Why do a lot of people stick to 9coach of block as Lintel Level?

Its less Light,
Its aesthetically not too pleasing,
Its not significantly less expensive.

Please if Anybody has any reason why its better please inform so as to guide our Judgement in the future.

skimanski:
Why do a lot of people stick to 9coach of block as Lintel Level?

Its less Light,

Its aesthetically not too pleasing,

Its not significantly less expensive.

Please if Anybody has any reason why its better please inform so as to guide our Judgement in the future.

Please put a clearer meaning to the bold.

bixton:


Please put a clearer meaning to the bold.

Less Lighting into the House

The difference in Overall cost isn't significantly much because some people say higher Lintel means Taller Windows which is extra cost. But the difference isn't much because higher Windows means less block Works and Plaster space to work with overall

bixton:


Please put a clearer meaning to the bold.

less expensive.That extra one coach alone multiplied by the girth of a building with plenty walls can amount to increase in cost.Imagine a building with 100m girth (perimeter) 0.225mm high =225blocks@10blocks/sqm

raymondFirstborn:

Am a QS myself that's why I asked.

Ok. Your experience and ur level of transparency will determine what next.

skimanski:
Why do a lot of people stick to 9coach of block as Lintel Level?

Its less Light,
Its aesthetically not too pleasing,
Its not significantly less expensive.

Please if Anybody has any reason why its better please inform so as to guide our Judgement in the future.

less expensive.That extra one coach alone multiplied by the girth of a building with plenty walls can amount to increase in cost.Imagine a building with 100m girth (perimeter) 0.225mm high =225blocks@10blocks/sqm

skimanski:



Less Lighting into the House

The difference in Overall cost isn't significantly much because some people say higher Lintel means Taller Windows which is extra cost. But the difference isn't much because higher Windows means less block Works and Plaster space to work with overall

Engineering practice is all about pushing beyond the known standard practice to achieving ones goals.

I have seen somewhat of what your question is all about and i'd ask you what I asked the perceived engineer on site too.

Mean while this is an illustration of the building but you can point me in your direction if it does not go in line of what you intend doing;

4 blocks from german floor to window base
10 blocks from window base to lintel......

My question
How many blocks will you place on top the cast lintel both internal and external walls?

skimanski:
Why do a lot of people stick to 9coach of block as Lintel Level?

Its less Light,
Its aesthetically not too pleasing,
Its not significantly less expensive.

Please if Anybody has any reason why its better please inform so as to guide our Judgement in the future.

Thought u studied architecture?
We know everything in architecture is subject to personal creativity. But what standard measurement were u using for residential building height during your 200 & 300 level? That should explain d widespread use of 9coach for lintel. It is really not about cost or ventilation, but standard that was used to train many architects at the basics.

raymondFirstborn:


less expensive.That extra one coach alone multiplied by the girth of a building with plenty walls can amount to increase in cost.Imagine a building with 100m girth (perimeter) 0.225mm high =225blocks@10blocks/sqm

Thought as much, u newly join nairaland. Because d thing just dey shark u for body, your comments just full everywhere

snakebeat:

Thought as much, u newly join nairaland. Because d thing just dey shark u for body, your comments just full everywhere

Lol.been on NL FOR LONG JUST never thought of registering until recently.

snakebeat:

Thought u studied architecture?
We know everything in architecture is subject to personal creativity. But what standard measurement were u using for residential building height during your 200 & 300 level? That should explain d widespread use of 9coach for lintel. It is really not about cost or ventilation, but standard that was used to train many architects at the basics.

Standard? This is beyond 200 level now. and note I was never taught that 9coach was a standard for window. What I was taught was that standard for doors are 9 coach. so its nice to make the lintel be on same level as the door. Now Regarding the Bolded, I do not agree with you that its not about cost, or ventilation, or Aesthetics but about standard. The only standard is what you want for your house.

bixton:


Engineering practice is all about pushing beyond the known standard practice to achieving ones goals.

