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AbuUthaymeen:
You have been on NL as far back as 5 years or m0re. . . despite series of explanations that sufi aint in islam and series of lectures by salafs. . . . . you are still defending sufi till date.. well, that is your choice... YOU CHOSE TO LIVE A KAFIR LIFE AND DIE A KAFIR... THATS WHAT YOU CHOSE..

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AbuUthaymeen:
ABSOLUTELY NO. . . . Because its recognized globally doesnt mean its part of islam

Good. All muslims recognise Quran competetion globally. Why pick on only certain people or as-salatu?. Are all muslim kafir now since we all recognise Quran competition as good deed in islam?.

Wallahi, you are a misguided fellow!

AbuUthaymeen:
You have been on NL as far back as 5 years or m0re. . . despite series of explanations that sufi aint in islam and series of lectures by salafs. . . . . you are still defending sufi till date.. well, that is your choice... YOU CHOSE TO LIVE A KAFIR LIFE AND DIE A KAFIR... THATS WHAT YOU CHOSE..

Mind your choice of words pls.

hadizadeezy:
Mind your choice of words pls.

Whats wrong with my choice of words? that is exactly what rasul said. . . that's exactly what sahabah said. . that is exactly what ALLAH said . . . suratul an'am - 85, 159 . . sahih bukhari - 7084.. Suratul hud - 31-32 .. suratul sura - 13 . . .Sahih bukhari 1401

Empiree:
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Good. All muslims recognise Quran competetion globally. Why pick on only certain people or as-salatu?. Are all muslim kafir now since we all recognise Quran competition as good deed in islam?.

Wallahi, you are a misguided fellow!

See your life,despite tons of explanation on how people becomes a kafir and its conditions."u still do not understand" ..n0t every muslims supports quran competition( salafs didnt because rasul and sahabahs didnt do it or command it & its innovation" . .asalatu aint the 0nly bida, m0ulid nabiy nko? kaola nko? kubura nko? adiya shehu nko? salatu fathi nko? jalabi nko? turning all quran surahs to book of dua nko? dikr jamah nko? calling ALLAH the names he didnt bare nko? reading dalailu khayrat nko? worshipping and making dua @ grave side nko? worshipping & doing takleed of ur sheiks nk0? doing tawasul with the name of human beings nko? blaspheming ALLAH nko? not believing in hell and jahnah nko? blaspheming rasul nko?5

Empiree:
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Good. All muslims recognise Quran competetion globally. Why pick on only certain people or as-salatu?. Are all muslim kafir now since we all recognise Quran competition as good deed in islam?.

Wallahi, you are a misguided fellow!

A very unfortunate one @ that. He will soon meet he‘s waterloo.

Empiree:
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Good. All muslims recognise Quran competetion globally. Why pick on only certain people or as-salatu?. Are all muslim kafir now since we all recognise Quran competition as good deed in islam?.

Wallahi, you are a misguided fellow!

See your life,despite tons of explanation on how people becomes a kafir and its conditions."u still do not understand" ..n0t every muslims supports quran competition( salafs didnt because rasul and sahabahs didnt do it or command it & its innovation" . .asalatu aint the 0nly bida, m0ulid nabiy nko? kaola nko? kubura nko? adiya shehu nko? salatu fathi nko? jalabi nko? turning all quran surahs to book of dua nko? dikr jamah nko? calling ALLAH the names he didnt bare nko? reading dalailu khayrat nko? worshipping and making dua @ grave side nko? worshipping & doing takleed of ur sheiks nk0? doing tawasul with the name of human beings nko? blaspheming ALLAH nko? not believing in hell and jahnah nko? blaspheming rasul nko?..5

ikupakuti:


A very unfortunate one @ that. He will soon meet he‘s waterloo.

Which waterloo? s0me0ne that f0ll0ws kitab wa sunnah will never face waterloo .. coz its absolutely life guarded by ALLAH

AbuUthaymeen:
See your life,despite tons of explanation on how people becomes a kafir and its conditions."u still do not understand" ..n0t every muslims supports quran competition( salafs didnt because rasul and sahabahs didnt do it or command it & its innovation"

So your big brother salafs (saudis) who championed Quran competetion today are kufar?. Who are the salafs right now in our present world according to you?

