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Answers according to quran and hadiths .... and if you want to refute him or accuse him.. do it with dalil .. TELL WHAT HE'S DOING OR SAYING THAT IS AGAINST QURAN AND HADITH.. then quote quran and hadith to support your claims... #NO COPY AND PASTING# ..do not derail this thread

I will be writing his answers and also the accusations . . . . . . . . . . . . all the answers will be from his lecture # Lagos Niqosh # ..you could also download the lectures from voiceofthesalaf.com ..7

1. Anybody that does bida is a kafir? . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Answer: There is different distinction between a kafir, kufru and the person that does bida.. it is not everybody that does bida is a kafir... but that doesnt mean that the bida act done by that person is not a kufru act... example.. A man that does salatu fathi.. #that man is not a kafir, salatu fathi is a bida.. and its kufru act# . . . . , . . . . . . = SO PEOPLE THAT DO SAY JABATA SAID THAT ONCE YOU DO A BIDA, U A KAFIR AND YOU WILL ENTER HELL ARE LAIRS =. . . . . . . . .the obvious question that should be asked is that, WHEN WILL A PERSON THAT DOES BIDA WILL BECOME A KAFIR. . .. . .there are some shuroot(conditions) that must be fufilled by someone that does bida before that person can become a kafir . . . this has proof in quran and hadith . . .

If the person is forced and has no choice or the person made mistake or the person misunderstand or forgets.. those are the conditions. . Al Nahl 16:106, Al Ahzab 33:5, Al Tawbah 9:115 respectively .. #if you do not fall into any of these conditions and you are doing bida..then know that you are a kafir# . . . . .

2. Making Jahl (ignorance) as an excuse or condition of making takfir in AQEEDAH issue. He said he didnt chose jahl (ignorance) in the matters of aqeedah . . and some salafs did. . and there are some salafs who didnt also. . Some0ne that take jahl as an excuse and s0me0ne that didnt will always arrive at the same point if used as its supposed to be used ... HADITH MUAWIYA AS SAHMI .. about the slave girl and her response to where is ALLAH ..G

3. Divison Of Bida . . . . . . . some say bida is divided into 5, some said its divided into good and bad and some said its both kufru and sin ... but they are all wrong .. # the hadith said; KULU BIDA DOLALA, KULU DOLALA FI NAR. ... every innovation is misguidance, every misguidance leads to hell ...... we all know bida is not divided into 5 .. and we all know that there is nothing like GOOD misguidance . . . now it remains explanation on is bida kufru or sin

Rasul explained shirk and he also divide it ... but there is absolutely no proof from quran and hadith on division . . "kulu" means every, and if there is going to be some exception from the kulu. . there are so many "kulu" in the quran. . . . . some means every and some means every but there are some things that are exceptional from the kulu. .be it in the same verse or another verse......,"kulu nafsin fil maot" ..EVERY LIVING THING WILL TASTE DEATH ... this "kulu" can never ever be divided..abi which living thing w0nt die? . .also there are "kulu" that are divided.. for example, the quran verse on haadi nation. . ALLAH said HE send wind to destroy "kulu" everything HE command it to destroy. . . .THAT MEANS THINGS IT DIDN'T DESTROY ISNT IN THE "KULU" . . .There's absolutely no proof that "kulu" in the hadith has division. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . and some salafs divide bida and s0me didnt. . and they do not fight nor call themselves ahlu bida on the issue ..#ratul#

And its these scholars that told us never to follow their fatwa that doesnt have pr0of fr0m them. . . . . Salim Hilaali, Barbahari, AL Banee (didnt divide bida). .BinBaz, Uthaymeen, Faowzan(divide bida) . . but those that divide bida doesnt have pr0of . . ALL BIDA IS KUFRU ..

