₦airaland Forum

himola:
What a nice question. Look no other place, our hype "first classers", graduates and professors are all over place continue and recycling the old curriculum that has nothing to do our society.

Here, school teaches you how to count money but not how to make it. Commercial students know what I am talking about, balancing equations, OMO, unrealistic fiscal policy, foreign inflation control ideology, strange and inapplicable risk management theories were what they dishing out. No half-baked graduate in this country but a lot of confused students finished with good testimonial grades.

Nigerians are intelligent, smart and productive, your schools syllabi were wrong and not correlated to your needs. Lot of raw materials to work with but your science students continuing scamming formulas, if your creativity in arts is equivalent to other field e for betta.

I mixed unnamed different local chemicals in my village here and produced social needs like soaps, insecticides, pesticides etc without furnished labs. I am not a technologist but my mixers can compete with branded ones.

Shey I be Nigerian self, seriously schooling is to discovered yourself. I wished I go school, I for have best grade.

Aba, I love it here.

omoelerin1:
I want to believe you are not a half-baked but a fully- baked, then what are you doing? Where is your innovation? where is your contribution? Who tells you that those guru in technology are professors/first class grad? Did you know majority of them are drop-outs? Are those Arab project managers professors or graduates?

musicwriter:
What you need to understand is the education we get in Africa is just standard education, according to what white people wants us to know. It's so because this education was handed down to us by Europeans before leaving Africa. So, what we have in Africa is like a photocopy of a photocopy of a photocopy of a photocopy, and so on. It's because we copied it from others that it would naturally keep losing quality, just like you keep photocopying a document from one to another. My senior brothers got a better quality education than me, and I got a better quality education than my junior ones. Those that would come after us would keep getting less quality education. This is already an open secret, and everybody knows education is increasingly losing quality by the year. The more we copy it to future generations, the more it would lose quality.

I remember when we were in school back in the days, and they used to say those in primary school couldn't write a good letter. Later, the saying changed that those in secondary school couldn't write a good letter. Now, they say university graduates can't write a good letter anymore. Most of the certificates and qualifications ends on paper, not in practice. If those qualifications were real, you'll see it in our streets, in science and technology and all the other fields you mentioned.

However, it was deliberately designed that way right from the time it was handed to us by Britain. The colonial masters weren't really interested in giving education to their colonies. It was an after thought, and when they did, their priority was training people who can speak their various languages, people who could help them run the colonial administration, people who they could control. It wasn't about giving technical skills or learning how to build our own airplane. As a matter of fact, an educated person in British colony in the 1920's was someone who could speak English language. And in French colonies it was someone who could speak French language. The education disables an African mind to want to aspire scientifically, and as I said, it was deliberately designed that way. That's why we can't build our own roads and the rest of the things. It was designed so we continue to import our needs from the master.

We're going nowhere, until African leaders and those managing education in Africa understand this and re-invent education based on African philosophy.

As you suggested, the solution is overhaul the thing called education and re-install a brand new system of education created by us, a system of education without colonial hangovers. This would include using our native languages to acquire knowledge. Only then shall somebody who tells you he studied about mosquito talk about mosquito in a way it would be open source knowledge to everybody. It would no longer be a topic you have to first qualify as an English speaker to understand. A system of education that disqualifies our native languages from knowledge acquisition is slavery!! .

Anybody interested in reading more should see the link on my signature, part 1 and part 2. See intellectual slavery, the worst legacy of colonialism http://www.africason.com/2015/10/intellectual-slavery-most-dangerous.html

musicwriter:
What you need to understand is the education we get in Africa is just standard education, according to what white people wants us to know. It's so because this education was handed down to us by Europeans before leaving Africa. So, what we have in Africa is like a photocopy of a photocopy of a photocopy of a photocopy, and so on. It's because we copied it from others that it would naturally keep losing quality, just like you keep photocopying a document from one to another. My senior brothers got a better quality education than me, and I got a better quality education than my junior ones. Those that would come after us would keep getting less quality education. This is already an open secret, and everybody knows education is increasingly losing quality by the year. The more we copy it to future generations, the more it would lose quality.

I remember when we were in school back in the days, and they used to say those in primary school couldn't write a good letter. Later, the saying changed that those in secondary school couldn't write a good letter. Now, they say university graduates can't write a good letter anymore. Most of the certificates and qualifications ends on paper, not in practice. If those qualifications were real, you'll see it in our streets, in science and technology and all the other fields you mentioned.

