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In most prior Anglo-Saxon we did not have "hate groups." We had people who did, personally, hateful things. If the things they did violated the law then society punished them according to the law. We did not, that is, believe in guilt by association.
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Now, we simply proscribe certain groups on the theory that membership in, or sympathy with, them constitutes a de facto crime. This dangerous approach is underwritten, in part, by the Southern Poverty organization that the press -- rather than doing its own research -- relies on as a sort of Star Chamber to tell the Good Guys from the Bad Guys. BLM is a cause and a (loose) organization. The KKK is the same. Violation of the law by individuals who adhere to either group must be addressed. But, if you or I find the ideals themselves reprehensible then we need not join. That is freedom of association.
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We are in the midst of an incredible hysteria. Statutes and other public works are being ripped from where they have stood for a century and memorabilia vandalized. In Wisconsin, the operator of a cemetery ordered the removal of all Confederate symbols from resting places. So . . . now the PC sort is into desecrating graves.
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An "art expert" brayed in today's NYT that Confederate-themed statues aren't art -- they are "propaganda." Well, ALL art is propaganda. Is one to believe that the great equestrian Renaissance statutes were neutral political statements? Are Nelson's Column or the column at the Place Vendome anything OTHER than propaganda? It 'twas ever thus -- the "intellectuals" are always the first abandon principles in the face of hysteria.
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Some of us can recall the destruction of statues of Lenin and Saddam. We felt, perhaps, that this was a very good thing. If part of the local population finds a statue of General Lee offensive then the overall population has every right to sanction its removal. But, keep in mind that, regardless of the nobility of the cause, this is historical cleansing. Take them all down, if you wish -- but preserve them in some other way ("Confederate Park?"
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During every bout of hysteria the more hysterical among us must become ever more so. One must always become more extreme in order to avoid criticism from those further to the Left or Right. The president of the USA can denounce ALL violence and that is not good enough for many of us. He must, instead, denounce the violence of which "we" disapprove and praise the violence we admire. (The NYT has adopted this approach -- there is "Your" violence and "Our" violence."
It has all become so silly -- this goofy parsing of which organization is/is not a "hate group." We tar everyone based on those with whom they associate or whose political opinions they may share without reference to whether these individuals have actually done anything untoward. We justify the violence with which we agree and are indignant about violence from those with whom we disagree.
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And, now, we are desecrating graves!
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It is all silly, inconsequential "virtue signaling." It is self-righteous and intolerant. It is, in fact, un-American.



http://www.economist.com/node/21726752/comments?page=1&sort=2#sort-comments


Raumdeuter, Stanech, Obixcel: I found this interesting comment.

The truth is normal people not those crazy liberals like ABbey/Lucas can see through the Hippocratic behavior of the left. That is why they are loosing elections and cannot even raise funds for their party.

Like I asked few days ago where does this end? Because after removing these statues they will come with more demands they are never satisfied..

Abbeybailey:
Obama doesn't have to announce his pledge like a loud mouth bigot looking for attention. Hundreds of thousands are pledging everyday without any announcement but a ego tripping maniac will let the world know. Less wealthier Americans are giving much more than that without broadcasting it. By the way, with your love and worshiping of a bigoted trump, how much did you donate ?. I doubt if you can afford to donate $10.

naaaa he did not pledge anything.. And he may never pledge anything

Obama's expenses the highest of the 5 living ex-presidents�2018 expenses will cost US taxpayers $1.1M

Abbeybailey:
It is a pledge from trump and hopefully it won't be a lie because pledging is different from actually donating. Americans with less wealth are giving more than that . Actually, he was shamed to doing that. What's the big deal here. Why don't you google Hurricane Harvey donors and see how generous Americans are. Trying to make it looks like trump is doing something extra ordinary.

Lucas you never cease to amaze me. How would it be a lie? and what would he gain from that?
- Americans with less wealth.....bla bla bla: Come on bro, why can't you use common sense? Let's say 150 Americans with ''less wealth'' donate 20,000 bucks each, that would be 3,000,000, surpassing the 1,000,000, So what's new there? And what's the big deal? Why do you allow your hatred for Trump becloud your sense of reasoning? President Trump isn't competing with anyone as to who donates the most, but if you want to see it as a competition, how much did Obama donate? Don't tell me it has to be in secret. You are really daft in your thinking, and nothing is enough for dimwits like you.

stanech:
The truth is normal people not those crazy liberals like ABbey/Lucas can see through the Hippocratic behavior of the left. That is why they are loosing elections and cannot even raise funds for their party.