[s]asalatu aint the 0nly bida, m0ulid nabiy nko? kaola nko? kubura nko? adiya shehu nko? salatu fathi nko? jalabi nko? turning all quran surahs to book of dua nko? dikr jamah nko? calling ALLAH the names he didnt bare nko? reading dalailu khayrat nko? worshipping and making dua @ grave side nko? worshipping & doing takleed of ur sheiks nk0? doing tawasul with the name of human beings nko? blaspheming ALLAH nko? not believing in hell and jahnah nko? blaspheming rasul nko?..5[/s]

you are still not through with Quran competetion yet and you jumped to other ones

ikupakuti:


A very unfortunate one @ that. He will soon meet he‘s waterloo.

I remember he shied away from bidah of sahaba you mentioned before. Maybe you should iterate to him here bcus he keep screaming "Qur'an and sunnah and following sahaba". His ideology will eventually die in no time.

The rate at which people who know next to nothing about Islam condemn the activities of Muslims especially, when it's congregational, is alarming.
If a deliberately ignorant non-Muslim spew thrash as it is contained in the original post, it can be understood. How do we explain the nonsense coming from arrogant uneducated/half-baked 'muslims' tagging every sincere efforts of ibadah kufur/bid'ah etc.?
Most of you are enemies of Islam thinking you're the true muslims. I hope you all return to ALLAH and pray for guidance and stop labelling those who do not care about your opinion names that can be best used to describe yourselves

Empiree:
I remember he shied away from bidah of sahaba you mentioned before. Maybe you should iterate to him here bcus he keep screaming "Qur'an and sunnah and following sahaba". His ideology will eventually die in no time.

This guy is totally unreasonable. If he were someone with a functioning brain, with all the refutations you, albaqir et al have tabled, he would have been cured.

I think jabata has replaced his brain with a loaf of bread. As nothing seems to be entering!

What baffles me is how his brothers deserted him!

Empiree:
So your big brother salafs (saudis) who championed Quran competetion today are kufar?. Who are the salafs right now in our present world according to you?



you are still not through with Quran competetion yet and you jumped to other ones

ISLAM IS SEPARATE FROM SAUDI ARABIA . . . QURAN AND HADITH IS VERY MUCH INDEPENDENT ON ITS FOLLOWERS, ITS FOLLOWERS ARE DEPENDENT ON QURAN AND HADITH. . . . . Whatsoever saudi does, its a must to be weigh by quran and hadith . . . we (muslims) do n0t take our religi0n fr0m saudi or it citizens but quran and hadith . . . if saudi does what is n0t in quran, 1st thing is to correct them. . .and if they refused, then they become a kafir. . very simple . . u can neves call anybody that doesnt refuse truth or is ign0rant about islam a kafir. . .like i said earlier, kafir does have conditi0ns. . .its in quran ... thats just how it is. ALLAH makes laws the way it pleases HIM. .h

AbuUthaymeen:
ISLAM IS SEPARATE FROM SAUDI ARABIA . . . QURAN AND HADITH IS VERY MUCH INDEPENDENT ON ITS FOLLOWERS, ITS FOLLOWERS ARE DEPENDENT ON QURAN AND HADITH. . . . . Whatsoever saudi does, its a must to be weigh by quran and hadith . . . we (muslims) do n0t take our religi0n fr0m saudi or it citizens but quran and hadith . . . if saudi does what is n0t in quran, 1st thing is to correct them. . .and if they refused, then they become a kafir. . very simple . . u can neves call anybody that doesnt refuse truth or is ign0rant about islam a kafir. . .like i said earlier, kafir does have conditi0ns. . .its in quran ... thats just how it is. ALLAH makes laws the way it pleases HIM. .h

i dont need your khutba. Are they kufar or not?.

Well, i have said all i can . . if you like, follow kitab wa sunnah or die a kafir . . sahih muslim 1401 ..Muslim 5064.. u think your stress and time spent on ibaadah makes it acceptable? absolutely NO. EVERY IBAADAH MUST BE FOR ALLAH AND MUST BE DONE ABSOLUTELY THE WAY RASUL DID IT. . . . . . . SIMPLY QURAN AND SUNNAH. . . . #QWPITS# EITHER YOU FOLLOW QURAN AND SUNNAH or you follow n0thing ....