However, it was deliberately designed that way right from the time it was handed to us by Britain. The colonial masters weren't really interested in giving education to their colonies. It was an after thought, and when they did, their priority was training people who can speak their various languages, people who could help them run the colonial administration, people who they could control. It wasn't about giving technical skills or learning how to build our own airplane. As a matter of fact, an educated person in British colony in the 1920's was someone who could speak English language. And in French colonies it was someone who could speak French language. The education disables an African mind to want to aspire scientifically, and as I said, it was deliberately designed that way. That's why we can't build our own roads and the rest of the things. It was designed so we continue to import our needs from the master.

We're going nowhere, until African leaders and those managing education in Africa understand this and re-invent education based on African philosophy.

As you suggested, the solution is overhaul the thing called education and re-install a brand new system of education created by us, a system of education without colonial hangovers. This would include using our native languages to acquire knowledge. Only then shall somebody who tells you he studied about mosquito talk about mosquito in a way it would be open source knowledge to everybody. It would no longer be a topic you have to first qualify as an English speaker to understand. A system of education that disqualifies our native languages from knowledge acquisition is slavery!! .

Anybody interested in reading more should see the link on my signature, part 1 and part 2. See intellectual slavery, the worst legacy of colonialism http://www.africason.com/2015/10/intellectual-slavery-most-dangerous.html

Rapmoney:
For those folks who love throwing stones at people due to hidden tribal, religious, family or pure blind sentiments, I write this post without any bias. If you have a first-class graduate or a professor in your family or you are one, don't take this personal, even if I know that your sentiments are irrelevant and remove nothing from or add nothing to the basic truth!

From independence to our present day, Nigeria as a country has been churning out first-class graduates from different universities that are scattered across the country like the creeks of Calabar. Often times, we are greeted with news headlines on newspapers, television, radio and online media such as: '45 Bagg First-Class From Migwor University' or '38 Graduate With First-Class From University of Vrendo'. Now, I ask, where are these first-class graduates? What have they been able to contribute to and achieve in science, art, technology and other facets of life? Is it that their 'intelligence' was only expressible on thick papers called certificates?

How come we still can't manufacture wrist-watches even with all our first-class graduates and professors in Engineering?

How come we have the raw materials to construct roads, yet we need some Arab fellows with a pass in National Diplomas to supervise road construction projects in Nigeria?!!! Where are our first-class graduates in Civil Engineering?

Where are all the project works that were defended in school before graduation? Probably resting on those old dusty cockroach and rat-infested shelves as usual

Our agricultural productivity is very low in many areas, yet we have been churning our first-class graduates and professors from various faculties of Agriculture in different tertiary institutions (universities and polytecnics).

Most private universities in Nigeria award first-class degrees as if they were oranges, kuli-kuli, biscuits or bubble gums. Each time these universities dish out their usual rounds of first-class degrees, it reminds me of how our aunties and uncles used to hand us many sweets, biscuits and gums during their children's birthday parties in the early 80's. To be sincere, I've met some first-class graduates from these schools who didn't even know the main difference between a university and a polytecnic. They couldn't impress me!

Most of the indigenous products we use in this country are the handwork and brainchild of folks who obtained technical knowledge from technical institutions and other sources within and outside Nigeria.

Those that studied abroad and bagged first-class degrees and the professors who were tutored abroad usually come back home with no significant contribution in science, art, technology and other areas, irrespective of the fact that most of them studied under scholarships or grants.

Until the educational system in Nigeria is over-hauled, we are going to witness more and more half-baked and quarter-baked first-class holders and professors who are products of a system that promotes mediocrity at the expense of value and quality.

The government of Poland spends about 3% of its annual budget on RESEARCH, just research alone (NOT EDUCATION). Don't we have so-called professors in government? What is their significance?

dayo2me:
how many % of the degree holder can write or read effectivefully?

Rapmoney:
I don't think you read the first paragraph of my post because if you did, you would have sounded differently. Don't take it personal; truth hurts. By the way, the atmosphere surrounding the post has nothing to do with superiority or inferiority.

Rapmoney:
Thanks for understanding.

alpontif:
I think we should put this to rest once and for all.

The OP's assertions stem from a place of ignorance and wrong premises /assumptions.

First class graduates and University professors cannot do anything unless they are empowered to do so by an active government policy/masterplan on scientific /industrial research and development.

The Government providers the means, the scientists and first class graduates will provide the results.

Without the means, you cannot have the results. And it is only Government and huge MNCs that have the resources to provide the means.

All the scientists doing great things abroad are doing so because they have access to the means, not because they are more intelligent than the Nigerian scientist.

Developed Countries have provided the means for industrial development, it is the government you should query, not the competence of First Class graduates or University professors.

That is why I said your question stemmed from a place of ignorance /wrong assumption.

