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Re: Part Of Evolution Theory That Got Me Really Confused....can There Be An Answer? by segunojo866: 6:37pm On Sep 26, 2017 |
butterflyl1on:same thing we are saying. |
Re: Part Of Evolution Theory That Got Me Really Confused....can There Be An Answer? by segunojo866: 6:42pm On Sep 26, 2017 |
butterflyl1on:one thing am sure of is that the earth is not less than 10,000years old according to biblical calculation. Scientists suggested that the earth might be 4.5billion years. To be honest both claims haven't yet be proven but it's almost certain that the bible account of the earth is wrong. |
Re: Part Of Evolution Theory That Got Me Really Confused....can There Be An Answer? by butterflyl1on: 6:47pm On Sep 26, 2017 |
segunojo866: I don't understand you. You said based on biblical calculations you are sure that the earth is not less that 10,000 years old. Scientists say 4.5billion years old. Yet you say the Bible account of the earth is wrong? I don't get it. Or is it your punctuation marks in your comment that is sending the wrong message? |
Re: Part Of Evolution Theory That Got Me Really Confused....can There Be An Answer? by segunojo866: 6:47pm On Sep 26, 2017 |
butterflyl1on:am convinced that there was an intelligent designer of the universe, Albert Einstein also acknowledge it. If you study Charles Darwin and Richard Dawkins books about the human cells and genes. It's obvious that there most be a designer. The question is who was the designer? Obviously it's not the religious god's. |
Re: Part Of Evolution Theory That Got Me Really Confused....can There Be An Answer? by segunojo866: 6:49pm On Sep 26, 2017 |
butterflyl1on:what i meant is that the Bible claim that the earth is less than 10,000years is not acceptable |
Re: Part Of Evolution Theory That Got Me Really Confused....can There Be An Answer? by adepeter2027(m): 6:52pm On Sep 26, 2017 |
segunojo866:And what if the designer is not a God? What if we are just laboratory experiments? What if everything is just a mirage/illusion? I don't bother myself again about evolution or no evolution |
Re: Part Of Evolution Theory That Got Me Really Confused....can There Be An Answer? by butterflyl1on: 6:53pm On Sep 26, 2017 |
segunojo866: Well I will not go into the "obviously " part you mentioned at the end because this thread is not for that. However I appreciate the fact that you admit to intelligence in the design for creation which means you believe there is a higher being responsible for this design but even if it were God it cannot be the religious adaptation. Am I correct? |
Re: Part Of Evolution Theory That Got Me Really Confused....can There Be An Answer? by dalaman: 6:54pm On Sep 26, 2017 |
adepeter2027: Some aspects of evolution makes sense and sound plausible, but over all it is pure bunk in my opinion. It relies too much on the opinion and alleged intelligent guesses of its proponents. Some of its assumptions are out rightly false. |
Re: Part Of Evolution Theory That Got Me Really Confused....can There Be An Answer? by segunojo866: 6:57pm On Sep 26, 2017 |
butterflyl1on:you are so right |
Re: Part Of Evolution Theory That Got Me Really Confused....can There Be An Answer? by butterflyl1on: 6:57pm On Sep 26, 2017 |
adepeter2027: The designer is a God We are programmed laboratory experiments with a set of will and can determine how we end the experiment based on reward for good behaviour or reward for bad behaviour. Everything is a mirage and an illusion because this world and our bodies are not the real us. This world will pass away and so will our earthly bodies. The real us is what our bodies is covering as a suit. |
Re: Part Of Evolution Theory That Got Me Really Confused....can There Be An Answer? by butterflyl1on: 6:59pm On Sep 26, 2017 |
segunojo866: I am Okay with your position of believing in a higher power behind the intelligence of creation and you have to agree that the inherent intelligence in creation is amazing. It's just a beautiful display of super human intelligence. |
Re: Part Of Evolution Theory That Got Me Really Confused....can There Be An Answer? by hopefulLandlord: 6:59pm On Sep 26, 2017 |
dalaman: Science is based on facts and on theories based on facts. Religion is based on belief in spite of facts; usually religion is based on a "holy book" which pretends to be a book describing "events" that actually "happened". No wonder religious people detest science, although they now pretend to "support" science (as a general -- and, for them, meaningless -- proposition). Christians are also fearful re: Evolution for solid theological reasons: Evolution demolishes the idea of an "Adam and Eve," who are depicted as being created by "God" in the last part of Biblical Creation in the Book of Genesis. They are unrelated to any life form that came before them, per the Bible. Without Adam and Eve . . . you have no disobedience based on them eating the fruit from the wrong tree. Without this disobedience -- called "Original Sin" -- you have NO reason for "God" to later send a "Redeemer" for the human race (each of whose members somehow "inherited" that "Original Sin" LOL) . . . and that Redeemer = Jesus. Without Jesus, you have no basis for Christianity. . . . hence, the panic that Christians feel re: Evolution and their goal to discredit it and – instead – to pretend that a folk tale version of “Creationism accurately describes what actually “happened”. They're not arguing against evolution cuz its false; if the Bible endorsed evolution, they'll be its biggest proponents, they're arguing against it cuz it renders a big part of their folklore virtually useless 7 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Part Of Evolution Theory That Got Me Really Confused....can There Be An Answer? by adepeter2027(m): 7:01pm On Sep 26, 2017 |
butterflyl1on:Assumptions without evidence. Furthermore, your points sound like personal perception. |
Re: Part Of Evolution Theory That Got Me Really Confused....can There Be An Answer? by dalaman: 7:02pm On Sep 26, 2017 |
