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Re: It's Very Wrong To Force Or Blackmail The North Into Accepting Restructuring by fratermathy(m): 5:21pm On Aug 06, 2017
CHIJIOKE1314:
I think I have to apologize to you for the outburst. I kind of like your replies.
Makes me feel guilty though..

Your comment might be reprehensible but your manners makes the difference. I'M SORRY!
Belive it or not, we all want the same thing and that is a change in the status quo.

We shouldn't let our anger at the status quo blind us from the goal.

No hard feelings.
Re: It's Very Wrong To Force Or Blackmail The North Into Accepting Restructuring by MrIrohKenedy: 5:22pm On Aug 06, 2017
Desyner:
You must be suffering from illiteracy. How did Hausa feed the nation please? Does the Hausa man pay tax when he farms and sell or does he donate his farm produce to the FG for in exchange for 13%?
Plus name one thing the illiterate north produces that isn't cheaper and better when imported? Rice? Flour? Yam? Cassava? Palm oil? Sugar? Beans? Or Islam?
you just killed an ant with a sledge hammer

cc
Omenka
Re: It's Very Wrong To Force Or Blackmail The North Into Accepting Restructuring by fratermathy(m): 5:24pm On Aug 06, 2017
Desyner:
What good have they done that is too heavy for your deceptive fingers to type?
There are more than 50 million Hausas/Fulanis in this nation. Are you saying that NOT EVEN ONE OF THEM is capable of good?
Re: It's Very Wrong To Force Or Blackmail The North Into Accepting Restructuring by Efewestern: 5:24pm On Aug 06, 2017
fratermathy:
Yes. They need to know of their own potentials and wealth so that the deep rooted fear that they would be disadvantaged if there is a restructuring would be eliminated.

However, the hate speeches they see everyday may not help matters at all.
Yes exactly, I don't think anybody is poor, we can work things out, but first we should educate them about their potentials as for the hate speeches no Urhobo /itsekiri/ijaw/isoko etc son insult others, those beating the drum of war should know where and where their madness starts and end.

I read the kaduna stuff, smh
Re: It's Very Wrong To Force Or Blackmail The North Into Accepting Restructuring by Kazim88(op): 5:26pm On Aug 06, 2017
Efewestern:
it's difficult to comment on this forum because of the kids here, they always insult people who don't subscribe to their view.

now back to the op, you have been misinformed, restructuring will benefit everybody, not that you won't receive assistant from FG, but the present structure is not working, just imagine your state focusing on agriculture with support from the central government? And with restructuring we will be able to grow our economy and depend less on oil.

No state in Nigeria is poor, we just have leaders with no vision, if we continue with the status quo no state will want to work, because of over dependence on FG , what we re saying is that let's restructure Nigeria in a way so it benefits everyone, I mean south south, north, east and west.

30%-40% tax goes to the federal, with this nobody will be crying of marginalization, from the tax the Central Government might decide to help state with low income and also execute some federal project.

I believe Nigeria shall be great, let's join hand together and demand for what is right, let's restructure the country.

thanks.
You think it's about me... or receiving.. am not a northerner .

wait.. You are absolutely correct about the benefits of restructuring... It is the only way to develop Nigeria to compete with other developing countries.. as it we are not even worthy to be call a developing country.

We would be something like British.. which have England, Scotland, Wales... under one country. Although it requires hard work, but Atleast it would create more job since every region would sit up and create value.

That said. but you must understand the North, They are conservatives, feudalist..
they always prefer the status quo.

Emir of Kano has the blue print to save the North from poverty but they would never allow him... they almost dethrone him.

unlike the south that have been adapting to new ways in other to survive and develop.


Now my point.... Let's agree that restructuring is good, What moral justification do you have to force that "good" on people... After they have with clear eyes choosing to opt for the bad option because they are not ready for the better??
Re: It's Very Wrong To Force Or Blackmail The North Into Accepting Restructuring by CHIJIOKE1314: 5:31pm On Aug 06, 2017
fratermathy:
Belive it or not, we all want the same thing and that is a change in the status quo.