Like I asked few days ago where does this end? Because after removing these statues they will come with more demands they are never satisfied..

You have said it all, nothing would ever satisfy these snowflakes.

Abbeybailey:
He is a pathological liar and nothing coming from trump's mouth is taken serious by Americans anymore. He's just an abberation that time will take care.

Exactly..And he's supporters are the most stupid ever..Dumb People

obixcel:
Lucas you never cease to amaze me. How would it be a lie? and what would he gain from that?
- Americans with less wealth.....bla bla bla: Come on bro, why can't you use common sense? Let's say 150 Americans donate 20,000 bucks each, that would be 3,000,000, surpassing the 1,000,000, So what's new there? And what's the big deal? Why do you allow your hatred for Trump becloud your sense of reasoning? President Trump isn't competing with anyone as to who donates the most, but if you want to see it as a competition, how much did Obama donate? Don't tell me it has to be in secret. You are really daft in your thinking, and nothing is enough for dimwits like you.

Tyler Perry, who never called himself a Billionaire donated $1 million and many athletes and many Americans did without saying a word but an ego tripping maniac pledged. He will pay up because Americans and the Fourth Estate will hold his feet to the fire. Are you happy about your Nazi officer in Georgia telling a white woman they only kill black people. I see none of you Nazi loving people on nairaland is answering the question thrown to you guys by LordReed.

obixcel:
You have said it all, nothing would ever satisfy these snowflakes.

I am thinking soon they will be renaming washington DC and some states if these liberals have their way.. Liberals are acting as if the US is the most racist country in the world.. Fact is majority of US citizens do not care about the color of your skin,,,.. Not saying there are no racists though but they are in the minority, And Trump supporters are not racists...

Abbeybailey:
Tyler Perry, who never called himself a Billionaire donated $1 million and many athletes and many Americans did without saying a word but an ego tripping maniac pledged. He will pay up because Americans and the Fourth Estate will hold his feet to the fire. Are you happy about your Nazi officer in Georgia telling a white woman they only kill black people. I see none of you Nazi loving people on nairaland is answering the question thrown to you guys by LordReed.

When It comes to State-wide Crisis of this magnitude, there's nothing wrong if one pledges publicly a particular sum of money to be used as AID. Tyler Perry is worth about 600 million dollars, and so he can donate likewise, but it is not a competition especially when lives are at stake. Trump is not bragging about it. And you even said he was shamed into doing it, I mean, According to you, Every thing about Trump, it's either
1) He was forced to do it
2) He was shamed into doing it
3) He can never do it well
4) It's never enough
From your postulations in general, I think you seem to have problems with Rich People.

stanech:
I am thinking soon they will be renaming washington DC and some states if these liberals have their way.. Liberals are acting as if the US is the most racist country in the world.. Fact is majority of US citizens do not care about the color of your skin,,,.. Not saying there are no racists though but they are in the minority, And Trump supporters are not racists...

And this is why President Trump will keep winning. People are tired of Identity Politics, and yet this is what the liberals and the Democrats use as a weapon to divide and conquer. It ain't working anymore.

obixcel:
When It comes to State-wide Crisis of this magnitude, there's nothing wrong if one pledges publicly a particular sum of money to be used as AID. Tyler Perry is worth about 600 million dollars, and so he can donate likewise, but it is not a competition especially when lives are at stake. Trump is not bragging about it. And you even said he was shamed into doing it, I mean, According to you, Every thing about Trump, it's either
1) He was forced to do it
2) He was shamed into doing it
3) He can never do it well
4) It's never enough
From your postulations you seem to have problems with Rich People.

As at now it's a pledge and hopefully, he will redeem it. When are you and your sidekick gonna contribute your part since your love for America is unmatched on nairaland.

obixcel:
And this is why President Trump will keep winning. People are tired of Identity Politics, and yet this is what the liberals and the Democrats use as a weapon to divide and conquer. It ain't working anymore.

Like you have anything to do about winning or losing from your post thousands of miles away.

Now we learn that James Comey Drafted Hillary Clinton's Exoneration Before FBI Interviewed Her and the other 17 Key Witnesses
hmm...interesting My Take is that Comey may need to go public and do some explanations on this revelation.

obixcel:
And this is why President Trump will keep winning. People are tired of Identity Politics, and yet this is what the liberals and the Democrats use as a weapon to divide and conquer. It ain't working anymore.

