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Is very wrong for a northerner to be president
Wrong for northerner to own 90% of oil block
Very wrong for northerners to be 90% Nigeria army and police
Very wrong for the northerner to give us boko haram and fulani herdsmen
It is very wrong to be in the same country with the north

Kazim88:
The bolded is the option the Yorubas have which must Never be denied from them.

wait.
Yoruba want true federalism
Hausa prefer status quo
Biafrans want Secession

Everyone is entitled and deserving of his choice. (Full stop)

The problem is everyone wants the other to drop his position because he ignorantly assume that his own choice is the best while the others are foolish. (myopic)

So it's like marriage, it all about compromise or divorce. not abuses or forcing the other partner to accept what you want by fire or by force.

Divorce ..period! .

fratermathy:
Restructuring was not rejected by anybody. The only thing that was massively voted against by the North was on the devolution of powers to States.

The APC committee on restructuring is yet to produce its report. The Senate and HoR committees are yet to produce theirs too.

Dont be in a haste to cry defeat.

El Rufai has openly said no to restructuring over and over again, same as AGF Malami...


They is even a anti restructuring campaign ongoing in the North... they are blaming the Yorubas for it.....

They is an Anti Igbo campaign also, say the Igbos are insulting them (not because they want to break out)

The Elite genuinely wants Igbos to stay but the masses have totally rejected it...

Lastly, The Elites have sworn never to make Osibanjo President... if Buhari like let him stay London for 900 days .

And funny enough nobody has the capacity to do anything... The only person capable and is shaking them is Nnamdi Kanu and FFK... the rest are completely sell out.

Kazim88:
Suggestion is perfect....
The challenge is an average Northerner is indoctrinated from child to see the a southerner as a Enemy or opposition whom they must be wary off... who they must subdue and rule.

As it is... their root believe is that the South is trying to steal what belong to them... The right to suppress all tribe..

It would take another life time to explain to them that we are one, that they is no North or South, that we bound as one... we must succeed, we must score ...no matter the scorer.. That no one was born to rule over the other, that for everybody to give their best for us to win, everyone must be sure that they is equity and fairness, that they is no tribalism or nepotism... That we are bound by common destiny.

It would also take Angels to teach them too... until then we must accept them, as it is.

And work with what we have.

to be sincere with you I haven't met with any northerners excerpt the aboki in my area who I don't relate to because they don't understand English or pigin very well.

now if what you wrote is true about them, then it's impossible to educate them and it's also waste of time and energy .

THE WAY FORWARD

we should put pressure on our senates from southern part of Nigeria and also those from NC, I believe they too are tired of the current structure of Nigeria.

with this we can secure 3/4 of the Senate vote. what do you think?

limeta:
Is very wrong for a northerner to be president
Wrong for northerner to own 90% of oil block
Very wrong for northerners to be 90% Nigeria army and police
Very wrong for the northerner to give us boko haram and fulani herdsmen
It is very wrong to be in the same country with the north

You are absolutely right.. I would marry you as my latest and for being current.. click green to begin the journey NOW..

Efewestern:
to be sincere with you I haven't met with any northerners excerpt the aboki in my area who I don't relate to because they don't understand English or pigin very well.

now if what you wrote is true about them, then it's impossible to educate them and it's also waste of time and energy .

THE WAY FORWARD

we should put pressure on our senates from southern part of Nigeria and also those from NC, I believe they too are tired of the current structure of Nigeria.

with this we can secure 3/4 of the Senate vote. what do you think?

Those Aboki you see on the street are "commoners" , they from birth pledge their allegiance to the Nobles... (Feudalism)

That's how the North is trying to run Nigeria.
The erroneously see Southern political leaders as Elite and nobles why the rest as commoners (that is the core reason of all the agitations, the south are free thinking republicans, we have no nobles
... enrich the political class those not appease the mass) t

that's why upon all the affliction in the North they can't and will never agitated unless to agitate in the interest of their elite...



But it is certainly geting to that point where the people (south) would rise up against those politicians and the Senate would be forced man up and do the needfull

EasternLeopard:
This one needs proper education


Who makes law.? National Assembly or APC


Restructuring has been rejected what next Efewestern


Efewestern I am waiting for your response


What next since the North has rejected Restructuring at the National Assembly

I don't think so, Kanu is still putting pressure on FG, people are getting tired of this current structure, sooner or later we will discuss a permanent way forward and that will lead to restructuring or everybody goes their way.

to an average urhobo man, secession is the last thing on our mind now, but if they insist on the status quo, we have no option than to align with any group, provided our interest will be protected.