We shouldn't let our anger at the status quo blind us from the goal.

No hard feelings.
I don't really like playing sectional games if am in a good mode.. I prefer calling out politicians, because they are the problem we all have in this country..

Their mentality as it relates to EVERYTHING is disgusting.

Whatever you see happening today in Nigeria is as result of political actions and inaction..

The FRNC1999 is killing the fragile peace justice harmony respect and 'unity' left..

We collectively need to kill FRNC1999 before it kills all of us..
Re: It's Very Wrong To Force Or Blackmail The North Into Accepting Restructuring by Kazim88(op): 5:31pm On Aug 06, 2017
fratermathy:
Yes. They need to know of their own potentials and wealth so that the deep rooted fear that they would be disadvantaged if there is a restructuring would be eliminated.

However, the hate speeches they see everyday may not help matters at all. Just imagine how the Op of this thread who just came to give his opinion (which is always subject to debate and change) would feel at seeing the nonsensical and hate filled comments by some youths here.
I have to accept it as the norms of Nairaland.... I just try to ignore some, some I try to enlighten.
Re: It's Very Wrong To Force Or Blackmail The North Into Accepting Restructuring by Jabioro:
Kazim88:
Yes the system is faulty, but by omission or commission the North found themselves in advantage position after the war which they exploited.

Nigeria Belong to everyone... If some part says no, you are bound to respect their decision. Even if it bad or good.

2ndly, North on the other hand due to the fact some people are trying to demonize them for saying No to restructuring have opted to lobby their reps and senators to allow Biafra Referendum.

In my candid opinion... they have taken a stand and also made it possible for others to make theirs.

To those thinking "oil money" , don't be deceived that is secondary... it would be negotiated.


In essence, Enough of the insult already, enough of the blackmail. The North have right also to chose to accept Yes or No for restructuring... They chose No.

Same as the biafrans would have their chance through Referendum but the insults is not just necessary at least from the biafrans.
Agba yin oto le sir.. For you to be an elder in the house or be a Mogaji in any village is a disasters.. Your diplomatic faculty arena is so poor that you don't need to put it in use at all sir.. I must confessed anger.. Let's go separately.. North can be born to rules forever.. Give equal ri
Kazim88:
You think it's about me... or receiving.. am not a northerner .

wait.. You are absolutely correct about the benefits of restructuring... It is the only way to develop Nigeria to compete with other developing countries.. as it we are not even worthy to be call a developing country.

We would be something like British.. which have England, Scotland, Wales... under one country. Although it requires hard work, but Atleast it would create more job since every region would sit up and create value.

That said. but you must understand the North, They are conservatives, feudalist..
they always prefer the status quo.

Emir of Kano has the blue print to save the North from poverty but they would never allow him... they almost dethrone him.

unlike the south that have been adapting to new ways in other to survive and develop.


Now my point.... Let's agree that restructuring is good, What moral justification do you have to force that "good" on people... After they have with clear eyes choosing to opt for the bad option because they are not ready for the better??
Kazim88:
Yes the system is faulty, but by omission or commission the North found themselves in advantage position after the war which they exploited.

Nigeria Belong to everyone... If some part says no, you are bound to respect their decision. Even if it bad or good.

2ndly, North on the other hand due to the fact some people are trying to demonize them for saying No to restructuring have opted to lobby their reps and senators to allow Biafra Referendum.

In my candid opinion... they have taken a stand and also made it possible for others to make theirs.

To those thinking "oil money" , don't be deceived that is secondary... it would be negotiated.


In essence, Enough of the insult already, enough of the blackmail. The North have right also to chose to accept Yes or No for restructuring... They chose No.

