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butterflylion:
Your comment below. E be like say you don forget am so quickly


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We dropped our faith at your request and now you are jumping on the faith wagon. Your confusion get horn.

ogbeni do my practical. You are arguing for god and say you dropped your faith just to score cheap point

hahn:
That's a start. It also doesn't do anything about the 3,000 children that die daily from malaria daily



If this god does exist, it deserves to be flayed

Here we go! Back to the "God does not exist because of the evils on the earth argument ". Sigh!

butterflylion:
You are the one who insisted on having facts and begged that we drop our faith so we logically and with open minds view your facts. We did ooo. But now you refuse showing us your facts but insist on seeing our faith. This is nothing but confusion raised to power infinity.

Gbam !!!

KingEbukasBlog:
Prove it !

Early gods were a progression from animism. Animism is the belief that attributes spirits to animate (humans & animals) and inanimate objects (trees, clouds, the Sun, the moon, etc.).[1]


As society progressed from hunter-gatherer societies into larger communities, law had to be instituted due to reduced familiarity of the people. These were given through the combined effort of the political and religious leaders. Hence, certain actions were said to have divine repercussions.[2]


The monotheistic 'God', evolved from the amalgamation of the attributes of different gods. The ancient Jews brought attributes of El, Baal and a host out others into Yahweh. Evidence that Judaism came from polytheism can be seen in early Genesis where God says 'let is make man in our own image', also where God consults among the heavenly what to do during the Tower of Babel saga. As Judaism progressed to become monotheistic, this phrasing was never used again.[3]

Citations: Robert Wright, The Evolution of God (2009) [1] Chapter One [2] Chapter Two - Three [3] Chapter Five - Six

chemystery:
ogbeni do my practical. You are arguing for god and say you dropped your faith just to score cheap point

In fact it is proven that you are a waste of time. Facts wey you say you get, one we no see. Abeg shift!

butterflylion:
Here we go! Back to the "God does not exist because of the evils on the earth argument ". Sigh!

Sorry, which god are we talking about?

butterflylion:
Here we go! Back to the "God does not exist because of the evils on the earth argument ". Sigh!

Evil actually points to the existence of God . Evil is the departure from good and God is the epitome of moral goodness . Without God , there wont be a foundation for calling anything evil .

hahn:
Sorry, which god are we talking about?

The "It"

Ermacc:
The "It"

Identify it in the picture below

CoolUsername:
Early gods were a progression from animism. Animism is the belief that attributes spirits to animate (humans & animals) and inanimate objects (trees, clouds, the Sun, the moon, etc.).[1]


As society progressed from hunter-gatherer societies into larger communities, law had to be instituted due to reduced familiarity of the people. These were given through the combined effort of the political and religious leaders. Hence, certain actions were said to have divine repercussions.[2]


The monotheistic 'God', evolved from the amalgamation of the attributes of different gods. The ancient Jews brought attributes of El, Baal and a host out others into Yahweh. Evidence that Judaism came from polytheism can be seen in early Genesis where God says 'let is make man in our own image', also where God consults among the heavenly what to do during the Tower of Babel saga. As Judaism progressed to become monotheistic, this phrasing was never used again.[3]

Citations: Robert Wright, The Evolution of God (2009) [1] Chapter One [2] Chapter Two - Three [3] Chapter Five - Six

Going by this and I can firmly prove God's existence by quoting this

In the beginning , God created Heaven and earth

Citation : The Bible (Genesis 1 :1 )

KingEbukasBlog:
I answered your question : since non existence cannot be proven , then provide reasons why you think there is no God

Oh you did , you claimed that God is a fictional character created by ancient tribes men

Can you provide evidence including pictures and names of these ancient tribes that created the fictional character 'God' . Also include date , place and time this event took place

At least we know we can do so for Superman , can't we ?

Now that I've put my write-up about the how the God idea got started. It's your turn to start disproving Superman!!

Can't wait.

CoolUsername:
Early gods were a progression from animism. Animism is the belief that attributes spirits to animate (humans & animals) and inanimate objects (trees, clouds, the Sun, the moon, etc.).[1]


As society progressed from hunter-gatherer societies into larger communities, law had to be instituted due to reduced familiarity of the people. These were given through the combined effort of the political and religious leaders. Hence, certain actions were said to have divine repercussions.[2]


The monotheistic 'God', evolved from the amalgamation of the attributes of different gods. The ancient Jews brought attributes of El, Baal and a host out others into Yahweh. Evidence that Judaism came from polytheism can be seen in early Genesis where God says 'let is make man in our own image', also where God consults among the heavenly what to do during the Tower of Babel saga. As Judaism progressed to become monotheistic, this phrasing was never used again.[3]

Citations: Robert Wright, The Evolution of God (2009) [1] Chapter One [2] Chapter Two - Three [3] Chapter Five - Six

Robert Wright who wrote the evolution of God has declared that comment of yours above as grossly misrepresented. Oya take and read.

http://evolutionofgod.net/coyne

Oh and by the way Robert Wright believes in intelligent design.