I have seen somewhat of what your question is all about and i'd ask you what I asked the perceived engineer on site too.

Mean while this is an illustration of the building but you can point me in your direction if it does not go in line of what you intend doing;

4 blocks from german floor to window base
10 blocks from window base to lintel......

My question
How many blocks will you place on top the cast lintel both internal and external walls?

From coach 10 you can decide how many blocks you wish to put on top of the lintel level that is structurally viable for the project.

bixton:


Engineering practice is all about pushing beyond the known standard practice to achieving ones goals.

I have seen somewhat of what your question is all about and i'd ask you what I asked the perceived engineer on site too.

Mean while this is an illustration of the building but you can point me in your direction if it does not go in line of what you intend doing;

4 blocks from german floor to window base
10 blocks from window base to lintel......

My question
How many blocks will you place on top the cast lintel both internal and external walls?

it all depends on how high the wall would be, based on the design .Building wall= 3m block height =0.225mm. block =3/0.225=13.33coaches from german floor to roof.

skimanski:
Why do a lot of people stick to 9coach of block as Lintel Level?

Its less Light,
Its aesthetically not too pleasing,
Its not significantly less expensive.

Please if Anybody has any reason why its better please inform so as to guide our Judgement in the future.

Attached is what I did on my builds. It's even a coach lower than in your picture. I was going by height and the closet measurement was by full block and without wastage.

I wanted exactly a bungalow, a low slung one that hugs the landscape as much as possible.

Now one can argue that 1 coach shouldn't make a difference. But where do we stop encroaching?

skimanski:



Standard? This is beyond 200 level now. and note I was never taught that 9coach was a standard for window. What I was taught was that standard for doors are 9 coach. so its nice to make the lintel be on same level as the door. Now Regarding the Bolded, I do not agree with you that its not about cost, or ventilation, or Aesthetics but about standard. The only standard is what you want for your house.

@ First bold What is the height from your oversite concrete to window sill u were taught in 100 & 200 level? Use metric, seems this coach thing is confusing.
@Second bold After all the anthropometrics, all the jury u pass through & that pass through u, from Bsc to Msc, u bold make such statement! Haba bros.
Are u saying u will consent to a door height of less than 2.1m, for a residential building because that is what the client want for himself? There wouldn't have been need for anthropometrics, structures & foundation types in architecture going by d second bold.

skimanski:


From coach 10 you can decide how many blocks you wish to put on top of the lintel level that is structurally viable for the project.

Based on the structural viability of the project, the thought is well conceived.

raymondFirstborn:


it all depends on how high the wall would be, based on the design .Building wall= 3m block height =0.225mm. block =3/0.225=13.33coaches from german floor to roof.

cc skimanski
@ bold u can even see a QS subconsiously alluding to standards in explaining his views, these measurement were infused in us at the basics & they will certainly dominate most decisions we reach, except on few exceptional cases. Certain things will always be rampant in architecture no matter how creative we try to be.

raymondFirstborn:


it all depends on how high the wall would be, based on the design .Building wall= 3m block height =0.225mm. block =3/0.225=13.33coaches from german floor to roof.

Designs are on paper which are subject to change on the field.

skimanski:



Standard? This is beyond 200 level now. and note I was never taught that 9coach was a standard for window. What I was taught was that standard for doors are 9 coach. so its nice to make the lintel be on same level as the door. Now Regarding the Bolded, I do not agree with you that its not about cost, or ventilation, or Aesthetics but about standard. The only standard is what you want for your house.

This is what set's you apart from the run of the mill builders on this site.

Rest assured that most of us that are exposed to different architectures in different parts of the world truly appreciates what you and your team are doing for Nigerian architecture.

Let me share a recent occurrence on something similar.