Same as the biafrans would have their chance through Referendum but the insults is not just necessary at least from the biafrans.
Agba yin oto le sir.. For you to be an elder in the house or be a Mogaji in any village is a disasters.. Your diplomatic faculty arena is so poor that you don't need to put it in use at all sir.. I must confessed anger.. Let's go separately.. North can be born to rules forever.. Give equal right...
Re: It's Very Wrong To Force Or Blackmail The North Into Accepting Restructuring by fratermathy(m): 5:37pm On Aug 06, 2017
CHIJIOKE1314:
I don't really like playing sectional games if am in a good mode.. I prefer calling out politicians, because they are the problem we all have in this country..

Their mentality as it relates to EVERYTHING is disgusting.

Whatever you see happening today in Nigeria is as result of political actions and inaction..

The FRNC1999 is killing the fragile peace justice harmony respect and 'unity' left..

We collectively need to kill FRNC1999 before it kills all of us..
Very correct. Most of the problems we have today stem from our leaders. Right down from the national leaders to the leaders in our wards. No one is honest to the people.


Personally, I'm getting fed up with this nation but where will we run to that these same leaders won't follow? A revolution is needed to set things in proper course.


Nnamdi Kanu is doing what Nigerian Youths should have done long ago. Sadly, he's not doing it right. The bad blood is too much. His rage should be directed to Abuja and the crop of dishonest leaders we have in this nation, and not at ethnic groups. I'm only glad that he has sparked up the polity enough for everyone to genuinely be afraid. I hope we grow some balls from this and demand for a revolution.
Re: It's Very Wrong To Force Or Blackmail The North Into Accepting Restructuring by Efewestern: 5:45pm On Aug 06, 2017
Kazim88:
You think it's about me... or receiving.. am not a northerner .

wait.. You are absolutely correct about the benefits of restructuring... It is the only way to develop Nigeria to compete with other developing countries.. as it we are not even worthy to be call a developing country.

We would be something like British.. which have England, Scotland, Wales... under one country. Although it requires hard work, but Atleast it would create more job since every region would sit up and create value.

That said. but you must understand the North, They are conservatives, feudalist..
they always prefer the status quo.

Emir of Kano has the blue print to save the North from poverty but they would never allow him... they almost dethrone him.

unlike the south that have been adapting to new ways in other to survive and develop.


Now my point.... Let's agree that restructuring is good, What moral justification do you have to force that "good" on people... After they have with clear eyes choosing to opt for the bad option because they are not ready for the better??
Thanks for your matured response.

sorry if I forced my idea of restructuring on others, well let me limit it to my tribe.

Let's be truthful to ourselves, it's near impossible to divide this country, you know it, but we can opt for better option which is restructuring, with this nobody losses anything, my point here is that we should educate the northerners about the benefit of a well restructured Nigeria instead of mocking them, that gat potentials too you know, the average Hausa man is ignorant, only stick to his radio to listen to BBC Hausa, most don't browse and they lack proper information, campaign should be launched in a way that each northerners knows the benefit of restructuring, with this The NASS and Senate gat no option that to restructure Nigeria.
Re: It's Very Wrong To Force Or Blackmail The North Into Accepting Restructuring by Kazim88(op): 5:49pm On Aug 06, 2017
Jabioro:
Agba yin oto le sir.. For you to be an elder in the house or be a Mogaji in any village is a disasters.. Your diplomatic faculty arena is so poor that you don't need to put it in use at all sir.. I must confessed anger.. [b] Let's go separately [b].. North can be born to rules forever.. Give equal riAgba yin oto le sir.. For you to be an elder in the house or be a Mogaji in any village is a disasters.. Your diplomatic faculty arena is so poor that you don't need to put it in use at all sir.. I must confessed anger.. Let's go separately.. North can be born to rules forever.. Give equal ri
The bolded is the option the Yorubas have which must Never be denied from them.

wait.
Yoruba want true federalism
Hausa prefer status quo
Biafrans want Secession

Everyone is entitled and deserving of his choice. (Full stop)

The problem is everyone wants the other to drop his position because he ignorantly assume that his own choice is the best while the others are foolish. (myopic)

So it's like marriage, it all about compromise or divorce. not abuses or forcing the other partner to accept what you want by fire or by force.
Re: It's Very Wrong To Force Or Blackmail The North Into Accepting Restructuring by EasternLeopard: 5:50pm On Aug 06, 2017
fratermathy:
That is his opinion and he's entitled to it, just as you and your ilk are to yours.