It's like the common wrong assumption people make about mechanical engineers, thinking that they ought to be able to design and repair Cars. Not knowing or caring to clarify what mechanical engineering is, and know that it is different from automobile engineering or Motor mechanics technology.

A mechanical engineer will not know anything about motor vehicles unless his speciality is automobile engineering.

So when you shout up and down that Mechanical engineers are incompetent because they can't repair cars, you are only announcing your ignorance to the world.

francis247:
Exactly the thoughts running through my mind yesterday. The great inventors and those who built on their works, which university did they finish from? Education is just another invention to keep
humanity occupied . Will never teach nor allow my children believe the "heresy" that it is the key to a brighter future and a fulfilled life and all that balderdash.

Rapmoney:
For those folks who love throwing stones at people due to hidden tribal, religious, family or pure blind sentiments, I write this post without any bias. If you have a first-class graduate or a professor in your family or you are one, don't take this personal, even if I know that your sentiments are irrelevant and remove nothing from or add nothing to the basic truth!

From independence to our present day, Nigeria as a country has been churning out first-class graduates from different universities that are scattered across the country like the creeks of Calabar. Often times, we are greeted with news headlines on newspapers, television, radio and online media such as: '45 Bagg First-Class From Migwor University' or '38 Graduate With First-Class From University of Vrendo'. Now, I ask, where are these first-class graduates? What have they been able to contribute to and achieve in science, art, technology and other facets of life? Is it that their 'intelligence' was only expressible on thick papers called certificates?

How come we still can't manufacture wrist-watches even with all our first-class graduates and professors in Engineering?

How come we have the raw materials to construct roads, yet we need some Arab fellows with a pass in National Diplomas to supervise road construction projects in Nigeria?!!! Where are our first-class graduates in Civil Engineering?

Where are all the project works that were defended in school before graduation? Probably resting on those old dusty cockroach and rat-infested shelves as usual

Our agricultural productivity is very low in many areas, yet we have been churning our first-class graduates and professors from various faculties of Agriculture in different tertiary institutions (universities and polytecnics).

Most private universities in Nigeria award first-class degrees as if they were oranges, kuli-kuli, biscuits or bubble gums. Each time these universities dish out their usual rounds of first-class degrees, it reminds me of how our aunties and uncles used to hand us many sweets, biscuits and gums during their children's birthday parties in the early 80's. To be sincere, I've met some first-class graduates from these schools who didn't even know the main difference between a university and a polytecnic. They couldn't impress me!

Most of the indigenous products we use in this country are the handwork and brainchild of folks who obtained technical knowledge from technical institutions and other sources within and outside Nigeria.

Those that studied abroad and bagged first-class degrees and the professors who were tutored abroad usually come back home with no significant contribution in science, art, technology and other areas, irrespective of the fact that most of them studied under scholarships or grants.

Until the educational system in Nigeria is over-hauled, we are going to witness more and more half-baked and quarter-baked first-class holders and professors who are products of a system that promotes mediocrity at the expense of value and quality.

The government of Poland spends about 3% of its annual budget on RESEARCH, just research alone (NOT EDUCATION). Don't we have so-called professors in government? What is their significance?

dbynonetwork:
Trash!
You lack throughput to comprehend what the OP posted..
Let me make it easier for you... He asked " What have our first class graduates and professors contributed to Nigeria growth and development since independence"..
Please come up with something reasonable.

himola:
What a nice question. Look no other place, our hype "first classers", graduates and professors are all over place continue and recycling the old curriculum that has nothing to do our society.

Here, school teaches you how to count money but not how to make it. Commercial students know what I am talking about, balancing equations, OMO, unrealistic fiscal policy, foreign inflation control ideology, strange and inapplicable risk management theories were what they dishing out. No half-baked graduate in this country but a lot of confused students finished with good testimonial grades.

Nigerians are intelligent, smart and productive, your schools syllabi were wrong and not correlated to your needs. Lot of raw materials to work with but your science students continuing scamming formulas, if your creativity in arts is equivalent to other field e for betta.

I mixed unnamed different local chemicals in my village here and produced social needs like soaps, insecticides, pesticides etc without furnished labs. I am not a technologist but my mixers can compete with branded ones.

Shey I be Nigerian self, seriously schooling is to discovered yourself. I wished I go school, I for have best grade.

Aba, I love it here.

FUCKmeHARD:
.....Meanwhile Ijaw boys that refine their birth right crude oil and sell to the common man at cheaper rate will find greedy northern security officers trying to get the lion share or take all proceed which most times they call NTA to video khaki boys pouring crude into rivers causing environment polution instead of the Govt to give everyone free hand to refine our property so engineering IT studen can also come and learn...

ib0221:
Most of the submissions depict victim mentality and complexities. We must all strive in our little means to create values, stop seeing barriers and start seeing opportunities. Life lessons are around for all to tap from.