Efewestern:
No sir, but you can't compare Soviet union with Nigeria.

Restructuring is the only way out.

-I'm following this thread judiciously.

-Please could you state what makes USSR peculiar that it can't be compare to Nigeria?
I. Is it the dangerous deceptive "Unity in Diversity? They had it!
II. Grand corruption? They had it! In fact, Milton Friedman (Late) once said; If you make Soviet Politicians in charge of Sahara desert, there will be scarcity of sand. They were that corrupt. OR
III. Is it the Unity through barrel of gun as seen in Nigeria? They had it, plenty.

-Human societies are literally the same but most failed to see this. But I will give you a chance to answer my question above. Thanks.

freshest4live:
Death penalty is not the issue. The Electoral process that allows you spend billions just to become a Governor is useless and must be reformed. If l spend 3 billion naira just to win a LGA election, because it was an investment, l would definitely do my best to recover all while in power and even make gains, hence you have no right to send EFCC after me.

so what's your suggestion?

Efewestern:
I don't think so, Kanu is still putting pressure on FG, people are getting tired of this current structure, sooner or later we will discuss a permanent way forward and that will lead to restructuring or everybody goes their way.

to an average urhobo man, secession is the last thing on our mind now, but if they insist on the status quo, we have no option than to align with any group, provided our interest will be protected.

Actually the Senate have made it clear, they would have to discuss about it more and then revisit it by September.

Kazim88:
Those Aboki you see on the street are "commoners" , they from birth pledge their allegiance to the Nobles... (Feudalism)

That's how the North is trying to run Nigeria.
The erroneously see Southern political leaders as Elite and nobles why the rest as commoners (that is the core reason of all the agitations, the south are free thinking republicans, we have no nobles
... enrich the political class those not appease the mass) t

that's why upon all the affliction in the North they can't and will never agitated unless to agitate in the interest of their elite...



But it is certainly geting to that point where the people (south) would rise up against those politicians and the Senate would be forced man up and do the needfull

I also think sw are not serious with the issue of restructuring, as for the northern elite a time will come where they will have no option than to beg for restructuring I hope it won't be too late then.

Efewestern:
so what's your suggestion?

My suggestion is that we also need a new constitution or at least an amended constitution that clearly defines how an election should be held.

Efewestern:
the issue here is that so many bigot online, it's almost difficult to reason with people here, the country won't move forward if we continue like this.

The north needs to know that restructuring won't harm them, a program can be initiated by the federal government to help states that can't cope, the north has a lot of mineral resources, Is it food? we need to point out these fact to them so they know they are not disadvantaged in a well restructured Nigeria. I also suggest death penalty to any corrupt government official.

You think the average northerner is afraid of restructuring? It is the elite who are, and they are not ready to make long term plans, so they cannot be persuaded to embrace restructuring. Oil money is easy money because unlike agriculture and solid minerals, they don't have to plan to get it in the future. It is already there.

PDJT:
-I'm following this thread judiciously.

-Please could you state what makes USSR peculiar that it can't be compare to Nigeria?
I. Is it the dangerous deceptive "Unity in Diversity? They had it!
II. Grand corruption? They had it! In fact, Milton Friedman (Late) once said; If you make Soviet Politicians in charge of Sahara desert, there will be scarcity of sand. They were that corrupt. OR
III. Is it the Unity through barrel of gun as seen in Nigeria? They had it, plenty.

-Human societies are literally the same but most failed to see this. But I will give you a chance to answer by question above. Thanks.

USSR were somehow In a confederation state before the issue of secession came.

in case of size USSR is far larger than Nigeria

Each region in USSR were not dependent on other region, as the case may be in Nigeria, reason you see some region fighting to keep the country united.

so again there are two different cases.

Efewestern:
so what's your suggestion?

-Do what societies we copied Democracy from do. Take Money away from Politics. If you want Money/Wealth, stick to the Private sector, but if you want Power/Authority then head to Politics. Do you know top-end Surgeons in the US earn more than the US President? The person that run Transport for London(TfL) earn more than the British PM?.., [imagine whoever run Lagos Transport earning more than Nigerian President]...just a few example.
-But I don't think it will ever happen in Nigeria, hence why I support the restoration of Biafra, cos it offers an opportunity to renegotiate our political status, structure and constitution.

Efewestern:
I also think sw are not serious with the issue of restructuring, as for the northern elite a time will come where they will have no option than to beg for restructuring I hope it won't be too late then.

The south west politicians are not serious about restructuring....
Nobody is serious about it... No one is willing to die or kill for it... it's just lip service....