A MUSLIHM IS TO FOLLOW CONCENSUS OF SAHABAH N0T JUST 0NE SAHABAHS ACT THAT GOES AGAINST WHAT RASUL DID. SAHABAHS CAN MAKE MISTAKES AND WE MUST N0T FOLLOW THEIR MISTAKES . . . SAHABAHS THAT DID BIDA AINT KAFIR COZ THE CONDITIONS OF BEING A KAFIR IS N0T C0MPLETED UP0N THEM . . what you people drag and call sahabahs into bida and kafir matter ..aint ur fault th0ugh.. but those kafir like alaaro, abdulfatai and others

ikupakuti:
I think jabata has replaced his brain with a loaf of bread. As nothing seems to be entering!

that's it.

What baffles me is how his brothers deserted him!

ofc, they can't help it

Empiree:
i dont need your khutba. Are they kufar or not?.

HOW MANY TIMES WILL I SAY IT? o su mi o. . i said it has c0nditi0ns. . .s0me0ne you never kn0w maybe he or she is ign0rant ab0ut what he does and call ibadah. . how can u make takfir of such pers0n? laughing. . i have said it TWICE that making takfir has c0nditi0ns. . . .and u still asking funny questions. . .wahala wa o. . THEY ARE MUSLIMS ASL0NG AS THEY HAVE N0T BEEN SH0WN PROOF THAT WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS WR0NG OR THEY MISUNDERSTOOD OR THEY ARE FORCED. . .BUT IF THEY UNDERST0OD AND STILL GOES AGAINST THE QURAN AND SUNNAH . . then they are kafir

AbuUthaymeen:
HOW MANY TIMES WILL I SAY IT? o su mi o. . i said it has c0nditi0ns. . .s0me0ne you never kn0w maybe he or she is ign0rant ab0ut what he does and call ibadah. . how can u make takfir of such pers0n? laughing. . i have said it TWICE that making takfir has c0nditi0ns. . . .and u still asking funny questions. . .wahala wa o. . THEY ARE MUSLIMS ASL0NG AS THEY HAVE N0T BEEN SH0WN PROOF THAT WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS WR0NG OR THEY MISUNDERSTOOD OR THEY ARE FORCED. . .BUT IF THEY UNDERST0OD AND STILL GOES AGAINST THE QURAN AND SUNNAH . . then they are kafir

You mean those learned shuyukh of yours Bin'az, Uthaymeen, Albani and host of those did not know?. You are funny. You know better than them?

Empiree:
You mean those learned shuyukh of yours Bin'az, Uthaymeen, Albani and host of those did not know?. You are funny. You know better than them?

Laughing hysterically . . n0b0dy kn0ws it all. . uthaymeen correct sahabah(umar) on the issue of making 3 talaq before it can count as 0ne . . our scholar of n0w0aday even c0rrect sahabah(ummu atiya) on the issue of w0men visiting graves. . . . . . . ONLY RASUL CANNOT MAKE MISTAKE IN THE MATTER OF RELIGION BECAUSE ITS THE REVELATION FROM ALLAH.. And ikupati badmouthing jabata. jabata was a sufi. he abandoned sufi coz sufi isnt part of islam n0r it was practised by sahabahs or rasul. he explained why he left sufi, u people heard it and u stil remain in sufi ..its ur l0ss

AbuUthaymeen:
Laughing hysterically . . n0b0dy kn0ws it all. . uthaymeen correct sahabah(umar) on the issue of making 3 talaq before it can count as 0ne . . our scholar of n0w0aday even c0rrect sahabah(ummu atiya) on the issue of w0men visiting graves. . . . . . . ONLY RASUL CANNOT MAKE MISTAKE IN THE MATTER OF RELIGION BECAUSE ITS THE REVELATION FROM ALLAH.. And ikupati badmouthing jabata. jabata was a sufi. he abandoned sufi coz sufi isnt part of islam n0r it was practised by sahabahs or rasul. he explained why he left sufi, u people heard it and u stil remain in sufi ..its ur l0ss

Albaqir, pls come see what we just talked about.

Well, considering hadith of nabi(saw) which you guys are famous for quoting goes like this (paraphrased) 'follow my sunnah and sunnah of my kulafa rashidun', this means that your scholars correcting sahaba is flawed. Besides that, implication of what you just said is that the same sayyidina Umar (ra) whom you guys quote a lot, especially abdelkabir, that he beat a group of people gathering to make dhikr means S. Umar(ra) made mistake on that too. If your salafi scholar can correct sahaba, non-salafi too can. Thats the issue of group dhikr which you claim is bid'a.

See, i will forever find holes in your fake manhaj no matter how you take it.