Oduok:
Everywhere in the world scholars are being consulted by either the government or entrepreneurs to tap into their wealth of knowledge. On daily basis companies, individuals, and government are finding help from these excellent brains. If you can check scholarly indices you will respect them. Most of them are scattered all over the world and making great impact.

FUCKmeHARD:
How can a first class graduate manufacture a 'common' wristwatch as you call it when the country cannot boast of steady power supply?




No constant power! All engineering training equipment in our schools and hospitals are outdated!

Buhari is always travelling to UK to treat his retired Dick there because the money meant for even aso rock clinic is whats been shared to all his family members while left over is for BMC and Herdsmen terrorizing good people, blocking roads and robbing day and night with riffle !

Then they turn around send you to come here asking why do we train half baked doctors?!


I'd keep saying No Power supply!



Nigerian Immigration Prints our Passports in Asia!u


All Airtel and MTN Base stations are remotely controlled and repaired in India so how does a gradute of ET learn by just reading this.

Oil wells in southern Nigeria are all shipped to be refined at ten times ten the actual amount.
Then we turn around to import it back.

How would the nigerian graduate learn?

Infact I was at a refinary in Turkey meeeeen ya need to see how university student studying engineering that are always taken there to see the practicals!

While no refinary works in nigeria because the money has been shared and hidden in the north.

Meanwhile Ijaw boys that refine their birth right crude oil and sell to the common man at cheaper rate will find greedy northern security officers trying to get the lion share or take all proceed which most times they call NTA to video khaki boys pouring crude into rivers causing environment polution instead of the Govt to give everyone free hand to refine our property so engineering IT studen can also come and learn...


Nigeria imports guns into the country as confired by Hamid Ali, because our steel rolling mills in Ajakuta and Others cant get power supply to function. For if it has all power supply to fuction, at least there will be IT student learning practicals and there would be knowledge transfer that would make nigerian graduate capable of handling machines breakdown without inviting the china man.



We have Tobaco and ganger / Oshogbo weed in this nigeria yet every day you constantly see imported Cigar! Then how does the nigerian graduate learn how to repair and maintain cigar making machines

These are few....


We have fine girls all over nigeria yet Osho Baba imported woman!

Condom is imported yet we have rubber trees every where!



No research grants for anyone yet you want nigerian graduate to kill himself?

Rapmoney:
Oga, if you read the post very well, you would have observed that I was even trying to show that there is no correlation between the little indigenous technology we have and 'outstanding' degrees obtained by some folks. I didn't pin-point Arabs that supervise project works as professors or compulsorily, graduates! Don't attack the messenger, attack the message! You are almost contradicting yourself.

laudate:
What is the toxicity level of those soaps, insecticides etc., that you produce? Have you conducted tests on them to make sure they are not carcinogenic and have no short or long-term negative side effects on the users? It is not just about mixing stuff, you also need to ensure that those things are safe to use.

himola:
You see, they have started with this their bogus, "gragra" unencouraging and biased statements. Without sitting in the theaters listening, assimilating, and scramming outdated and archaic scrutinizing cum obsolete means of products testing called lecture room.

Safety first, I agreed with you on that, do you how far I have gone with my research, before discovered my formula, its an ecological friendly, cheaper and faster means making "unchemicalized" but natural soap, germicides, herbicides, insecticides and other out-of-the-class products.

No school teaches me all what I am doing right now but once I launched them for human uses, critics will surely come especially those intelligent brilliant but unproductive brains that only work on unfinished theories set by old theorists; sir, I am of a school of idealism and realism.

Remember, I am not neither first-classer, graduate nor professor as the subject matter indicated, so never shatter my brain with big big grammar o. I know they meant by contaminating agents, photo-sensitizer, dehydration, dermal irritant, filth laboratory and substandard local products like mine. C'mon, let challenge and support ourselves to produce better things.

Please, let me finish it first so that they ( the professors) can add it to the text books for the students to read for examinations, did I care if my name wouldn't be erased.

Bikonu bro, leave me o. I am a proud scientist, economist, technologist, industrialist, local...ist, that formulate reliable hypothesis for somebody like you to wake up. How I wish to know book like you, I for be inventor cum professor that can doctored a better universe.

Sorry, una all good in ya field. Proudly marketable Aba.