Are You Done With Your 'Fatwa'

Salim Hilaali..in his book about bida..(the name was not mentioned)..page tabasha wa iznain .. prophet muhammad said sinners cant be said that they will go to hell (tata matia), sinners are also muslim .. putting sinners into this "kulu bida" simply means you are saying that sinners will go to hell.. [page arbain] bida isnt sin and all bida is kufru. division of bida has no proof. all bida are the same ..same judgement while all sins are not the same and has different judgement.. Hadith of rasul is talking about bida not sin. and calling bida also a sin is changing the word of rasul.. @ the back of the book of the sheik; bida and sin..sheik differentiate between bida and sin.. A Sinner Will Know That What He/She is doing is n0t g00d and that its disobeying of ALLAH and prophet muhammad BUT Ahlu BIDA WILL NOT REPENT BECAUSE HE/SHE will think and accept that he/she is using it to worship ALLAH.. BIDA IS NOT SIN NOR SIN IS IN BIDA..BIDA IS KUFRU AND SIN IS SIN . .5

Most of us know the hadith on a shahabah that do drink alcohol and he do get punished by rasul..and one of the sahabah cursed him and rasul said DO NOT CURSE him, he loves ALLAH and rasul. Most of us do know the hadith of khawarij, they got cursed and were said to be kufar by prophet muhammad... .#sinners love ALLAH and rasul but Ahlu Bida don't..they are kufar#... also the hadith of ibn mashood on people that do make adkar in jammah, using counting method apart from fingers..and they have amir, they were corrected but they refused . .#ufg# they aligned with khawarij during the war with muslims. .THEY WERE KILLED IN THE WAR WITH KHAWARIJ by sahabahs. . . . #if bida were to have sin within it like they do say that bida is kufru and sin. . am sure that doing zikr jammah, using tesuba and other counting method and having amir IS BIDA MUFAZIKOH which is said to be sin. . .# AND AM SURE SAHABAHS WILL NEVER KILL A SINNER. . . this is telling us that all bida is kufru. .it has no sin in it. . . #fjqq.#

Empiree:
Are You Done With Your 'Fatwa'

NO

He was also accused of making takfir on ibn hajar and imam nawawi ...they also bring the proof of bida division with marwan issue .. and also the issue of eating with spoon

Download the lectures to know the rest . . Its something you have to listen to to yourself . . . .series of questi0ns and answer ..

ShaheedBinAliyu:
Download the lectures to know the rest . . Its something you have to listen to to yourself . . . .series of questi0ns and answer ..

My Question.

Is Tarawih in Congregation Bid'ah or not.
If it is Bid'ah, are those who practise it Kafir or not? (using kul without division), (using kul with division also).
Using 'Kul with division', if those who practise tarawih in congregation later find out it's Bid'ah (Bid'ah hasanah)by Umar. Are they kafir or not?

Agreeing with the above, are u saying Umar is a Kafir also?

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you mind him. I want him to finish it trash before i address him even though this was already discussed countless times.

Now, he is going to reply you that S.Umar(ra) made mistake instead of saying he is kufar. But if any of the later or current generation did similar bid'a of s. Umar(ra), he would not hesitate to call them kufar. He is illogical.

Now that you raised question of congregational taraweeh, which shi'a also believe that s.Umar did bid'a of taraweeh, ask this guy if shi'a are guided or correct on this?

Java Phone!!!

Raintaker:
My Question.

Is Tarawih in Congregation Bid'ah or not.
If it is Bid'ah, are those who practise it Kafir or not? (using kul without division), (using kul with division also).
Using 'Kul with division', if those who practise tarawih in congregation later find out it's Bid'ah (Bid'ah hasanah)by Umar. Are they kafir or not?

Agreeing with the above, are u saying Umar is a Kafir also?

YES IT IS BIDA.(asamu@8pm/after isha).THOSE THAT PERFORMS IT ARE AHLU BIDA BUT NOT ALL OF THEM ARE KAFIR(because of the conditions to look for before making takfir.1.forgetfulness 2. mistake/misunderstanding. 3. forcefulness. 4. Ignorance). BUT IF THOSE AHLU BIDA KNOW ITS BIDA AND THEY STILL DO PERFORM THE ASAMU@8PM/AFTER ISHAI, THEY ARE KAFIR. . .do u undestaNd? . , . .THERE IS NOTHING LIKE BIDA HASSANA(MISGUIDANCE can never be good,tashreey can never be good,rejecting ALLAH verdict and replace it with your own can never be good)..do u understand? . . .

Raintaker:
My Question.

Is Tarawih in Congregation Bid'ah or not.
If it is Bid'ah, are those who practise it Kafir or not? (using kul without division), (using kul with division also).
Using 'Kul with division', if those who practise tarawih in congregation later find out it's Bid'ah (Bid'ah hasanah)by Umar. Are they kafir or not?

Agreeing with the above, are u saying Umar is a Kafir also?