I tell you brother. The women's march organizer is trying to raise money for 'immigrants and people of color' in texas.. Is that not racism?

obixcel:
Now we learn that James Comey Drafted Hillary Clinton's Exoneration Before FBI Interviewed Her and the other 17 Key Witnesses
hmm...interesting My Take is that Comey may need to go public and do some explanations on this revelation.

Yea we knew the guy was cunning. Him, Loretta and Obama tried everything to save the bitch

Elitist Obamas bought 3rd home, $8.1 million mansion in DC this year & are now eying property at Martha's Vineyard

ABOUT TIME: #FBI and #DHS Recognize Far Left #Antifa Activity as "Domestic Terrorist Violence"

stanech:
Elitist Obamas bought 3rd home, $8.1 million mansion in DC this year & are now eying property at Martha's Vineyard

To the victor goes the spoils. Obama and Michelle didn't inherent a dime from their parents unlike some big mouth who was born on 3rd base thinking he hits a triple. The Obamas deserved everything they get and Americans appreciates them and that's why Obama's approval rating is sky high unlike the Buffon in power now.

stanech:
Obama's expenses the highest of the 5 living ex-presidents�2018 expenses will cost US taxpayers $1.1M

How much of that expenses comes out of your pocket ?. Lying liar just like your idol , the racist trump. Trump is bankrupting the Secret Service with his family protections and SS staying in his hotels and the Feds paying for it. Emolument clause. Check that out before you start throwing your junks on nairaland.

Seeing the real heart of #America has shattered the Leftist narrative. America is not divided. The media is lies to create division. #Harvey

stanech:
Seeing the real heart of #America has shattered the Leftist narrative. America is not divided. The media is lies to create division. #Harvey

Whoever told you America is divided. Keep your delusions going. We are not divided because majority of Americans know the abberation in office will be over. We are as United as ever and that's why there's overwhelming condemnation of Nazis and their supporters. Get that into your skull.

Abbeybailey:
Whoever told you America is divided. Keep your delusions going. We are not divided because majority of American know the abberation in office will be over. We are as United as ever and that's why there's overwhelming condemnation of Nazis and their supporters. Get that into your skull.

So who is ot condemning Nazis? DJT

stanech:
So who is ot condemning Nazis? DJT

Hush your trap with the garbage you throw out here everyday. Your lord trump us a Nazi sympathizer and that's why Americans of all shades are jumping all over him.

Abbeybailey:
Hush your trap with the garbage you throw out here everyday. Your lord trump us a Nazi sympathizer and that's why Americans of all shades are jumping all over him.

Really?

Can you give one instance just one

stanech:
Really?

Can you give one instance just one

Division in chief is the new moniker for the racist trump not Commander in chief. So many examples of his bigotry that i don't even want to put out now.

Abbeybailey:
Division in chief is the new moniker for the racist trump not Commander in chief. So many examples of his bigotry that i don't even want to put out now.

GIVE ONE

stanech:
GIVE ONE

Obviously, your thinking level is in 2nd grade level. Have you ever heard of Trump's Birtherism and according to Republican Speaker of the House Paul Ryan says it is textbook racism. Google Central Park 5 and see how racist and useless trump was and still is. Calling Mexicans drug dealers and rapists is another one. Calling Judge Curiel who was born and raised in Indiana a Mexican judge that won't be fair to him on his fake and defunct trump Univeristy scam. So many more but a knucklehead like you who worship him won't understand. Thank God your useless comments doesn't go beyond nairaland. Need I say more because I know your comprehension level is very low.

LordReed:
@raumdeuter, Timbuktuo

Your thoughts on this:
http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2017/08/video_of_georgia_police_office.html

What do we want?

Dead Cops!!

When do we want it?

NOW!!

Thoughts on that?

raumdeuter:
What do we want?

Dead Cops!!

When do we want it?

NOW!!

Thoughts on that?

A productive thing to do would have been to give your thoughts on the subject matter at hand before introducing a new subject. Besides you bring up "slogans" with no reference how am I supposed to know what you are referring to?

LordReed:
A productive thing to do would have been to give your thoughts on the subject matter at hand before introducing a new subject. Besides you bring up "slogans" with no reference how am I supposed to know what you are referring to?

There's something called Google.

You can search for those words I posted so you won't complain that i gave you right wing blogs

raumdeuter:
There's something called Google.

You can search for those words I posted so you won't complain that i gave you right wing blogs

I post a link to which you replied, its not hard to respond likewise.

LordReed:
I post a link to which you replied, its not hard to respond likewise.

You snowflakes regularly complain about getting you news from right wing blogs thats why I give you to do the research and choose any site you want you still complain just like in real life democrats cant seem to determine wht they want