₦airaland Forum

bibe:
I've actually taken it as a personal objective to engage Igbos from the SE and SS and to reorient our thinking. I once met a friend now who's from Agbor, his name is Ifeanyi but when I said oh you're Igbo he said he wasn't. After much dialogue he admitted his brother sees himself as Igbo but he himself doesn't. Our engagement changed his orientation to an extent. I recall using this same Nzeogwu reference.

However I met another again from Delta (aniocha part), his name was Chukwurah, he plainly told me he was Igbo and wouldn't even entertain a 'Delta Igbo' tag. Like I said the effect of the war led to denials which has also made the Igbos from the SE to see the newly created bendel and rivers (SS) in a stereotypical way.

All these is as a result of what I said before, am also from Aniocha, north to be precise some of us still bear the scars of the war and some even deny their Igbo identity when asked why persistently they open up to the reasons above but be it as it may we are all igbos.

yungmill:
Exactly bro, this needs to end the yorubas don't see their brothers from kogi and kwara as inferior but the reverse is our case.

One love bro

the annoying thing is calling you delta Igbo

biko what is delta Igbo

we need anioma zoned to SE for all this to end

Urobos too de find trouble and course confusion they don start again Mcheeeeeeeew.

bibe:
I think all this started with the war and the stigma of bearing an Igbo or even Igboid tag. Thus most Igbo/Igboid people from the 'newly' created Bendel State and Rivers State tended to reject the Igbo tag for survival sake. Unfortunately it has festered for longer than it should.

you are absolutely correct but don't also forget the bombing of the Niger bridge

anyway Igbo amaka

Thermodynamics:
wow, it's true, never knew jay jay Okocha was from Ogwash in Delta state, Igbo tribe just de cover us, anybody when de answer Obi or Ngozi or Uche na SE, rubbish, na so Igbo do de claim Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala, when she is actually a daughter of Anioma.

Bros all I ask is that they see us as one and nothing more, not because of the benefits they stand to gain and yes okonjo is of the royal family in ogwashi.

One love bro we are one.

Ijaw and I solo prefer to have one state wit Itsekiri than to have with Hayenas

aniomafirstson:
the annoying thing is calling you delta Igbo

biko what is delta Igbo

we need anioma zoned to SE for all this to end

LOL, no lele

aniomafirstson:
you are absolutely correct but don't also forget the bombing of the Niger bridge

anyway Igbo amaka

The thing is, blowing up the bridge was a complex political decision. At that point in time there was already the Midwestern region (later renamed Bendel) and politically they were outside the seceding region Biafra. Thus even though there were Igbos there, trying to carve them out means encroachment, on the other hand, they were also victims of the pogrom too (being Igbo). So it was a really complicated situation and decision by the Biafran forces.

Stay and you'll be seen as an encroaching force, leave and be seen by some of your brother's as abandoning them even when some of them volunteered to fight on the Biafran side. It was really a complicated situation.

bibe:
The thing is, blowing up the bridge was a complex political decision. At that point in time there was already the Midwestern region (later renamed Bendel) and politically they were outside the seceding region Biafra. Thus even though there were Igbos there, trying to carve them out means encroachment, on the other hand, they were also victims of the pogrom too being Igbo. So it was a really complicated situation and decision by the Biafran forces.

Stay and you'll be seen as an encroaching force, leave and be seen by some of your brother's as abandoning them even when some of them volunteered to fight on the Biafran side. It was really a complicated situation.

You are right in a way but as of then there was no distinction between igbos west or east of the Niger so that encroaching argument is invalid, because even as at then igbos in Benin, delta, venue, Kogi and even rivers were all seen as igbos, if not why do you think after the war they carved most of these parts out to cause a divide and disunity

yungmill:
You are right in a way but as of then there was no distinction between igbos west or east of the Niger so that encroaching argument is invalid, because even as at then igbos in Benin, delta, venue, Kogi and even rivers were all seen as igbos, if not why do you think after the war they carved most of these parts out to cause a divide and disunity

You are correct, the were no distinction as at then but politically there was. Anioma had been carved into the Midwestern region years before the war and were effectively in a separate economic entity (Midwestern region).