Even those using breakup to threaten the North for restructuring are not serious.

If the North rejects restructuring today and says Yoruba should vote to stay or leave... you would be shocked that 80% would stay...

Biafrans are willing to die, even kill for their biafra.... Who is willing to die for restructuring

The North are willing to kill for the status quo... willing to kill to retain the presidency... who is fighting for restructuring...

PDJT:
-Do what societies we copied Democracy from do. Take Money away from Politics. If you want Money/Wealth, stick to the Private sector, but if you want Power/Authority then head to Politics. Do you know top-end Surgeons in the US earn more than the US President? The person that run Transport for London(TfL) earn more than the British PM?.., [imagine whoever run Lagos Transport earning more than Nigerian President]...just a few example.
-But I don't think it will ever happen in Nigeria, hence why I support the restoration of Biafra, cos it offers an opportunity to renegotiate our political status, structure and constitution.

I concur.

Kazim88:
The south west politicians are not serious about restructuring....
Nobody is serious about it... No one is willing to die or kill for it... it's just lip service....

Even those using breakup to threaten the North for restructuring are not serious.

If the North rejects restructuring today and says Yoruba should vote to stay or leave... you would be shocked that 80% would stay...

Biafrans are willing to die, even kill for their biafra.... Who is willing to die for restructuring

The North are willing to kill for the status quo... willing to kill to retain the presidency... who is fighting for restructuring...

You assume too much about the North, though some of your assumptions are valid.

freshest4live:
You assume too much about the North, though some of your assumptions are valid.

It takes a little empathy to see the world from the other side ..

Then you would see things as it is... not by bias.

L

Efewestern:
USSR were somehow In a confederation state before the issue of secession came.

in case of size USSR is far larger than Nigeria

Each region in USSR were not dependent on other region, as the case may be in Nigeria, reason you see some region fighting to keep the country united.

so again there are two different cases.

Nope.
-USSR was "nominally" a union of multiple equal national Soviet republics, run from Moscow as a Federation, just like Nigeria is run from Arewa.

- It's government and economy were highly centralized. ..just like Nigeria today.

-The country was a one-party federation, which is what Nigeria has always been literally, as the party in Abuja runs everything with little or no opposition.

-Please where is the difference?

Honestly, the powers concentrated at the federal is just too much.
What we have is a unitary system disguised as federalism. Autonomy of regions is our best bet or we break up. The North cannot force us to do their bidding, one day bush meat go catch the hunter: they cannot forever rule.
We either restructure or separate. Simple

Kazim88:
The south west politicians are not serious about restructuring....
Nobody is serious about it... No one is willing to die or kill for it... it's just lip service....

Even those using breakup to threaten the North for restructuring are not serious.

If the North rejects restructuring today and says Yoruba should vote to stay or leave... you would be shocked that 80% would stay...

Biafrans are willing to die, even kill for their biafra.... Who is willing to die for restructuring

The North are willing to kill for the status quo... willing to kill to retain the presidency... who is fighting for restructuring...

don't want to go off topic, but the issue of biafra would have been nice to some minority if it's been approach diplomatically.

I have my worries and I want the best for my people, same with every urhobo guy you see defending the urhobo nation, we just want the best for our people, now achieving biafra will be impossible without support from other tribe or group, I understand the igbos are been marginalized a lot, same with every minority tribe, we all have somethings in common but the bully alone made me distance myself from any biafra topics.

PDJT:
Nope.
-USSR was "nominally" a union of multiple equal national Soviet republics, run from Moscow as a Federation, just like Nigeria is run from Arewa.

- It's government and economy were highly centralized. ..just like Nigeria today.

-The country was a one-party federation, which is what Nigeria has always been literally, as the party in Abuja runs everything with little or no opposition.

-Please where is the difference?

hmm.. no difference then.

But USSR constitution supports referendum right?

freshest4live:
You assume too much about the North, though some of your assumptions are valid.

Lol. The south western politicians are not serious about restructuring because, like vultures they are waiting for a shot at the presidency. If that fails then they would be serious about it. If they succeed at clinching the presidency, restructuring will be swept under the carpet.
The only solution like I have said in my previous posts is splitting the country for good so each can develop at their own pace. Like you said, we can't force the north to develop, so they should not hold us down with their under-development.
For example, most developed countries are trying to reduce their population to make sure that resources are properly managed. But it's against the north and their religion. So if other regions adopt that, they are on their own.
See the mess they nearly made of Sanusi because he tried to change a few things. This person is their own. Among the top traditional rulers in Nigeria. If they did that to him, imagine what they would do to an outsider who tries to change them.
Please let us split. Let each develop at their own pace.