So I approached an Architect on social media that offered a free kitchen design. I sent him my building plan as well as the current state of the kitchen. The picture clearly shows a kitchen that is tiled, windows and doors installed, rough plumbing in place, etc

I have a pet peeve which is I hate when I see sink stuck to one corner of the kitchen. I think that even a sink is more prominent than a stove because not everyone cooks in their kitchens. But they certainly clean up, wash plates, hands, etc

So when I designed my kitchen I placed it square in the middle of the wall.

When he designed the layout he moved the kitchen to one corner of the wall. When I asked him why he told me that he practices Feng Shui style of architecture. There's nothing wrong about this and we decided to part ways because he was adamant but I know what I want.

He said that sink should not be next to stoves. To me this sounded ridiculous since I've seen many houses on Houzz that has the same setup that I wanted.

I looked up the Feng Shui nonsense and I read this:

"Let’s start with the myths. One of the most common Feng Shui myths is that your stove should never be located directly across from your sink. This myth stems from misunderstanding the Five Element cycle in Feng Shui. The Five Element Cycle dictates that the water element “puts out” or destroys the fire element. While this is true, it isn’t the reason that ancient Feng Shui knowledge tells us to avoid placing the stove (fire) next to, or opposite the sink (water).

The reason Feng Shui originally recommended avoiding having water too near fire is because in ancient China (where Feng Shui began) people cooked over an open flame. Before the invention of matches, starting a fire was an arduous task. The last thing you wanted to have happen when you were cooking over fire is the flame to go out, hence, it is just common sense that you would want to avoid water near that area.

Today we have gas and electric stoves instead of wood-burning fires to cook over, and running water in sinks instead of sloshing open buckets. The rule of having the water (sink) near the stove (fire) does not apply to our modern kitchens. There is absolutely nothing to be concerned about if your sink opposes or sits next to your stove. In fact, my sink is directly across from my stove, and nothing has happened because of it in all the many years I’ve lived in my home. If this is the case in your home as well, you have nothing to be concerned about, despite what you may have read in some Feng Shui books."

https://sandiegofengshuiblog./2010/10/20/kitchen-feng-shui/

So I agree with you is that "standard is what you want for your house" as long as it's not against building code. Even some things against building code can have a waiver requested for and granted.

bixton:


Designs are on paper which are subject to change on the field.

@bolded -Your head dey their bros!

bixton:


Designs are on paper which are subject to change on the field.

As for me and my fellow colleagues we stand strongly behind 3m building height for bungalows subject to the International building code (IBC) and the BSMM3.

skimanski:



Standard? This is beyond 200 level now. and note I was never taught that 9coach was a standard for window. What I was taught was that standard for doors are 9 coach. so its nice to make the lintel be on same level as the door. Now Regarding the Bolded, I do not agree with you that its not about cost, or ventilation, or Aesthetics but about standard. The only standard is what you want for your house.

There are doors above the height of the 9 block course standard.
The only thing standard in building construction is using the right tools, materials, right and appropriate mix(es). Every other thing is based on its structural viability, how it appeals to the eyes upon finishing and how it gives comfort to both infants and the aged when in use.

bixton:


There are doors above the height of the 9 block course standard.
The only thing standard in building construction is using the right tools, materials, right and appropriate mix(es). Every other thing is based on its structural viability, how it appeals to the eyes upon finishing and how it gives comfort to both infants and the aged when in use.

standard doors 2.05m, 2,1 and 2.2m any other size is subject to crazy and cost consuming design by an architect

raymondFirstborn:



As for me and my fellow colleagues we stand strongly behind 3m building height for bungalows subject to the International building code (IBC) and the BSMM3.

The reason we all went to higher institutions was to learn the basics based on approved and acceptable standards.
As long as your build is without structural defect and maintains an aesthetic sense which is not entirely weird in nature then it's a go go.

Flaghouse1:

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@bolded -Your head dey their bros!

Sorry ooooo. I no understand your statement.

EgunMogaji:


This is what set's you apart from the run of the mill builders on this site.

