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CoolUsername:
Show me the pictures of Superman being invented. I've shown a reasonable amount of evidence while you've done nothing but blow steam.

It's obvious that your belief is based on faith rather than logic.

I swear down you no get okpolo at all. Superman has history which can be traced to his originator even up to the day and time the idea popped into his head and Kingebukasblog has offered you some of that history. You on the other hand said you have evidence that God was an imagination cooked up by men and we are simply asking for this evidence and you are showing us Wikipedia.

Lmao

You even said your evidence is reasonable! Lwtmb.

CoolUsername:
I told you that comprehension is your problem, didn't I?

I said that Wikipedia CITES SOURCES that are in agreement with different independent studies performed in each case.

Again you lack comprehension. Wikipedia also CITES SOURCES that are in disagreement with your different independent studies performed in each case. I repeat, WIKIPEDIA IS FOR EVERYBODY AND FOR NOBODY!

donate your brain ogbeni. You are not utilising it well.

butterflylion:
I swear down you no get okpolo at all. Superman has history which can be traced to his originator even up to the day and time the idea popped into his head and Kingebukasblog has offered you some of that history. You on the other hand said you have evidence that God was an imagination cooked up by men and we are simply asking for this evidence and you are showing us Wikipedia.

Lmao

Show me the time the idea popped into his creator's head.

butterflylion:
Again you lack comprehension. Wikipedia also CITES SOURCES that are in disagreement with your different independent studies performed in each case. I repeat, WIKIPEDIA IS FOR EVERYBODY AND FOR NOBODY!

donate your brain ogbeni. You are not utilising it well.

Where are those sources?

CoolUsername:
Show me the time the idea popped into his creator's head.

Chai! This is the lowest level of rational thinking I have ever witnessed.

Jerry Siegel originated the superman idea while Tossing and turning in bed one night in 1934. Surely you should be able to realise that once the originator of the Superman idea has been identified then all other details required would fall in place.

Show us your own discovery of who invented the God idea. Shikena.

CoolUsername:
Where are those sources?

E be like say you never sabi Wetin Wikipedia be and why it was created.

butterflylion:
Chai! This is the lowest level of rational thinking I have ever witnessed.

Jerry Siegel originated the superman idea while Tossing and turning in bed one night in 1934. Surely you should be able to realise that once the originator of the Superman idea has been identified then all other details required would fall in place.

Show us your own discovery of who invented the God idea. Shikena.

No, he said that. There have been ideas of superpowered men existing through history. Superman is just a modernized version. The way Islam shows us a version of God.

butterflylion:
E be like say you never sabi Wetin Wikipedia be and why it was created.

The biases of Wikipedia are mostly kept minimal due to its large and active community. This is especially so in OBJECTIVE articles on science and history.

CoolUsername:
No, he said that. There have been ideas of superpowered men existing through history. Superman is just a modernized version. The way Islam shows us a version of God.

Abeg shut up and go and sleep with your red herring. Here you are talking about SUPERMAN and when facts are given you, you suddenly shift to SUPERMEN and ideas of SUPERMEN or SUPERPOWERED men. Was it SUPERPOWERED men you talked about or SUPERMAN?

Even kingebukasblog responded by telling you Jerry Siegel originated the idea and you never said anything about that not being your original intent but when I slapped you with fact you suddenly shift goal posts.

You are dishonest and are not worth the time of any reasonable person in an argument. Goodnight!

butterflylion:
Abeg shut up and go and sleep with your red herring. Here you are talking about SUPERMAN and when facts are given you, you suddenly shift to SUPERMEN and ideas of SUPERMEN or SUPERPOWERED men. Was it SUPERPOWERED men you talked about or SUPERMAN?

Even kingebukasblog responded by telling you Jerry Siegel originated the idea and you never said anything about that not being your original intent but when I slapped you with fact you suddenly shift goal posts.

You are dishonest and are not worth the time of any reasonable person in an argument. Goodnight!

Now you exact what it's like to argue against Christians who then shift to deistic idea of God.

This has been a nice thought experiment. I simply flipped the script on theists today and they all ragequit.

If you can say God exists outside time and space. Why can't you believe that Superman existed long before Jerry Siegel decided to put his history into writing the same way Bible stories were written a long time after the fact?

You theists on Nairaland lack self-awareness to the extent that you couldn't see that I was completely mirroring your common arguments.

They all ragequit. Priceless!

CoolUsername:
Now you exact what it's like to argue against Christians who then shift to deistic idea of God.

This has been a nice thought experiment. I simply flipped the script on theists today and they all ragequit.

If you can say God exists outside time and space. Why can't you believe that Superman existed long before Jerry Siegel decided to put his history into writing the same way Bible stories were written a long time after the fact?

You theists on Nairaland lack self-awareness to the extent that you couldn't see that I was completely mirroring your common arguments.

They all ragequit. Priceless!

Guy, allow small shame to rest on you...
Show some honour

They caught u and u claim you flipped script....