UMAR DIDNT DO BIDA(taraweeh congregation) . . taraweeh congregational @ ramadan period has proof. . rasul did perform the taraweeh for them in congregational way. . he did it 3 times. . but that taraweeh is performed @ 1/3rd of the night, before dawn. .around 3-5 ..oru ni rasul ki fun w0n n0t after ishai. when people go to m0sque @ oru to perform taraweeh and the perform it separately.UMAR corrected them..that they should perform it in jammah since rasul had performed it in jammah for them. .that 1 person should lead.. do u understand?

Empiree:
^
you mind him. I want him to finish it trash before i address him even though this was already discussed countless times.

Now, he is going to reply you that S.Umar(ra) made mistake instead of saying he is kufar. But if any of the later or current generation did similar bid'a of s. Umar(ra), he would not hesitate to call them kufar. He is illogical.

Now that you raised question of congregational taraweeh, which shi'a also believe that s.Umar did bid'a of taraweeh, ask this guy if shi'a are guided or correct on this?

ALWAYS GOING AGAINST RASUL. . .DO not DIE unless YOU A MUSLIM . . IF YOU DIE A SUFI, U WILL ABIDE IN HELL FOREVER

Demmzy15:
Java Phone!!!

Would you then do me the favour of buying me an android phone? perhaps note 4 pro. . .AM SURE YOU AINT CAPABLE TO. . if you cant help, why make jest? . . pele. .odemesue

AND WHEN YOU ARE LISTENING OR BEFORE YOU START LISTENING TO THE LECTURE, #there are so many shubha and so many plain dolal that are exhibited in the lecture.. although jabata answered their dolal with delil. . . .they keep reading series of scholars mistake to support themselves and they even read what is against them without them knowing. . IF YOU ARE NOT FIRM NOR UNDERSTAND ISLAM ACCORDING TO SUNNAH VERY WELL, YOU WILL LOSE YOUR WAY O. . . .#am always ea..just quote me if there is any shubha in your mind after listening to the lecture.. its almost 6 hours all together. .1-4 . . . .# and the ones i cant answer will be refered to sheik and wil provide answers with dalil#444

ShaheedBinAliyu:
Would you then do me the favour of buying me an android phone? perhaps note 4 pro. . .AM SURE YOU AINT CAPABLE TO. . if you cant help, why make jest? . . pele. .odemesue

I dey craze to buy you phone! Wallahi, even if I have the means I won't

Demmzy15:
I dey craze to buy you phone! Wallahi, even if I have the means I won't

Very good, we are getting there. . Why wont you even if you have the means? .. #this guy sha..laughing#

ShaheedBinAliyu:
UMAR DIDNT DO BIDA(taraweeh congregation) . . taraweeh congregational @ ramadan period has proof. . rasul did perform the taraweeh for them in congregational way. . he did it 3 times. . but that taraweeh is performed @ 1/3rd of the night, before dawn. .around 3-5 ..oru ni rasul ki fun w0n n0t after ishai. when people go to m0sque @ oru to perform taraweeh and the perform it separately.UMAR corrected them..that they should perform it in jammah since rasul had performed it in jammah for them. .that 1 person should lead.. do u understand?

Lie! Bring your dalil that rasul called for congregational tarawee?. The people only joined him. If he called for congregation is a different story. He was simply praying and sahaba joined him. That's why they reverted to individual tarawee after nabi (saw) didn't come out the fourth day so that it didn't become obligatory.

S.umar (ra) however did not call for obligatory tarawee on the bases of its precedence. He called for congregational tarawee for the fact that individual prayer was noisy and disarray in the masjid. That's why he called it "good bidah"

Empiree:
Lie! Bring your dalil that rasul called for congregational tarawee?. The people only joined him. If he called for congregation is a different story. He was simply praying and sahaba joined him. That's why they reverted to individual tarawee after nabi (saw) didn't come out the fourth day so that it didn't become obligatory.

S.umar (ra) however did not call for obligatory tarawee on the bases of its precedence. He called for congregational tarawee for the fact that individual prayer was noisy and disarray in the masjid. That's why he called it "good bidah"

SMH

ShaheedBinAliyu:
SMH

good, you have no dalil. This is just tip of iceberg and you have nothing to say. End of discussion

Empiree:
good, you have no dalil. This is just tip of iceberg and you have nothing to say. End of discussion

I don tire for d Salafi plumber guy self, always repeating same statements with no dalil.