Anita Roddick opened the first body Shop in 1976 with the aim of making an income for herself and her two daughters while her husband was away in South America, with the idea of providing quality skin care products in refillable containers and sample sizes, all marketed with truth rather than hype. She opened her second shop six months later. On her husband's return, he joined the business. By 1991, the Body Shop had 700 branches, and Roddick was awarded the 1991 World Vision Award for Development Initiative..... By 2004, the Body Shop had 1980 stores, serving over 77 million customers throughout the world. It was voted the second most trusted brand in the United Kingdom, and 28th top brand in the world. On 17 March 2006, L'Oréal purchased Body Shop for £652 million... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anita_Roddick

Rapmoney:
For those folks who love throwing stones at people due to hidden tribal, religious, family or pure blind sentiments, I write this post without any bias. If you have a first-class graduate or a professor in your family or you are one, don't take this personal, even if I know that your sentiments are irrelevant and remove nothing from or add nothing to the basic truth!

From independence to our present day, Nigeria as a country has been churning out first-class graduates from different universities that are scattered across the country like the creeks of Calabar. Often times, we are greeted with news headlines on newspapers, television, radio and online media such as: '45 Bagg First-Class From Migwor University' or '38 Graduate With First-Class From University of Vrendo'. Now, I ask, where are these first-class graduates? What have they been able to contribute to and achieve in science, art, technology and other facets of life? Is it that their 'intelligence' was only expressible on thick papers called certificates?

How come we still can't manufacture wrist-watches even with all our first-class graduates and professors in Engineering?

How come we have the raw materials to construct roads, yet we need some Arab fellows with a pass in National Diplomas to supervise road construction projects in Nigeria?!!! Where are our first-class graduates in Civil Engineering?

Where are all the project works that were defended in school before graduation? Probably resting on those old dusty cockroach and rat-infested shelves as usual

Our agricultural productivity is very low in many areas, yet we have been churning our first-class graduates and professors from various faculties of Agriculture in different tertiary institutions (universities and polytecnics).

Most private universities in Nigeria award first-class degrees as if they were oranges, kuli-kuli, biscuits or bubble gums. Each time these universities dish out their usual rounds of first-class degrees, it reminds me of how our aunties and uncles used to hand us many sweets, biscuits and gums during their children's birthday parties in the early 80's. To be sincere, I've met some first-class graduates from these schools who didn't even know the main difference between a university and a polytecnic. They couldn't impress me!

Most of the indigenous products we use in this country are the handwork and brainchild of folks who obtained technical knowledge from technical institutions and other sources within and outside Nigeria.

Those that studied abroad and bagged first-class degrees and the professors who were tutored abroad usually come back home with no significant contribution in science, art, technology and other areas, irrespective of the fact that most of them studied under scholarships or grants.

Until the educational system in Nigeria is over-hauled, we are going to witness more and more half-baked and quarter-baked first-class holders and professors who are products of a system that promotes mediocrity at the expense of value and quality.

The government of Poland spends about 3% of its annual budget on RESEARCH, just research alone (NOT EDUCATION). Don't we have so-called professors in government? What is their significance?

DarkRebel69:
Is RESEARCH not a form of EDUCATION?

I don't seem to get the head nor the tail of this write-up. If it's what I think it is trying to say then I would say that "mass brain drain'' is the answer to your question. And I don't think I need to spell out the reasons that incite our keenest minds to troop out in droves to Europe and America in search of greener pastures.

laudate:
Learning is something that never ends. Just because someone asked about the toxicity levels and biosafety regimen of your product, does not mean he is against you, or your output. My reason for asking was because you had earlier said that you "mix different chemicals," to create products. That was what led to my enquiry. If you have ever worked as a volunteer in a medical setting like I have, you would realise that many of the cases of sick people that you see in hospitals, could have been prevented if only they had been careful about the kind of products they ingested, or applied to their bodies.

Try and take a leaf from the late Anita Roddick of The Body Shop brand in the UK. She used a lot of herbal ingredients to make her products, but they were tested by scientists before being released to the market, using more ethical means, as she was totally against animal testing. And her products gained wide acceptability. Before she died, her business was worth £652 million pounds and it was bought over by French cosmetics giant L'Oreal in 2006.

If a person is going to be a successful producer or manufacturer, he not only needs to keep learning, he also has to stay humble and religiously embark on a principle of continuous improvement. Just my 2 cents.

Rapmoney:
... it reminds me of how our aunties and uncles used to hand us many sweets, biscuits and gums during their children's birthday parties in the early 80's. To be sincere, I've met some first-class graduates from these schools who didn't even know the main difference between a university and a polytecnic. They couldn't impress me!

... Don't we have so-called professors in government? What is their significance?