Pastors are good at quoting Malachi 3:10 a lot when they want to distort innocent and ignorant church members. Beware of your pastor irrespective of his large church.
Please note that prophet Malachi was a prophet in old testament therefore, he was an inferior prophet to us who are christians.(Luke 7:28)
He should therefore not be used to detect how Christians should live their lives in this modern day.

Malachi said "try this if the window of heaven shall not be open for you"and we all tried and window of heaven open for those who paid it with the faith that was affirmed to them.
So mr afonja i see no reason you should try and put confusion in the church.

What of offering?

ubongoton:
Malachi said "try this if the window of heaven shall not be open for you"and we all tried and window of heaven open for those who paid it with the faith that was affirmed to them.
So mr afonja i see no reason you should try and put confusion in the church.

I'm not putting any confusion, it's just that we all fail to think.
Malachi said try this...
Was he talking to Christians?
No!
were you there when he was saying it?
No!
Then how come, all of a sudden it is working for you?
Something obviously is wrong there .
All I'm saying is, whatever is working for you, it is not your tithe that is causing it to work

petra1:

What of offering?

Sacrifices!
If it is the money you are giving from your heart not because you were compelled or obligated,
No problem.
Tithing has been obligated and it has become liability to church members. This is wrong

paxonel:

Sacrifices!
If it is the money you are giving from your heart not because you were compelled or obligated,
No problem.
Tithing has been obligated and it has become liability to church members. This is wrong

That means one can give tithes by choice and offering by choice but not for under compulsion

What of prayer?

Malachi:3:10

Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.

If you read well it says "that yhere may be meat in mine house ". Not malachis house but the house of the Lord. And if we throw more light to meat in my house in the old testament like you say it could really mean meat probably for sacrifices or to feed the poor or less priviledged. But in the modern day tithes are used to maintain the church in terms of building, instruments and major necessities as pleasurable in the sight of God not the pastor. Tho many pastors misuse the tithe which makes all believers doubt and tight fist but its truly a commandment. God cant beg cause hes the giver of all things. If you give your tithe wholeheartedlt in truth and Spirit. Youll definitely get your reward. If not challenge God.

paxonel:

I'm not putting any confusion, it's just that we all fail to think.
Malachi said try this...
Was he talking to Christians?

Exodus 20:12
12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long. .

I will also ask you if the scripture I quoted above applies to christians?

All I'm saying is, whatever is working for you, it is not your tithe that is causing it to work

You can as well say our prayers is none effect . Let tomorrow bring what it likes , we just watch and see.

I don't know when we would start taking the things that really matter in Christianity serious, by the way, petra1 I think you need to let this thread die by stopping all further comments.

petra1:


Exodus 20:12
12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long. .

I will also ask you if the scripture I quoted above applies to christians?



You can as well say our prayers is none effect . Let tomorrow bring what it likes , we just watch and see.

There is no correlation between the scripture you quoted with Malachi. The scripture you quoted is a universal law and it applies to everyone(Christians or Jews),
Malachi's tithing was a law only for the Jews.
That analogy of yours do not follow

petra1:


That means one can give tithes by choice and offering by choice but not for under compulsion

What of prayer?

Exactly!
But you know the rule has always been that if you don't tithe you are robbing God, gotten from Malachi. That rule has indirectly rendered it compulsory in churches because nobody want to be seen robbing God.

aydes:
Malachi:3:10

Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.

If you read well it says "that yhere may be meat in mine house ". Not malachis house but the house of the Lord. And if we throw more light to meat in my house in the old testament like you say it could really mean meat probably for sacrifices or to feed the poor or less priviledged. But in the modern day tithes are used to maintain the church in terms of building, instruments and major necessities as pleasurable in the sight of God not the pastor. Tho many pastors misuse the tithe which makes all believers doubt and tight fist but its truly a commandment. God cant beg cause hes the giver of all things. If you give your tithe wholeheartedlt in truth and Spirit. Youll definitely get your reward. If not challenge God.

Is house of God used in old testament the same thing as church?
What is church?
When Jesus says i will build my church what did he meant?
Is church actually a house or building for storing...
Storing tithe money used to feed the poor?

paxonel:

Is house of God used in old testament the same thing as church?
What is church?
When Jesus says i will build my church what did he meant?
Is church actually a house or building for storing...
Storing tithe money used to feed the poor?