Haba!
Superman to "Superpowered men"
Take it easy.......

Butterflylion and KingEbukasblog, Ermacc
Well-done

KingEbukasBlog:
You don't seem intelligent to me . I'm sorry

Does what he seems like to you matter? Do you feed or fvck him? You are only a text in cyberspace

FOH!


ki ki ki

1Sharon:
Does what he seems like to you matter? Do you feed or fvck him? You are only a text in cyberspace

FOH!


ki ki ki

KingEbukasblog,
Thiz one looks like one of those hurry hurry monikers

Reminds me of one lepa something

KingEbukasBlog:
I don't know what Christian god is . As a theist , I deify the First Cause/Necessary being/Sustainer and Container of all realities ( a conscious being ) , as a Christian I believe this conscious being revealed Himself to us in the person of Jesus whom according to history lived , died and resurrected .

Where are the historical evidence that Jesus lived, died and ressurected?

felixomor:
KingEbukasblog,
Thiz one looks like one of those hurry hurry monikers

Reminds me of one lepa something

Na lepasharon be that na

dalaman:
Where are the historical evidence that Jesus lived, died and ressurected?

Sir D , how far

KingEbukasBlog:
Sir D , how far

I dey. Where is the historical evidence that Jesus lived died and ressurected?

chemystery:
KingEbukasBlog, butterflylion, Ermacc

OK, I want to prove now your god doesn't exist.

We'll make this practical cos talk is cheap. I will give you a practical task, while you give me a practical task.

But I will use the same method used by Elijah in your bible to prove Baal does not exist.

First, one of the proof of your god's existence is through miracles and answered prayers.

TASK
I really don't want to be an atheist again. Can you both just pray to your god. The god that hardened pharaohs heart. The god that answers by fire to just do a simple task by converting my heart and maybe every other atheists on nairaland.

RESULT
If by tomorrow, I become a theist again, your god exists. Else, he also exists but in your fantasies.

Start calling your god. Kikikikikikikiki

So what if God exists but decides not to take part in this "test"?

KingEbukasBlog:
Evil actually points to the existence of God . Evil is the departure from good and God is the epitome of moral goodness . Without God , there wont be a foundation for calling anything evil .

You keep repeating this lie. Your God in the bible does evil and repents from it.

Are things good because God says they are or because humans say they are?

Is it right to marry 4 wives? Is it evil to marry 10 year old kids? Why or why not. Remember God has made all these things permissible in his final revealed book the Koran.

KingEbukasBlog:
How many times have I given examples of people who thought they could disprove the existence of GOd


Stephen Hawking : There is no God because the universe created itself because there is a law such as gravity

Rebuttal One : A thing cannot create itself

Rebuttal Two : Laws do not create anything , they are merely descriptions of what happens under certain conditions

David Hume : The universe is a necessary being since it is eternal , there is no God ( medieval age )

Rebuttal One : All scientific evidence indicate the universe has a beginning , there is no evidence or indication that the universe is eternal .

Rebuttal Two : An eternal universe though there is no such thing does not preclude the existence of God , it renders God impersonal if such exists .


If you can't provide "evidence" or reason there is no God like these people have done then don't bother .

God is defined as the creator of the universe. An eternal universe can not be created. Thus, no God.

NairalandSARS:
So what if God exists but decides not to take part in this "test"?

there's a big difference between a god that exists and a god that wants people to know he exists, the difference is massive and we should not make the mistake of conflating the two

let's say I get home from an outing and neighbors said someone came to ask of me, I would be like "okay, who was this person?", they then wax lyrical about him and say he gave them $1M each, I then ask where their $1M is and they start giving excuses about me needing faith to see the money or I should believe he gave them the $1M before I can see the money

I would from then on not only doubt the visitor gave them any money but also doubt there was any visitor at all, I might think they're using the fact that I wasn't at home (gap in my knowledge) to make claims about what happened while I was not at home!

the god Christians talk about does not only exist, it is omniscient omnipotent omnipresent and omnibelevolent, if these properties were true we would all know of its existence, it wouldn't even be up for debate and the more we debate the existence of a god with these properties the more those arguing for him prove its nonexistence, this phenomena is not to be conflated with "backfire effect" cuz its definitely not, let's look at how arguing for this god proves its absolute nonexistence

1 omnipresent god is everywhere and with atheists, desists, agnostics etc right now

2 omniscient god knows what to do to convince them of his existence

3 omnipotent god can do that thing to convince them

4 a benevolent god would want to convince them

as we can see, such a god would not even require arguments at all for its existence if those properties are true, the fact that a god like that needs humans to tell us about him/her/it proves that such a god was created by man and not the other way around

what we have when Christians are challenged about the existence of their god is they quickly dump that god, excluding those claims and run under the cover of some "first cause" without any claim which relies on gaps in knowledge instead or ask us to have faith first ala my hypothetical neighbours