butterflyl1on: Why do you like making silly commentaries na? How do you know that the HOW is useless? It is NOT. I for one will like to know HOW the first man or set of humans was/ were created. I can not manufacturer a car but when I see the video recording of a car assembly plant I fully and truly appreciate the process involved even though I can't replicate it. Creationism doesn't know the HOW and can not offer any verifiable ot true explanation so it skips ot and tries to explain the why(something that remains an assumption on its part ). The HOW, WHEN and WHERE are all very important questions and we are all very interest in them as human beings. Even many creationists try to answer them, it's just that they have failed with their attempts. 3 Likes |
Re: Part Of Evolution Theory That Got Me Really Confused....can There Be An Answer? by butterflyl1on: 7:03pm On Sep 26, 2017 |
adepeter2027: Your questions which I responded to look like we are both having the same personal perceptions wouldn't you agree? |
Re: Part Of Evolution Theory That Got Me Really Confused....can There Be An Answer? by butterflyl1on: 7:04pm On Sep 26, 2017 |
dalaman: Okay we are done. I have to stop responding to your comments now because as rightly observed you are now derailing and shifting the purpose of the OP. Let's just say we agree to disagree. Thank you. |
Re: Part Of Evolution Theory That Got Me Really Confused....can There Be An Answer? by adepeter2027(m): 7:05pm On Sep 26, 2017 |
butterflyl1on:Yeah. And that's why I stated above that "both" look fake & false to me |
Re: Part Of Evolution Theory That Got Me Really Confused....can There Be An Answer? by dalaman: 7:05pm On Sep 26, 2017 |
adepeter2027: Of course it is HIS personal perception and assumptions. |
Re: Part Of Evolution Theory That Got Me Really Confused....can There Be An Answer? by vaxx: 7:08pm On Sep 26, 2017 |
dalaman:if you dare it... I will invite a Muslim to defend their claim likewise i will call butterflylion or any other to also defend the Christianity faith... You will see they will hold on to some logical reasons you yourrself will find it difficult to debunk....... I asure you i can defend my paganism faith logically.... |
Re: Part Of Evolution Theory That Got Me Really Confused....can There Be An Answer? by dalaman: 7:09pm On Sep 26, 2017 |
hopefulLandlord: You are always nailing it. What I really find astonishing is this Adam and Eve mythological folklore. It is demonstrably FALSE. 1 Like |
Re: Part Of Evolution Theory That Got Me Really Confused....can There Be An Answer? by dalaman: 7:13pm On Sep 26, 2017 |
vaxx: I've debated muslims and christians here for years. I was a former christian myself. If Christianity made logical sense to me, I will still be one. We can start with your paganism. I don't know anything about it so you can tell me it's major claims so that we can examine them. |
Re: Part Of Evolution Theory That Got Me Really Confused....can There Be An Answer? by vaxx: 7:16pm On Sep 26, 2017 |
hopefulLandlord:not all religion is base on books......unstructured religion like pagan. Do not follow any particular standard.... The whole idea is DO It YOUR SElf...... To me a pagan is a free thinker.... He does not follow any rules or standard , he only follow the principle rules of nature.... |
Re: Part Of Evolution Theory That Got Me Really Confused....can There Be An Answer? by vaxx: 7:21pm On Sep 26, 2017 |
dalaman:lol to avoid deralling.... You can create a topic on it and mention me......or may be I myself will call you in my next topic... |
Re: Part Of Evolution Theory That Got Me Really Confused....can There Be An Answer? by dalaman: 7:23pm On Sep 26, 2017 |
vaxx: Ok then. |
Re: Part Of Evolution Theory That Got Me Really Confused....can There Be An Answer? by segunojo866: 7:23pm On Sep 26, 2017 |
adepeter2027:am not saying the designer was Yahweh or Allah. I believe in an higher been, you can say i believe in God but my opinion about God Is that God Is science and nature. I don't believe in the religious and supernatural type of God |
Re: Part Of Evolution Theory That Got Me Really Confused....can There Be An Answer? by butterflyl1on: 7:26pm On Sep 26, 2017 |
segunojo866: Nature and science are not behind creation so God cannot be nature and science. God is apart from nature as he created nature. God is apart from science as his creation caused science as we know it to exist and scientists to have jobs. |
Re: Part Of Evolution Theory That Got Me Really Confused....can There Be An Answer? by segunojo866: 7:36pm On Sep 26, 2017 |
butterflyl1on:so wrong. Every religion has their own description of god and my own description is science. |
Re: Part Of Evolution Theory That Got Me Really Confused....can There Be An Answer? by vaxx: 7:37pm On Sep 26, 2017 |
segunojo866:as for me am in between.... Scientifically I support science and logically I support creationist ..... Not the Bible version anyway.... The yoruba concept....I created a thread on it... I will post it for you if you like... |
Re: Part Of Evolution Theory That Got Me Really Confused....can There Be An Answer? by segunojo866: 7:40pm On Sep 26, 2017 |
vaxx:please post it |
Re: Part Of Evolution Theory That Got Me Really Confused....can There Be An Answer? by butterflyl1on: 7:42pm On Sep 26, 2017 |
segunojo866: The same science you said It's evolutionary theory is unreasonable and irrational? Yet this same science based evolution is seen as God by you? You are confusing bro. |
Re: Part Of Evolution Theory That Got Me Really Confused....can There Be An Answer? by vaxx: 7:43pm On Sep 26, 2017 |
segunojo866: https://www.nairaland.com/4014537/yoruba-story-creation-fact-fiction Try to read it.... |
Re: Part Of Evolution Theory That Got Me Really Confused....can There Be An Answer? by vaxx: 7:47pm On Sep 26, 2017 |
butterflyl1on:I really like you your new style of handling debate now... No insult.... Hope you can continue.... It shows you have a balance mind |
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