Bring all tithes into the storehouse, that there maybe meat in my house, whose house? Ofcourse the house od God ad in those days God recognized meat as offweinf unto him.. So if you have a thousand sheep your tithe is 100 sheep which will be taken to the store houae of the house of God. Present day we call it church altho its supposed to be the house of God cause we the saints are the church.
I hope i have thrown more light to the best of my knowledge. We just have to do the will of God, may God help us cause in all what profita a man to be a regular tither ans lose the Kingdom of heaven.

Lucifer isn't resting as he's looking for more scapegoats. I pity those that would fall for his scheme because he's very crafty when dealing with Christians.

paxonel:

There is no correlation between the scripture you quoted with Malachi. The scripture you quoted is a universal law and it applies to everyone(Christians or Jews),

It's rather a kingdom principle . Same as tithes and offerings and prayers

Exodus 22:28
28 Thou shalt not revile the gods, nor curse the ruler of thy people.

What about the scripture above . Is it for Jews

Malachi's tithing was a law only for the Jews.
That analogy of yours do not follow

Abraham our father through whom God brought the revelation of tithe wasn't a Jew

petra1:


It's rather a kingdom principle . Same as tithes and offerings and prayers

Exodus 22:28
28 Thou shalt not revile the gods, nor curse the ruler of thy people.

What about the scripture above . Is it for Jews



Abraham our father through whom God brought the revelation of tithe wasn't a Jew

Tithe can never never be kingdom principles.
That is what they told you, but they fail to see the contradiction there.
And you accepted it because you don't know what Jesus meant by the kingdom.
If you really want to understand these things, look at the time frame.
Old testament and their laws and prophets were never time for the kingdom of God.

Luke 7:28
For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women(including all the prophets of the old testament or old covenant) there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God(in Christianity) is greater than he(John the Baptist)

You know what that means?
Assuming John the Baptist thought tithing as a principle when he was baptising people, then he would not have thought it under the dispensation of grace, which is Christianity, how much more Malachi and all the old prophets?
OK, if Exodus 22:28 was only for the Jews?
No, it is also a universal law.
Even Jesus says in Matt 5:22
......if you tell your brother "thou fool" you will be in danger of hell fire.
So, curse or abuse is a universal sin.
Abraham was never a Christian he never had that privilege.
Infact Abraham founded Judaism (the religion of the Jews which is the old covenant).
And Jesus founded Christianity later. (If you understand Daniels prophecy when he saw the huge statue in his dream )

John 10:7-8 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep (the Jews, not Christians o)
All that ever came before me(including Abraham) are thieves and robbers: but the sheep(the Jews) did not hear them.
So Abraham is a thief and robber.
And you know what happens to thieves and robbers?
They die!!
In, summary, Abraham, all the prophets of the old and their tithes nor reach.
Them be small small bois.
So don't belittle yourself paying tithe as a Christian.
If dangote who is a Muslim never go to church to pay tithe one day, yet he is the richest man, don't you think you can make your money without tithe?
When ever any pastor want you to pay tithe, he goes to old testament.
They are called old testament pastors, everywhere in Nigeria.
They forget that old testament is Torah (holy book of judaism)

aydes:


Bring all tithes into the storehouse, that there maybe meat in my house, whose house? Ofcourse the house od God ad in those days God recognized meat as offweinf unto him.. So if you have a thousand sheep your tithe is 100 sheep which will be taken to the store houae of the house of God. Present day we call it church altho its supposed to be the house of God cause we the saints are the church.
I hope i have thrown more light to the best of my knowledge. We just have to do the will of God, may God help us cause in all what profita a man to be a regular tither anthe Kingdom of heaven.

Thank God you say in those days,
Not this present day .
You will never quote anywhere in new testament to support tithe.
The devil have taken advantage of this ignorance to Robb the church financially for many decades now.
But not in this modern day again where there is knowledge and understanding

paxonel:
Pastors are good at quoting Malachi 3:10 a lot when they want to distort innocent and ignorant church members. Beware of your pastor irrespective of his large church.
Please note that prophet Malachi was a prophet in old testament therefore, he was an inferior prophet to us who are christians.(Luke 7:28)
He should therefore not be used to detect how Christians should live their lives in this modern day.