CoolUsername:
Now that I've put my write-up about the how the God idea got started. It's your turn to start disproving Superman!!

Can't wait.

You mean you put up your poorly researched copy and paste from Robert Wright who himself said his book was taken out of context?

hahn:
Identify it in the picture below

hahn:
it You forgot it

God is a thing, an idea a figment of theists imagination. It doesn't exist

You called it an Idea, why the waste site?

KingEbukasBlog:
Going by this and I can firmly prove God's existence by quoting this

In the beginning , God created Heaven and earth

Citation : The Bible (Genesis 1 :1 )

But the Bible clearly makes false statements. The universe wasn't created in six days, there was no global food, The Exodus never happened.

That's like citing Action Comics #1 and saying that Superman exists.

I knew your knowledge was no match for mine in this respect.

Ermacc:
You called it an Idea, why the waste site?

because it is a trashy idea

CoolUsername:
But the Bible clearly makes false statements. The universe wasn't created in six days, there was no global food, The Exodus never happened.

That's like citing Action Comics #1 and saying that Superman exists.

I knew your knowledge was no match for mine in this respect.

If you say the Bible makes false statements this means you must have the true statements of how the universe was created and how long it took. Also you must have counter evidence to the flood and counter evidence to the exodus.

Can we see them?

butterflylion:
Robert Wright who wrote the evolution of God has declared that comment of yours above as grossly misrepresented. Oya take and read.

http://evolutionofgod.net/coyne

Oh and by the way Robert Wright believes in intelligent design.

Point 1: Can you quote where he said that? I'm not seeing it.

Point 2: Quoting from the webpage:

In other words, if there’s a God involved, it’s a God of a deistic sort, who set the whole system, including natural selection, in motion and then kept his paws off. The process would be “guided” by God, and “driven” by God, in the sense that every Ford is “guided” and “driven” by Henry Ford. Moreover, I’m agnostic on the question of whether there’s even a deistic sort of God. But, you may ask, if I’m agnostic, then how can Coyne quote me saying things like this: “God was so wise that he set up a world in which the rational pursuit of self-interest leads people to wisdom.”?

How can an agnostic believe in intelligent design?

CoolUsername:
But the Bible clearly makes false statements. The universe wasn't created in six days, there was no global food, The Exodus never happened.

Please can you provide evidence that ancient tribes men created the God and not quotes from a book . I need to see pictures of these tribes men , their names , the date and time of this event . I'm being patient here .

If you insist what you quoted is true , then I can insist the bible is true . Since the creation story , the flood and Exodus can be taken as allegories.

You are no match son . Take your "L" and depart in peace

CoolUsername:
Point 1: Can you quote where he said that? I'm not seeing it.

Point 2: Quoting from the webpage:

In other words, if there’s a God involved, it’s a God of a deistic sort, who set the whole system, including natural selection, in motion and then kept his paws off. The process would be “guided” by God, and “driven” by God, in the sense that every Ford is “guided” and “driven” by Henry Ford. Moreover, I’m agnostic on the question of whether there’s even a deistic sort of God. But, you may ask, if I’m agnostic, then how can Coyne quote me saying things like this: “God was so wise that he set up a world in which the rational pursuit of self-interest leads people to wisdom.”?

How can an agnostic believe in intelligent design?

Do you see how ignorant you are? So an agnostic cannot believe in intelligent design? Atheism is simply a rejection of deification. They can believe in anything else!

This is from the wiki page you lifted his comment about the origin of God

Wright has a strictly materialist conception of natural selection; however, he does not deny the possibility of some larger purpose unfolding, that natural selection could itself be the product of design.

That's from his wiki page.

Design by chance or deliberate design for purpose which his statement clearly says it's for purpose. Does chance create purpose ?

We are still waiting for the evidence you have about those who originated the God concept. Me I can do without pictures.

butterflylion:
If you say the Bible makes false statements this means you must have the true statements of how the universe was created and how long it took. Also you must have counter evidence to the flood and counter evidence to the exodus.

Can we see them?

Age of earth
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Earth?_e_pi_=7%2CPAGE_ID10%2C2615462069

Historicity of the Flood (click on the historicity link)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genesis_flood_narrative?_e_pi_=7%2CPAGE_ID10%2C4906237335

Historicity of Exodus (click on the historicity link)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Exodus#Historicity?_e_pi_=7%2CPAGE_ID10%2C6051660724

CoolUsername:
Point 1: Can you quote where he said that? I'm not seeing it.