Calling him or his people a "parasite" is low of you. These are the types of things that have landed the Igbo ethnicity into its current altercations with Arewa.

Why do you think they are parasites? What exactly do you have that they don't? Or is it your palm oil from Oguta or Ukwa East that is catching you?

Hausas feed the nation and don't complain about it.

You guys should learn some respect and have some dignity.
You are a disgrace to the Urhobos you so much defend


Do Urhobos want Restructuring or the status quo.?
Re: It's Very Wrong To Force Or Blackmail The North Into Accepting Restructuring by Desyner: 5:50pm On Aug 06, 2017
fratermathy:
There are more than 50 million Hausas/Fulanis in this nation. Are you saying that NOT EVEN ONE OF THEM is capable of good?
"What good have they done?" is different from "Are they capable of any good?" stop spewing trash around mr man and answer the question.
Re: It's Very Wrong To Force Or Blackmail The North Into Accepting Restructuring by fratermathy(m): 5:52pm On Aug 06, 2017
EasternLeopard:
You are a disgrace to the Urhobos you so much defend


Do Urhobos want Restructuring or the status quo.?
And what brought Urhobo to this thread now mister?

I weep for this generation!
Re: It's Very Wrong To Force Or Blackmail The North Into Accepting Restructuring by EasternLeopard: 5:52pm On Aug 06, 2017
Efewestern:
Thanks for your matured response.

sorry if I forced my idea of restructuring on others, well let me limit it to my tribe.

Let's be truthful to ourselves, it's near impossible to divide this country, you know it, but we can opt for better option which is restructuring, with this nobody losses anything, my point here is that we should educate the northerners about the benefit of a well restructured Nigeria instead of mocking them, that gat potentials too you know, the average Hausa man is ignorant, only stick to his radio to listen to BBC Hausa, most don't browse and they lack proper information, campaign should be launched in a way that each northerners knows the benefit of restructuring, with this The NASS and Senate gat no option that to restructure Nigeria.
To you it is near impossible to divide Nigeria



Is Nigeria stronger than the defunct Soviet Union.?
Re: It's Very Wrong To Force Or Blackmail The North Into Accepting Restructuring by EasternLeopard: 5:54pm On Aug 06, 2017
fratermathy:
And what brought Urhobo to this thread now mister?

I weep for this generation!
Everything


A man defended the North stand to see the status quo remain and you failed to bring it to his notice that your people seek Restructuring.


Check your body temperature again because I know Urhobos want Restructuring.
Re: It's Very Wrong To Force Or Blackmail The North Into Accepting Restructuring by fratermathy(m): 5:54pm On Aug 06, 2017
Desyner:
"What good have they done?" is different from "Are they capable of any good?" stop spewing trash around mr man and answer the question.
Maybe you should direct your question to yourself first. If you need help answering it, feel free to use the Internet for research.
Re: It's Very Wrong To Force Or Blackmail The North Into Accepting Restructuring by fratermathy(m): 5:56pm On Aug 06, 2017
EasternLeopard:
Everything


A man defended the North stand to see the status quo remain and you failed to bring it to his notice that your people seek Restructuring.


Check your body temperature again because I know Urhobos want Restructuring.
Maybe you should start by reading my very first comment on this thread and the others till this point thoroughly.

