Maduawuchukwu:


Company Income tax, VAT,excise duties and Petroleum and natural resources tax trumps all these other taxes you listed most especially in a developing nation. In the US which is the federalism the world looks up to, states also collect their portion of taxes on companies and natural resources which should show you their importance.
Secondly, restructuring is also about giving states the powers to determine their pace of development. A state that does not have control nor the funds to build seaports, control power supply, control roads leading to into it and the power to control it's natural resouces cannot take full responsibility for its own development cause these are the determinants of development. The states in Nigeria were after the civil war reduced to mere service rendering agencies such as we see in Germany and Australia. They were never meant to be economic bodies. This is actually deliberate as there is a school of federalim that espouses this. So my dear restructuring is needed.

IgboSubmarine:



Now find out the type of non crude oil products allowed through that port and get a video of that port if you have ever been to Onne seaport before


Let's start from the video first to help you understand our grievance.

IgboSubmarine:




Battery went flat and I was so busy today


I was about to respond when the battery collapsed completely



Now back to my questions



Have you been to Onne seaport before.?


If yes, go back to Onne seaport and get a video of the the seaport so that we all can analyze it in order to help you understand why that port is not being used.


Also get the data of the type of goods allowed through that port as stated by Pazienza




Maduawuchukwu

mesoprogress

deji17

Pazienza

Blue3k:


Are u blind I posted the non crude oil stats.

deji17:


Battery went flat blah, blah, blah. How is that my problem? Why do you always post as if anybody owes you anything? If you have been paying attention to yourself you will not be running amok with some cheap phone and you will have time to charge your phone.

IgboSubmarine:
Blue3k let's make this thread more educational than confrontational in order to help you understand our annoyance with the Nigerian state


So do the following


1) What type of non crude oil products are allowed through that port.
Is it only machinery or all types
of goods


2) Get a video record of Onne seaport so that we can analyze it with that of Lagos seaports.

Blue3k:


Are you a daft or something. What proof have you brought to prove your case. I brought evidence then all you do is shift goal post. You don't bother explainING why you can't use port. If you know definition of things your read it would entail everything.

Lol I can see why God won't bless or love a hypocritical person like you. You complain to OP about not attacking now look at you. Don't bother calling reinforcementsomeone the can't save you from your nonsense.

IgboSubmarine:



You haven't brought the main proof


Get the following data


1) What type of non crude oil products are imported through that port.
Is it only machinery or all types
of goods


2) Get a video record of Onne seaport so that we can analyze it with that of Lagos seaports.




Pazienza Maduawuchukwu are my questions unreasonable.?

If no, pls help me to explain to blue3k in a language he can understand.



I just need those two things done

SonofDevil:
oga stop shifting goal post and face the reality you were crying of marginalization and they gave u reliable stats and graph .why can't u come up with your own facts to counter that instead of wailing

IgboSubmarine:



Go provide those 2 information to silent our grievance.


If you can't get those information, then we are right to be angry with the Nigerian State.




So help him to get those information.

Maduawuchukwu:


Company Income tax, VAT,excise duties and Petroleum and natural resources tax trumps all these other taxes you listed most especially in a developing nation. In the US which is the federalism the world looks up to, states also collect their portion of taxes on companies and natural resources which should show you their importance.
Secondly, restructuring is also about giving states the powers to determine their pace of development. A state that does not have control nor the funds to build seaports, control power supply, control roads leading to into it and the power to control it's natural resouces cannot take full responsibility for its own development cause these are the determinants of development. The states in Nigeria were after the civil war reduced to mere service rendering agencies such as we see in Germany and Australia. They were never meant to be economic bodies. This is actually deliberate as there is a school of federalim that espouses this. So my dear restructuring is needed.

IgboSubmarine:



You haven't brought the main proof


Get the following data


1) What type of non crude oil products are imported through that port.
Is it only machinery or all types
of goods


2) Get a video record of Onne seaport so that we can analyze it with that of Lagos seaports.




Pazienza Maduawuchukwu are my questions unreasonable.?

If no, pls help me to explain to blue3k in a language he can understand.



I just need those two things done

IgboSubmarine:
Blue3k let's make this thread more educational than confrontational in order to help you understand our annoyance with the Nigerian state


So do the following


1) What type of non crude oil products are imported through that port.
Is it only machinery or all types
of goods


2) Get a video record of Onne seaport so that we can analyze it with that of Lagos seaports.

deji17:


It is important to ask states and LG to account for what is currently accruing to them. A state that cannot account for how they spend the tax they currently collect, the allocation they are currently getting plus 13% in some cases, will still not be able to account for 100% resource control.