The seceding region was the Eastern region which is why I said that the presence of Biafran forces in the Midwestern region meant political encroachment as they were outside Ojukwus mandate. It will be and was interpreted as aggression by the Nigerian forces.

bibe:
The thing is, blowing up the bridge was a complex political decision. At that point in time there was already the Midwestern region (later renamed Bendel) and politically they were outside the seceding region Biafra. Thus even though there were Igbos there, trying to carve them out means encroachment, on the other hand, they were also victims of the pogrom too (being Igbo). So it was a really complicated situation and decision by the Biafran forces.

Stay and you'll be seen as an encroaching force, leave and be seen by some of your brother's as abandoning them even when some of them volunteered to fight on the Biafran side. It was really a complicated situation.

the war was a tribal war so i don't know how they will be seen as an encroaching force if they stayed

bibe:
You are correct, the were no distinction as at then but politically there was. Anioma had been carved into the Midwestern region years before the war and were effectively in a separate economic entity (Midwestern region).

The seceding region was the Eastern region which is why I said that the presence of Biafran forces in the Midwestern region meant political encroachment as they were outside Ojukwus mandate. It will be and was interpreted as aggression by the Nigerian forces.

best thing nzeogwu and ojukwu could have done was declaring anioma as part of Biafra so that it wouldn't be seen as an encroachment stuff

aniomafirstson:
the war was a tribal war so i don't know how they will be seen as an encroaching force if they stayed

The seceding region was the Eastern region which is why I said that the presence of Biafran forces in the Midwestern region meant political encroachment as they were outside Ojukwus mandate. It will be and was interpreted as aggression by the Nigerian forces. It was a complex political situation.

bibe:
You are correct, the were no distinction as at then but politically there was. Anioma had been carved into the Midwestern region years before the war and were effectively in a separate economic entity (Midwestern region).

The seceding region was the Eastern region which is why I said that the presence of Biafran forces in the Midwestern region meant political encroachment as they were outside Ojukwus mandate. It will be and was interpreted as aggression by the Nigerian forces.

another reason why I want it zoned to south east is that politically in Nigeria they are not together since during the time of azikiwe

everything can be solved if Biafra is achieved

aniomafirstson:
best thing nzeogwu and ojukwu could have done was declaring anioma as part of Biafra so that uy wouldn't be seen as an encroachment stuff

It's not that easy cos that'll mean usurping the command of the governor of the Midwestern region. It's not for Ojukwu to declare without the mandate of the Anioma people and a majority vote in the MW region. That means getting a nod from other ethnicities makeing up the MW region, otherwise it'll be seen as a land grab attempt.

bibe:
The seceding region was the Eastern region which is why I said that the presence of Biafran forces in the Midwestern region meant political encroachment as they were outside Ojukwus mandate. It will be and was interpreted as aggression by the Nigerian forces. It was a complex political situation.

read my previous post

bibe:
It's not that easy cos that'll mean usurping the command of the governor of the Midwestern region. It's not for Ojukwu to declare without the mandate of the Anioma people and a majority vote in the MW region. That means getting a nod from other ethnicities makeing up the MW region, otherwise it'll be seen as a land grab attempt.

land grabbing ke...you should know all this are mere Geo political zones

the same MW people that were pointing out aniomas to the Nigerian army?

aniomafirstson:
another reason why I want it zoned to south east is that politically in Nigeria they are not together since during the time of azikiwe

everything can be solved if Biafra is achieved

If you ask me Biafra is not the way forward, look at the stupid differences between us where we don't acknowledge ourselves as one, how will we survive Biafra, but ultimately it's in the hands of the people hence the call for referendum, I would prefer a confederal system with a weak centre in charge of the military and foreign affairs, with the states or regions as it may be, be responsible for its economic growth and development, internal peace and security with full resource control while paying royalty to the centre.

yungmill:
You maybe right to some extent as that is the case with the ikwerres but not so with those West of the 9ja, even my dad experienced what I said earlier, some of the eastern igbos I have met see us more as impure breed with ancestry from other tribes in delta up to Benin, or conquered people of Benin empire how stupid.