My grievance with this thread is with the way Northerners were insulted for their own stand on this matter. That is not to say I agree or disagree with their stand. Everyone is entitled to choose whatever they want but at the end of the day, the oppressed is always liberated.
Re: It's Very Wrong To Force Or Blackmail The North Into Accepting Restructuring by Desyner: 5:57pm On Aug 06, 2017
fratermathy:
Maybe you should direct your question to yourself first. If you need help answering it, feel free to use the Internet for research.
You can't support your own argument with facts. Disgraceful.
Re: It's Very Wrong To Force Or Blackmail The North Into Accepting Restructuring by fratermathy(m): 5:58pm On Aug 06, 2017
Desyner:
You can't support your own argument with facts. Disgraceful.
I was never arguing with you. In fact, I clearly stated that I won't do so because your mind is incapable of conceiving anything good of the Hausa ethnicity.
Re: It's Very Wrong To Force Or Blackmail The North Into Accepting Restructuring by EasternLeopard: 5:59pm On Aug 06, 2017
fratermathy:
Maybe you should start by reading my very first comment on this thread and the others till this point thoroughly.

My grievance with this thread is with the way Hausas were insulted for their own stand on this matter. That is not to say I agree or disagree with their stand. Everyone is entitled to choose whatever they want but at the end of the day, the oppressed is always liberated.
Are you now a defender of Hausa Fulani people or Urhobos


Urhobos want Restructuring and that is what you should propagate and not defend any Hausa Fulani person.



Focus on what Urhobos want like Efewestern do
Re: It's Very Wrong To Force Or Blackmail The North Into Accepting Restructuring by Efewestern: 6:00pm On Aug 06, 2017
EasternLeopard:
To you it is near impossible to divide Nigeria


Is Nigeria stronger than the defunct Soviet Union.?
No sir, but you can't compare Soviet union with Nigeria.
Restructuring is the only way out.
Re: It's Very Wrong To Force Or Blackmail The North Into Accepting Restructuring by fratermathy(m): 6:00pm On Aug 06, 2017
EasternLeopard:
Are you now a defender of Hausa Fulani people or Urhobos


Urhobos want Restructuring and that is what you should propagate and not defend any Hausa Fulani person.



Focus on what Urhobos want like Efewestern do
Are you now a speaker for Urhobo nation?

And who exactly are you to tell anyone what to propagate or not?
Re: It's Very Wrong To Force Or Blackmail The North Into Accepting Restructuring by EasternLeopard: 6:01pm On Aug 06, 2017
Efewestern:
No sir, but you can't compare Soviet union with Nigeria.

Restructuring is the only way out.
What next since Restructuring has been rejected in the National Assembly by the Northern Senators.
Re: It's Very Wrong To Force Or Blackmail The North Into Accepting Restructuring by EasternLeopard: 6:02pm On Aug 06, 2017
fratermathy:
Are you now a speaker for Urhobo nation?
And who exactly are you to tell anyone what to propagate or not?
No
I am only stating what the Urhobos want.
Re: It's Very Wrong To Force Or Blackmail The North Into Accepting Restructuring by fratermathy(m): 6:04pm On Aug 06, 2017
EasternLeopard:
What next since Restructuring has been rejected in the National Assembly by the Northern Senators.
Restructuring was not rejected by anybody. The only thing that was massively voted against by the North was on the devolution of powers to States.

The APC committee on restructuring is yet to produce its report. The Senate and HoR committees are yet to produce theirs too.

Dont be in a haste to cry defeat.
Re: It's Very Wrong To Force Or Blackmail The North Into Accepting Restructuring by Desyner: 6:05pm On Aug 06, 2017
fratermathy:
I was never arguing with you. In fact, I clearly stated that I won't do so because your mind is incapable of conceiving anything good of the Hausa ethnicity.
What is the meaning of argument? Bloody O.k.p.o.g.o.r.o!
Re: It's Very Wrong To Force Or Blackmail The North Into Accepting Restructuring by Kazim88(op): 6:05pm On Aug 06, 2017
Efewestern:
Thanks for your matured response.

sorry if I forced my idea of restructuring on others, well let me limit it to my tribe.