Efewestern:
hmm.. no difference then.

But USSR constitution supports referendum right?

-Lol @ Referendum. You wish.

-The Soviet Union was a Marxist Socialist Country with no exit clause for the forced Republics trapped in it. Same Socialist ideology the Arewas wants to run Nigeria with, but ofcos with somebody else Wealth(Oil & Gas). [See Venezuela.]

-The USSR was richer than Nigeria in terms of natural resources, at one point it was the sole supplier of Iron ore, Oil & Gas to most parts of Western Hemisphere, to the extent Hitler once charged his soldiers to railroad Soviet land to Germany.

-What happened was the Soviet politicians ran the country aground and finally had no other option than to let go eventually....that is where Nigeria is heading today.

-Talking about Referendum in Constitution, The United Kingdom of Great Britain has no Constitution but has conducted atleast 3 Referendums since they created Nigeria.

Efewestern:
to be sincere with you I haven't met with any northerners excerpt the aboki in my area who I don't relate to because they don't understand English or pigin very well.

now if what you wrote is true about them, then it's impossible to educate them and it's also waste of time and energy .

THE WAY FORWARD

we should put pressure on our senates from southern part of Nigeria and also those from NC, I believe they too are tired of the current structure of Nigeria.

with this we can secure 3/4 of the Senate vote. what do you think?

it seems you don't understand what is going on


The Southern Senators voted for Restructuring while the Northern Senators opposed it.



Restructuring has been defeated.



Next is Disintegration.

Sometimes I feel ashamed of some of the people I share ethnicity with. Someone brought up a nice topic and see the way some people started throwing insults left and right like though it will give them what they want. It is this same irrationality that made them ha il Nnamdi Kanu's hate speeches knowing fully well our unique xteristics as a people. The same irrationality is making them claim parts of the Niger-Delta who fear Biafra the way Ukraine are scared of Russia.

Maduawuchukwu:
Sometimes I feel ashamed of some of the people I share ethnicity with. Someone brought up a nice topic and see the way some people started throwing insults left and right like though it will give them what they want. It is this same irrationality that made them ha il Nnamdi Kanu's hate speeches knowing fully well our unique xteristics as a people. The same irrationality is making them claim parts of the Niger-Delta who fear Biafra the way Ukraine are scared of Russia.

so you feel so ashamed of Your Yoruba Tribe??
is that why you picked an Igbo name?

Maduawuchukwu:
Sometimes I feel ashamed of some of the people I share ethnicity with. Someone brought up a nice topic and see the way some people started throwing insults left and right like though it will give them what they want. It is this same irrationality that made them ha il Nnamdi Kanu's hate speeches knowing fully well our unique xteristics as a people. The same irrationality is making them claim parts of the Niger-Delta who fear Biafra the way Ukraine are scared of Russia.

Those who threw abuses apologised and we have moved on. Now make your own contribution or just observe without sounding the way you are.
Someone threatened that if what happened in 2011 should repeat itself in 2015, dogs and baboons will be soaked in their blood and he won the election in 2015. Did his people feel ashamed of him?
Hate speeches are unnecessary so is the first sentence of your post.

Eastfield1:
so you feel so ashamed of Your Yoruba Tribe??
is that why you picked an Igbo name?

I am a real Nwafor and I am proud of my tribe but very ashamed of some IPOBIANS. They have nothing upstairs and are behaving like the Nazis of Germany. Everything is insult to them. If Aboki were the ones behaving like this I won't be shocked but these are my Igboe brethren. It is very painful.

nawtyme:
Those who threw abuses apologised and we have moved on. Now make your own contribution or just observe without sounding the way you are.
Someone threatened that if what happened in 2011 should repeat itself in 2015, dogs and baboons will be soaked in their blood and he won the election in 2015. Did his people feel ashamed of him?
Hate speeches are unnecessary so is the first sentence of your post.

We Igbo people cannot bring ourselves down to Aboki level. The Hausas who encourage violence where are they now economically?

Maduawuchukwu:
I am a real Nwafor and I am proud of my tribe but very ashamed of some IPOBIANS. They have nothing upstairs and are behaving like the Nazis of Germany. Everything is insult to them. If Aboki were the ones behaving like this I won't be shocked but these are my Igboe brethren. It is very painful.

Lol, lt's also surprising to find Igbo's laying their wrappers on the floor for kanu.
Ipob is now a religion, but it's good they are literally peaceful for now(,in actions though).