well beyond that, according to the person briefed on the Mueller probe.

The Bharara investigation was consolidated into Mueller’s inquiry, showing that the special counsel is taking an overarching approach. The various financial examinations constitute one thread of Mueller’s inquiry, which encompasses computer hacking and the dissemination of stolen campaign and voter information as well as the actions of former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn.

Joshua Stueve, Mueller’s spokesman, declined to comment, as did a Manafort spokesman and Abbe Lowell, a lawyer for Kushner.

Spokesmen for the White House, Trump Organization and Ross didn’t immediately respond to requests for comment.

Mueller’s team is looking at the Trump SoHo hotel condominium development, which was a licensing deal with Bayrock Capital LLC. In 2010, the former finance director of Bayrock filed a lawsuit claiming the firm structured transactions in fraudulent ways to evade taxes. Bayrock was a key source of capital for Trump projects, including Trump SoHo.

Sean Spicer Resigns...

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/21/spicer-resigns-from-white-house-team-sources-say.html

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/07/21/politics/sean-spicer-resigns-anthony-scaramucci/index.html?sr=twCNN072117sean-spicer-resigns-anthony-scaramucci1208PMStory

TheShopKeeper:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-07-20/mueller-is-said-to-expand-probe-to-trump-business-transactions

The U.S. special counsel investigating possible ties between the Donald Trump campaign and Russia in last year’s election is examining a broad range of transactions involving Trump’s businesses as well as those of his associates, according to a person familiar with the probe.

FBI investigators and others are looking at Russian purchases of apartments in Trump buildings, Trump’s involvement in a controversial SoHo development in New York with Russian associates, the 2013 Miss Universe pageant in Moscow and Trump’s sale of a Florida mansion to a Russian oligarch in 2008, the person said.

The investigation also has absorbed a money-laundering probe begun by federal prosecutors in New York into Trump’s former campaign chairman Paul Manafort.

John Dowd, one of Trump’s lawyers, said on Thursday that he was unaware of the inquiry into Trump’s businesses by the two-months-old investigation and considered it beyond the scope of what Special Counsel Robert Mueller should be examining.

“Those transactions are in my view well beyond the mandate of the Special counsel; are unrelated to the election of 2016 or any alleged collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia and most importantly, are well beyond any Statute of Limitation imposed by the United States Code,” he wrote in an email.

The president told the New York Times on Wednesday that any digging into matters beyond Russia would be out of bounds. Trump’s businesses have involved Russians for years, however, making the boundaries fuzzy.

The Justice Department’s May 17 order to Mueller instructs him to investigate “any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign” as well as “any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation,” suggesting a relatively broad mandate.

Agents are interested in dealings with the Bank of Cyprus, where Wilbur Ross served as vice chairman before he became commerce secretary. In addition, they are examining the efforts of Jared Kushner, the President’s son-in-law and senior aide, to secure financing for some of his family’s real-estate properties. The information about the investigation was provided by someone familiar with the developing inquiry but not authorized to speak publicly.

The roots of Mueller’s follow-the-money investigation lie partly in a wide-ranging money-laundering probe launched by then-Manhattan U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara last year, according to the person.

FBI agents already had been gathering information about Manafort, according to two people with knowledge of that probe. Prosecutors hadn’t yet begun presenting evidence to a grand jury. Trump fired Bharara in March.

The Manafort inquiry initially focused on actions involving a real-estate company he launched with money from Ukraine in 2008. By the time Bharara was fired, his office’s investigation of possible money laundering extended well beyond that, according to the person briefed on the Mueller probe.

The Bharara investigation was consolidated into Mueller’s inquiry, showing that the special counsel is taking an overarching approach. The various financial examinations constitute one thread of Mueller’s inquiry, which encompasses computer hacking and the dissemination of stolen campaign and voter information as well as the actions of former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn.

Joshua Stueve, Mueller’s spokesman, declined to comment, as did a Manafort spokesman and Abbe Lowell, a lawyer for Kushner.

Spokesmen for the White House, Trump Organization and Ross didn’t immediately respond to requests for comment.

Mueller’s team is looking at the Trump SoHo hotel condominium development, which was a licensing deal with Bayrock Capital LLC. In 2010, the former finance director of Bayrock filed a lawsuit claiming the firm structured transactions in fraudulent ways to evade taxes. Bayrock was a key source of capital for Trump projects, including Trump SoHo.

The bottom is falling out of the Fake President.

Sean Spicer just resigned from The White House of Chaos. No one wants to captain the Titanic.

Lol
The man even tried by staying in the job for six months sef
Its not easy to work in Trump's White House where you're forced to tell bizarre lies every other day. Of course, all administrations lie, but they do so in a believable way.

In hindsight, his goose was cooked when he had to lie about the crowd size at the inauguration. It was so blatant

Abbeybailey:
Sean Spicer just resigned from The White House of Chaos. No one wants to captain the Titanic.

Lol the turnover on this administration smh

Laura Ingraham or Sarah Huckabee Sanders should be front-runners for the job now.

Sarah Huckabee has already been doing the job for a while now

The white house is witnessing an unprecedented clusterfuck!!!! These losers should just be send to wherever they come from by the mueller panel. My quid on session as the next loser to be kick out of the failing line up of idiocy.

ibkayee:
Lol the turnover on this administration smh

Garbage in garbage out.

Abbeybailey:
Sean Spicer just resigned from The White House of Chaos. No one wants to captain the Titanic.

No one,Just no one..This is nothing but a Fuji House of commotion..

happney65:
No one,Just no one..This is nothing but a Fuji House of commotion..

This is worse than Fuji House of commotion. Americans are being scammed by a scam artist.