You take a look at the current revenue allocation to states. States like Delta, Bayelsa , Rivers states etc ought to reflect in their citizens standard of living and IGR. A state like Bayelsa with small population are owing upward of 6 months salary.
What do you say of situations where states that are owing many months of salary collected Paris club refund and then convert them to personal use? Corruption is the reason why such states are seriously lagging behind. Corruption can be liken to someone fetching water with a basket. Nothing can be retained. More money, just means more loots, irrespective of the level of Govt.
We have states already taking advantage of the current situation by investing in Agriculture and other means of generating IGR. States like Kebbi, Kaduna and Lagos..

And if we are to be honest with ourselves, most South East states cannot survive without Federal allocation and nothing stops them from raising their current IGR's even within the existing system

pazienza:



I wanted to descend on you now and reformat your brain, but on a second thought, I decided to give you a benefit of doubt.

Do you mind explaining to me what you mean by these parts of your rambling :

1. "Igbos are greedy".

2. Egbema and Oguta in Imo state dissociating from Igbos.

mesoprogress:

I prefer when people are not delusional.

1. I 've been played at Onitsha, sold substandard products to me. Boys just arrange and obtain from you.
These are Igbo on Igbo crime. Later called the guy on phone and let him know I know what he did. How do you define greed? Our people, will resort to anything to make money and live fake life - drugs, fake stuff. They do all manner of things. See what happened at Ozubulu recently?
2. I'm from Imo, in fact we live close to these Oguta /Egbema people. They are full Igbos but want to join their brothers in Rivers. In fact, they are now saying they are not completely Igbo. It's called oil curse. They are my neighbors and friends. In fact my trusted and loyal worker is from Egbema. We speak Igbo together but refers us as Igbos. What do you think of that?

While Yorubas in Kwara and Kofi wants to rejoin their kins, ours in Delta, Rivers, Edo(Igbanke) are dissociating themselves.

Biafra cannot work now. It may work later. We do not have love. Just like when I warned ppl about mmm. Biafra is a mirage, at least for now

pazienza:


I hate stupid people.

I had been played by a Yoruba man in Ondo before, I worked for him, and he refused to pay me, not just only me, but the other workers who worked for him, they were Yorubas as well, meanwhile this man was busy spending our money on frivolities and his personal pleasures.

Have you heard about Oyeanusi, Dammy crane? That's what I'm talking about. They do all manner of things to make money. A suspected drug baron is their political leader for crying out loud.
Have you ever heard them come online to cry about that? No! Because wisdom demands so.
Ikpo akwa gi nkilika, akpatobi enwele ya mee rag.
Stop being stupid, it doesn't look good on you.
The word "wayo" is not an Igbo word.



2. You can be from the moon if you like, no one cares. I have friends from Oguta, Izombe and Awa in Oguta LGA of imo, I have been to Izombe before, they don't deny their Igbo identity.
I am a member of Ohaji/Egbema facebook page and I do read proceedings there, they are Proud Igbo people.
Only you know the trash you are talking about.

Yorubas in Kwara are not really interested in joining those in SW, the likes of Saraki are claiming Fulani descent. They are denying Yorubas as well.

Nigeria never worked in the past, it cost us 3million souls and continue to cost us more, it is not currently working , and it won't work in the future.

Igbos don't love themselves you say, yet Nigerians accuse Igbos of tribalism, of loving ourselves only. Okonjo was accused of running an Igbo agenda, Rose Uzoma was sacked for allegedly filling her ministry with Igbos, Stella was accused of doing the same in Aviation industry, so much for a group of people that hate themselves.
It's only amongst the Igbo that once one person is allowed to settle in a place, he would go home and bring more of his people to exploit the opportunities in his new found environment. He would go to village and take up a boy from poor background and make a rich man out of him in few years time.
Today, Nigerian government is budgeting billions for NE reconstruction, how much was budgeted for SE reconstruction after the war? Was it not through various town union development programs that we all rebuilt our war torn towns without external help?
How did we build Owerri airport? Was it not by communal efforts?

One minute, Igbos are accused of hating themselves, the next they are accused of loving only themselves and hating others, morons can't make up their minds, and it's even more annoying when an Igbo with brain but that have refused to use them is repeating same Igbophobic platitudes.

Nigeria is a failed colonial entity, for now and for the future.
It's never going to work.
The earlier you get this into your skull, the better for you.

IgboSubmarine:



Counter my points with facts

Stop running away from confronting the truth in your face


Take away the seaports airports in Lagos and put them in the East and watch Lagos fall due to the absence of these things


The problem with Yoruba guys like you is the hatred for truth. That is why you guys aren't making it despite attending churches and mosques everyday.


Have you ever question why everyone imports through Lagos.?


Have you ever question the rationale behind it.?


Have you ever asked that seaports airports in other regions be opened.?



That is why you guys hardly make it in the Lagos you claim


God hates people who aren't honest and truthful.