Devil's philosophy . Get knowledge. I am God and change not.

paxonel:

Thank God you say in those days,
Not this present day .
You will never quote anywhere in new testament to support tithe.
The devil have taken advantage of this ignorance to Robb the church financially for many decades now.
But not in this modern day again where there is knowledge and understanding

The bible is one, both old testament and new testament. Its a commandment of God, if you like pay if you like dont. Its for your own benefit.
Have paying tithe with a heart that youre doing it to please God. But first if you dont even have a relationship with God. You'll continue to see tithe in a different angle of you bn robbed. So be saved bro. May God help us all.

paxonel:

Tithe can never never be kingdom principles.
That is what they told you, but they fail to see the contradiction there.
And you accepted it because you don't know what Jesus meant by the kingdom.
If you really want to understand these things, look at the time frame.
Old testament and their laws and prophets were never time for the kingdom of God.

Luke 7:28
For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women(including all the prophets of the old testament or old covenant) there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God(in Christianity) is greater than he(John the Baptist)

You know what that means?
Assuming John the Baptist thought tithing as a principle when he was baptising people, then he would not have thought it under the dispensation of grace, which is Christianity, how much more Malachi and all the old prophets?
OK, if Exodus 22:28 was only for the Jews?
No, it is also a universal law.
Even Jesus says in Matt 5:22
......if you tell your brother "thou fool" you will be in danger of hell fire.
So, curse or abuse is a universal sin.
Abraham was never a Christian he never had that privilege.
Infact Abraham founded Judaism (the religion of the Jews which is the old covenant).
And Jesus founded Christianity later. (If you understand Daniels prophecy when he saw the huge statue in his dream )

John 10:7-8 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep (the Jews, not Christians o)
All that ever came before me(including Abraham) are thieves and robbers: but the sheep(the Jews) did not hear them.
So Abraham is a thief and robber.
And you know what happens to thieves and robbers?
They die!!
In, summary, Abraham, all the prophets of the old and their tithes nor reach.
Them be small small bois.
So don't belittle yourself paying tithe as a Christian.
If dangote who is a Muslim never go to church to pay tithe one day, yet he is the richest man, don't you think you can make your money without tithe?
When ever any pastor want you to pay tithe, he goes to old testament.
They are called old testament pastors, everywhere in Nigeria.
They forget that old testament is Torah (holy book of judaism)

Mr man hmmmmmm,I pity you!
You quoted Luke 7vs28,do you why the least in the kingdom of God greater than John the baptist?
Those in the old testament, the spirit of God(holy spirit) neva lived in them permanently as we have him now,he came upon them nd left!
Secondly,you said Abraham was not a Christian then,yes I agree,but who is the father of faith you use as a Christian now!Without faith,it is impossible to please God!U called God's friend a thief nd a robber!U have forgotten that Abraham was the first man to pay tithe!
Thirdly,Christianity started after d death nd resurrection of Jesus christ!There was no Christian when Jesus walked the earth.
Lastly,every scripture was giving by the inspiration of the holy ghost!He is d same yesterday, today nd forever! If you like pay ur tithe nd if u like eat ur tithe,its ur choose bro.
This is my view!

Tobechuckwu:

Mr man hmmmmmm,I pity you!
You quoted Luke 7vs28,do you why the least in the kingdom of God greater than John the baptist?
Those in the old testament, the spirit of God(holy spirit) neva lived in them permanently as we have him now,he came upon them nd left!
Secondly,you said Abraham was not a Christian then,yes I agree,but who is the father of faith you use as a Christian now!Without faith,it is impossible to please God!U called God's friend a thief nd a robber!U have forgotten that Abraham was the first man to pay tithe!
Thirdly,Christianity started after d death nd resurrection of Jesus christ!There was no Christian when Jesus walked the earth.
Lastly,every scripture was giving by the inspiration of the holy ghost!He is d same yesterday, today nd forever! If you like pay ur tithe nd if u like eat ur tithe,its ur choose bro.
This is my view!