When many like the new Obi of Issele ukwu will go to Benin to bow to the Oba why won't it be so?! It is shameful to people in the SE. I'm not defending the whole fake Igbo tag;it is silly,but this stereotypes are fueled by such actions.

SlayerForever:
When many like the new Obi of Issele ukwu will go to Benin to bow to the Oba why won't it be so?! It is shameful to people in the SE. I'm not defending the whole fake Igbo tag;it is silly,but this stereotypes are fueled by such actions.

Who told you he bows

yungmill:
If you ask me Biafra is not the way forward, look at the stupid differences between us where we don't acknowledge ourselves as one, how will we survive Biafra, but ultimately it's in the hands of the people hence the call for referendum, I would prefer a confederal system with a weak centre in charge of the military and foreign affairs, with the states or regions as it may be, be responsible for its economic growth and development, internal peace and security with full resource control while paying royalty to the centre.

let's save ourselves first from Nigeria

you are correct (confederal system)

SlayerForever:
When many like the new Obi of Issele ukwu will go to Benin to bow to the Oba why won't it be so?! It is shameful to people in the SE. I'm not defending the whole fake Igbo tag;it is silly,but this stereotypes are fueled by such actions.

it has never happened before

you are wrong

yungmill:
Who told you he bows

But he must. Again,if he has to go all the way to Benin to be "acknowleged" then we're not making progress,are we? It looks kinda slavish (to me personally and I know to a lot of Igbo out there). Such actions don't only fuel the stereotypes,it feeds the identity crises.

aniomafirstson:
let's save ourselves first from Nigeria

you are correct (confederal system)

Ok

aniomafirstson:
it has never happened before

you are wrong

Hahahhaha. Don't make me laugh. It's been happening since longer than I can remember.

aniomafirstson:
land grabbing ke...you should know all this are mere Geo political zones

the same MW people that were pointing out aniomas to the Nigerian army?

It's unfortunate that a lot of people are ignorant of the fact in your first paragraph especially when it comes to who they really are. For example a lot don't differentiate the fact that they are from Delta or Rivers, doesn't mean that's who they are. They are merely geopolitical expression. Likewise in the south East, you'll see people taking up imo or abia or Anambra not as a geopolitical expression but literally as an identity. The way I see it, state creation has really done more harm than good. Worse, it has bloated cost of governance.

The creation of a new Delta state cannot solve any problem of marginalisation. Deltan elders and politicians should lend their voices strongly to restructuring Nigeria and stop clamouring for the impossible. The Nigerian Constitution has made it almost impossible to create new states. Nigeria needs SIX strong regional base for her to meet up with the likes of Sing
apore, Malaysia, US and the UK.
IT SHALL BE WELL!

fratermathy:
I have always advocated for an Urhobo State, no more, no less. The idea of sharing states with other ethnicities is not productive in a nation like Nigeria where ethnocentrism reigns supreme.

Our leaders need to see things from a better perspective. There's no point sharing a state with Itsekiris (who have their own agenda), Ijaws (who already have their own state) and I daresay Isoko (whose political machinations do not align with ours to a large extent).

You people are too greedy

supersystemsnig:
Its too late, countries in Europe are beginning to ban petrol engines. More countries are discovering crude oil. Information predicts the Northern Nigerian will soon discover crude oil up North. Name it Kenya, Botswana, Southern Sudan oil is beginning to flow, I am praying to God for oil to dry up so we can begin to think..


The greatest resource is the mind. Look at the igbos, go to markets and see igbos controlling machines, metals, commerce... We are dulling ourselves when the greatest resource is the mind and we need to hone in on it.

Stop lying,

ArewaYouths:
Stop lying,

You're not on my I.Q. level. Please shift

supersystemsnig:
You're not on my I.Q. level. Please shift

So what's your IQ?

ArewaYouths:
So what's your IQ?

Go abeg