And which of our salafs that you said to be ign0rant of one or two of islam rules gaan o . . . . iro eyin sufi ti poju ..infact its u people that actually gave salafs m0re pr0blem than any other sect.. jabata, eyin yi n0ni pr0blem e, abu ibeji, eyin ni n0ni, uztaz yussuf in iwo, eyin yi n0ni pr0blem e.. even in NL, eyin yi n0ni.. m0st of salafs pr0blems, pains, death is alm0st up0n u sufi people also . . . sebi u people wanna kill jabata and others. . . unt0p calling you to sunnah .. kini problem yin gaan. . . why cant u leave the falseh0od and face the truth about islam . . Y love falsehood? why stay with all those sufi, shia and other sect thats n0t in islam . . . . . . . . . why must you die a kafir? se dandan ni. .5am ...

AbuUthaymeen:
That sunday prayer is n0t in islam . . they copied christians

What do you mean it is unislamic and Christian like? Apart from the regular five times prayer a day and Juma'at on Fridays, 'Yoruba Muslims' chose to worship Allah specially on Sundays using Zikr and chanting praises of Allah. It is unislamic to you because this is done on Sunday or what?

Empiree:
Albaqir, pls come see what we just talked about.

Well, considering hadith of nabi(saw) which you guys are famous for quoting goes like this (paraphrased) 'follow my sunnah and sunnah of my kulafa rashidun', this means that your scholars correcting sahaba is flawed. Besides that, implication of what you just said is that the same sayyidina Umar (ra) whom you guys quote a lot, especially abdelkabir, that he beat a group of people gathering to make dhikr means S. Umar(ra) made mistake on that too. If your salafi scholar can correct sahaba, non-salafi too can. Thats the issue of group dhikr which you claim is bid'a.

See, i will forever find holes in your fake manhaj no matter how you take it.

laughing hysterically..laugh rolling on the floor.. u kuku kn0w n0thing about hadith, its science and its reports..maa give u assignment, go find out about the hadith where umar was corrected by Uthaymeen and also ummu atiyah..

AbuUthaymeen:
And which of our salafs that you said to be ign0rant of one or two of islam rules gaan o . . . . iro eyin sufi ti poju ..infact its u people that actually gave salafs m0re pr0blem than any other sect.. jabata, eyin yi n0ni pr0blem e, abu ibeji, eyin ni n0ni, uztaz yussuf in iwo, eyin yi n0ni pr0blem e.. even in NL, eyin yi n0ni.. m0st of salafs pr0blems, pains, death is alm0st up0n u sufi people also . . . sebi u people wanna kill jabata and others. . . unt0p calling you to sunnah .. kini problem yin gaan. . . why cant u leave the falseh0od and face the truth about islam . . Y love falsehood? why stay with all those sufi, shia and other sect thats n0t in islam . . . . . . . . . why must you die a kafir? se dandan ni. .5am ...

but there are other salafis who rose against your jabata faah abdelkabir who once partially shared his view, you now called him keferi too.

Besides, you did not refute challenges i and other put forth other than to say "you sufis", you shia are kafir". You did not refute. You only rant.

AbuUthaymeen:
laughing hysterically..laugh rolling on the floor.. u kuku kn0w n0thing about hadith, its science and its reports..maa give u assignment, go find out about the hadith where umar was corrected by Uthaymeen and also ummu atiyah..

Onus is on you. You said Sheikh Uthaymeen corrected S. Umar(ra) on triple talaq. Why didnt Sheikh Uthaymeen follow Umar since hadith says to follow sunnah of sahaba?. Why did he have to correct him?. Did he know better than S. Umar(ra)?.

You guys have said the same of sufi "do you know or love rosul better than sahaba who lived with him?"

Empiree:
Albaqir, pls come see what we just talked about.

Well, considering hadith of nabi(saw) which you guys are famous for quoting goes like this (paraphrased) 'follow my sunnah and sunnah of my kulafa rashidun', this means that your scholars correcting sahaba is flawed. Besides that, implication of what you just said is that the same sayyidina Umar (ra) whom you guys quote a lot, especially abdelkabir, that he beat a group of people gathering to make dhikr means S. Umar(ra) made mistake on that too. If your salafi scholar can correct sahaba, non-salafi too can. Thats the issue of group dhikr which you claim is bid'a.

See, i will forever find holes in your fake manhaj no matter how you take it.