who is this one?
you pity me, then you agree with me,
na wa o

aydes:


The bible is one, both old testament and new testament. Its a commandment of God, if you like pay if you like dont. Its for your own benefit.
Have paying tithe with a heart that youre doing it to please God. But first if you dont even have a relationship with God. You'll continue to see tithe in a different angle of you bn robbed. So be saved bro. May God help us all.

you say old testament and new testament is one?
that means you are saying that old covenant and new covenant is one.
if it is so, then what is the essence of the new covenant? if the laws of the old covenant were so that perfect why did jesus came to die?
please help me explain this parable
matthew 3:10 AND ALSO THE AXE IS LAID UNTO THE ROOT OF THE TREES, THEREFORE EVERY TREE WHICH BRINGETH NOT FORTH GOOD FRUIT IT IS HEWN(CUT) DOWN AND CAST INTO THE FIRE?
What is the axe?
what are trees?

MightySparrow:


Devil's philosophy . Get knowledge. I am God and change not.

it is even the devil that misunderstand when God says i change not by taking it to mean that God did not change his covenant, therefore lets keep continue with the old order of doing things which is obviously why afrca is still backward
you will simply remain in that bondage, dont follow the philosophy of jesus first.

paxonel:
who is this one? you pity me, then you agree with me, na wa o

Bro,I didn't agreed with all,but just a statement u made! Read everything I said nd compare it with urz.

paxonel:
who is this one? you pity me, then you agree with me, na wa o

Bro,I didn't agreed with all,but just a statement u made! Read everything I said nd compare it with urz.

Tobechuckwu:

Bro,I didn't agreed with all,but just a statement u made!
Read everything I said nd compare it with urz.

(your statement)You quoted Luke 7vs28,do you why the least in the kingdom of God greater than John the baptist?
Those in the old testament, the spirit of God(holy spirit) neva lived in them permanently as we have him now,he came upon them nd left!

i never disputed this

(your statement)Secondly,you said Abraham was not a Christian then,yes I agree,but who is the father of faith you use as a Christian now!Without faith,it is impossible to please God!U called God's friend a thief nd a robber!U have forgotten that Abraham was the first man to pay tithe!

it was jesus that called him thief, remember abraham had the old covenant long before jesus came with the new covenant. read john 10:8

Thirdly,Christianity started after d death nd resurrection of Jesus christ!There was no Christian when Jesus walked the earth.
Lastly,every scripture was giving by the inspiration of the holy ghost!He is d same yesterday, today nd forever!

i never disputed this one too

so you see, everything you said you agree with me(except you want to disagree with jesus when he called abraham thief), then at the same time you pity me

you are funny o

petra1:


That means one can give tithes by choice and offering by choice but not for under compulsion

What of prayer?

There is no law now mandating you to pay tithe. If you wish to give any percentage, that's ur decision. God is not commanding you to do so.

petra1:


It's rather a kingdom principle . Same as tithes and offerings and prayers

Exodus 22:28
28 Thou shalt not revile the gods, nor curse the ruler of thy people.

What about the scripture above . Is it for Jews



Abraham our father through whom God brought the revelation of tithe wasn't a Jew

"kingdom principle tithe" with zero scripture to substantiate it?
oga petra1 U have come again ohh...

paxonel:
Pastors are good at quoting Malachi 3:10 a lot when they want to distort innocent and ignorant church members. Beware of your pastor irrespective of his large church.
Please note that prophet Malachi was a prophet in old testament therefore, he was an inferior prophet to us who are christians.(Luke 7:28)
He should therefore not be used to detect how Christians should live their lives in this modern day.

Alaroro


If you have truly benefitted from the teachings of our author and finisher then you would want the movement to live and money really is important in today's world



An alternative is
Ask what d church needs and buy the highest quality you can afford for them.

GenghisAlexa:



Alaroro


If you have truly benefitted from the teachings of our author and finisher then you would want the movement to live and money really is important in today's world



An alternative is
Ask what d church needs and buy the highest quality you can afford for them.

exactly,
it was the alternative that was used to meet the needs of the church in bible days
not tithe