Rest assured that most of us that are exposed to different architectures in different parts of the world truly appreciates what you and your team are doing for Nigerian architecture.

Let me share a recent occurrence on something similar.

So I approached an Architect on social media that offered a free kitchen design. I sent him my building plan as well as the current state of the kitchen. The picture clearly shows a kitchen that is tiled, windows and doors installed, rough plumbing in place, etc

I have a pet peeve which is I hate when I see sink stuck to one corner of the kitchen. I think that even a sink is more prominent than a stove because not everyone cooks in their kitchens. But they certainly clean up, wash plates, hands, etc

So when I designed my kitchen I placed it square in the middle of the wall.

When he designed the layout he moved the kitchen to one corner of the wall. When I asked him why he told me that he practices Feng Shui style of architecture. There's nothing wrong about this and we decided to part ways because he was adamant but I know what I want.

He said that sink should not be next to stoves. To me this sounded ridiculous since I've seen many houses on Houzz that has the same setup that I wanted.

I looked up the Feng Shui nonsense and I read this:

"Let’s start with the myths. One of the most common Feng Shui myths is that your stove should never be located directly across from your sink. This myth stems from misunderstanding the Five Element cycle in Feng Shui. The Five Element Cycle dictates that the water element “puts out” or destroys the fire element. While this is true, it isn’t the reason that ancient Feng Shui knowledge tells us to avoid placing the stove (fire) next to, or opposite the sink (water).

The reason Feng Shui originally recommended avoiding having water too near fire is because in ancient China (where Feng Shui began) people cooked over an open flame. Before the invention of matches, starting a fire was an arduous task. The last thing you wanted to have happen when you were cooking over fire is the flame to go out, hence, it is just common sense that you would want to avoid water near that area.

Today we have gas and electric stoves instead of wood-burning fires to cook over, and running water in sinks instead of sloshing open buckets. The rule of having the water (sink) near the stove (fire) does not apply to our modern kitchens. There is absolutely nothing to be concerned about if your sink opposes or sits next to your stove. In fact, my sink is directly across from my stove, and nothing has happened because of it in all the many years I’ve lived in my home. If this is the case in your home as well, you have nothing to be concerned about, despite what you may have read in some Feng Shui books."

https://sandiegofengshuiblog./2010/10/20/kitchen-feng-shui/

So I agree with you is that "standard is what you want for your house" as long as it's not against building code. Even some things against building code can have a waiver requested for and granted.

Just because an idea does not suit you means the person is a buffalo.
Well I am yet to see any build that is 101%.

bixton:


There are doors above the height of the 9 block course standard.
The only thing standard in building construction is using the right tools, materials, right and appropriate mix(es). Every other thing is based on its structural viability, how it appeals to the eyes upon finishing and how it gives comfort to both infants and the aged when in use.

What about height?

snakebeat:

What about height?

Height of what exactly?

bixton:

Height of what exactly?
The only thing standard in building construction is using the right tools, materials, right and appropriate mix(es).

Height of whatever u are constructing
d bold informed my question, there is no such thing as only thing standard in construction!!!! Everything should be standard, even if all professionals don't practice it, d least we can do is to preach it.

bixton:


Sorry ooooo. I no understand your statement.

What I actually meant is that by the time you start building "as is" on diagram you will discover some ideas are just good on papers ,but when it comes to doing it on the field experience and maturity counts, especially roof designs are prone to these kind of design flaws

oyb:


QS is a dead profession. Modern software can spit out detailed schedules of materials.

just had to let MY OGA QS ON THIS
olumide4christ

Flaghouse1:


What I actually meant is that by the time you start building "as is" on diagram you will discover some ideas are just good on papers ,but when it comes to doing it on the field experience and maturity counts, especially roof designs are prone to these kind of design flaws

Most of the designs by unseasoned architects (using the term loosely) are unbuildable with concrete.