KULAFA RASHIDUN (SAHABAHS, KHALIFA..ABUBAKAR,UMAR,UTHMAN,ALI) whatever all sahabah agreed upon..what umar said is wr0ng&he was corrected with pr0of 4rm rasul.and its thru science of hadith scholar kn0w ummu atiya added her own judgement on the hadith..u kuku kn0w n0t

Empiree:
but there are other salafis who rose against your jabata faah abdelkabir who once partially shared his view, you now called him keferi too.

Besides, you did not refute challenges i and other put forth other than to say "you sufis", you shia are kafir". You did not refute. You only rant.

You see what i‘m talking about he has porous brain.

“World“ is doing him

E don pursue all em brothers go He ended up exposing them for who they really are.

Empiree:
Albaqir, pls come see what we just talked about.

Well, considering hadith of nabi(saw) which you guys are famous for quoting goes like this (paraphrased) 'follow my sunnah and sunnah of my kulafa rashidun', this means that your scholars correcting sahaba is flawed. Besides that, implication of what you just said is that the same sayyidina Umar (ra) whom you guys quote a lot, especially abdelkabir, that he beat a group of people gathering to make dhikr means S. Umar(ra) made mistake on that too. If your salafi scholar can correct sahaba, non-salafi too can. Thats the issue of group dhikr which you claim is bid'a.

See, i will forever find holes in your fake manhaj no matter how you take it.

@ underlined, the wordings of the hadith is "follow my Sunnah and the Sunnah of my Khulafah, who are rashidun, mahdiyin".

* Rashidun are they who know the truth and follow it.

* Mahdiyin are they who are being guided by Allah.

* The Sunnah of Nabi and that of the aforementioned Khulafah is ONE and unison. Hence the hadith used singular " Sunnah" instead of plural "Sunan".

Any Khalifah that failed those three descriptions is definitely not among those Khulafah mentioned in the hadith.

For more detailed on that hadith, see:
www.nairaland.com/3038732/identifying-khulafau-rashidun-rightly-guided

# The bitter truth which many Sunni do not want to admit is that Khalifah Umar Ibn al-Khattab was never among the Khulafah Rashidun Mahdiyin. He introduced lots of innovation into Islam, and deliberately ruled over existing Sunnah of Nabi for reason personal reasons and desires.

ikupakuti:



E don pursue all em brothers go He ended up exposing them for who they really are.

This one thing i love about him. He made my job easy He let them see what they couldn't and someone may eventually show up from somewhere to let him see what he doesnt see now

AbuUthaymeen:
KULAFA RASHIDUN (SAHABAHS, KHALIFA..ABUBAKAR,UMAR,UTHMAN,ALI) whatever all sahabah agreed upon..what umar said is wr0ng&he was corrected with pr0of 4rm rasul.and its thru science of hadith scholar kn0w ummu atiya added her own judgement on the hadith..u kuku kn0w n0t

# If it is Shi'a that says Umar was wrong, you will see cries that "Rafidha" are abusing Umar.

# Anyway, show us one hadith (even if it is Daif) where Nabi counted "Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman and Ali" in order, as the Khulafah Rashidun, and also limited them to 4.

AbuUthaymeen:
KULAFA RASHIDUN (SAHABAHS, KHALIFA..ABUBAKAR,UMAR,UTHMAN,ALI) whatever all sahabah agreed upon..what umar said is wr0ng&he was corrected with pr0of 4rm rasul.and its thru science of hadith scholar kn0w ummu atiya added her own judgement on the hadith..u kuku kn0w n0t

Okay but my position stands. Who "corrected" him?, Sheikh Uthaymeen. With understanding of who?. According to you, we are to understand Quran and hadith according to understanding of kulafah. So which Kulafah understood Sheikh Uthaymeen's (position on triple talaq) correction of S. Umar(r)'s mistake?. I am trying to get you to think bruv

Laughing. . sahabahs can be corrected well well. . if what they say or do is against rasul verdict. . . . . . only rasul cann0t make mistake in religi0n verdict .. even our scholars do make mistake well well .. even s0me scholars said tesubah can be used, s0me divided bida, some didnt make takfir of khawarij .. they made mistakes..we sh0uldnt f0ll0w their mistakes.. since what rasul said is opposite of what they said, we w0nt f0ll0w them in their mistake .. we should only follow rasul .. ..u people kuku 0nly f0ll0w ur sheiks 0nly...ko si anything to c0ncern yin pelu rasul. . u kuku av said it all, torikoju tijaniya.. ilana baba tijani..u follow tijani n0t rasul