Let's be truthful to ourselves, it's near impossible to divide this country, you know it, but we can opt for better option which is restructuring, with this nobody losses anything, my point here is that we should educate the northerners about the benefit of a well restructured Nigeria instead of mocking them, that gat potentials too you know, the average Hausa man is ignorant, only stick to his radio to listen to BBC Hausa, most don't browse and they lack proper information, campaign should be launched in a way that each northerners knows the benefit of restructuring, with this The NASS and Senate gat no option that to restructure Nigeria.
Suggestion is perfect....
The challenge is an average Northerner is indoctrinated from child to see the a southerner as a Enemy or opposition whom they must be wary off... who they must subdue and rule.

As it is... their root believe is that the South is trying to steal what belong to them... The right to suppress all tribe..

It would take another life time to explain to them that we are one, that they is no North or South, that we bound as one... we must succeed, we must score ...no matter the scorer.. That no one was born to rule over the other, that for everybody to give their best for us to win, everyone must be sure that they is equity and fairness, that they is no tribalism or nepotism... That we are bound by common destiny.

It would also take Angels to teach them too... until then we must accept them, as it is.

And work with what we have.
Re: It's Very Wrong To Force Or Blackmail The North Into Accepting Restructuring by EasternLeopard: 6:06pm On Aug 06, 2017
fratermathy:
Restructuring was not rejected by anybody. The only thing that was massively voted against by the North was on the devolution of powers to States.

The APC committee on restructuring is yet to produce its report. The Senate and HoR committees are yet to produce theirs too.

Dont be in a haste to cry defeat.
This one needs proper education


Who makes law.? National Assembly or APC


Restructuring has been rejected what next Efewestern


Efewestern I am waiting for your response


What next since the North has rejected Restructuring at the National Assembly
Re: It's Very Wrong To Force Or Blackmail The North Into Accepting Restructuring by fratermathy(m): 6:07pm On Aug 06, 2017
EasternLeopard:
No

I am only stating what the Urhobos want.
What "you think" the Urhobos want.

Besides, this thread is not about what Urhobos want but about restructuring. I think it'd do everyone good to remain on subject.

The OP has said the north doesnt want Restructuring. I don't agree with that view as my comments have been showing. However that doesn't mean that we should now attack all Northerners or the OP.
Re: It's Very Wrong To Force Or Blackmail The North Into Accepting Restructuring by Kazim88(op): 6:19pm On Aug 06, 2017
The Problem with Africans... is that we just think about what we want or think is the best and try to Impose it. (zero empathy)

You would almost see it in every home... in different form... where parent impose life partner for their children because they think the person they chose is the best... nowadays wives now impose their will in their husbands..

We need to grow up, and accept that people have a choice, and a right to make that choice.

That with all ur Cambridge Standard Education you still don't know how it appears from his point of view.

No road is easy... Statue Quo, Restructuring or separation... but Atleast let everyone make his choice and allow is brother to make his and never make it for him... Paraventure the road get tough he would look back and say, Yes it was my choice.
Re: It's Very Wrong To Force Or Blackmail The North Into Accepting Restructuring by freshest4live: 6:24pm On Aug 06, 2017
Efewestern:
the issue here is that so many bigot online, it's almost difficult to reason with people here, the country won't move forward if we continue like this.

The north needs to know that restructuring won't harm them, a program can be initiated by the federal government to help states that can't cope, the north has a lot of mineral resources, Is it food? we need to point out these fact to them so they know they are not disadvantaged in a well restructured Nigeria. I also suggest death penalty to any corrupt government official.
Death penalty is not the issue. The Electoral process that allows you spend billions just to become a Governor is useless and must be reformed. If l spend 3 billion naira just to win a LGA election, because it was an investment, l would definitely do my best to recover all while in power and even make gains, hence you have no right to send EFCC after me.
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