Curlieweed:


Thanks bro,

I don't get upset when outside ndi ilo na ndi uta screech their usual nonsense. I just consider it human nature.

However, what really gets my goat is when clowns of very doubtful parentage claiming Igbo, hide behind that cover to cast aspersions on their supposed ethnic group.

If an imbec1le is greedy, it shouldn't generalize by blaming his personal curse on an entire ethnic group that has nothing to do with his personal predicament.

deji17:


After providing datas to prove to you that Onne Port is being utilized, you are asking for proof in videos. After that, you will ask us to wax a record and sing about it to prove to you.
These are pictures from the port at PH/Onne. Just like the International Airport in Enugu, there is nothing stopping Igbos from using it if they wanted to . The success of Lagos and the West is much more deeper than having just a seaport. That is why many industries are situated in SW. What many of you don't even know is that the port in Lagos is very small compared to what Nigeria actually needs, and less than half of foreign products in the country come through Lagos. Some come from Cotonou, Lome and Tema ports in Benin, Togo and Ghana, yet Lagos is not doing badly.

Use PH/Onne port Ndigbo. It is working and functioning just fine.

Blue3k:


Your questions are daft. Your showing your parents wasted money sending you to school asking that sort of asking. Again stop looking for reinforcements they're not going to invole themselves in your nonsense child.

1.) Is machinery liquid bulk? General cargo is what? Dry bulk is what? How exactly did an ignorant guy like you start an argument without know these definitions is funny. It's obviously all types of goods.

2.) I'm not giving you a video. If you have proof that disproves NPA stats bring it. You've offered nothing but wailing sentiments.

3.) Read the definitions offered by NPA so you won't ask me dumb questions. If you can't see this covers consumer goods, capital goods, raw materials and miscellaneous goods you're delusional. You should already know what allowed to come in and out. You claimed it's not functional after all.

IgboSubmarine:



I said video and not pictures that could be altered.


Go get a video of the port

IgboSubmarine:



Your post without a video evidence is pure nonsense


I don't believe anything outside video because Nigerians love to lie like Lia Mohammed.

IgboSubmarine:

God hates people who aren't honest and truthful.

Blue3k:


Lol live in delusion then. Nobody going to get you videos find them yourself. You done nothing but wailing like child you are. Remember God doesn't like hypocrites like yourself.

deji17:


That guy is mentally retarded. His like populate this nairaland unfortunately. People with victim mentality and persecution complex. No amount of evidence to the contrary to what they believe, bias and stereotype will convince them otherwise. One is best to leave them to their delusion

Blue3k:


I'm making the thread currently I'm going to watch his brothers wail. I just don't feel like screen shotting berth characteristics since it's a chore. Lol I'm just laughing about fact he doesn't know anything about topic he's arguing about. He thought Pazienza Maduawuchukwu can save him. Neither even dared to jump in this slaughter.

Ps: Who films port operations anyway. It's the most boring thing to watch. It's literary loading and unloading of containers on ships. Then it's taken and cleared in wearhouse. Then moved to its final destination.

Maduawuchukwu:


The fact that the south-south seaports are not as ideal as those in Lagos is not in doubt. What we are not certain about is why. Shippers have given different ranging from I being an inland port which makes it costlier, causes damage to ships etc. [s]For you to say that there is no problem with the Port and that people are not just using it is dishonest. [/s]The port-harcourt ports ports used for crude oil dealings mainly whether machinery or whatever. Those who deal in this oil use it because of proximity; there is no other way, and because they are very buoyant and can bare the extra cost without feeling anything. Dangote who also uses Calabar port is an extremely wealthy man who can afford these logistical costs and whichever secrets he uses. The main issue here is why will most people who have the Eastern Coast as the destination of their products use the Lagos ports? Saying that there is reason for it is like saying that there is no reason why people now use Benin Republic seaport nowadays for Nigerian bound goods.

Blue3k:


are you going to keep crying? Dude check my profile I don't stay in the west. Onne is functional by Nigerian standards. Apapa not functional honestly. They all suck hence why importers went to neighboring countries and moved vehicles through land borders. The can't clear anything in reasonable time or charge demurrage.

Blue3k:


Lol you Decided to jump in slaughter. Did I say there's nothing wrong with ports stop lying. The Lagos ports being better probably because it's deeper. Stop crying in terms of non oil tonnage Onne port is higher than so called functional ports. Nobody makes you ship through Lagos. Is this the best you can do pathetic.

Maduawuchukwu:


The problems of Port-hacourt ports make people not to prefer shipping through it. Nobody has ever faulted this point not even the experts. Or must one be physically stopped from using Port Harcourt ports before we say there is a problem?

Blue3k:


Tell me what's stopping you or your just wailing. Why are the non oil exports higher at Onne explain that. Give concrete law, regulations or example. Stop these vague platitudes.