KingEbukasBlog:
Na lepasharon be that na

Lol

hopefulLandlord:
there's a big difference between a god that exists and a god that wants people to know he exists, the difference is massive and we should not make the mistake of conflating the two

let's say I get home from an outing and neighbors said someone came to ask of me, I would be like "okay, who was this person?", they then wax lyrical about him and say he gave them $1M each, I then ask where their $1M is and they start giving excuses about me needing faith to see the money or I should believe he gave them the $1M before I can see the money

I would from then on not only doubt the visitor gave them any money but also doubt there was any visitor at all, I might think they're using the fact that I wasn't at home (gap in my knowledge) to make claims about what happened while I was not at home!

the god Christians talk about does not only exist, it is omniscient omnipotent omnipresent and omnibelevolent, if these properties were true we would all know of its existence, it wouldn't even be up for debate and the more we debate the existence of a god with these properties the more those arguing for him prove its nonexistence, this phenomena is not to be conflated with "backfire effect" cuz its definitely not, let's look at how arguing for this god proves its absolute nonexistence

1 omnipresent god is everywhere and with atheists, desists, agnostics etc right now

2 omniscient god knows what to do to convince them of his existence

3 omnipotent god can do that thing to convince them

4 a benevolent god would want to convince them

as we can see, such a god would not even require arguments at all for its existence if those properties are true, the fact that a god like that needs humans to tell us about him/her/it proves that such a god was created by man and not the other way around

what we have when Christians are challenged about the existence of their god are they quickly dumping that god, excluding those claims and running under the cover of some "first cause" without any claim which relies on gaps in knowledge instead or ask us to have faith first ala my hypothetical neighbours

Case closed. Imagine an omnipotent God that wants to be in a personal relationship with humans but still relies on very incompetent humans to deliver his message for him.

NairalandSARS:
God is defined as the creator of the universe. An eternal universe can not be created. Thus, no God.

Abstract objects are uncreated but it does not mean God does not exist .

If the universe coexists with God from past infinitude , then God can end the existence of the universe as a way of expressing Its freedom of will

But there is no reason to assume there is an eternal universe , what if there are so many other universes or realities? Are they all eternal too or just this universe?

dalaman:
You keep repeating this lie. Your God in the bible does evil and repents from it.

You keep repeating this nonsense . I have explained what it means . There is no Christian that even believes God does evil and repent from it . Only atheists . It shows who is making stuff up

Are things good because God says they are or because humans say they are?

Is it right to marry 4 wives? Is it evil to marry 10 year old kids? Why or why not. Remember God has made all these things permissible in his final revealed book the Koran.

As an atheist ,where is your foundation for morality ?

For the last time , understand the moral argument for the existence of God .

1. If objective moral values and duties God does not exist , God does not exist

2. Objective moral values and duties exist

3. Therefore , God exists .

Now if you still don't understand what objective moral values and duties are , don't bother responding .

KingEbukasBlog:
Abstract objects are uncreated but it does not mean God does not exist .

If the universe coexists with God from past infinitude , then God can end the existence of the universe as a way of expressing Its freedom of will

But there is no reason to assume there is an eternal universe , what if there are so many other universes or realities? Are they all eternal too or just this universe?

Here we go again with the Creatio ex materia theory again.
I've asked you for your proof of this and all you could come up with was an argument from incredulity by John Lennox

CatfishBilly:
Here we go again with the Creatio ex materia theory again.
I've asked you for your proof of this and all you could come up with was an argument from incredulity by John Lennox

There is no imaginary eternal universe ,no evidence to support it, it is fantasy . So what proof should I bring ?

dalaman:
Case closed. Imagine an omnipotent God that wants to be in a personal relationship with humans but still relies on very incompetent humans to deliver his message for him.

What did Jesus Christ (God Himself ) do Isn't it telling humans that he wants a personal relationship with them ?

KingEbukasBlog:
There is no imaginary eternal universe ,no evidence to support it, it is fantasy . So what proof should I bring ?

Aguirre's model in 2002 supports it.
I've told you, if there's a rebuttal to a scientific paper, it is another scientific paper, not a backhand comment by a rival.
If you're so sure that no eternal model of the universe is plausible, where are the papers supporting it?
This is science, not theology or philosophy.

CatfishBilly:
Aguirre's model in 2002 supports it.
I've told you, if there's a rebuttal to a scientific paper, it is another scientific paper, not a backhand comment by a rival.
If you're so sure that no eternal model of the universe is plausible, where are the papers supporting it?
This is science, not theology or philosophy.

Where is the evidence that supports Aguirre's model ? Do you know what evidence is ?

The model is not the evidence oo

KingEbukasBlog:
Where is the evidence that supports Aguirre's model ? Do you know what evidence is ?

The model is not the evidence oo

Now you're trolling.

At least we've been able to establish one thing. You have no evidence whatsoever for your Creatio ex materia bullshit.

Read Aguirre A and Gratton S (2002). Steady-state eternal inflation.
It contains all your answers.