Point 2: Quoting from the webpage:

In other words, if there’s a God involved, it’s a God of a deistic sort, who set the whole system, including natural selection, in motion and then kept his paws off. The process would be “guided” by God, and “driven” by God, in the sense that every Ford is “guided” and “driven” by Henry Ford. Moreover, I’m agnostic on the question of whether there’s even a deistic sort of God. But, you may ask, if I’m agnostic, then how can Coyne quote me saying things like this: “God was so wise that he set up a world in which the rational pursuit of self-interest leads people to wisdom.”?

How can an agnostic believe in intelligent design?

He finally admits that he is confused.

CoolUsername:
Point 1: Can you quote where he said that? I'm not seeing it.

Point 2: Quoting from the webpage:

In other words, if there’s a God involved, it’s a God of a deistic sort, who set the whole system, including natural selection, in motion and then kept his paws off. The process would be “guided” by God, and “driven” by God, in the sense that every Ford is “guided” and “driven” by Henry Ford. Moreover, I’m agnostic on the question of whether there’s even a deistic sort of God. But, you may ask, if I’m agnostic, then how can Coyne quote me saying things like this: “God was so wise that he set up a world in which the rational pursuit of self-interest leads people to wisdom.”?

How can an agnostic believe in intelligent design?

Creationism is biblical! Intelligent design is agnostic! I hope you can spot the difference.

CoolUsername:
Age of earth
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Earth?_e_pi_=7%2CPAGE_ID10%2C2615462069

Historicity of the Flood (click on the historicity link)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genesis_flood_narrative?_e_pi_=7%2CPAGE_ID10%2C4906237335

Historicity of Exodus (click on the historicity link)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Exodus#Historicity?_e_pi_=7%2CPAGE_ID10%2C6051660724

You keep making the same mistakes. You accuse theists of solely believing the written words found in the bible and here you are solely believing the written words found on Wikipedia.

butterflylion:
Do you see how ignorant you are? So an agnostic cannot believe in intelligent design? Atheism is simply a rejection of deification. They can believe in anything else!

This is from the wiki page you lifted his comment about the origin of God

Wright has a strictly materialist conception of natural selection; however, he does not deny the possibility of some larger purpose unfolding, that natural selection could itself be the product of design.

That's from his wiki page.

Design by chance or deliberate design for purpose which his statement clearly says it's for purpose. Does chance create purpose ?

We are still waiting for the evidence you have about those who originated the God concept. Me I can do without pictures.

The link says he has a materialist view of natural selection. He believes that design is a possibility. How does that make him an intelligent design proponent? Do you know what 'materialism' even means.

It's basic reading comprehension.

I won't be wasting my time replying the likes of you.

butterflylion:
You keep making the same mistakes. You accuse theists of solely believing the written words found in the bible and here you are solely believing the written words found on Wikipedia.

Thats why I said he is confused.

CoolUsername:
The link says he has a materialist view of natural selection. He believes that design is a possibility. How does that make him an intelligent design proponent? Do you know what 'materialism' even means.

It's basic reading comprehension.

I won't be wasting my time replying the likes of you.

I think the one with basic reading comprehension is you ogbeni. Do not cherry pick my comments. Put them all together.

I will speak like Chemystery did.... Read with an open mind and logically!

butterflylion:
You keep making the same mistakes. You accuse theists of solely believing the written words found in the bible and here you are solely believing the written words found on Wikipedia.

Childish comparison really, Wikipedia cites reliable sources that are in agreement with different independent studies in each case.

butterflylion:
You keep making the same mistakes. You accuse theists of solely believing the written words found in the bible and here you are solely believing the written words found on Wikipedia.

Shoots himself on the foot every damn time , its a comedy show

KingEbukasBlog:
Please can you provide evidence that ancient tribes men created the God and not quotes from a book . I need to see pictures of these tribes men , their names , the date and time of this event . I'm being patient here .

If you insist what you quoted is true , then I can insist the bible is true . Since the creation story , the flood and Exodus can be taken as allegories.

You are no match son . Take your "L" and depart in peace

Show me the pictures of Superman being invented. I've shown a reasonable amount of evidence while you've done nothing but blow steam.

It's obvious that your belief is based on faith rather than logic.

By calling the flood and exodus allegories, then we can say that the Bible is a lie. Since it makes no effort to make that clear.

CoolUsername:
Childish comparison really, Wikipedia cites reliable sources that are in agreement with different independent studies in each case.

Wikipedia in agreement? Do you also realise that Wikipedia is also in agreement with studies that refute those you hold dear? Wikipedia is for everybody and for nobody (according to our able Presido)

butterflylion:
Wikipedia in agreement? Do you also realise that Wikipedia is also in agreement with studies that refute those you hold dear? Wikipedia is for everybody and for nobody (according to our able Presido)

I told you that comprehension is your problem, didn't I?

I said that Wikipedia CITES SOURCES that are in agreement with different independent studies performed in each case.